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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:33:00 -
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I'm a carebear so blame me if you must. I can take it.
PS. It is a good idea not to post drunk.
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:33:00 -
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I'm a carebear so blame me if you must. I can take it.
PS. It is a good idea not to post drunk.
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Intukaki
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:34:00 -
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 going to have to fly the big boys ships now?
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Intukaki
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:34:00 -
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going to have to fly the big boys ships now?
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:09:00 -
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None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:09:00 -
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None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE.
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Cyberflayer
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:20:00 -
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Yes, because mAd sK1llzorz are so much more important than maturity, the ability to deal with change, or that elusive quality called spelling.
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Real men structure tank.
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U are just being stupid, why shouldnt the mining lvl skill give ya 5% bonus to PRJ guns per lvl?...
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Cyberflayer
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:20:00 -
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Yes, because mAd sK1llzorz are so much more important than maturity, the ability to deal with change, or that elusive quality called spelling.
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Real men structure tank.
Originally by: darth solo
U are just being stupid, why shouldnt the mining lvl skill give ya 5% bonus to PRJ guns per lvl?...
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nukeitall on 17/12/2004 03:40:29
That's just silly!
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nukeitall on 17/12/2004 03:40:29
That's just silly!
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Lumley
I'm a carebear so blame me if you must. I can take it.
PS. It is a good idea not to post drunk.
He's not drunk he is Icelandic or Swedish or **dic something and his English isnt that good so think before you post ok?
As for carebearing What solar are you in
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Lumley
I'm a carebear so blame me if you must. I can take it.
PS. It is a good idea not to post drunk.
He's not drunk he is Icelandic or Swedish or **dic something and his English isnt that good so think before you post ok?
As for carebearing What solar are you in
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator
He's not drunk he is Icelandic or Swedish or **dic something and his English isnt that good so think before you post ok?
As for carebearing What solar are you in
Well if he's either Icelandic or Swedish english shouldn't really be a problem for him. Also I've seen him post before and it wasn't this bad so I'm guessing he's either ****ed off or just ****ed.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator
He's not drunk he is Icelandic or Swedish or **dic something and his English isnt that good so think before you post ok?
As for carebearing What solar are you in
Well if he's either Icelandic or Swedish english shouldn't really be a problem for him. Also I've seen him post before and it wasn't this bad so I'm guessing he's either ****ed off or just ****ed.
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:21:00 -
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IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:21:00 -
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IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
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Trishy Electra
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:48:00 -
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some tips for you.
-step away from the PC.
-go on a vacation for a week.
-return home.
-log back on eve.
-check if you're still ****ed.
-if yes uninstall eve and find another game (Tetris would be your best bet)
-if still ****ed go to the railtrack.
-wait for the train to come.
-lie down and relax coz it will be over soon
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Trishy Electra
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Posted - 2004.12.17 04:48:00 -
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some tips for you.
-step away from the PC.
-go on a vacation for a week.
-return home.
-log back on eve.
-check if you're still ****ed.
-if yes uninstall eve and find another game (Tetris would be your best bet)
-if still ****ed go to the railtrack.
-wait for the train to come.
-lie down and relax coz it will be over soon
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:24:00 -
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i'm getting real tired of people *****ing about these changes. They will work fine once missles are fixed, and you whining is just going to take the game back in the wrong direction.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:24:00 -
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i'm getting real tired of people *****ing about these changes. They will work fine once missles are fixed, and you whining is just going to take the game back in the wrong direction.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:34:00 -
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Zelota your playstyle got nerfed...big deal.
We were all nerfed when frigs and cruisers couldn't fire cruise missiles and the loudest whiners cried their eyes out but frigs still can't use cruise missiles and as a crow pilot I am happy with it.
Adapt or stop playing...Either way, I don't care.
You should have your parents hire a babysitter to lessen your need for attention in Eve...Watching you scream about pointless stuff again and again gets annoying after a while you know.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:34:00 -
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Zelota your playstyle got nerfed...big deal.
We were all nerfed when frigs and cruisers couldn't fire cruise missiles and the loudest whiners cried their eyes out but frigs still can't use cruise missiles and as a crow pilot I am happy with it.
Adapt or stop playing...Either way, I don't care.
You should have your parents hire a babysitter to lessen your need for attention in Eve...Watching you scream about pointless stuff again and again gets annoying after a while you know.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:47:00 -
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ab's work nicely now, and hoorah for not having to run dual mwd and dual webbers to catch the "pvp" types.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:47:00 -
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ab's work nicely now, and hoorah for not having to run dual mwd and dual webbers to catch the "pvp" types.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/12/2004 08:46:21
Well, "uber" speed is no longer an option. For anyone. Learn, adapt, everyone is on the same line here.
I personally love the changes, for lots of reasons. Something needs to be done about (cruise) missiles, though, PvP is suicide right now for a lot of ship classes vs a missile bs.
Added: think of the other side of the coin here for a sec. You're CA, you people love camping gates. These changes will make it easier to catch people at gates, no more dual-MWD setups and stuff like that. Think positive. 
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/12/2004 08:46:21
Well, "uber" speed is no longer an option. For anyone. Learn, adapt, everyone is on the same line here.
I personally love the changes, for lots of reasons. Something needs to be done about (cruise) missiles, though, PvP is suicide right now for a lot of ship classes vs a missile bs.
Added: think of the other side of the coin here for a sec. You're CA, you people love camping gates. These changes will make it easier to catch people at gates, no more dual-MWD setups and stuff like that. Think positive.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:00:00 -
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Actually most of the pvping group in the CA prefer fighting in enemy territorys outnumbered using fast ships to catch the enemy and avoid there big blobs. I rarley sit at a gate for longer then 10 minutes.
I see where zel is coming from thou im also starting to have enough of all the speed nerfs why should everything in this game slow down its less interesting, flying a faster ship thats smaller the the enemy is alot harder opposed to jumping in a bs and taking him head on its just the faster ships are more satisfying. I personaly killed well over 100 bs using a bttleship but then the odd few kills i made using cruisers/elite frigs were so much more satisfying and difficult. Im now being forced to fly a battleship to have a chance at taken on the enemy and fly around in sizeable fleets. Eve pvp shoudlnt have to be based on flying in a fleet or just flying a frigate on ure own just looking for indys. CCP are essentially killing anyones abilty to use strange and new setups we need varience or the game is boring.
In advance i pity anyone who replys on this post just to get a cheap dig at CA most allainces use speed tactics.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:00:00 -
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Actually most of the pvping group in the CA prefer fighting in enemy territorys outnumbered using fast ships to catch the enemy and avoid there big blobs. I rarley sit at a gate for longer then 10 minutes.
I see where zel is coming from thou im also starting to have enough of all the speed nerfs why should everything in this game slow down its less interesting, flying a faster ship thats smaller the the enemy is alot harder opposed to jumping in a bs and taking him head on its just the faster ships are more satisfying. I personaly killed well over 100 bs using a bttleship but then the odd few kills i made using cruisers/elite frigs were so much more satisfying and difficult. Im now being forced to fly a battleship to have a chance at taken on the enemy and fly around in sizeable fleets. Eve pvp shoudlnt have to be based on flying in a fleet or just flying a frigate on ure own just looking for indys. CCP are essentially killing anyones abilty to use strange and new setups we need varience or the game is boring.
In advance i pity anyone who replys on this post just to get a cheap dig at CA most allainces use speed tactics.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:13:00 -
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im sorry but not once have i seen any "carebears" (still a fecking stupid term) complain about people travelling super fast so where u got the idea that it was this group of people that got this nerf through i believe u are wrong
The reason it came and, i believe, was necessary, was cos when fitting any ship bar a BS, it went something like:
"Ok ive got the grid for OAB/MWD or both. Stick them on, make sure i can go as fast as possible. Now thats sorted and cap recharge lets me run it forever, wot offensive stuff can i fit? Crap frig guns? Yeah that'll do, aint gonna matter cos no one is ever gonna hit me with the speed i can travel"
Atleast now you can fit a ship that doesnt involve pure speed and woteva else u can squeeze on it. Once missiles are balanced it will be much better. I agree the propulsion changes should prolly have happened after the missile balance, but im sure the devs are working on them already
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:13:00 -
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im sorry but not once have i seen any "carebears" (still a fecking stupid term) complain about people travelling super fast so where u got the idea that it was this group of people that got this nerf through i believe u are wrong
The reason it came and, i believe, was necessary, was cos when fitting any ship bar a BS, it went something like:
"Ok ive got the grid for OAB/MWD or both. Stick them on, make sure i can go as fast as possible. Now thats sorted and cap recharge lets me run it forever, wot offensive stuff can i fit? Crap frig guns? Yeah that'll do, aint gonna matter cos no one is ever gonna hit me with the speed i can travel"
Atleast now you can fit a ship that doesnt involve pure speed and woteva else u can squeeze on it. Once missiles are balanced it will be much better. I agree the propulsion changes should prolly have happened after the missile balance, but im sure the devs are working on them already
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KristofferTr
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:17:00 -
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I dont like them eihter, however i spent some time
swearing about it and then refitted all of the ship
that used oversized ABs....
