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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.07 23:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/07/2010 23:49:40 The Star Fraction Alliance took sovereignty in YWS0-Z system in Providence following the UK/AAA led victory over CVA. In the weeks following the CVA/Sev3rance withdrawal at the successful conclusion of our own Black Lustrum campaign, the Star Fraction was invited by our Matari allies in the UshraÆkhan to establish a presence in YWS0-Z the better to light a beacon for Freespace settlement in the region and this we did in a matter of weeks constructing the first Freeport in New Providence TAZ Nortlonto demonstrating our endless commitment to freedom and adventure on the frontier with opportunity and commerce for all. But the revolution can never rest, Providence has been liberated but The Star Fraction returns to the fight in the Bleaklands invigorated and hungry to the drumbeat of Freedom's driving song. The CVA may have scattered and driven like yellow dogs but the stink of imperialism is on the rise and call to battle cannot be ignored. Our allies in Royal Order of Security Specialists [ROSS] have been sorely pressed in recent months by the resurgent fleet power and confidence of the 24th Crusade spearheaded by the ex Huzzah Federation capital ship specialists: Core Impulse. But the Free Captains of the Star Fraction will not stand by and see our friends and comrades of the great battles of space and freedom left to dangle in the stellar winds while life and breath remain in our immortal bodies! So battle group relocation has been accomplished, plans are laid and the Star Fraction returns to the Bleaklands warzone and gives notice of imminent conflict with the regressive imperialists of Core Impulse and their supporters in the 24th Crusade. We commit to the fray without limits or restraint and will stand side by side with our allies when the day turns darkest and the stormclouds gather. Let slip the docking arrays, clear the blaster racks for firing! Anarchist revolutionaries unite with Free Matari tribal fighters, anti-imperialist insurgents, and firebrand insurrectionists from all corners of the star cluster to carry the fight against theocratic catamites and patriarchical hierarchs in all their gilded space palaces and fleshpots of the Bleaklands. War has come. Let us sing the songs of freedom as we turn our weapons on the foes of human liberation! Join the Revolution!
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.07.07 23:56:00 - [2] 1010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100100101001001001001010011100100100101111010010010100111001001101001010010010100100100100101001110010010010111101001001010011100100110100101001001010010010010010100111001001001011110100100101001110010011010010100 ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.07.08 00:16:00 - [3] Hey, it's that time of the month! -------
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.07.08 01:06:00 - [4] Good luck to the Freecaptains, however be warned that there are some severely underhanded pilots within the 24th, and Core Impulse. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.07.08 01:07:00 - [5] Edited by: Vaarun on 08/07/2010 01:08:45 Edited by: Vaarun on 08/07/2010 01:08:25 I think you message was cut off. Here, let me post the rest for you... "War has come. Let us sing the songs of freedom as we turn our weapons on the foes of human liberation! Let us push our allies before us like human shields to die upon the field of battle so we have yet another [tower] from which to scream our nonsensical ravings." The transmissiosn was a bit garbled, so I looked at the text I had and at your performance record in the faction war to date, and simply extrapolated the rest. I welcome SF's return to the Bleaklands. You kill almost Minmatar as we do. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 01:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Verone Good luck to the Freecaptains, however be warned that there are some severely underhanded pilots within the 24th, and Core Impulse. Thank you Verone. And we'll be careful, we know what these Amarrian Nationalists are like by now Join the Revolution!
Pol Macsliebh Minmatar Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.07.08 01:38:00 - [7] Great to have our Brothers and Sister back in the fight, I personally cant wait to fly with the Free Captains again. Pol
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.08 02:13:00 - [8] Give em hell. o7
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.08 02:43:00 - [9] About time, been looking for a fight. Not sure about the huzzah bit though, the corp is entirely different to what we were then.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.08 03:50:00 - [10] I do love the smell of burning pod juice in the morning. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 03:52:00 - [11] Our declaration has been issued and the responses follow the typical pattern. A toothless loon falling over himself to tell lies. Our honoured allies chanting songs of war. Our respected foe clashing sword on shield in defiance of the challenge. The Star Fraction goes to war once more. The dream unfolds, the revolution continues. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.07.08 03:54:00 - [12] Nice to hear that SF is coming back to low-sec. See you guys out there.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.07.08 05:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Verone Good luck to the Freecaptains, however be warned that there are some severely underhanded pilots within the 24th, and Core Impulse. Confirming, Core Impulse has good pilots!
