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Predator Elite
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.09.17 03:21:00 -
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Jade you haven't killed anything with the T1 crusiers.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.17 04:26:00 -
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Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator. Best we agree to differ and lets hope you prove more aggressive in space over the next few months. You had a dangerous reputation at the beginning of this, lets see if you care to fight to maintain it.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.09.17 04:57:00 -
[483]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator. Best we agree to differ and lets hope you prove more aggressive in space over the next few months. You had a dangerous reputation at the beginning of this, lets see if you care to fight to maintain it.
Yes Pred, best avoid topics that make Jade and his crew of crap look bad. Best move along here, this is a thread about a SF war gone bad ok.
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Vaarun
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.09.17 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator.
Archbishop-land must be filled with comments that are full of truth and shame against Star Fraction. I assume that is why you don't like going there.
Honestly, can you find no better excuse? You have thrown around the words "Archbishop", "obsessed", and "stalker" like they absolve you from actually trying to make meaningful points or debate. Do not talk about the weather when we ask you about the war.
If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them.
I think Pred is simply pointing to a nuance of a fact I have repeated many times: SF seems to urge the Minmatar to fight, promising assistance which usually includes some command-module bonuses beamed from afar and ships that arrive towards the end of battle so long as things are in the Minmatar's favor. Flying T1 cruisers is just another layer of that same low-risk, high-visibility policy that SF employs. "All the glory, none of the risk." SF Edict #171.
Strapped for ISK? Life in 0.0 not going so well?
If you would undock in TechII ships and fight the Amarr Militia, without help from the Minamatar, this criticism would stop. But you can not, so it will not.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.17 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun
If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them.
Generally because they are.
Predator and (I imagine you) are simply complaining about a tactic of war you do not like. I imagine we all know why the Fraction like our regular tech1 cruiser roams - its because we can use them to execute war targets and kill rights targets in the middle of large Amarrian fleets while not suffering any real fiscal damage by the inevitable response of said large fleet. We trade the price of an inexpensive hull for a new collection of killrights we can use to execute enemies elsewhere in the warzone. Its a tried and test methodology and you do not like it because it works.
But then you are our enemy so you are not supposed to like it.
The Fraction is hated by the 24th because we do things your more conventional enemies cannot. We stalk you in Amarrian hisec. We execute your loners with killrights. We break up your formations and force your groups to criminally-flag against inexpensive hulls that give you nothing of value in the loot. We move our operations to your HQ system and assassinate those who sought glory against the fraction by being one of 30 on a tech1 cruiser hull.
Its a very annoying tactic from your perspective I am sure. But its a guerilla warfare technique and it upsets your calm. This is clear by all the whining and complaining you engage in on the forums while we simply keep on with our objectives in space.
But learn this. Crying about our tactics will not make us go away. You'd need to actually fight to achieve that.
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Vaarun
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vaarun
If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them.
Generally because they are.
Predator and (I imagine you) are simply complaining about a tactic of war you do not like. I imagine we all know why the Fraction like our regular tech1 cruiser roams - its because we can use them to execute war targets and kill rights targets in the middle of large Amarrian fleets while not suffering any real fiscal damage by the inevitable response of said large fleet. We trade the price of an inexpensive hull for a new collection of killrights we can use to execute enemies elsewhere in the warzone. Its a tried and test methodology and you do not like it because it works.
But then you are our enemy so you are not supposed to like it.
The Fraction is hated by the 24th because we do things your more conventional enemies cannot. We stalk you in Amarrian hisec. We execute your loners with killrights. We break up your formations and force your groups to criminally-flag against inexpensive hulls that give you nothing of value in the loot. We move our operations to your HQ system and assassinate those who sought glory against the fraction by being one of 30 on a tech1 cruiser hull.
Its a very annoying tactic from your perspective I am sure. But its a guerilla warfare technique and it upsets your calm. This is clear by all the whining and complaining you engage in on the forums while we simply keep on with our objectives in space.