I still hate them though
Miner - KristofferTr
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KristofferTr
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:17:00 -
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I dont like them eihter, however i spent some time
swearing about it and then refitted all of the ship
that used oversized ABs....
I still hate them though
Miner - KristofferTr
Fighter - Whitelitch
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:48:00 -
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The best part about these changes is all the ppl who cant adapt get to die
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:48:00 -
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The best part about these changes is all the ppl who cant adapt get to die
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else.
Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now?
(Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap)
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else.
Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now?
(Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap)
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We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
http://www.serenitymovie.com |
Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else.
Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now?
(Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap)
I would love to PvP you.  I'll even use a socalled 'crap' Minmatar BS. Well you will need to wait a couple weeks, not even into mastering those yet.
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else.
Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now?
(Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap)
I would love to PvP you. I'll even use a socalled 'crap' Minmatar BS. Well you will need to wait a couple weeks, not even into mastering those yet.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 -
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Now, the biggest argument against the propulsion changes (as opposed to the argument as to why they were made before missile changes) seems to be the dual ab/mwd cruisers.
Now I admit these changes do mean that cruisers have few roles within PvP, as they are too vulnerable. What I don't understand, is why people think this heavy interceptor setup is what cruisers should be doing. They were being setup as super-fast frigates with additional hit points, extra slots and improved firepower. Last time I looked we already had those - they're called interceptors.
So yes cruisers are pretty useless for PvP right now, but hopefully CCP will get missile changes done asap and work on making them better. Don't, however, start whining that you can no longer use a ship as it was never intended to be used because of a change that has improved the game as a whole.
I'm not going to pretend that these changes have made everything rosy, but they're a step in the right direction.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 -
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Now, the biggest argument against the propulsion changes (as opposed to the argument as to why they were made before missile changes) seems to be the dual ab/mwd cruisers.
Now I admit these changes do mean that cruisers have few roles within PvP, as they are too vulnerable. What I don't understand, is why people think this heavy interceptor setup is what cruisers should be doing. They were being setup as super-fast frigates with additional hit points, extra slots and improved firepower. Last time I looked we already had those - they're called interceptors.
So yes cruisers are pretty useless for PvP right now, but hopefully CCP will get missile changes done asap and work on making them better. Don't, however, start whining that you can no longer use a ship as it was never intended to be used because of a change that has improved the game as a whole.
I'm not going to pretend that these changes have made everything rosy, but they're a step in the right direction.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 -
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Yeah kinda lame this change is 
All of the sudden we have 30+ bs CA fleets running around, and its not fighting those at all :|
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 -
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Yeah kinda lame this change is
All of the sudden we have 30+ bs CA fleets running around, and its not fighting those at all :|
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 17/12/2004 11:19:20
as someone said, the problem wasn't the porpulsion changes, but yesthe timing. If they were implemented along the missile changes, think the things would be a bit better. Still now I have more use to that large stock of now more usefull named 1mn AB's
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 17/12/2004 11:19:20
as someone said, the problem wasn't the porpulsion changes, but yesthe timing. If they were implemented along the missile changes, think the things would be a bit better. Still now I have more use to that large stock of now more usefull named 1mn AB's
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 11:33:08
Originally by: Jorev
None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE.
Can I have your stuff ??
Here's a word of advice, MANY PVP'ers who are far better than Zel realise this change is a good one and was needed.
BS's and Cruisers were NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track.
By all means complain or make valid arguments to support your views if you think something is unbalanced or broken in EVE.
But stating that FIXING the game back to where MWD > AB and ships fly at relative speeds is NOT the fault of carebears. If anything you are not even validly complaining you are flat out whining which makes YOU the carebears
The propulsion changes are good imo, but I agree that missles are the win right now with their ability to ignore sig radius.
And Hellspawn, moving and killing inside nme territory is still a blast. Perhaps now you will realise it requires skilled leadership and pilots as opposed to almost uncatchable ship set ups
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 11:33:08
Originally by: Jorev
None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE.
Can I have your stuff ??
Here's a word of advice, MANY PVP'ers who are far better than Zel realise this change is a good one and was needed.
BS's and Cruisers were NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track.
By all means complain or make valid arguments to support your views if you think something is unbalanced or broken in EVE.
But stating that FIXING the game back to where MWD > AB and ships fly at relative speeds is NOT the fault of carebears. If anything you are not even validly complaining you are flat out whining which makes YOU the carebears
The propulsion changes are good imo, but I agree that missles are the win right now with their ability to ignore sig radius.
And Hellspawn, moving and killing inside nme territory is still a blast. Perhaps now you will realise it requires skilled leadership and pilots as opposed to almost uncatchable ship set ups
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Eonov
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:50:00 -
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Estios, il just highlight a comment from ur post... coz its bone !!!
Ravens (and all the BS's you stuck dual MWD on) and Cruisers are NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track.
Are u suggesting that all battles should be a case of sitting still and slogging it out, ooo thatd be ssooo interesting wouldnt it, are u also then suggesting that turrets that can always track an enemy should then always hit an enemy.. no i doubt u are vcoz noone would want that, some1 has pointed out that interceptors are the fast moving hard hitting ships so there is no need to have juiced up ships like the AB rupture ect, i can only shake my head, AB cruisers were very difficult to fly with very intensive skills reqd to make use of them, they eclipsed what was reqd to fly an inty and dont even get started on how easy it is to get to be able to fly a raven.
The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all this not bog standard ship fittings or the odd shiney named bit of gear.
For those pilots amongst us that live and work in 0.0 space all appreciate that to survive reqrs skills and imagination, the more we take that out of the game the less inovative the whole thing becomes, to the curse alliance guys that were in this post at the start i fully agree with u, where i come from we have our own rats ect to battle and our own badguys to fend off, being able to tinker with ship fittings to come up with somthing really tough and effective was what made the battles that much more fun, certainly more fun the jumping into BS and going head to head in fleets of the things.., anyway thats my 2 cents worth, the irony is that all those peeps that have been saying "tough, deal with it, adapt or leave" prolly miss the point that skill wise and ability wise those that could fly uber ships will be far more able to adapt and more quickly, until some1 comes up with yet another unfair " his ship shouldnt be able to do that complaint" and the whole thing begins again... ce la vie.
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Eonov
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:50:00 -
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Estios, il just highlight a comment from ur post... coz its bone !!!
Ravens (and all the BS's you stuck dual MWD on) and Cruisers are NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track.
Are u suggesting that all battles should be a case of sitting still and slogging it out, ooo thatd be ssooo interesting wouldnt it, are u also then suggesting that turrets that can always track an enemy should then always hit an enemy.. no i doubt u are vcoz noone would want that, some1 has pointed out that interceptors are the fast moving hard hitting ships so there is no need to have juiced up ships like the AB rupture ect, i can only shake my head, AB cruisers were very difficult to fly with very intensive skills reqd to make use of them, they eclipsed what was reqd to fly an inty and dont even get started on how easy it is to get to be able to fly a raven.
The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all this not bog standard ship fittings or the odd shiney named bit of gear.
For those pilots amongst us that live and work in 0.0 space all appreciate that to survive reqrs skills and imagination, the more we take that out of the game the less inovative the whole thing becomes, to the curse alliance guys that were in this post at the start i fully agree with u, where i come from we have our own rats ect to battle and our own badguys to fend off, being able to tinker with ship fittings to come up with somthing really tough and effective was what made the battles that much more fun, certainly more fun the jumping into BS and going head to head in fleets of the things.., anyway thats my 2 cents worth, the irony is that all those peeps that have been saying "tough, deal with it, adapt or leave" prolly miss the point that skill wise and ability wise those that could fly uber ships will be far more able to adapt and more quickly, until some1 comes up with yet another unfair " his ship shouldnt be able to do that complaint" and the whole thing begins again... ce la vie.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
No, ppl like you ruin the game. nuff said.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
No, ppl like you ruin the game. nuff said.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:57:00 -
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I get the feeling its mostly the devs that didn't like the way propulsion was going (I mean why differentiate ships by 10m/s if everyone goes 2km/s ?) Theyre on record as saying MWD was intended purely to make long journeys/moving about quicker and not to effect combat, these days of course its probably the most fitted module, stacking it with crazy oversized AB's only amplified that problem.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:57:00 -
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I get the feeling its mostly the devs that didn't like the way propulsion was going (I mean why differentiate ships by 10m/s if everyone goes 2km/s ?) Theyre on record as saying MWD was intended purely to make long journeys/moving about quicker and not to effect combat, these days of course its probably the most fitted module, stacking it with crazy oversized AB's only amplified that problem.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 12:14:15
First of all I have no idea what bone means ?? sounds kinda ghey
Second, NO I dont think all battles should be stand still and slug. Ive been in thousands of PVP encounters and sometimes they've been 100km BS slug fests and other times they've been a group of smaller ships going at it at breakneck speeds and warping in and out. And it still will be, the speed change is relative to everyone
You seem to fail to understand anything about game balance and this comment here is laughable:
"The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all"
Yes, fitting two MWD's to a Raven was 'elite'. Choosing to fit 2 100mn AB's to your Cruiser and only being able to fit frigate guns was such a 'sacrifice' .