Mammal Tafren Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.07.08 05:45:00 - [14] Neat Comic book. I'm heading out to the corner store in Intaki 5-5 to buy one now. Or maybe I'll wait to get the whole story in trade paperback form. I want to know how Operation Impulse Control ends.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.08 07:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Verone Good luck to the Freecaptains, however be warned that there are some severely underhanded pilots within the 24th, and Core Impulse. Underhanded? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Math'ra Hiede Amarr Aureus Mashtori Auxilia	Posted - 2010.07.08 07:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Verone Good luck to the Freecaptains, however be warned that there are some severely underhanded pilots within the 24th, and Core Impulse. Underhanded? Underhanded, brutal and disgusting. This is a description for alot of pilots in all militias, the 24 IC is no exception. Exceptions to this rule are groups like the honourable Confido, who all loyal Capsuleers should admire and aim to be like. Fractionists can do their worst, I have yet to see their influences felt more than a minor annoyance, unless they change tactics. Then again, thats not ENTIRELY out of their capacity - I mean Jade at least has enough to put together a full length novel every time she opens her mouth here. Originally by: Solen Sean Innocence proves nothing
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.08 10:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Math'ra Hiede Underhanded, brutal and disgusting. This is a description for alot of pilots in all militias, the 24 IC is no exception. I was more trying to determine what a pirate organization like Veto considers underhanded. Cloaking technology? Jammers? Spies? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Abeer	Posted - 2010.07.08 10:58:00 - [18] The slaves dream of liberty, freedom and wellness, all this they can have after the life ended for them. On every battle god will stand with our force and will punish the anarchists and the friends of them. Every advantage is just another test in our faith. We will stand every test the infidels bring to us. Vengeance is the way and damnation the result for all infidels.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.08 11:05:00 - [19] I look forward to hearing of Core Impulse's successes. However, I would remind them that if their priority is victory over the Minmatar horde, then they should be careful about being distracted by irrelevances. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.08 11:06:00 - [20] Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:06:43 Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:05:51 Never thought I'd say it but Good Luck free captians. Be careful though as Verone said CORIM will use underhanded tatics. And merd your once again forgeting that Pirates have honour most militia corps dont. Logs of a Brutor
Zanco Ceal Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.07.08 13:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Dame Death And merd your once again forgeting that Pirates have honour most militia corps dont. what with these evil militia pilots changing corporations and switching loyalties every two days. NOT to be trusted!!! to SF. I only hope you fight more than you talk. This is me daring to dream
Farelle Gallente Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.08 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:06:43 Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:05:51 Never thought I'd say it but Good Luck free captians. Be careful though as Verone said CORIM will use underhanded tatics. And merd your once again forgeting that Pirates have honour most militia corps dont. define 'underhand'
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 14:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Ospie About time, been looking for a fight. Not sure about the huzzah bit though, the corp is entirely different to what we were then. We certainly do not underestimate you Ospie. This will be a stern test for the Fraction and our allies. You are capable and well-equipped, couragous and devoted to your regressive cause in Amarrian Nationalism. I suspect I will die and be reborn many times before this war is concluded. But its the way of a warrior-leader in New Eden to suffer such fates. Still we rise to the challenge and our past record in the warzone is full of achievement and sacrifice on both sides. To the fights ahead I salute you. Join the Revolution!
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Zanco Ceal Originally by: Dame Death And merd your once again forgeting that Pirates have honour most militia corps dont. what with these evil militia pilots changing corporations and switching loyalties every two days. NOT to be trusted!!! to SF. I only hope you fight more than you talk. This is me daring to dream Eliza sighs that is all in the past sweetie. Logs of a Brutor
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:27:00 - [25] Core Impulse claims first Victory in the Corim - SF war as New Genesis Inc decides to abandon their comrades in SF and leaves the alliance in fear of Core Impulse. Quote: New Genesis Inc Retracts War Against Core Impulse From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.07.08 00:38 The war between New Genesis Inc and Core Impulse is coming to an end. New Genesis Inc has retracted the war against Core Impulse. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. At this rate Star Fraction are looking at losing their remaining corporations in a few days. Time will tell though.
Zoarial	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Zoarial on 08/07/2010 15:37:00 Im not sure if its just me or if there is another toon out there that finds this just as silly as i do? with in a matter of months core impulse is said to have taken over amarr FW and conqured the mimys... i would disagree with that for a sole corp couldn't conqure this feet even if they tried, what core impules has done is they have united amarrians to fight insted of die at the guns of thease minmys. and with in months the minmatrs fell to the point were they no longer fleet up agianst us or even stay to fight they say we blob? it is only a blob when ur milita doesnt have the moral or the necesity to form up and fight a 10 man fleet. Fc are said to be those of "underhanded" abilitys??? If anyone of thease people who belive in "underehanded" abilitys have ever spent time in 0.0 they would understand that underhandedness is pvp and for those of u who do not understand what underhandedness is it means to be tricky. our FC are not tricky they are smart recorsfull and cunning. we start fleets in hopes of one or two guys to pew pew with and in a matter of moments we have to make two more squads because of the sheer strengths we have given the amarrian milita they are the true heros of this war not core impulse if u were to look at the fleet make up of anyoe of our fleets ud see at most two core impulse pilots.So i question why Star Fraction belives it it there New "quest" to take us down, to kill what they call the might of the amarrian milita for it is not core impuse who is that might but the entire amarr milita its self. and to decleare war on core impulse is to declare war on the amarr milita and its allies.... Now i am more than willing to fight and most likely die to thease SF tools and im asure it will be a fight of epic proportions... that said, SF will not be cuting off the head of the amarrin snake but will be cutting of the head of a hydra, and as SF runs back to there 0.0 i will wonder why they had to fight insted of do exactly the opposite of unite the minmatar under a single cause. now that to me would be a true fight.
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:38:00 - [27] If you resemble your so called friends ROSS on the battlefield, this will be no War to speak of. This minor altercation may provide some entertainment in our otherwise unremarkable daily cull of the over populated freed slave race. Our commitment to the Empire and willingness to do ANYTHING to prevail will not be hindered. The Minmattar shall burn as bright under the might of our laser beams today, as they will tomorrow. In the end your presence will have ment nothing.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Core Impulse claims first Victory in the Corim - SF war as New Genesis Inc decides to abandon their comrades in SF and leaves the alliance in fear of Core Impulse. Quote: New Genesis Inc Retracts War Against Core Impulse From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.07.08 00:38 The war between New Genesis Inc and Core Impulse is coming to an end. New Genesis Inc has retracted the war against Core Impulse. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. At this rate Star Fraction are looking at losing their remaining corporations in a few days. Time will tell though. You may certainly claim this victory if you wish Dunn Idaho. But I will say that New Genesis Inc. were trialing with the Star Fraction for the last month or so and last night I took the decision in discussion with alliance directors that we didn't consider the trial had ended in a successful integration of interest and alliance culture and it would be better to separate ways on the eve of war than later on in the process. This decision doesn't reflect badly on N.GEN whatsoever who were eager to fight in the war and disappointed the trial was ended unsuccessfully and we intend to maintain positive standings with N.GEN and have invited them to continue to utilize our 0.0 assets and infrastructure in YWS0-Z. All part of the business of corporation and alliance leadership really. But as I say you may certainly count this as a symbol of victory as you like and perhaps seek the unravelling of our other corporate allies by the same timescale if you think its an achievable objective smiles. But lets see. War in space often proceeds in ways we none of us expect. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:18:00 - [29] Good luck Core Impulse. As Admiral Blake, I look forward to hearing of your many successes as well. Hopefully I'll even be there to participate in them..