But learn this. Crying about our tactics will not make us go away. You'd need to actually fight to achieve that.
Well. Those are all fair reasons and thank you for not falling back on some dismissive and trite excuse to avoid engagement.
I also thank you for tipping your hand and letting the pilots here have an insight into the more subtle reasons behind your actions. That was more than I had expected.
So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, myou gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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lucifers widow
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:40:00 -
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But when Amarr militia pilots fly T1 frigs and cruisers Connie goes all emo claiming how they lack a backbone and been reduced to flying worthless ships because of how much damage the Star fraction has done and how people are scared of them>
Sorry you old fruit, you lot are scared to fly more expensive things, no shame in that at all, just don't flower it up for more than it is.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun
So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, you gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing. You simply dangle a disposable ship for them to kill so you can kill more valuable ships later and possibly in an inopportune moment or high-sec. Clever, and still fitting your "low-risk" methodology.
Certainly. And if the 24th "wise up" and refuse to gcc on our tech1 cruisers then they must stand by and watch while we eliminate and assassinate our war dec targets or natural Amarrian lowsec people. As you can appreciate its effective either way.
But the tactic is no secret Vaarun. Your leadership have known about it for years. Its why the likes of Predator Elite comes here to try to mock it and complain about its employment. Its effective, hence hated by our enemies. Thats why we do it.
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vaarun
So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, you gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing. You simply dangle a disposable ship for them to kill so you can kill more valuable ships later and possibly in an inopportune moment or high-sec. Clever, and still fitting your "low-risk" methodology.
Certainly. And if the 24th "wise up" and refuse to gcc on our tech1 cruisers then they must stand by and watch while we eliminate and assassinate our war dec targets or natural Amarrian lowsec people. As you can appreciate its effective either way.
But the tactic is no secret Vaarun. Your leadership have known about it for years. Its why the likes of Predator Elite comes here to try to mock it and complain about its employment. Its effective, hence hated by our enemies. Thats why we do it.
So we're back to whoring some Damage, when the milita fights for you.
You cannot counter our fleets in strait up fight, youve said so yourself, so we've reduced you to whoring.
Wich if what they say is true about you, its something you find quite natural and easy ;)
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Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:51:00 -
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I don't often post here, but I couldn't hold my tongue any more:
Originally by: Predator Elite
...and the reason why we don't fight you on station is because docking games are stupid and a waste of time....
You might want to have a word with Eliserae about that, if you dislike the docking games so much; there is a good reason why we chose to execute her Drake last night.
Originally by: Predator Elite
You must be blind, your allaince is falling apart
I beg to differ, and it's especially ironic for you to say, considering how many of your own have joined Exile Consortium.
Originally by: Predator Elite
you won't even undock unless you have multi caps on the field
That is clearly a ridiculous statement and you know it.
I have a lingering respect for you, Predator and I know my friend Claire XXX does, but you really are beginning to sound desperate here; I urge you, for your own dignity, to look to what you're saying.
I will see you on the field of war.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun
Strapped for ISK?
Only comment I thought worth to quote because it's literally... priceless
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 18/09/2010 06:28:06
It appears the Star Fraction has been reduced to flying T1 cruisers and frigates. Their once vaunted wealth gone... traded for a couple of Titans and an outpost they can hardly afford to run. Long past are the days of the Star Fraction fielding armies of T2 hulled ships, their wallets overflowing with T2 riches, rather now they seek donations from their own corporation members to fund their efforts and slink around looking for strays to shoot.
I recall a time not long ago when the Star Fraction claimed the forces of the Amarrian loyalists were reduced to flying frigates... never mind frigates and cruisers were all that was allowed in most militia complex warzones... they sought to spin it into some anarchist "victory".
Now, using that same standard, it becomes very clear that the 24th Crusade and others like Core Impulse and all the random corporations the Star Fraction has wardec'd recently have reduced them to a cruiser fielding shell of their former selves, what they once claimed applied to others now applies to them, after all turn about is fair play.
