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Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.08.11 16:38:00 -
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I never made the claim that not using spies made one clean. Really Miss Constantine stop being so defensive and prickly.
I merely stated two facts. Star Fraction has them. The Knighthood doesn't.
I did say I've no idea what others in the Militia do. Is it possible that I've flown under 24th FCs who have use of spies. Certainly. Do I know that for a fact? Negative. Do I even care? Not really. Do I care that SF has spies? Not at all.
Shalee Lianne
Commodore of the Amarr Militia
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 11/08/2010 16:44:34
 Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Big MackDaddy
You claimed to aid the minmatar so you are babysitters.
No, we work with Minmatar militia corporations as respected allies. That's not 'babysitting' and it is not 'using them as meatshields' - any more than Core Impulse working with other Amarr militia corporations is 'babysitting' or 'using meatshields'.
Stop whinging about the fact people have allies. You have them. We have them. Accept it. All this rubbish just makes you look petty and weak.
The Cosmopolite
No no, come now cosmo, Core Impulse IS PART OF THE AMARR militia, something you cannot state with the minamtar militia. Being part of the of the militia is not using it as a meat shield its actually working with them. In all honesty, and nothing against CORIM, we lived through your failed attempts, and through the days when the minmatar militia had massive organisations within them durning the opening of the war, CORIM was not there. Here we stand, strong and defiant against our enemies, always.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 11/08/2010 16:53:15
One doesn't have to be part of a militia to work with corporations within it on an allied basis. Indeed, being in a militia does not necessarily imply a friendly relationship with other corporations in that militia, as you well know.
You can't pretend that the militia is a homogenous entity that can be considered as a perfect unity. The effective reality is that it is made up of various corporations that happen to share a mutual war with a militia made up of another set of corporations. To the extent corporations within the various militias work together they are allies. We work with militia corporations against war targets we share with them. To that extent we are allied with them.
Core Impulse have their militia allies, among others, and we have our militia allies, among others. There is no point whinging about it and we're not going to accept some artificial and absurd argument that we should fight an entire militia with no allies as if it is some special point of honour. That is tendentious and specious nonsense.
The Cosmpolite
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 11/08/2010 16:53:15
One doesn't have to be part of a militia to work with corporations within it on an allied basis. Indeed, being in a militia does not necessarily imply a friendly relationship with other corporations in that militia, as you well know.
You can't pretend that the militia is a homogenous entity that can be considered as a perfect unity. The effective reality is that it is made up of various corporations that happen to share a mutual war with a militia made up of another set of corporations. To the extent corporations within the various militias work together they are allies. We work with militia corporations against war targets we share with them. To that extent we are allied with them.
Core Impulse have their militia allies, among others, and we have our militia allies, among others. There is no point whinging about it and we're not going to accept some artificial and absurd argument that we should fight an entire militia with no allies as if it is some special point of honour. That is tendentious and specious nonsense.
The Cosmpolite
I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly.
Hmmm, EM didn't ever seem to produce quite as many desperate whiny posts from sulking Amarrian Nationalists though did they?
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:01:00 -
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You know the answer: we have no wish to affiliate to a government militia. It's a simple point of principle. You can believe that or not, it doesn't really signify either way.
The Cosmopolite
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly.
Hmmm, EM didn't ever seem to produce quite as many desperate whiny posts from sulking Amarrian Nationalists though did they?
Well, EM didn't need to post, they came in, owned, and left. No one will dispute that. People will confirm you have not, and here we find you on the forums. You are failing hard here Jadder.
To cosmo, you clearly did not think straight before posting that. Start back tracking bud, you put your foot in your mouth.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
People will confirm you have not
So the reason you are crying now is that we have not left?
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
People will confirm you have not
So the reason you are crying now is that we have not left?
Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly  atm.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly atm.
Actually somebody else cried about it while doing it to me. But its neither here nor there. The point I was making Invelious is that the reason you are crying about Star Fraction presence in the warzone is pure and simply that we are still here and you don't like that.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:18:00 -
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What's to back-track? We're anarchists. We're opposed to government on principle. Why would we affiliate to government militias? This is simply our consistent position.
Just as we have consistently said that if it were not for the idiotic CONCORD rules in this regard we would happily declare war on the entire Amarr militia.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly atm.
Actually somebody else cried about it while doing it to me. But its neither here nor there. The point I was making Invelious is that the reason you are crying about Star Fraction presence in the warzone is pure and simply that we are still here and you don't like that.
I love watching you fail, why in the world would I want anything different. Stay as long as you want, i'm simply indicated that what you are doing is of no real assistance to the Minmatar Militia. What would you call your affiliation to the minmatar militia? just curious.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
I love watching you fail, why in the world would I want anything different. Stay as long as you want, i'm simply indicated that what you are doing is of no real assistance to the Minmatar Militia.
Every time we have been actively involved against the 24th Crusade you have been the cheerleader of tears and whining on Galnet Invelious. And here you are again. Obviously we don't care for your analysis of strategic situations because your reputation on that score is scarcely worth a candle, but it is noteworthy that you put a lot of effort into complaining about the presence of people you claim to have no impact at all.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:30:00 -
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We're allied with specific corporations within the Minmatar militia. We haven't affiliated to the Minmatar militia, ie. we are not in the miltia.
I think this is a clear distinction. In any event, we've been over this ground many times before.