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:32:00 - [30] War is good. Good luck to both. May it be a very profitable war in the region. Pirate Alliances and Corporations wanting to take advantage of the busy scenario to come are welcome to do so. I'll finance your operations to make things more interesting to all. Contact me privately. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Koronakesh Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Farelle Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:06:43 Edited by: Dame Death on 08/07/2010 11:05:51 Never thought I'd say it but Good Luck free captians. Be careful though as Verone said CORIM will use underhanded tatics. And merd your once again forgeting that Pirates have honour most militia corps dont. define 'underhand' Well, hello there lover. Let's have some fun dancing out there.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.08 17:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Revan Neferis War is good. Good luck to both. May it be a very profitable war in the region. Pirate Alliances and Corporations wanting to take advantage of the busy scenario to come are welcome to do so. I'll finance your operations to make things more interesting to all. Contact me privately. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik I love it when a war becomes a social event beautiful one. I hope it means all the best people will be coming to Kamela soon xxx Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.08 17:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Jade Constantine I love it when a war becomes a social event beautiful one. I hope it means all the best people will be coming to Kamela soon xxx It means what It means when I happen to take interest on what I see. The interpretation of this sentence can vary depending of who reads it, to Amarr nationalists for example, it translates in panic and trauma along the years. Did I mention revolutions? Diplomatic aggressive negotiations? Champagne shattered flutes? A social event indeed. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Garst Tyrell No.Mercy	Posted - 2010.07.08 18:14:00 - [34]
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2010.07.08 18:23:00 - [35] ^^ what he said.
Kin'Tarr Minmatar Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.08 18:54:00 - [36] Hopefully you won't provide us with an anticlimax since im rather looking forward to this. K.O.S
Neu Bastian Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.07.08 20:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Farelle define 'underhand' its when the hand... goes under. Quote: Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 00:25:00 - [38] As the Star Fraction has listed the ways a corporation or alliance can become "red" or "-10" to them I'm wondering which of those ways Core Impulse qualified to be wardec'd by the Star Fraction. Did they fire on you or threaten you first? Or is this another example of the anarchists causing violence and mayhem in their piratical quest for chaos? I ask because having them say they are coming to the aid of another group (ROSS) is very un-anarchistic of them. After all they've always said as they cleared out Mito of loyalists that the locals should learn to fight for themselves and not be dependent on the loyalists for protection. Is the Star Fraction now tossing aside that belief and running to the aid of someone else? As for another corporation leaving the Star Fraction I hardly believe this will be the last. Despite the image of dancing under sunny skies in a field of flowers they paint things aren't so great in anarchistland right now. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 02:08:00 - [39] Edited by: Fridarey on 09/07/2010 02:13:14 Originally by: Archbishop Did they fire on you or threaten you first? Yes. Consequently were set red for the aggression. As for the rest of your nonsense stop lying, its getting pathetic.
Punx Evangeline	Posted - 2010.07.09 03:04:00 - [40] Give them hell Free Captains. -Evangeline ________________________ Compared to mine... what is your crime?
Nefher Zhila Amarr Khar Orda	Posted - 2010.07.09 04:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Revan Neferis War is good. Good luck to both. May it be a very profitable war in the region. Pirate Alliances and Corporations wanting to take advantage of the busy scenario to come are welcome to do so. I'll finance your operations to make things more interesting to all. Contact me privately. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Well, well... A pirate supporter and ex-slaver(or better yet, slaver in disguise). I wonder just how supportive is Ushra'khan of the likes of you. I'm sure those words will come back to haunt you, like many you proclaimed in the past. But i wouldn't worry too much, I would bet your demise isn't too far ahead, you just don't see it. Worst regards. Nefher Zhila. Khanid Loyalist,Bahadir of Family Zhila. Khanum Khar Orda.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.09 05:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Nefher Zhila I wonder... You're at least 5 years late. Rest your brain. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 08:27:00 - [43] Just so everyone's in the know, what metrics will SF be using to decide if they've been successful? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.09 09:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Rodj Blake Just so everyone's in the know, what metrics will SF be using to decide if they've been successful? Star Fraction was in the past unable to aid the Matari enough to even capture Kamela (their base of operations) in a whole year of operations and their military successes were mediocre at best. It has become obvious to me that Star Fraction does not care much about tactical victories, much less strategic victories. They care about exposure, visibility, reputation, fame, relevance and signficance. Therefore I think the number of posts made by non-allies on the IGS about this campaign would be the best metric. Considering the operation is named 'Impulse Control', usings posts on IGS as metric is kind of poetic as well. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 10:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Rodj Blake Just so everyone's in the know, what metrics will SF be using to decide if they've been successful? Your tears. Buy Justice!