Unless of course Jade is a complete hypocrite?
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Tara Armitage
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.18 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tara Armitage on 18/09/2010 07:48:12
Star Fraction and before that Jericho Fraction has never had any other wealth than the wealth its members have donated to it for specific needs. The needed ISK to bribe CONCORD as well as other running costs of the Alliance and the Corporation have always been raised by asking voluntary donations from the members.Those who have been in the position to do so, have put forth the needed funds if the mood has struck them and soon we have had the required resources.
Any even slightly significant wealth of Star Fraction is, and it has always been, completely private owned and it is the only way we would have it. Obviously seeing as we are, indeed, ungodly (pun intented) rich by average your view may vary on the "slightly significant".
The other option is and has always been completely private and voluntary ventures that our members run with each other in many differently formed groups and indeed with third parties. Again the wealth associated with such ventures too is completely private owned from the Star Fraction's position.
For one who thinks he is able to make far reaching conclusions and, in fact, for one that has been making such far reaching conclusions in a very loud way for years and years about Jericho Fraction and Star Fraction, Archbishop should know such a basic functionality of the entity he keeps on frothing about. Everyone should make their own conclusions as to the quality of his broadcasts and I am not really interested in those conclusions. I am simply making available simple facts as they are in reality and not in the La la laa land of Archbishop and other lunatics, about wealth and Star Fraction.
As for The Impulse Control, it has ran itself as a form of lazy entertainment while majority of us have been otherwise engaged. There certainly seems to be a lot of commentating on the matter. We are used to such high level of noise since the days of the New Venal Alliance many years ago and it never ceases. Faces change but the song remains. While sometimes entertaining, I would put little to no weight on this when forming a picture about the actual events, but again that is for everyone to decide for themselves.
We'll see what's what in a completely different venue now that the seasonal yearly cycles in our alliance are once more turning. All of these communications apart from the facts such as the declaration of the campaign and its goals etc. - the rest is useless in the end.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.09.18 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
You're so blinded by your obsession with the fraction you can't distinguish between thrift as an economic lever and thrift as a necessity.
When you need to shovel **** it doesn't mean you have to use a platinum shovel.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.18 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Skogen Gump
You might want to have a word with Eliserae about that, if you dislike the docking games so much; there is a good reason why we chose to execute her Drake last night.
This just in: Star Fraction successfully destroyed a Drake-class Battlecruiser Vessel. Celebrations immediately erupted, lasting into the early hours of the next morning. A memorial plaque dedicated to this heroic and decisive victory has been erected in Huola.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.18 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/09/2010 13:37:39
Originally by: Archbishop
It appears the Star Fraction ... [snipped for the tripe filter]
Dear me. It comes to something when I have to publicly declare our tactics and techniques on the summit so the 24th Crusade can at least understand whats going on and it still goes straight over their heads. When Core Impulse take to using Archbishop for their front man you know something is going embarrassingly wrong in that organization.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.09.18 14:50:00 -
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I personally, cant see the point of anyone discussing anything with the Star Fraction.
Their confusion becomes apparent when they at the same time as proclaiming to be working for a good cause, openly declare themselves anarchists, terrorists, collaborators with pirates, and worse.
Unfortunately, it seems clear that they have some fanatical obsession with this twisted ideology of theirs, and that they are in no way willing to turn away from that path of chaos and blindness.
Well, let's not waste our tongues on contradicting their propaganda and twisted ideologies over and over again, it is surely a waste of time.
Instead, let the guns do the talking!
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Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.18 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Codo Yagari
Their confusion becomes apparent when they at the same time as proclaiming to be working for a good cause, openly declare themselves anarchists, terrorists, collaborators with pirates, and worse.
This is only a contradiction if you consider anarchism etc. a bad thing.
Originally by: Codo Yagari
Instead, let the guns do the talking!