Fitting 2 oversized AB's to a cruiser is NOT balanced. It gave you a ship which hit as hard as any frigate ( no bonus but more slots) and travelled faster than any missle could go, any ship could catch, any turret could track AND was cheaper than a ceptor AND had more hit points.
Shooting down your lame arguments is pretty easy tbh.
I crave balance and fairness in this game and of course skill points should matter but there should NOT be one set up for the win.
I could sit down right now and list why this change was for the benefit of EVE but alas I think it would be lost on you because its clear you want your relatively invincible 'elite' speed set ups back which meant you could travel and fight with relatively little actual player skill as your set up kept you safe.
Post patch if I want to zoom around at 4km/s tackling BS's in PVP will still fly an Interceptor with an MWD as I always have done.
If I want to fight npc's or deadspace or whatever it seems some people want to use this ship for I would use a frigate sized AB.
If I want to go out and kill support ships ie frigates and other cruisers I will still fly a cruiser or Muninn or Wolf as I always have done.
If you cannot still use a group of frigs or cruisers to kill BS's or other frigs and cruisers then its not your ingame skill points which are lacking, its you actual player skill
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 12:14:15
First of all I have no idea what bone means ?? sounds kinda ghey
Second, NO I dont think all battles should be stand still and slug. Ive been in thousands of PVP encounters and sometimes they've been 100km BS slug fests and other times they've been a group of smaller ships going at it at breakneck speeds and warping in and out. And it still will be, the speed change is relative to everyone
You seem to fail to understand anything about game balance and this comment here is laughable:
"The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all"
Yes, fitting two MWD's to a Raven was 'elite'. Choosing to fit 2 100mn AB's to your Cruiser and only being able to fit frigate guns was such a 'sacrifice' .
Fitting 2 oversized AB's to a cruiser is NOT balanced. It gave you a ship which hit as hard as any frigate ( no bonus but more slots) and travelled faster than any missle could go, any ship could catch, any turret could track AND was cheaper than a ceptor AND had more hit points.
Shooting down your lame arguments is pretty easy tbh.
I crave balance and fairness in this game and of course skill points should matter but there should NOT be one set up for the win.
I could sit down right now and list why this change was for the benefit of EVE but alas I think it would be lost on you because its clear you want your relatively invincible 'elite' speed set ups back which meant you could travel and fight with relatively little actual player skill as your set up kept you safe.
Post patch if I want to zoom around at 4km/s tackling BS's in PVP will still fly an Interceptor with an MWD as I always have done.
If I want to fight npc's or deadspace or whatever it seems some people want to use this ship for I would use a frigate sized AB.
If I want to go out and kill support ships ie frigates and other cruisers I will still fly a cruiser or Muninn or Wolf as I always have done.
If you cannot still use a group of frigs or cruisers to kill BS's or other frigs and cruisers then its not your ingame skill points which are lacking, its you actual player skill
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eonov
so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot
If the pilot is so elite, then why can't he take out that n00b inty with his own inty ? Seems to me he either ain't so leet, or he chose to fly the dual ab rupture because it was better.
If a cruiser is better at intercepting than an interceptor, then something is very, very wrong. CCP knows this, anyone who can see beyond the ship they're flying right now can see this. That's why it got fixed.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eonov
so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot
If the pilot is so elite, then why can't he take out that n00b inty with his own inty ? Seems to me he either ain't so leet, or he chose to fly the dual ab rupture because it was better.
If a cruiser is better at intercepting than an interceptor, then something is very, very wrong. CCP knows this, anyone who can see beyond the ship they're flying right now can see this. That's why it got fixed.
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demonic possession
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:31:00 -
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And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens... |
demonic possession
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:31:00 -
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And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens... |
Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: demonic possession
And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...
It's not like us Gallente are exactly swimming in missile ships, either 
Patience, missiles will get balanced, probably sooner than later. Then you can read all the 327 threads from Raven pilots screaming about how their ex-uber ships are now "useless" and how they are quitting the game to go play Tetris. Or something.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: demonic possession
And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...
It's not like us Gallente are exactly swimming in missile ships, either
Patience, missiles will get balanced, probably sooner than later. Then you can read all the 327 threads from Raven pilots screaming about how their ex-uber ships are now "useless" and how they are quitting the game to go play Tetris. Or something.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: demonic possession
And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...
Well the propulsion changes do give us Amarr at least a CHANCE to hit now  Trying to track a superspeed setup previously was the next thing to impossible.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: demonic possession
And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...
Well the propulsion changes do give us Amarr at least a CHANCE to hit now Trying to track a superspeed setup previously was the next thing to impossible.
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
ITS like theyd NERF mining so you could not make money with mining any more HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!! no more 1.0 mining huh?See how you can do with your game stile deleted
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
ITS like theyd NERF mining so you could not make money with mining any more HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!! no more 1.0 mining huh?See how you can do with your game stile deleted
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.
When did we have 16k+ people playing at once ?
Originally by: Zelota
I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
No, whining on the forums didn't get deleted.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.
When did we have 16k+ people playing at once ?
Originally by: Zelota
I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
No, whining on the forums didn't get deleted.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
You're talking about people not being able to deal with things, yet you cant deal with change without crying your heart out.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
You're talking about people not being able to deal with things, yet you cant deal with change without crying your heart out.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 17/12/2004 15:03:41
I dont see what the problem is.
Oversized ABs were overpowered. They made cruisers invincible. Yeah I used one, and I "pwned" everyone i came across, but it wasnt a balanced setup. Nerfing it was the best thing to do.
If you're such a skilled pilot, you should be able to adapt to changes without blowing a fuse over one nerf. If you cant, well, it wasnt the skill at all, it was just the unbalanced setup that made you "l33t"
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 17/12/2004 15:03:41
I dont see what the problem is.
Oversized ABs were overpowered. They made cruisers invincible. Yeah I used one, and I "pwned" everyone i came across, but it wasnt a balanced setup. Nerfing it was the best thing to do.
If you're such a skilled pilot, you should be able to adapt to changes without blowing a fuse over one nerf. If you cant, well, it wasnt the skill at all, it was just the unbalanced setup that made you "l33t"
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
I'm afraid you're losing credibility here, and fast.
So you "can't play" because your "play style" has been removed? Would this be the "fly around with multi-ab cruisers that nothing can hit" playstyle? Or the "oversize-ab Crow that nothing can hit" playstyle? Or some other "...that nothing can hit" playstyle?
Utter drivel.
They fixed a broken game mechanic. If you've depended on that to survive, then maybe you're not the hot pilot you think you are. If you actually are a good pilot you'll adapt and find a setup that works with the new rules. If not, well...
Bye.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
I'm afraid you're losing credibility here, and fast.
So you "can't play" because your "play style" has been removed? Would this be the "fly around with multi-ab cruisers that nothing can hit" playstyle? Or the "oversize-ab Crow that nothing can hit" playstyle? Or some other "...that nothing can hit" playstyle?
Utter drivel.
They fixed a broken game mechanic. If you've depended on that to survive, then maybe you're not the hot pilot you think you are. If you actually are a good pilot you'll adapt and find a setup that works with the new rules. If not, well...
Bye.
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RL Malcontent
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:29:00 -
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It's more than laughable that "carebears" are being blamed for ANY of the changes/nerfs in Eve as of late. Without a fail anytime you go into a thread with people begging for one nerf or another it's FILLED with PVP'ers leading the charge. mOo, CA players, etc. are without a doubt the ones that instigate these nerfs. You see what you fail to understand Zelota is that "carebears" don't give a crap about your PVP needs and wish lists. NPCs NEVER cry about the tactics used to kill and/or evade them. The only thing any nerf accomplishes for a "carebear" is to make the game slower and more tedious. I highly doubt if you will find five real "carebears" that will say they like deadspace, propulsion nerfs, missile nerfs, or any of the changes that YOU PVP'ers have been pushing. So if you want to find someone to blame for all these stupid changes as of late and still to come look towards the PVP'ers because the only real nerf "carebears" want are 300km sentry guns around gates in .1 to .4 space so all you gate gankers can't sit there at 180km in your long range Apocs destroying our frigate loads frozen food for our agents. "Carebears" bring on the nerfs, whatever...