He11sing	Posted - 2010.07.09 11:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Just so everyone's in the know, what metrics will SF be using to decide if they've been successful? Your tears. Your constant failure.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:38:00 - [47] Regardless of the toothless grinding of old failed Amarrian loyalists in this thread the message of our intentions, methodology and measures of success or failure are all clearly indicated in the op. We are here to help our friends and comrades and put regressive nationalists to the sword. All else is irrelevant detail. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Jade Constantine Regardless of the toothless grinding of old failed Amarrian loyalists in this thread the message of our intentions, methodology and measures of success or failure are all clearly indicated in the op. We are here to help our friends and comrades and put regressive nationalists to the sword. All else is irrelevant detail. In other words, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Rodj Blake In other words, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. We leave that strategy to Militant Amarrian Nationalists that hold rallys to the military strength of the Amarrian Empire chanting "AMARR VICTOR" in closed chat channels while their war enemies fully occupy space and superior position beyond the docking bays half a kilometer away. Don't give up the day job Blake. You really are terrible at propaganda. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Rodj Blake In other words, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. No. We leave that sort of thing to people who squat in churches raving 'Amarr Victor' when they are outclassed in every way. As Jade Constantine has said, the objective is clear enough from the announcement post. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:04:00 - [51] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake In other words, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. No. We leave that sort of thing to people who squat in churches raving 'Amarr Victor' when they are outclassed in every way. As Jade Constantine has said, the objective is clear enough from the announcement post. The Cosmopolite Your objective may be reasonably clear, but there is no mention of how it will be determined whether or not that objective has been met. For example, Operation Castrato opened with this: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments. As such it was relatively easy to decide if you were successful or not. So why won't you do the same this time? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:14:00 - [52] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake In other words, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. No. We leave that sort of thing to people who squat in churches raving 'Amarr Victor' when they are outclassed in every way. As Jade Constantine has said, the objective is clear enough from the announcement post. The Cosmopolite Get out of my mind Cosmo! Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:22:00 - [53] This is a different campaign with different objectives. It would be artificial to rely on metrics not precisely relevant to our particular goals. Speaking personally, I view our Minmatar allies as the proper judges of whether or not we are successful in this effort. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:28:00 - [54] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/07/2010 13:30:07 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/07/2010 13:29:36 Originally by: The Cosmopolite This is a different campaign with different objectives. It would be artificial to rely on metrics not precisely relevant to our particular goals. Speaking personally, I view our Minmatar allies as the proper judges of whether or not we are successful in this effort. The Cosmopolite So like I said before, no matter how things go you'll still claim victory. I'm sure that we'll see you decide to use some metrics to back up your claims after the event, whilst ignoring those that don't. Or of course you might surprise me and admit defeat like you did with Operation Castrato, although I recall that your metrics of choice left you with little option there and that you subsequently blamed the failure on Minmatars betraying you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:39:00 - [55] You can't help twist facts, can you? We accepted defeat in Operation Castrato and in part attributed this to the treachery of Republic Fleet commanders that we continue to believe had betrayed the cause of the brave Minmatar militia fighters of the Tribal Liberation Front. As for this campaign: we will claim victory if victorious and admit defeat if defeated. Just as we have with all our previous campaigns. In any event, this thread is about this new campaign. If you have points to make about other campaigns do so elsewhere. I have adequately indicated the basis on which we will judge our campaign and on which it will be judged by others. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 13:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Rodj Blake subsequently blamed the failure on Minmatars betraying you. The Minmatar people are not the treacherous Republic Fleet admirals discussed in these threads from the period. Your lies continue but as The Cosmopolite indicates, this thread is to announce and discuss our new campaign and your attempt to derail and subvert with meaningless drivel as you have in 100 other threads before is not welcome. Join the Revolution!
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.09 19:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Dame Death on 09/07/2010 19:01:00 May as well ask here. I am nuetrul to Sf, At least I havent got any mails saying otherwise. And yet 2 SF scimis decided to rep the targets I was engageing what happned to the NRDS ROE? They still lost the fight though they had us outnumbered bya few battleships. Logs of a Brutor
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 19:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 09/07/2010 19:01:00 May as well ask here. I am nuetrul to Sf, At least I havent got any mails saying otherwise. And yet 2 SF scimis decided to rep the targets I was engageing what happned to the NRDS ROE? They still lost the fight though they had us outnumbered bya few battleships. Star Fraction vessels will be providing remote rep support to our allies in this warzone. While there are any -10 24th Crusade Vessels in the vicinity be assured we will intervene. Are you declaring yourself hostile btw? Buy Justice!
Katie Dunn	Posted - 2010.07.09 19:11:00 - [59] Edited by: Katie Dunn on 09/07/2010 19:11:27 null post (wrong toon)
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.09 19:16:00 - [60] Was no 24th IC ships in the area they didnt have the guts to fight us. And no not yet just wondering what happened to NRDS. as if I remember the rule was "No rring against Nuetruls." Trust me the day I decalre myself hostile, if it happens your know it. Logs of a Brutor
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 19:19:00 - [61] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/07/2010 19:21:38 Originally by: Dame Death Was no 24th IC ships in the area they didnt have the guts to fight us. You'll appreciate that your word is not worth much with us. One too many times changing sides. Buy Justice!
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:45:00 - [62] http://jerks.machine9.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13497 no 24ic Logs of a Brutor
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 20:49:00 - [63] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/07/2010 20:52:26 Originally by: Dame Death http://jerks.machine9.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13497 no 24ic Python Cartel are -10 to the SF and enemies of ours. You were one of nine in that engagement with eight being enemies of the fraction. Our pilots were completely within their rights to rep our allies in those circumstances. Use a bit of common sense. Buy Justice!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.09 21:34:00 - [64] Now i feel your all drifting quite a bit off topic here. Isnt this tread about Operation Impulse Control ?