Amen.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.18 23:36:00 -
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Lets be clear, I hold no weight in the value of a ship someone uses to fight for a cause they believe in. The important thing is that you do fight. I for one certainly never passed comment on the use of cost effective ships, I made many comments and jeers at those pilots who would flee from any hint of combat using only their stripped down, low-friction frigate ships to skit about the war zone while their comrades burned.
If I see a significant advantage in using a T2, or T3 ship I will. If I can kill you in my thorax, why not?
Surely if these T2 ships your so keen for us to use are so amazingly good, you can use them and wipe the floor with our inferior technology?
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Lets be clear, I hold no weight in the value of a ship someone uses to fight for a cause they believe in. The important thing is that you do fight. I for one certainly never passed comment on the use of cost effective ships, I made many comments and jeers at those pilots who would flee from any hint of combat using only their stripped down, low-friction frigate ships to skit about the war zone while their comrades burned.
If I see a significant advantage in using a T2, or T3 ship I will. If I can kill you in my thorax, why not?
Surely if these T2 ships your so keen for us to use are so amazingly good, you can use them and wipe the floor with our inferior technology?
So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war? A time when Amarrian Militia forces were quite successful and likewise quite restricted to small warships in factional warfare combat areas.
I am quite encouraged by your honesty in condemning her comments and showing there is value to be placed in all who support a cause. While we don't agree on the cause I must say I find your honesty refreshing.
Archbishop
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Al'Gouhti
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.19 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war?
Where are you getting this insight from?
I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to?
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF?
Classless... utterly classless.
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Ascentior
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Al'Gouhti
Originally by: Archbishop
So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war?
Where are you getting this insight from?
I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to?
Perhaps this needs to be spelled out a little clearer for you. Archbishop usually talks to people who understand these concepts so skips over some basics.
Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems that rightly belong to the Empire. To do this, we must enter areas that restrict the hull type we use, in some cases to tech 1 frigates. This is our priority. Any outside disturbance from confused anarchists is secondary to the task at hand and will be dealt with time permitting. This is the reason why you will find militia pilots in small hulls.
This war is not about killing enemies, it is about saving people from their own damnation. You may have concerns about a future where all the people of this world can live together in His light, without fear of attack from pirates, terrorists and anarchists alike. This is, however, the future we are building in His name. Delay it as you might, you can not stop it.
So do not try to compare against militia. We are fighting for a cause and if we must be humble in our ship choice to take control of an area, then we will. You are here for the glory of controlling a powerful enemy. The enemy you chose is fielding battleships perhaps so you can find them easier. Yet you continue to use the tactics of hiding behind Moons and Minnies in your T1 Cruisers, in an attempt to get a higher score on some scoreboard. And by all reports I've seen linked, it's not working.
The most interesting part is, we know the Minnie militia is a worthy foe. We know they can hold their own and are a very difficult obstacle in our path (in time we will free them from their shackles of hatred). It would be interesting to see how your 'Fractioneers' would hold up in your chosen war without using this more powerful force to do it for you.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 19/09/2010 16:02:15
Originally by: Al'Gouhti
Originally by: Archbishop
So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war?
Where are you getting this insight from?
I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to?
Exactly. Ascentior above has spelled out the details better then I could but you clearly see the relevance. In the past Jade Constantine has alleged the flying of lessor classed ships to be some indication of a failure on the part of the Amarr loyalist forces. At the same time she was quite happy to claim the Star Fraction had forced the Amarr Loyalists into such ships even repeating the lie several times we couldn't field battleship fleets.
In reality as Ascentior states the militia forces are involved in areas of space where restrictions on ship size and class are present. As the #1 primary goal of the militia forces is combating enemies of the empire (the Minmatar Millitia for example) we fly the ships that allow us to do that mission. Jumping into battleships (which we do on occasion) to go out and fight with some insignificant attention seeking spin doctor isn't important to the forces of the Amarr Militia thus you can see why the Amarrians were in small ships at the time.