The Cosmopolite
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
We're anarchists. We're opposed to government on principle. Why would we affiliate to government militias?
Indeed, why would you ally with the Republican or Federation militias?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:46:00 -
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Please don't mix up 'affiliate' and 'ally', Blake, and also note that we are allied to capsuleer-controlled corporations in some of the militias, not any militia as a whole.
As to the reason for our alliances with various corporations and entities, quite simple: commonality of interest to a degree meriting the alliances being entered into.
Which is largely why everyone allies with other people. I would have thought this is elementary.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Please don't mix up 'affiliate' and 'ally', Blake, and also note that we are allied to capsuleer-controlled corporations in some of the militias, not any militia as a whole.
As to the reason for our alliances with various corporations and entities, quite simple: commonality of interest to a degree meriting the alliances being entered into.
Which is largely why everyone allies with other people. I would have thought this is elementary.
The Cosmopolite
So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.11 17:59:00 -
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Blake, take some friendly advice from an enemy - don't think too hard about it. I'd hate for you to die of a cerebral hemorrhage before I got a chance to kill you myself.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Blake, take some friendly advice from an enemy - don't think too hard about it. I'd hate for you to die of a cerebral hemorrhage before I got a chance to kill you myself.
You and Blake fighting? 
Thats a little like imagining two cotton-wool-wrapped adult babies belabouring each other with soggy cucumbers in a sauna full of marmelade.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Thats a little like imagining two cotton-wool-wrapped adult babies belabouring each other with soggy cucumbers in a sauna full of marmelade.
As I've said before, while your monologues are frightfully uninspired and drab, I much prefer them to the externalisation of your own peculiar sexual fantasies; those are less frightful than viscerally terrifying. While I respect your right to practice what you wish with whoever (or whatever) you wish to take as your lover in the privacy of your own quarters, I would take it as a personal favour if you kept your private fetishes just that.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:51:00 -
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Star Fraction PR damage control team has now been alerted. Losing in space and on the forums. Hilarious.
Whats even more fantastic is their inability to keep their story straight. They affiliate themselves by supporting the minmatar milita, or as they say only specific corps within it, which is still in fact supporting the militia. Then follow it up by saying they are not affiliated to it what so ever. Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus.
Lets keep this on track with how you are currently failing against the 24th, and more importantly your campaign against Core Impulse. OH, also, your hypocrisy in your ideals and affiliations.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus.
I don't think you can honestly claim we are changing subject by attacking Rodj Blake and Andreus Ixiris really.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus.
I don't think you can honestly claim we are changing subject by attacking Rodj Blake and Andreus Ixiris really.
Ok, so you were avoiding it. You still are. Keep it up.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus.
I consider it less of an attack on us and more of an unwanted insight into the dark reccesses of a diseased mind.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government?
Against a common enemy when it is the greater threat? No. Particularly, though not necessarily, when it is an alliance with supporters of a government we believe we can oppose without violence.
I must say, I have been somewhat given to understand that allying with others you don't necessarily agree with on every jot and tittle against a common enemy is not exactly a controversial concept these days.
The Cosmopolite
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government?
Against a common enemy when it is the greater threat? No. Particularly, though not necessarily, when it is an alliance with supporters of a government we believe we can oppose without violence.
Do you seriously believe that you can replace the Gallente Federation without the use of violence?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.12 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Do you seriously believe that you can replace the Gallente Federation without the use of violence?
I shall have to correct you on this point by saying I believe he means the Minmatar Republic, although I would pose exactly the same question about them.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:28:00 -
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The questions imply we are seeking to 'replace' a given polity in the sense of supplanting it and imposing our own system. This is not what we seek to do. It's primarily a matter for the people making up a given polity to develop a freer form of social organisation that suits their interests.
We simply advance the argument for the maximum possible liberty and the removal of violence in social relations. We believe it is possible to organise socially without the violence inherent in government systems.
To our mind, there is much scope for peaceful dialogue in this regard when it comes to the Minmatar people and their republic. The direct experience of the Minmatar of the worst kind of slavery has only heightened their natural inclination to put a premium on liberty. We note that the process of reconstituting the Republic in a new form continues and watch this with interest.
I believe it is a shame that the apparent preference for freedom and autonomy expressed by the Gallente people is not reflected in their system of government but matters may change. At present, I fear the kind of authoritarian reflex that led the Gallente Federation to attempt to frustrate the secession of the Caldari, thus starting the first Caldari-Galllente War, is still very much alive in that polity.
Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense.
The Cosmopolite
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2010 12:38:22
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense.
It's interesting that you should say that, because I recall what SF said when a certain Gallente nationalist made a throwaway remark about favouring PIE over SF.
I guess it's different when SF do it 
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense.
It's interesting that you should say that, because I recall what SF said when a certain Gallente nationalist made a throwaway remark about favouring PIE over SF.
I guess it's different when SF do it
Oh, not at all. Not by any means.
If said Gallente nationalist wants to favour PIE over the Star Fraction because his interests lie in the Star Fraction being defeated by a slaver corporation while it fights slavery then that's quite understandable and clear.
Ultimately, if a Gallente nationalist has a commonality of interest and basis for trust with an Amarr paramilitary organisation then I would expect them to ally with one another. It isn't the fact of them being allied that I would would cavil at in any way. Rather, I would reflect on why they should be allied or favour one another.
The Cosmopolite
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