Cer'ana Minmatar Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 22:33:00 - [65] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Now i feel your all drifting quite a bit off topic here. Isnt this tread about Operation Impulse Control ? They are, and it is. Don't let 'em take away a thread all about you, Dunn
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.09 22:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Just so everyone's in the know, what metrics will SF be using to decide if they've been successful? Your tears. Ha! Jasmine wins the thread. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Cer'ana Originally by: Dunn Idaho Now i feel your all drifting quite a bit off topic here. Isnt this tread about Operation Impulse Control ? They are, and it is. Don't let 'em take away a thread all about you, Dunn Hey, you go to all this trouble making a tread about us, atleast you could do is show us the curtisy of staying on topic.
Sneaky Noob Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:23:00 - [68] ross isn't the only corp that has been fighting corim. a little credit to all the other militia corps that have been fighting them would be nice. The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.09 23:35:00 - [69] After a incedient this evening I retract my pior words CORIM may use underhanded tatics at times but they do have Honour at least the CEO does. Logs of a Brutor
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.10 08:58:00 - [70] Originally by: Bluejacket CT Nice to hear that SF is coming back to low-sec. See you guys out there. Despite my no longer being a "member" of The Star Fraction Bluejacket Ct... I would like to say that that -SF- holds their friends and allies very close to their hearts. They may have left low security status systems temporarily, but this should never be considered as retreat or abandonment. I am pleased to bear witness to your continued support and expect -SF- to do the same for you in turn. For individuality For friendship For FREEDOM I wish you all the best. A new EVE community
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.10 09:11:00 - [71] Edited by: Icarus3 on 10/07/2010 09:14:03 Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 09/07/2010 19:01:00 May as well ask here. I am nuetrul to Sf, At least I havent got any mails saying otherwise. And yet 2 SF scimis decided to rep the targets I was engageing what happned to the NRDS ROE? They still lost the fight though they had us outnumbered bya few battleships. Aside from what has "ALREADY" been stated Dame Death... You being a former comrade, I must be honest with your here. CHOSE YOUR SIDE! At one moment you are an ally of The Star Fraction and request their assistance(if you wish to challenge this I have the communication logs myself) and the next you are bashing and/or insulting The Star Fraction. With all this being said to you honestly expect anyone in the universe to take you seriously? To legitimize your claims? God forbid! To sympathize? It is time you discontinue playing these pathetic games, choose your allegiance and stick to it. Fight for freedom the first time and I call you "saved" Turn away from the fight for freedom and I call you "an unfortunate loss" Flop back and forth between the two a dozen times and I call you "foolhardy" NRDS or NBSI isn't the question here. The question is ethics which I suggest you question yourself on. I suggest you do so before the rest of the universe does if they've not begun to do so already. A new EVE community
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.10 10:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Icarus3 Aside from what has "ALREADY" been stated Dame Death... You being a former comrade, I must be honest with your here. CHOSE YOUR SIDE! It is time you discontinue playing these pathetic games, choose your allegiance and stick to it. Mr. Icarus, if there is one ultimate expression of capsuleer freedom and anarchy in this universe, it would be Eliza. What you are demanding of her has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of choice or anarchy. You are demanding of another that they should never change their mind after having chosen a certain path. I cannot help but wonder that so-called 'anarchists' are just paying lip-service to the movement of political anarchy and their primary goal is merely to cause death and destruction. They keep reaching for traditionalist and imperialist principles. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.10 11:59:00 - [73] Originally by: Icarus3 CHOSE YOUR SIDE! My side is whoever isnt in my sights at the time or the people marked freindly to me. A very few people know where my loyatitlys lay and to behonest i dont see a need to change that. If I'm by your side in batle rest assusard I'll hold my ground and shoot the other direction. If Im not well................. Being solo means I have to ask for assience from old contacts doesnt mean if their not blue we wont shoot each other after. Logs of a Brutor
Sandira Lek	Posted - 2010.07.10 22:05:00 - [74] Words... just words... and the Minmatar continue to die in our hands. Where is the almighty Minmatar saviour? Answer: one Scimitar logistics in the Minmatar fleet. The Ushra'Kahn tried to help and failed. Battle Report Where is this so called SF battle group?
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.11 03:06:00 - [75] Indeed. We are failing to locate any SF fleets. I guess this is just another Jade Constantine NovelÖ
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.11 03:12:00 - [76] Patience Ospie. Wars are like fine liquor, they aren't made in a couple of days - these things take months to develop. Join the Revolution!
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.11 03:51:00 - [77] How long will the minmatar people have to suffer under our boots whilst Star Fraction bureaucracy sorts itself out?