Connecting this to what ChipMo has said above is very easily actually. He is completely refuting everything Jade had previously said about forces flying small ships. Chipmo states (quite correctly) that the tools an individual uses are merely that, tools, and not a reflection of commitment or dedication. In the case of the Amarr Militia the best tool for the job was (and is) small warships that can enter the restricted warzones. As our enemy are the enemies of the Amarr that makes sense.
Likewise with the Star Fraction one of two things is true.
First they are just doing what the Amarr Militia has done and flying the ships appropriate for the job... the best "tool" as it were.
Second they are complete failures, the Amarr Militia and others like Core Impulse have beaten them into the ground to the point that all they can field are small T1 warships and the 24th Amarr Militia and others like Core Impulse can quite clearly claim "victory" given such facts about the Star Fraction ship types.
Where am I "getting" my belief that ChipMo has condemned Jade's comments? Really it's quite obvious. Just as the Star Fraction is now flying the best "tool" to do their job so was the Amarr Militia with restricted complexes and factional warfare regulations. In these cases Jade chose the second option above and claimed (multiple times) that Amarr Loyalist forces were reduced to flying small ships and not engaging Star Fraction attention seekers in their big T2 and battleship fleets. This she claimed was a great Star Fraction "victory" over the imperialists.
In other words Jade said completely the opposite of ChipMo. ChipMo realizes the #1 option above, with pilots flying the right tool for the job, is the reality of the situation and shows commitment and dedication. In other words he just baitch-slapped Jade upside the head (quite eloquently) by proving that everything Jade said about the imperialist ship choice was inacurrate, a lie and completely off-target.
ChipMo has done a valuable service for his corporation. He has looked past the obsessional ravings of his CEO and her needs to always seek "victory" on IGS and replaced it with a very simple truth of the selection of ship types in the combat zone. His condemnation of Jade's words is quite loud and clear.
Again...that sort of honesty and openess from an anarchist... quite refreshing actually.
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Al'Gouhti
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.19 16:11:00 -
[504]
Edited by: Al''Gouhti on 19/09/2010 16:13:26
Originally by: Ascentior
Perhaps this needs to be spelled out a little clearer for you. Archbishop usually talks to people who understand these concepts so skips over some basics.
Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems that rightly belong to the Empire. To do this, we must enter areas that restrict the hull type we use, in some cases to tech 1 frigates. This is our priority. Any outside disturbance from confused anarchists is secondary to the task at hand and will be dealt with time permitting. This is the reason why you will find militia pilots in small hulls.
This war is not about killing enemies, it is about saving people from their own damnation. You may have concerns about a future where all the people of this world can live together in His light, without fear of attack from pirates, terrorists and anarchists alike. This is, however, the future we are building in His name. Delay it as you might, you can not stop it.
So do not try to compare against militia. We are fighting for a cause and if we must be humble in our ship choice to take control of an area, then we will. You are here for the glory of controlling a powerful enemy. The enemy you chose is fielding battleships perhaps so you can find them easier. Yet you continue to use the tactics of hiding behind Moons and Minnies in your T1 Cruisers, in an attempt to get a higher score on some scoreboard. And by all reports I've seen linked, it's not working.
The most interesting part is, we know the Minnie militia is a worthy foe. We know they can hold their own and are a very difficult obstacle in our path (in time we will free them from their shackles of hatred). It would be interesting to see how your 'Fractioneers' would hold up in your chosen war without using this more powerful force to do it for you.
wow that is a lot of words you use to, not awnser my question and it wasnt even directed to you. But since you seem to like spelling things out clearer. Then maybe you could help Archbishop explain how ChipMo is condemnig Jades words. If it is what I suspect, that Archbishop is refering to coments said a year ago, then he is a raving buffoon that dosnt understand that.
Eventhough The Bleak Lands and the other regions might be the same theater as last time, but the conflict has evolved. what was the situation yesterday will be a thing of the past today. He seems to always be one step behind everyone else in the conflict.