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RL Malcontent
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:29:00 -
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It's more than laughable that "carebears" are being blamed for ANY of the changes/nerfs in Eve as of late. Without a fail anytime you go into a thread with people begging for one nerf or another it's FILLED with PVP'ers leading the charge. mOo, CA players, etc. are without a doubt the ones that instigate these nerfs. You see what you fail to understand Zelota is that "carebears" don't give a crap about your PVP needs and wish lists. NPCs NEVER cry about the tactics used to kill and/or evade them. The only thing any nerf accomplishes for a "carebear" is to make the game slower and more tedious. I highly doubt if you will find five real "carebears" that will say they like deadspace, propulsion nerfs, missile nerfs, or any of the changes that YOU PVP'ers have been pushing. So if you want to find someone to blame for all these stupid changes as of late and still to come look towards the PVP'ers because the only real nerf "carebears" want are 300km sentry guns around gates in .1 to .4 space so all you gate gankers can't sit there at 180km in your long range Apocs destroying our frigate loads frozen food for our agents. "Carebears" bring on the nerfs, whatever...
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:53:00 -
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BTW, just my 2 cents on the matter, I feel your pain Zelota, I really do, and I saide with you on this one. Now for all you ****heads who wanna giggle at his spelling, how about, English isnt his first language, Im sure that you all would have trouble writing in his native language. so stfu. Zelota, keep on trucking bro, keep on trucking.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:53:00 -
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BTW, just my 2 cents on the matter, I feel your pain Zelota, I really do, and I saide with you on this one. Now for all you ****heads who wanna giggle at his spelling, how about, English isnt his first language, Im sure that you all would have trouble writing in his native language. so stfu. Zelota, keep on trucking bro, keep on trucking.
Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is. |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
BTW, just my 2 cents on the matter, I feel your pain Zelota, I really do, and I saide with you on this one. Now for all you ****heads who wanna giggle at his spelling, how about, English isnt his first language, Im sure that you all would have trouble writing in his native language. so stfu. Zelota, keep on trucking bro, keep on trucking.
They arent giggling about his spelling, they are giggling at the fact that he's a ******* moron.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
BTW, just my 2 cents on the matter, I feel your pain Zelota, I really do, and I saide with you on this one. Now for all you ****heads who wanna giggle at his spelling, how about, English isnt his first language, Im sure that you all would have trouble writing in his native language. so stfu. Zelota, keep on trucking bro, keep on trucking.
They arent giggling about his spelling, they are giggling at the fact that he's a ******* moron.
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WelshFox
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:33:00 -
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In all fairness, mwd/ab really just sucks. It meant you could fly round and gank anything you wanted and never have to worry about stabs.
It wasn't pvp, it was gank.
As for carebear this carebear that. Kill them all and you'll soon realise you have no isk/ships/mods (don't say the corp will get them, unless VotF has its own carebears? surely not.)
Thx.
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WelshFox
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:33:00 -
[82]
In all fairness, mwd/ab really just sucks. It meant you could fly round and gank anything you wanted and never have to worry about stabs.
It wasn't pvp, it was gank.
As for carebear this carebear that. Kill them all and you'll soon realise you have no isk/ships/mods (don't say the corp will get them, unless VotF has its own carebears? surely not.)
Thx.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
I just realized your whole post is one big pathetic whine. Whining about whiners. Thats novel.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:50:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
I just realized your whole post is one big pathetic whine. Whining about whiners. Thats novel.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:56:00 -
[85]
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 17/12/2004 18:02:29
viceroy stole my answer.
A particular type of ship doesn't make a pilot great. Being able to fly/fight well in *any* type of ship makes a pilot great.
Anyone who thought they were great because of an OAB frig/cruiser was deluding themselves.
edited: before the typo police confiscate my keyboard.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.17 17:56:00 -
[86]
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 17/12/2004 18:02:29
viceroy stole my answer.
A particular type of ship doesn't make a pilot great. Being able to fly/fight well in *any* type of ship makes a pilot great.
Anyone who thought they were great because of an OAB frig/cruiser was deluding themselves.
edited: before the typo police confiscate my keyboard.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:02:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
I guess it¦s the usual whine of the month, when some bandwagon thing is being nerfed?
You can change to a Raven for a while if you still want some uber solo ship. But thats gonna get hot with the nerfbat too.
Try and adjust like everyone WITH real skill does. Unless crying about some ****poor crap. I have, along with the first other pirates been nerfed more times than you have killed people. This game is alot less carebearish than it ever was before. (Cept that time where we killed everything in 1.0 space ;)
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Shintai
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:02:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
I guess it¦s the usual whine of the month, when some bandwagon thing is being nerfed?
You can change to a Raven for a while if you still want some uber solo ship. But thats gonna get hot with the nerfbat too.
Try and adjust like everyone WITH real skill does. Unless crying about some ****poor crap. I have, along with the first other pirates been nerfed more times than you have killed people. This game is alot less carebearish than it ever was before. (Cept that time where we killed everything in 1.0 space ;)
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:13:00 -
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WelshFox:
Unless you meet another fast running (battle)cruiser.
Then, it was a fight.
Before, crusers had a role.
Now, cruisers are just BS for the ppoor guys. I mean, there is absolutly no ******* chance to win against BS.
some dumbf*** cryied that MWD was no-brianer module.
so how will ya call NOS equipped BS now?
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:13:00 -
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WelshFox:
Unless you meet another fast running (battle)cruiser.
Then, it was a fight.
Before, crusers had a role.
Now, cruisers are just BS for the ppoor guys. I mean, there is absolutly no ******* chance to win against BS.
some dumbf*** cryied that MWD was no-brianer module.
so how will ya call NOS equipped BS now?
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:20:00 -
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Viceroy:
If I read you correctly, switching to geddon will be a sign of great skill and expereince?
I'm ****ed bacuse era of fast moving ships is gone now.
You would think that extreme popularity of fast vessels (frigs, ceptors, cruisers) suggest CCP a thing... I guess not.
Welcome to the total blob-campage era everybody!!!
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:20:00 -
[92]
Viceroy:
If I read you correctly, switching to geddon will be a sign of great skill and expereince?
I'm ****ed bacuse era of fast moving ships is gone now.
You would think that extreme popularity of fast vessels (frigs, ceptors, cruisers) suggest CCP a thing... I guess not.
Welcome to the total blob-campage era everybody!!!
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:29:00 -
[93]
What would you have said if CCP had just buffed guns and missiles instead of nerfing propulsion?
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:29:00 -
[94]
What would you have said if CCP had just buffed guns and missiles instead of nerfing propulsion?
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Eonov
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:40:00 -
[95]
Estios are u an anally retentive child who still needs his parents to check his backside after hes been to the loo or are u always that hostile when some1 dares to make comment on somthing uv written, PS: bone= stupid... stupid, it seems u must have missed the closing point at the end of my post and in not paying proper attention as to what was said missed the point (byw, it wasnt an attack on u so chill, take a load off).
No matter what happens with any of these nerfings the outcome will always be the same, those with particular skills will always be able to push thier set ups that bit further, just because fitting abiltys are changed, well hey, theyve changed for every1 so every1 is back in the same posn.
And please please stop going on about chasing big ships down in intys, intys atm have to be the most ridiculas waste of money there is, there cost far exceeds what they can be insured for, they are uncompramising to fit and are usually the first ships to go down in any major engagements meaing uv just sunk a huge amount of cash into not a lot.As i said before im not loosing a great deal of sleep over the changes (already adapted :) ), but it does now hand the whole combat thing back to the missle spammers, until the next loop hole is found.
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Eonov
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:40:00 -
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Estios are u an anally retentive child who still needs his parents to check his backside after hes been to the loo or are u always that hostile when some1 dares to make comment on somthing uv written, PS: bone= stupid... stupid, it seems u must have missed the closing point at the end of my post and in not paying proper attention as to what was said missed the point (byw, it wasnt an attack on u so chill, take a load off).
No matter what happens with any of these nerfings the outcome will always be the same, those with particular skills will always be able to push thier set ups that bit further, just because fitting abiltys are changed, well hey, theyve changed for every1 so every1 is back in the same posn.
And please please stop going on about chasing big ships down in intys, intys atm have to be the most ridiculas waste of money there is, there cost far exceeds what they can be insured for, they are uncompramising to fit and are usually the first ships to go down in any major engagements meaing uv just sunk a huge amount of cash into not a lot.As i said before im not loosing a great deal of sleep over the changes (already adapted :) ), but it does now hand the whole combat thing back to the missle spammers, until the next loop hole is found.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:53:00 -
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When you consider yourself a PvPer then it should not really matter what you use to PvP. If you use OABs to PvP and cannot adapt then you are a OABer and not necessarily PvPer. As long as you do not consider yourself a PvPer then you can complain about nerfing specific things.
Its not a flame. Its more of an attempt to point out a more realistic point of view I think.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:53:00 -
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When you consider yourself a PvPer then it should not really matter what you use to PvP. If you use OABs to PvP and cannot adapt then you are a OABer and not necessarily PvPer. As long as you do not consider yourself a PvPer then you can complain about nerfing specific things.