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.11 08:47:00 - [78] Originally by: Jade Constantine Patience Ospie. Wars are like fine liquor, they aren't made in a couple of days - these things take months to develop. As is enlightenment. Freedom isn't granted in a couple of days - these things may take generations to develop. But if you are not in any hurry to contribute to the freedom of others, I'm sure you'll understand my perspective. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.11 11:17:00 - [79] Even if Star Fraction and the Minmatar militia succeeded in a new offensive, you will find the same emptiness I did. The Tribal Liberation Force is not dedicated to freedom, but to murder. The TLF is no road to "freedom", or abolition of slavery. ------------------------------------------------
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.07.11 14:13:00 - [80] Always amusing to see SF work with the minmatar. They always seem to be 1 step behind them. Like herding cattle.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.11 17:14:00 - [81] I recall Core Impulse from the Andeh days. Quite a change from a small pirate group preying on Amarr traders and industrialist in lower Domain eh? ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.11 20:00:00 - [82] Originally by: Sneaky Noob EDIT: lol@dame complaining that SF were providing logistics support. afaik the people YOU where providing logi for are all -10 to SF. derp. Yeh but its always fun winding SF up was wondering when someone would bring that up :P Logs of a Brutor
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.11 21:42:00 - [83] Edited by: ChipMo on 11/07/2010 21:43:41 Originally by: Dame Death Originally by: Sneaky Noob EDIT: lol@dame complaining that SF were providing logistics support. afaik the people YOU where providing logi for are all -10 to SF. derp. Yeh but its always fun winding SF up was wondering when someone would bring that up :P http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304868 So much for that eh? Guess I was right about you. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.07.11 23:06:00 - [84] Originally by: ChipMo Edited by: ChipMo on 11/07/2010 21:43:41 Originally by: Dame Death Originally by: Sneaky Noob EDIT: lol@dame complaining that SF were providing logistics support. afaik the people YOU where providing logi for are all -10 to SF. derp. Yeh but its always fun winding SF up was wondering when someone would bring that up :P http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304868 So much for that eh? Guess I was right about you. That still stands I said **** then I shouldnt off. But hen your ceo is taking potshots and Myself and Mine shouldnt I be able to return? Chuckles Plus it is kinda funny. Logs of a Brutor
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:10:00 - [85] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 12/07/2010 13:11:27 ...so ...Core Impulse ...Lower Domain Pirate corp ...preying on Amarrian traders, industrialists and even loyalists. I occasionally got in fire fights with them myself in my somewhat less complicated days. Is this another No.Mercy thing? You know where the 24th Crusade sees trouble on the Horizon and so turns to Criminals, Heathens and those who are condemned by the very laws of the Faith? I would like to remind this new gilded fleet that the last time the 24th went down this path of blissfully deviltry the very same dynamo who call Core Impulse out now was the one who broke your last rally cry around pirates wide open àand then she stomped on the **roach pieces. I guess I will never fathom the 24th Crusade and its counterfeit variation of Amarian "Loyalist". ****************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:26:00 - [86] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I guess I will never fathom the 24th Crusade and its counterfeit variation of Amarian "Loyalist". It is simple. Have certain standings, and you will be accepted, no questions asked. In fact, it is entirely possible for the 24th Crusade to accept Jericho Fraction if it wanted to join. Jericho Fraction could use this access to spy on channels, disrupt fleets and even declare war on other 24th corporations while within the 24th Crusade. Much like Jericho Fraction can base out of the 24th Crusade station in Kamela or even base itself out of EFA in Amarr. As with many Concord-mediated rules, they are nearly incomprehensible to regular capsuleers. Similarly why Concord forbids alliances to share their planetary resources with non-alliance members, regardless if they want to or not. Similarly why it is legal to buy and sell slaves in the Republic, but not to transport them. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.07.13 01:36:00 - [87] He he... "Impulse Control". That's... that's just a great name for an Anarchist operation to have. * Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom Chief Diplomatic Officer Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard!
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:20:00 - [88] As a long-time militia officer and Xia warrior of Huang Yinglong, I'm certain I speak for my entire corp when I say we welcome Star Fraction back to the fray. Plenty of Amarr slaver s***targets to go around. Kuan Yida bows
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.07.13 23:48:00 - [89] So, has... anything happened? -----
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.14 00:39:00 - [90] Originally by: Andreus LeHane So, has... anything happened? Yes, many things. How about your empty life? Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.14 05:54:00 - [91] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Andreus LeHane So, has... anything happened? Yes, many things. How about your empty life? Actually no, unless you're considering the mass of posts your alliance is posting into this thread. To date we are admittedly on the losing end, however seeing as SF will not engage us during our active periods we are seeing no actual effect from this war. If anything morale is up (though more due to the knocking out of various of our interplanetary teams from the sport known as football). That said the actual activity in this war has been minimal and also has been outside our active periods, as such it's clear that Star Fraction and it's collaborate are not keen to actually engage us. We see them as a force which cannot actually provide the force their mouth so readily runs, this is a war on the forums and little more. In terms for propaganda we are gaining more than Star Fraction, as we have always lived up to what we have stated we would do whilst Star Fraction wallows in its leaders illusions of grandeur, and as such we see ourselves holding the upper hand till such a time as they collectively engage us on the battlefield, a time we anticipate fearlessly.
Tekumze Wolf Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.14 06:22:00 - [92] And he says that one day after the fleet you had(or were in) pretty much disbanded after we tried to chase you. Not that I blame you as you had an inferior force at the time but you can't say we're doing nothing. A fair assessment would be that right now it feels like chess with where each side is probing for weakness. Other then an occasional gank of a careless pilot both sides have been pretty good at avoiding engagements they know they can't win.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.14 07:53:00 - [93] Originally by: Ospie In fact there are several pirate alliances which are causing us more trouble Interesting Information. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:36:00 - [94] unless Jade gets ****y over http://www.core-impulse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11549 and mounts a retaliation gang thats worth actually fighting, this war is all but over. What a disappointment, i thought star fraction were better than this. Efforts to dampen our campain agianst the minmatar has been unaffective and direction confrontations few and far between. All mouth and no trousers when it comes to star fraction im afriad.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:11:00 - [95] Originally by: Muad 'dib What a disappointment, i thought star fraction were better than this. Efforts to dampen our campain agianst the minmatar has been unaffective and direction confrontations few and far between. All mouth and no trousers when it comes to star fraction im afriad. You probably need to be patient. At present it is quite clear our strong gangs are missing each other and when we come to Huola you are content to remain docked at the station there with 24th crusade support (entirely appropriate support mind) and in your strong times we avoid outnumbered engagements too. The war is low intensity at present because neither side is prepared to take many risks. Doubtless an attack on a starbase tower would increase the tempo, as would more obvious bait. Still, even with my hilariously unfortunate Orca loss yesterday we are winning on the raw exchange of isk and hardware and the onus is probably on Core Impulse to change things up a gear if you are unhappy with the way the war is developing. Suffice to say SF is quite content to consider this a slow burning engagement that will doubtless heat up more when one side or the other is prepared to risk more on the field of battle. If you want the war to be over then you must win it. At the moment you are not. Join the Revolution!