But I guess there is no reason in trying to reason with a mad clergiman whose congregation is composed by raving lunatics.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF?
Classless... utterly classless.
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Al'Gouhti
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.19 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Al''Gouhti on 19/09/2010 16:31:39
Clergyman you are so stuck in the past that you wouldnt see the future if it punched you in the face.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF?
Classless... utterly classless.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.19 16:32:00 -
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The reality is that PIE Inc. stopped being a relevant wardec target for the Star Fraction quite a long time ago. Why they are still chasing the bus like red-faced frothing lunatics now is more difficult to discern but hardly anything for us to spend much time analysing.
If PIE Inc. wish to play a role in the current campaign then they can find the same wardec procedures as Absinthe and F.E.A.R and Tribal Liberation Wolf's were able to in support of Core Impulse.
If they cannot then their purposeless ranting on this thread is apparent as the futile and impotent windy noise it has become in the eyes of anyone with the sense to see it.
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Sabbott
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:02:00 -
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I myself find it laughable, Jades obsession with Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (PIE), And how she goes to lengths to denounce and talk bad of them in obsessive ravings... In most my previous dealings with her she just lowers herself to name calling ... even calling me one of them, but never really answer's questions clearly, It was nice to see there are a few with in the Fraction with some honesty, ChipMo has shown that clearly. But one needs to think about sedating or medicating the Fractionist leader... who is raving lunatic
Passing by one of the fractionists skirmish forces in the Bleak Lands recently, looking for our own tagets we saw them holding on the other side of a system to pick up stragglers as their minmatar "friends" died on the other gate against the might of the Amarr militia. It is interesting how they hold their ally's "not" as equals in this conflict... but use them for their own motive.
It might be in fact they are a "3rd" force in the theatre of war? looking for destruction of even the Minmatar forces in the region, as a pure anarchist would be expected... to enjoy watching everything around them burn and crumble, but to do this while acting as ally's of the Minmatar is so low and cowardly... But not unexpected. It would be nice to have a clear answer to this.
In closing I think The Fraction needs more honesty to gain respect of its enemy's and friends alike, lets hope their are more ChipMo's in the fraction and this policy of hate and cowardly tactics of hiding behind the strong Matari warriors comes to an end with a honest and straight forward conflicts & tactics. As I know the Fraction is capable of..
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:37:00 -
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As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits.
*ChipMo strokes his chin > humm...
Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion.
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Gallente
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits.
*ChipMo strokes his chin > humm...
Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion.
Nothing did. This was just the usual kind of desperate attention-seeking posting from washed up failed Amarrian Nationalists. All the information required to decisively refute any point attempted by the loyalists is clearly available in our public statements.
I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
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I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery.
As you seem to be aiming this comment at PIE Inc, I will reiterate what has already been said. We (and it appears most of the Amarr Militia) are not concerned with "fighting" you. Our goal is to save those that are lost and bring them into His embrace. This is our goal. If and when you directly hinder us in achieving that goal, it has been, and will continue to be dealt with, ad hoc. As you are focusing your campaign on Core Impulse, and they have no trouble dealing with the situation, there seems to be no need to adjust that attitude. I do not assume to make the decisions for our corp, nor do I claim to have access to all the information that our directors have, but that is quite clear to me.
The Empire's militia (PIE included) have much harder opponents to deal with than some lost 'Fractioneers'. Core Impulse seem to have this all under control (Impulse control?).
Sadly for The Star Fraction, no matter what is said on the summit, the Amarr militia will continue to bring the grace of the Empire to wayward Minmatar. It's a shame that such a worthy adversary (The Minmatar militia) continue to fight aside such a Pied Piper.
Even though these lost children needn't die at all, instead accept the embrace of God and live in his name. They also do not deserve to be herded like cattle to their deaths in some pointless attempt to make The Star Fraction seem relevant again.
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