Its not a flame. Its more of an attempt to point out a more realistic point of view I think.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:04:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
Guys that brag the most usually have the least. 
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:04:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Zelota
IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell!
Guys that brag the most usually have the least.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:25:00 -
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Propulsion changes don't hurt PvP as much. It just makes Caldari that much more better and who cares because the Amarrians were that much better before. Again PvP who cares. Its PvE that is suffering with these unchecked unbalanced changes. NPCs are still fast as hell. It is atleast 4 times more dangerous to do 0.0 OR cruiser deadspaces. Its all about Risk vs Reward and atm it just plain sucks. I make more money mining in 30 minutes than I do 4 hours of deadspace fighting. Does that seem right? Talk about skill points and maturity... I have both and I still say keeping the changes as they are is ruining the game for 70% of the players. Even our CEO with 24+ mil SP is considering quitting the game soley because of lack of FUN. PvP isn't fun... its the same as it was back in November 2003 except configs have changed. PvE is what keeps changing and its to the point there is no money in it because of once easy spawns are now uber spawns. Easy complexes are now uber complexes. I mean... if you keep it this way make it worth my time.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:25:00 -
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Propulsion changes don't hurt PvP as much. It just makes Caldari that much more better and who cares because the Amarrians were that much better before. Again PvP who cares. Its PvE that is suffering with these unchecked unbalanced changes. NPCs are still fast as hell. It is atleast 4 times more dangerous to do 0.0 OR cruiser deadspaces. Its all about Risk vs Reward and atm it just plain sucks. I make more money mining in 30 minutes than I do 4 hours of deadspace fighting. Does that seem right? Talk about skill points and maturity... I have both and I still say keeping the changes as they are is ruining the game for 70% of the players. Even our CEO with 24+ mil SP is considering quitting the game soley because of lack of FUN. PvP isn't fun... its the same as it was back in November 2003 except configs have changed. PvE is what keeps changing and its to the point there is no money in it because of once easy spawns are now uber spawns. Easy complexes are now uber complexes. I mean... if you keep it this way make it worth my time.
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:15:00 -
[103]
Rthor:
Noo, because it's about fun, not just whacking others.
hit&run tactics, fast raids into enemy territories, solo fighting - with proplusion changes it's all gone.
That suidicidial CCP dendence is quite funny: their servers can't even run 30v30 battles, yet they do everything to promote blob wars (nerfing mobility now, adding tarded POS and complexes).
wihc is especially sad, as EVE have great possibilities to incorporate semi-instancing for PvP:(
A bit OT:
I just finished 3h run of reviewing all other MMORPGs I came to simple conclusion (you can call it Pelias' Law): Working in mmo industry rots your brain. (the only exception seems to be Guild Wars, but it's not really a mmorpg).
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:15:00 -
[104]
Rthor:
Noo, because it's about fun, not just whacking others.
hit&run tactics, fast raids into enemy territories, solo fighting - with proplusion changes it's all gone.
That suidicidial CCP dendence is quite funny: their servers can't even run 30v30 battles, yet they do everything to promote blob wars (nerfing mobility now, adding tarded POS and complexes).
wihc is especially sad, as EVE have great possibilities to incorporate semi-instancing for PvP:(
A bit OT:
I just finished 3h run of reviewing all other MMORPGs I came to simple conclusion (you can call it Pelias' Law): Working in mmo industry rots your brain. (the only exception seems to be Guild Wars, but it's not really a mmorpg).
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:22:00 -
[105]
Edited by: fairimear on 17/12/2004 22:35:24
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
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(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:22:00 -
[106]
Edited by: fairimear on 17/12/2004 22:35:24
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:25:00 -
[107]
Zelota,
I would just like to point out that people sitting in empire mining veldspar don't cause nerfs to AB and MWD. How can they? They are just sitting there mining at 0 m/s.
It's the people who abused these modules for PvP/PvE reasons that eventually got them nerfed.
You can't blame carebears for changes in combat modules because by definition *real* carebears don't do combat. The very idea is silly.
If you feel the need to blame someone, blame those who posted their vids of them 2xABing around in Cs/BCs and being untouchable while dealing out damage. You know, the ones who more resemble you and your play style.
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:25:00 -
[108]
Zelota,
I would just like to point out that people sitting in empire mining veldspar don't cause nerfs to AB and MWD. How can they? They are just sitting there mining at 0 m/s.
It's the people who abused these modules for PvP/PvE reasons that eventually got them nerfed.
You can't blame carebears for changes in combat modules because by definition *real* carebears don't do combat. The very idea is silly.
If you feel the need to blame someone, blame those who posted their vids of them 2xABing around in Cs/BCs and being untouchable while dealing out damage. You know, the ones who more resemble you and your play style.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:28:00 -
[109]
What Estios has said.
Did ANYONE really think that MWD/AB wouldn't get changed?
Know the history and you'll now more of the future...
History time!
* In the beginning, MWDs could be fitted easily on cruisers (frigates too?). This made MWD 100% necessary. EVERYONE used MWD on their ships, and it was NOT fun. You could as well have taken away one medslot and increased the maxspeed on all ships.
* To get hold of the situation, a 'big' penalty was introduced on MWDs. However, it wasn't big enough...
* The fitting reqs on MWDs were upped ALOT. In reality only battleships could fit MWD.
* Since battleships weren't meant to be faster than frigates, class-based MWD/AB were introduced. Too bad they didn't stop people from fitting overclassed ABs. Cause now you could fit a bigger AB and escape the MWD-penalty.
* Tracking problems introduced another penalty on MWD, the sig.radius. And this made the 'use-AB-instead-of-MWD'-problem even bigger.
So, WHO didn't understand that this change was comming?
BTW, the argument that frigs/cr was easily countered with energi modules on battleships doesn't really work... Because:
* It's WAY to easy for frigs/cruisers to enter 'god-mode' by simply using some overpowered sensor dampeners. It's truely rediculos that any ship can jam a battleship without problem. (yea, I'm a bit ****ed of that because that's how CA finally got my 'thron(with 2 BS shooting me, some frigs scrambling me, and then an effin' Rupture dampening me so I couldn't target the frigs ))
* IMO, a frigate shouldn't be able to scramble/web a battleship this easy. Is it realistic that an Ibis can reduce my battleship's speed with 90%??? But well, I guess it's still good for the game mechanics.
* The drone changes pretty much removed a battleship's #1 anti-frig weapon.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 22:28:00 -
[110]
What Estios has said.
Did ANYONE really think that MWD/AB wouldn't get changed?
Know the history and you'll now more of the future...
History time!
* In the beginning, MWDs could be fitted easily on cruisers (frigates too?). This made MWD 100% necessary. EVERYONE used MWD on their ships, and it was NOT fun. You could as well have taken away one medslot and increased the maxspeed on all ships.
* To get hold of the situation, a 'big' penalty was introduced on MWDs. However, it wasn't big enough...
* The fitting reqs on MWDs were upped ALOT. In reality only battleships could fit MWD.
* Since battleships weren't meant to be faster than frigates, class-based MWD/AB were introduced. Too bad they didn't stop people from fitting overclassed ABs. Cause now you could fit a bigger AB and escape the MWD-penalty.
* Tracking problems introduced another penalty on MWD, the sig.radius. And this made the 'use-AB-instead-of-MWD'-problem even bigger.
So, WHO didn't understand that this change was comming?
BTW, the argument that frigs/cr was easily countered with energi modules on battleships doesn't really work... Because:
* It's WAY to easy for frigs/cruisers to enter 'god-mode' by simply using some overpowered sensor dampeners. It's truely rediculos that any ship can jam a battleship without problem. (yea, I'm a bit ****ed of that because that's how CA finally got my 'thron(with 2 BS shooting me, some frigs scrambling me, and then an effin' Rupture dampening me so I couldn't target the frigs))
* IMO, a frigate shouldn't be able to scramble/web a battleship this easy. Is it realistic that an Ibis can reduce my battleship's speed with 90%??? But well, I guess it's still good for the game mechanics.
* The drone changes pretty much removed a battleship's #1 anti-frig weapon.
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:08:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
ITS like theyd NERF mining so you could not make money with mining any more HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!! no more 1.0 mining huh?See how you can do with your game stile deleted
dual fitting was always **** and unfair. using a webber onto it was .... the changes are the best CCP ever did for the PVP. YOU and your comrats are the reason why CCP fixed it. at the beginning the dual MWD ravens fitted with torps, now the MWD+AB fitting. get real
0.0 without any tactics is bull****. but, as you write here, you are not flexible. the funny thing is, the same whining posting would have been done when the missile speed had been increased to the topspeed of this unfair dual cruiser fittings.
when i remember the old talks from CA about CC was using dual MWD fitting at the beginning and CA wrote all the forums full with thread to fix that ...... I can only say, CCP did it.
so, don`t write any cards.
bye bye !!! eve will continue without all you unflexible "uber" PVP skilled people.