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.07 11:18:00 - [96] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Muad 'dib What a disappointment, i thought star fraction were better than this. Efforts to dampen our campain agianst the minmatar has been unaffective and direction confrontations few and far between. All mouth and no trousers when it comes to star fraction im afriad. You probably need to be patient. At present it is quite clear our strong gangs are missing each other and when we come to Huola you are content to remain docked at the station there with 24th crusade support (entirely appropriate support mind) and in your strong times we avoid outnumbered engagements too. The war is low intensity at present because neither side is prepared to take many risks. Doubtless an attack on a starbase tower would increase the tempo, as would more obvious bait. Still, even with my hilariously unfortunate Orca loss yesterday we are winning on the raw exchange of isk and hardware and the onus is probably on Core Impulse to change things up a gear if you are unhappy with the way the war is developing. Suffice to say SF is quite content to consider this a slow burning engagement that will doubtless heat up more when one side or the other is prepared to risk more on the field of battle. If you want the war to be over then you must win it. At the moment you are not. Dear Jade, your goal was to disrupt our activities in the Amarr Militia. Although you may have gotten an occasional kill against us and are winning isk wise, you have thus far failed to achieve your objective. As such I would say we are winning based on the fact that apart from the occasional gang you send down to us, when we're at a numerical disadvantage, we have barely noticed your presence. As such it is up to you to take the initiative and try to bring the fight to us more often, as you are the ones who declared war on us and not vice versa. How many wars do you know where one side initiates and then is content sitting in its country expecting the targets to come to them instead? War is all about pushing forward, as such I will look forward to the fight where you attempt to do so.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.08 04:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Ramingo Dear Jade, your goal was to disrupt our activities in the Amarr Militia. Although you may have gotten an occasional kill against us and are winning isk wise, you have thus far failed to achieve your objective. Our enemies do not get to declare our goals. The op post in this thread will suffice for that. But otherwise I agree with you. We are winning but have thus far failed to achieve our objective. Nothing much to disagree with. Join the Revolution!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.08 11:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Ramingo Dear Jade, your goal was to disrupt our activities in the Amarr Militia. Although you may have gotten an occasional kill against us and are winning isk wise, you have thus far failed to achieve your objective. Our enemies do not get to declare our goals. The op post in this thread will suffice for that. But otherwise I agree with you. We are winning but have thus far failed to achieve our objective. Nothing much to disagree with. We're not the ones declearing your goals, you did that in the OP. and thats a goal your pretty far from reaching, and in no way are you gaining any ground in getting closer to achiving that goal.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.08 11:33:00 - [99] If what you say is so, I imagine it will be a long war. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2010.08.08 14:54:00 - [100] While undoubtedly you are winning the Isk war, and on kills as well. Let us look into these "kills" and the "winning" you are achiving. One quick glance at the Corims loss records under "SF campaign" will tell the public what they need to know. The majority of the loss's of Corims ships to The Star Fraction only contain one, max two, Sf pilots. Although I will fully agree that this is a form of agression. And a few volleys here, a target painter there can be classed as "combat". But this in-turn points out your failure to achive even basic combat within this war. The fact you employ "killmail ninja" tctics to buff out your kill record to make it appear that you are winning this war. Skulking in a fleet and feeding on the scraps of the fight may be a valid tactics to the Star Fraction. Is this one of your victory "Metrics" ?
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.08 15:58:00 - [101] Originally by: The Cosmopolite If what you say is so, I imagine it will be a long war. The Cosmopolite How long will you stretch this out before concluding that you will not achieve anything of value in this war?
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.08 16:02:00 - [102] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Ramingo Dear Jade, your goal was to disrupt our activities in the Amarr Militia. Although you may have gotten an occasional kill against us and are winning isk wise, you have thus far failed to achieve your objective. Our enemies do not get to declare our goals. The op post in this thread will suffice for that. But otherwise I agree with you. We are winning but have thus far failed to achieve our objective. Nothing much to disagree with. Yeaahhh....thats not winning.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.08 20:53:00 - [103] Originally by: BattleStar Crusader One quick glance at the Corims loss records under "SF campaign" will tell the public what they need to know. The majority of the loss's of Corims ships to The Star Fraction only contain one, max two, Sf pilots. A quick glance at combat records can tell people all sorts of things that are not true. The above claim being something that is not true if you actually look at the record closely. I have and, believe me, I speak without fear of contradiction. Here is something that is true. Much Star Fraction combat has taken place alongside our allies on the Minmatar militia, brave fighters from such as ROSS, Ice Fire Warriors, Huang Yinglong, Hoplite Brigade, Tribal Core and Valklear Guard. I can't see a problem with that and I think it is clear from the announcement that this was always our intention. Our goals are laid out in that announcement and we're not out to make claims based off statistics or metrics. This is a war where we are fighting a foe that needs to be fought, slaver crusaders, alongside allies we have forged strong and longstanding bonds with. It's as simple as that. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2010.08.08 21:24:00 - [104] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Ospie In fact there are several pirate alliances which are causing us more trouble Interesting Information. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Are you willing to elaborate? I notice just today in Roushzar the pirate Aodha Khan has been involved in the killing of a Core Impluse leader known as Ospie. Aodha Khan was quite a notable anti-Amarr pro-matari Terrorist and Blood Raider collaborator. The Blood Raider cult seem to have become an additional mantel of power you have added to your growing constituency of influence; perhaps there is a connection?