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:08:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
ITS like theyd NERF mining so you could not make money with mining any more HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!! no more 1.0 mining huh?See how you can do with your game stile deleted
dual fitting was always **** and unfair. using a webber onto it was .... the changes are the best CCP ever did for the PVP. YOU and your comrats are the reason why CCP fixed it. at the beginning the dual MWD ravens fitted with torps, now the MWD+AB fitting. get real
0.0 without any tactics is bull****. but, as you write here, you are not flexible. the funny thing is, the same whining posting would have been done when the missile speed had been increased to the topspeed of this unfair dual cruiser fittings.
when i remember the old talks from CA about CC was using dual MWD fitting at the beginning and CA wrote all the forums full with thread to fix that ...... I can only say, CCP did it.
so, don`t write any cards.
bye bye !!! eve will continue without all you unflexible "uber" PVP skilled people.
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:32:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Pelias
Rthor:
Noo, because it's about fun, not just whacking others.
hit&run tactics, fast raids into enemy territories, solo fighting - with proplusion changes it's all gone.
That suidicidial CCP dendence is quite funny: their servers can't even run 30v30 battles, yet they do everything to promote blob wars (nerfing mobility now, adding tarded POS and complexes).
wihc is especially sad, as EVE have great possibilities to incorporate semi-instancing for PvP:(
A bit OT:
I just finished 3h run of reviewing all other MMORPGs I came to simple conclusion (you can call it Pelias' Law): Working in mmo industry rots your brain. (the only exception seems to be Guild Wars, but it's not really a mmorpg).
hit&run
normally done with bookmarks or autopilot. good add on is a covert op
fast raids
you really did fast raids into enemy territories with a dual fitting ? great, seems you needed it to jump from gate to gate ?
no, because there is only one moment in the complete raid were you need your dual fitting, during combat. the rest of the raid is using bookmarks or tipping on the belt bookmarks, gangwarp, warp to member.
solo fighting
this is the point what pvp is, the better one wins the fight. both sides have the same chances because both side have the same limitations in fitting their ships.
the complains that somebody cant fight bigger ships with cruisers is lame and complete wrong. a raven is still dead when it hits a small frig/cruiser combatgroup that involves ECM ships.
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 01:32:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Pelias
Rthor:
Noo, because it's about fun, not just whacking others.
hit&run tactics, fast raids into enemy territories, solo fighting - with proplusion changes it's all gone.
That suidicidial CCP dendence is quite funny: their servers can't even run 30v30 battles, yet they do everything to promote blob wars (nerfing mobility now, adding tarded POS and complexes).
wihc is especially sad, as EVE have great possibilities to incorporate semi-instancing for PvP:(
A bit OT:
I just finished 3h run of reviewing all other MMORPGs I came to simple conclusion (you can call it Pelias' Law): Working in mmo industry rots your brain. (the only exception seems to be Guild Wars, but it's not really a mmorpg).
hit&run
normally done with bookmarks or autopilot. good add on is a covert op
fast raids
you really did fast raids into enemy territories with a dual fitting ? great, seems you needed it to jump from gate to gate ?
no, because there is only one moment in the complete raid were you need your dual fitting, during combat. the rest of the raid is using bookmarks or tipping on the belt bookmarks, gangwarp, warp to member.
solo fighting
this is the point what pvp is, the better one wins the fight. both sides have the same chances because both side have the same limitations in fitting their ships.
the complains that somebody cant fight bigger ships with cruisers is lame and complete wrong. a raven is still dead when it hits a small frig/cruiser combatgroup that involves ECM ships.
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Psychomar
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:34:00 -
[115]
Quote:
"WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play."
I still see 10k plus people everytime I log on. Gee I must be playing another game!
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Psychomar
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:34:00 -
[116]
Quote:
"WELL if you pay any atention to how meny people log in to the game you might notice that 25% of eve dosent play any more.ALOOT of people are leaving the game now caus of all this.I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play."
I still see 10k plus people everytime I log on. Gee I must be playing another game!
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2004.12.18 07:26:00 -
[117]
He's whining that his exploitative "play style" was nerfed?
As long as "griefer" is still a valid "play style," then I encourage CCP to swing the nerf bat at anything they please.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2004.12.18 07:26:00 -
[118]
He's whining that his exploitative "play style" was nerfed?
As long as "griefer" is still a valid "play style," then I encourage CCP to swing the nerf bat at anything they please.
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Erloas
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Posted - 2004.12.18 08:18:00 -
[119]
I haven't been playing that long, but just from a 'fluff' (warhammer term, not sure where else its used) so the game makes at least a little sense sort of way. Combining ABs and MWDs didn't make any sense at all. They are 2 completely different types of propulsion and adding the two together would probably mean one or both wouldn't work right, and probably just blow up the ship. And really an oversized AB just simply would no work on a ship that is 1/10 the size that it was designed for.
as for game balance, I haven't done much for PvP yet, but it seems fairly obvious that MWDs and OAB were not balanced. If you can take any one thing and find that 99% of succesful ship setups use it then it is clear that the setup is what is the deciding factor and that the player and all his 'uber elite skills' and ability to play and understand the game mean absolutely nothing (apart just from being able to equip the items, which is character skills not player skills)
BALANCE would mean that any reasonable setup that uses what you have availible would have a reasonable chance at winning. IF a player can sets his ship up for high speed, for more offensive power (turrets or missiles), for more defensive power, or for more utility, or a balance between offense, defense and speed; then all setups should have an equal chance at winning.
considering that this is not the case, it is clear that the game isn't balanced. because in order to have a chance to win you were required to take 1 of 2-3 very similar setups and use it.
its funny how the players saying the want variety are the same ones saying this change hurts them so much and we should go back to the way it was before when your only choice was speed or death.
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Erloas
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Posted - 2004.12.18 08:18:00 -
[120]
I haven't been playing that long, but just from a 'fluff' (warhammer term, not sure where else its used) so the game makes at least a little sense sort of way. Combining ABs and MWDs didn't make any sense at all. They are 2 completely different types of propulsion and adding the two together would probably mean one or both wouldn't work right, and probably just blow up the ship. And really an oversized AB just simply would no work on a ship that is 1/10 the size that it was designed for.
as for game balance, I haven't done much for PvP yet, but it seems fairly obvious that MWDs and OAB were not balanced. If you can take any one thing and find that 99% of succesful ship setups use it then it is clear that the setup is what is the deciding factor and that the player and all his 'uber elite skills' and ability to play and understand the game mean absolutely nothing (apart just from being able to equip the items, which is character skills not player skills)
BALANCE would mean that any reasonable setup that uses what you have availible would have a reasonable chance at winning. IF a player can sets his ship up for high speed, for more offensive power (turrets or missiles), for more defensive power, or for more utility, or a balance between offense, defense and speed; then all setups should have an equal chance at winning.
considering that this is not the case, it is clear that the game isn't balanced. because in order to have a chance to win you were required to take 1 of 2-3 very similar setups and use it.
its funny how the players saying the want variety are the same ones saying this change hurts them so much and we should go back to the way it was before when your only choice was speed or death.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.18 08:26:00 -
[121]
buhu my ship is slow and i cant run away now, buhu what am i supposed to put in this mid slot? buhu now i actually have to fight people that i dont want to. buhu i cant run away anymore. buhu. buhu its all the carebears fault. buhu ccp we dont pay you to design the game, we pay you so that we can do what we want in your buhu game. buhu.
ps. buhu
pps. buhu
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.18 08:26:00 -
[122]
buhu my ship is slow and i cant run away now, buhu what am i supposed to put in this mid slot? buhu now i actually have to fight people that i dont want to. buhu i cant run away anymore. buhu. buhu its all the carebears fault. buhu ccp we dont pay you to design the game, we pay you so that we can do what we want in your buhu game. buhu.
ps. buhu
pps. buhu
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.18 10:17:00 -
[123]
Carebears are anyone who whines to get what they want.
So the topic starter is by definition a Carebear.
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Jennifer Danz
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Posted - 2004.12.18 10:17:00 -
[124]
Carebears are anyone who whines to get what they want.
So the topic starter is by definition a Carebear.
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Melinwe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 12:07:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Trishy Electra
some tips for you.
-step away from the PC.
-go on a vacation for a week.
-return home.
-log back on eve.
-check if you're still ****ed.
-if yes uninstall eve and find another game (Tetris would be your best bet)
-if still ****ed go to the railtrack.
-wait for the train to come.
-lie down and relax coz it will be over soon
Sound advice.
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Melinwe
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Posted - 2004.12.18 12:07:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Trishy Electra
some tips for you.
-step away from the PC.
-go on a vacation for a week.
-return home.
-log back on eve.
-check if you're still ****ed.
-if yes uninstall eve and find another game (Tetris would be your best bet)
-if still ****ed go to the railtrack.
-wait for the train to come.
-lie down and relax coz it will be over soon
Sound advice.
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Dezra
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Posted - 2004.12.18 12:47:00 -
[127]
LMAO @ this thread. Estios pretty much summed it up. Oh and zelota quit the game allready.
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Dezra
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Posted - 2004.12.18 12:47:00 -
[128]
LMAO @ this thread. Estios pretty much summed it up. Oh and zelota quit the game allready.
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.18 13:33:00 -
[129]
dalman:
A rupture damped your mega?
Man, give me some of the stuff you smoke:P
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Pelias
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Posted - 2004.12.18 13:33:00 -
[130]
dalman:
A rupture damped your mega?
Man, give me some of the stuff you smoke:P
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Tarethial
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Posted - 2004.12.18 16:36:00 -
[131]
Personally i am happy with the changes in the game, it causes me to re- think my tactics and setups, it is a new challenge, if there was no change to the game to cause you new thinking, then how quick do you think you bored with the game.
For PvP'ers like myself, if you kept the same old tactics everyday and night, killing winning or losing, no matter what its the same thing over and over again.
For Npc'ers or miners, you all should know how boring mining is, and you cant keep playing the game, sitting beside a rock, mining it as you are doing nothing.
I do support all arguements, tho like i said its a new challenge for all, as all will eventually try all aspects in the game.
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Tarethial
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Posted - 2004.12.18 16:36:00 -
[132]
Personally i am happy with the changes in the game, it causes me to re- think my tactics and setups, it is a new challenge, if there was no change to the game to cause you new thinking, then how quick do you think you bored with the game.
For PvP'ers like myself, if you kept the same old tactics everyday and night, killing winning or losing, no matter what its the same thing over and over again.
For Npc'ers or miners, you all should know how boring mining is, and you cant keep playing the game, sitting beside a rock, mining it as you are doing nothing.
I do support all arguements, tho like i said its a new challenge for all, as all will eventually try all aspects in the game.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.18 16:54:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Pelias
dalman:
A rupture damped your mega?
Man, give me some of the stuff you smoke:P
Whats so unbelieveable about a Rupture sensor damping a Mega?
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.18 16:54:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Pelias
dalman:
A rupture damped your mega?
Man, give me some of the stuff you smoke:P
Whats so unbelieveable about a Rupture sensor damping a Mega?
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Beule
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Posted - 2004.12.18 18:21:00 -
[135]
maybe because he managed never to catch a megathron in his dual fitting, he always was to fast.
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Beule
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Posted - 2004.12.18 18:21:00 -
[136]
maybe because he managed never to catch a megathron in his dual fitting, he always was to fast.
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:55:00 -
[137]
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
Crusher - Sybrite Inc. |
Crusher166
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:55:00 -
[138]
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
Crusher - Sybrite Inc. |
Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:56:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:56:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:41:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Tarethial
Personally i am happy with the changes in the game, it causes me to re- think my tactics and setups, it is a new challenge, if there was no change to the game to cause you new thinking, then how quick do you think you bored with the game.
For PvP'ers like myself, if you kept the same old tactics everyday and night, killing winning or losing, no matter what its the same thing over and over again.
For Npc'ers or miners, you all should know how boring mining is, and you cant keep playing the game, sitting beside a rock, mining it as you are doing nothing.
I do support all arguements, tho like i said its a new challenge for all, as all will eventually try all aspects in the game.
Nah, not going to participate in this flame war, but this is the most reasonable post in here probably. People that know me, know that each of my ship goes over 2km/s standart, 90% of my setups are nerfed and I was like "WTF, What now?" for sometime, then gone back to the lab and put out some very nice setups at the end of the day.
If there is one thing that keeps you alive in EVE its your ability to adept.
Intercepting since BETA |
Kunming
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:41:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Tarethial
Personally i am happy with the changes in the game, it causes me to re- think my tactics and setups, it is a new challenge, if there was no change to the game to cause you new thinking, then how quick do you think you bored with the game.
For PvP'ers like myself, if you kept the same old tactics everyday and night, killing winning or losing, no matter what its the same thing over and over again.
For Npc'ers or miners, you all should know how boring mining is, and you cant keep playing the game, sitting beside a rock, mining it as you are doing nothing.
I do support all arguements, tho like i said its a new challenge for all, as all will eventually try all aspects in the game.
Nah, not going to participate in this flame war, but this is the most reasonable post in here probably. People that know me, know that each of my ship goes over 2km/s standart, 90% of my setups are nerfed and I was like "WTF, What now?" for sometime, then gone back to the lab and put out some very nice setups at the end of the day.
If there is one thing that keeps you alive in EVE its your ability to adept.
Intercepting since BETA |
UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:54:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
Why the hell are you replying to your other account?
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UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:54:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
Why the hell are you replying to your other account?
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Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:59:00 -
[145]
Originally by: UnFriendly Fire
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
Why the hell are you replying to your other account?
Heh, he did the same in the "propulsion changes suck" threat. he must be bored
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Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:59:00 -
[146]
Originally by: UnFriendly Fire
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Originally by: Crusher166
i agree zel. What next a nerf on the apoc?
CHANGE IT BACK CCP As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the greifers who get killed by these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup to counter them.
/me slaps crusher
DONT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
Why the hell are you replying to your other account?
Heh, he did the same in the "propulsion changes suck" threat. he must be bored
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Cindy Goodwill
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Posted - 2004.12.19 05:58:00 -
[147]
Lets give Zelota an early christmas present
i give you: a hankey, to dry those whiney tears. An interpunction playset: create your own sentences with dots, comma's and even capitals. And to make it all complete a good soft hug-able portion of common sence.
You don't like warpcore stabs? tough luck man, but you have to actually do something to catch your prey, just like everyone else.
It aren't the carebears that ruin this game, but rather players with an attitude like your own. If you like to PvP thats fine, do it in 0.0 where other people are that like to PvP. DON'T thrust your playstyle upon other players that are a little more open minded and allow themselves to immerse a little deeper into the wonderous world of Eve and discover more than just superficial PvP
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http://www.games-on.nl/~cu2moro/evesigphp/icon.php?blaat=.GIF |
Cindy Goodwill
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Posted - 2004.12.19 05:58:00 -
[148]
Lets give Zelota an early christmas present
i give you: a hankey, to dry those whiney tears. An interpunction playset: create your own sentences with dots, comma's and even capitals. And to make it all complete a good soft hug-able portion of common sence.
You don't like warpcore stabs? tough luck man, but you have to actually do something to catch your prey, just like everyone else.
It aren't the carebears that ruin this game, but rather players with an attitude like your own. If you like to PvP thats fine, do it in 0.0 where other people are that like to PvP. DON'T thrust your playstyle upon other players that are a little more open minded and allow themselves to immerse a little deeper into the wonderous world of Eve and discover more than just superficial PvP
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Watch my leet everchanging dynamic signature \o/
http://www.games-on.nl/~cu2moro/evesigphp/icon.php?blaat=.GIF |
slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.19 07:28:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/12/2004 08:46:21
Well, "uber" speed is no longer an option. For anyone. Learn, adapt, everyone is on the same line here.
I personally love the changes, for lots of reasons. Something needs to be done about (cruise) missiles, though, PvP is suicide right now for a lot of ship classes vs a missile bs.
Added: think of the other side of the coin here for a sec. You're CA, you people love camping gates. These changes will make it easier to catch people at gates, no more dual-MWD setups and stuff like that. Think positive.
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like running around hit fast and hard much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... utill somone brings a bigger blob.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.19 07:28:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/12/2004 08:46:21
Well, "uber" speed is no longer an option. For anyone. Learn, adapt, everyone is on the same line here.
I personally love the changes, for lots of reasons. Something needs to be done about (cruise) missiles, though, PvP is suicide right now for a lot of ship classes vs a missile bs.
Added: think of the other side of the coin here for a sec. You're CA, you people love camping gates. These changes will make it easier to catch people at gates, no more dual-MWD setups and stuff like that. Think positive.
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like running around hit fast and hard much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... utill somone brings a bigger blob.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.19 08:31:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Crusher166
As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the whiners who get killed by not being able to use these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup other then a oab+mwd setup.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.19 08:31:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Crusher166
As i said before and i will say it again: quit listening to the whiners who get killed by not being able to use these setups and who cant be bothered to think of a setup other then a oab+mwd setup.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.19 09:32:00 -
[153]
Originally by: slip66
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like logging in and out and running around much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... because somone always brings a bigger blob.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.19 09:32:00 -
[154]
Originally by: slip66
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like logging in and out and running around much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... because somone always brings a bigger blob.
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Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.19 11:15:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: slip66
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like logging in and out and running around much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... because somone always brings a bigger blob.
So? new patch nerfed warp so you have to be at the same gate all the time?.
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Leam
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Posted - 2004.12.19 11:15:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: slip66
not quite most ca dont have the patience to camp. We like logging in and out and running around much more fun. then sittig at a gate for 4 hrs waiting.... because somone always brings a bigger blob.
So? new patch nerfed warp so you have to be at the same gate all the time?.
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Reite
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Posted - 2004.12.19 12:05:00 -
[157]
I cant really understand u people whining about cruisers being useless in fleetbattles now.
I have always used my thorax and my maller with single MWD, at it works perfectly fine, In the last fleet battle i was in, i killed 1 BC 1 Rupture and 3 frigs with my 10mn MWD thorax.
Sure, if a raven targets u, u might have to warp out because of the cruise missles. But i dont mind, im not supposed to be invincible.
(sorry about the bad grammar, i was in a hurry)
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Reite
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Posted - 2004.12.19 12:05:00 -
[158]
I cant really understand u people whining about cruisers being useless in fleetbattles now.
I have always used my thorax and my maller with single MWD, at it works perfectly fine, In the last fleet battle i was in, i killed 1 BC 1 Rupture and 3 frigs with my 10mn MWD thorax.
Sure, if a raven targets u, u might have to warp out because of the cruise missles. But i dont mind, im not supposed to be invincible.
(sorry about the bad grammar, i was in a hurry)
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Nev Amati
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Posted - 2004.12.19 13:41:00 -
[159]
Man.. talk about whining about whiners.
Adapt for chrissake.
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Nev Amati
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Posted - 2004.12.19 13:41:00 -
[160]
Man.. talk about whining about whiners.
Adapt for chrissake.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2004.12.19 14:03:00 -
[161]
I like the changes, a 450m/s cruiser without the shield and cap being b***ered is a good thing IMO and thats with no extra speed mods etc. And I'm sick of watching the trails of 6.5k/s ships if I'm hunting them or trying to evade them. It was like play the oh-so-great game of Elite 2 frontier whe you tried to shoot ships whizzing past so fast you could hardly see them. 
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Uggster
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Posted - 2004.12.19 14:03:00 -
[162]
I like the changes, a 450m/s cruiser without the shield and cap being b***ered is a good thing IMO and thats with no extra speed mods etc. And I'm sick of watching the trails of 6.5k/s ships if I'm hunting them or trying to evade them. It was like play the oh-so-great game of Elite 2 frontier whe you tried to shoot ships whizzing past so fast you could hardly see them.
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siim
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Posted - 2004.12.20 00:05:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
hmm warp core stabs.. I have a memory from attacking a CA raven I was in a frig and my m8 was in a crow we both scramblerd it and he after few mins of beating he warped away..
That means he had 4 WCS's 
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siim
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Posted - 2004.12.20 00:05:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW
FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW!
hmm warp core stabs.. I have a memory from attacking a CA raven I was in a frig and my m8 was in a crow we both scramblerd it and he after few mins of beating he warped away..
That means he had 4 WCS's
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.12.20 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 20/12/2004 01:21:51
Originally by: dalman
What Estios has said.
Did ANYONE really think that MWD/AB wouldn't get changed?
Know the history and you'll now more of the future...
History time!
* In the beginning, MWDs could be fitted easily on cruisers (frigates too?). This made MWD 100% necessary. EVERYONE used MWD on their ships, and it was NOT fun. You could as well have taken away one medslot and increased the maxspeed on all ships.
This is not correct actually.
In the beginning, there was only one kind of MWD because it was considered an expensive high end item. The grid and cap requirements of this single MWD is so high, that only battleships can use this. Then the game was patched so that you can only jump from the gate at 1500m instead of 8000m, greatly lengthening travel time.
The result of this, of course, was plain ugly. Battleships was so much faster than cruiser and frigates, resulting in a tremendous imbalance. Everyone had to get a battleship.
This was also true with afterburners---there was only one type of afterburner that works with all ships, and this single afterburner has a frigate sized cap and grid requirement.
This led to the change where you have 1mn, 10mn and 100mn ABs and MWDs. This changed enabled frigates and cruisers to MWD.
There was a lot of wailing and weeping when it turns out that the expensive MWD you bought and fitted on your battleship, is now a 1MN MWD! Then imagine the same user bringing out his battleship to the then new 0.0 battleship spawns to kite and mine, only to discover right there, he can't mwd out of the situation ilke he did before.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.12.20 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 20/12/2004 01:21:51
Originally by: dalman
What Estios has said.
Did ANYONE really think that MWD/AB wouldn't get changed?
Know the history and you'll now more of the future...
History time!
* In the beginning, MWDs could be fitted easily on cruisers (frigates too?). This made MWD 100% necessary. EVERYONE used MWD on their ships, and it was NOT fun. You could as well have taken away one medslot and increased the maxspeed on all ships.
This is not correct actually.
In the beginning, there was only one kind of MWD because it was considered an expensive high end item. The grid and cap requirements of this single MWD is so high, that only battleships can use this. Then the game was patched so that you can only jump from the gate at 1500m instead of 8000m, greatly lengthening travel time.
The result of this, of course, was plain ugly. Battleships was so much faster than cruiser and frigates, resulting in a tremendous imbalance. Everyone had to get a battleship.
This was also true with afterburners---there was only one type of afterburner that works with all ships, and this single afterburner has a frigate sized cap and grid requirement.
This led to the change where you have 1mn, 10mn and 100mn ABs and MWDs. This changed enabled frigates and cruisers to MWD.
There was a lot of wailing and weeping when it turns out that the expensive MWD you bought and fitted on your battleship, is now a 1MN MWD! Then imagine the same user bringing out his battleship to the then new 0.0 battleship spawns to kite and mine, only to discover right there, he can't mwd out of the situation ilke he did before.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Mayas
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Posted - 2004.12.22 21:25:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
So let me get this straight, first you say its wrong to cry about not being able to play the style u wanna play and you shouldnt cry about it u should just accept it and deal with it, then you say that you can no longer play the play style u wanna play due to changes and... cry about it!?
I must say you seem to loose track of your original point somewhere along the line... what is your point in with this post? cause u seem to contridict yourself here and that kinda leaves ur point a bit void
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Mayas
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Posted - 2004.12.22 21:25:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51
OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.
Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 14:19:52
I my self cant play any more caus my GAME STILE has been DELETED so i cant play the way i wanted to play.
So let me get this straight, first you say its wrong to cry about not being able to play the style u wanna play and you shouldnt cry about it u should just accept it and deal with it, then you say that you can no longer play the play style u wanna play due to changes and... cry about it!?
I must say you seem to loose track of your original point somewhere along the line... what is your point in with this post? cause u seem to contridict yourself here and that kinda leaves ur point a bit void
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.12.22 22:04:00 -
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The carebears will probably ruin this game. The problem is that they are in the majority, and CCP is running a business, so they have to appeal to the masses however dumb they may be.
However, there is a remote chance, that with all the other non-pvp mmorg's out there, eve will find a PvP niche, which could save it. The other mmorg's that focus on PvE tend to be better at it than eve, so if eve goes pure carebear they will have to step up the PvE quite a bit in order to survive.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.12.22 22:04:00 -
[170]
The carebears will probably ruin this game. The problem is that they are in the majority, and CCP is running a business, so they have to appeal to the masses however dumb they may be.
However, there is a remote chance, that with all the other non-pvp mmorg's out there, eve will find a PvP niche, which could save it. The other mmorg's that focus on PvE tend to be better at it than eve, so if eve goes pure carebear they will have to step up the PvE quite a bit in order to survive.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.12.23 01:25:00 -
[171]
Nah - Whiners will ruin the game... they already do to some extent... and they come in all flavours...
Doesn't really seem like it cater too much one way or the other though - just that certain tactics get invalidated (that generally go against intended game mechanics) and ppl cry about losing their precious God mode. Run your own Quake server if you want that... 
Shamis is right though - other games do PvE far better and this game is Way more geared to PvP then most... just ... well ... see above paragraph...
Dr. Phil once said: "You wouldn't care about what people thought about you if you realized how little the did..." 
Forum monkees (like Weirda and the Like) are NOT the majority of the players in this game - and CCP know that...
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.12.23 01:25:00 -
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Nah - Whiners will ruin the game... they already do to some extent... and they come in all flavours...
Doesn't really seem like it cater too much one way or the other though - just that certain tactics get invalidated (that generally go against intended game mechanics) and ppl cry about losing their precious God mode. Run your own Quake server if you want that...
Shamis is right though - other games do PvE far better and this game is Way more geared to PvP then most... just ... well ... see above paragraph...
Dr. Phil once said: "You wouldn't care about what people thought about you if you realized how little the did..."
Forum monkees (like Weirda and the Like) are NOT the majority of the players in this game - and CCP know that...
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throbbinnoggin
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Posted - 2004.12.23 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The carebears will probably ruin this game.
Originally by: Weirda
Nah - Whiners will ruin the game...
thank you weirda for making the distinction
Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
'Abraham Lincoln'
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throbbinnoggin
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Posted - 2004.12.23 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The carebears will probably ruin this game.
Originally by: Weirda
Nah - Whiners will ruin the game...
thank you weirda for making the distinction
Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
'Abraham Lincoln'
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