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.08 22:45:00 - [105] Edited by: Merdaneth on 08/08/2010 22:46:28 Originally by: The Cosmopolite I can't see a problem with that and I think it is clear from the announcement that this was always our intention. Our goals are laid out in that announcement and we're not out to make claims based off statistics or metrics. This is a war where we are fighting a foe that needs to be fought, slaver crusaders, alongside allies we have forged strong and longstanding bonds with. It's as simple as that. Fighting alongside one's allies is indeed a wise thing to do. Star Fraction has made not promises not to fight alongside their allies, and I cannot think of any reason why they shouldn't. However, if one frequently fights among allies, then it is also wise to adjust one's own combat statistics for the involvement of those allies. If a T3 Cruiser worth some 750 million is destroyed by one SF frigate and 14 allied vessels, then perhaps SF should only count that for 1/15th of the total worth as their personal kill tally? So, either make a small and fairly basic adjustment of your database, or stop using your artificially inflated statistics as a direct measurement of war progress. Yes, this is not directed at you Cosmopolite, but at Ms. Constantine. I much prefer her to write a campaign progress report than quibble over meaningless statistics. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.08 23:11:00 - [106] Originally by: Merdaneth I much prefer As always the preferences of deceitful Amarrian Nationalists are irrelevant to the actions and ambitions of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 11:54:00 - [107] Originally by: Merdaneth So, either make a small and fairly basic adjustment of your database, or stop using your artificially inflated statistics as a direct measurement of war progress. Yes, this is not directed at you Cosmopolite, but at Ms. Constantine. I much prefer her to write a campaign progress report than quibble over meaningless statistics. You're asking us to stop doing something we're not doing. Be honest, for a change, and tell me who brought statistics or ISK into this thread in the first place. Let me give you a clue: it wasn't Jade Constantine. As stated before, the true measure will be the judgement of our allies. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 15:13:00 - [108] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Be honest, for a change, and tell me who brought statistics or ISK into this thread in the first place. Let me give you a clue: it wasn't Jade Constantine. Who brought it up the isk/asset kill loss ratio is somewhat irrelevant. The objective of your campaign is to æcontrolÆ the core impulse corporation. The first post by Jade indicates that the minmatar scoundrels have had a tough ride over the past months (buhu) and are in need of support, yet the minmatar fight alone as usual, the same as before you arrived since your minimal presence arrived. Perhaps if you had named your æoperationÆ if one could even call it that, ôOperation Slightly get in the way once a day somtimes in a frigate and try to bug Core Impulseö you could declare it a success, maybe. You have set yourselves an unattainable goal Star Fraction and listening to the constant and unrealistic rants from your leader(s) will soon send you all crazy and depressed, this war will never be won while you set yourselves unachievable goals. Star Fraction is breaking up into smaller fractions and no longer rounds up to a whole competent entity. Give up and go home wannabe merc failures.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 15:17:00 - [109] Originally by: Big MackDaddy Who brought it up the isk/asset kill loss ratio is somewhat irrelevant. Well it was you guys of course Quote: The first post by Jade indicates that the minmatar scoundrels have had a tough ride over the past months (buhu) and are in need of support, yet the minmatar fight alone as usual, the same as before you arrived since your minimal presence arrived. The object of the campaign is to help our allies. We are helping our allies. Yes the war is a long way from being won. But if you want to decisively help us "lose it" then you will need to do more than lurk sullenly in the docking range of Huola station 22 hours day yourselves. Join the Revolution!
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 15:41:00 - [110] Originally by: Jade Constantine you are not really putting much effort in. Its our home, we do not need to. You do however need to up your own efforts if you plan to keep up your threat of controlling us. Also any incresed effort to kick you from our space is rather piontless since your presence and activity is so low its basicly a non-issue. I thought id fight you where i can find you, safe and sound airing your piontless rants on the forum.
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:08:00 - [111] Originally by: Jade Constantine Even with the support of the Tribal Liberation wolves. Who ?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:37:00 - [112] Originally by: Big MackDaddy I thought id fight you where i can find you, safe and sound airing your piontless rants on the forum. You are the one engaging in pointless rants. Perhaps you should come back when you have improved your performance in space a bit? Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:14:00 - [113] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You're asking us to stop doing something we're not doing. Be honest, for a change, and tell me who brought statistics or ISK into this thread in the first place. To my knowledge is was ms. Constantine who first brought up ISK values while it was Core Impulse that first brought up ship losses. If ms. Constantine agrees with me that such statistics are not relevant to the current war then I would suggest she stops using them to claim victory. If I suggested that ms. Constantine was solely responsible for starting this debate, then I was wrong. However, to me it seems she wants to mention such to score cheap propaganda victories while you work to retain plausible deniability when the ship loss numbers or ISK war are not in your favor. Originally by: The Cosmopolite As stated before, the true measure will be the judgement of our allies. It is funny that you say that since those that don't support you or are unhappy with you automatically get removed from your list of 'allies'. In fact, if Star Fraction alienates so many of her allies that only Revan Neferis is left it will have ensured a glorious victory. I agree therefore that the operation it is aptly named. Ms. Constantine's control over her own impulses is vital to victory or defeat. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:17:00 - [114] Originally by: Merdaneth To my knowledge is was ms. Constantine who first brought up ISK values while it was Core Impulse that first brought up ship losses. Originally by: Ramingo Dear Jade, your goal was to disrupt our activities in the Amarr Militia. Although you may have gotten an occasional kill against us and are winning isk wise You are still telling lies Merdaneth. You are easily caught out. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:21:00 - [115] Originally by: Merdaneth If ms. Constantine agrees with me that such statistics are not relevant to the current war then I would suggest she stops using them to claim victory. Once again the suggestions of a deceitful Amarrian Nationalist are entirely without merit. As indeed is the false suggestion that I used such measures to claim any kind of victory. I said by certain measures it could be considered we were "winning". I certainly didn't claim to have "won". This war has a long long way to go before we come close to any announcement of that kind. Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Jade Constantine misclicked again. Impulse control my dear, impulse control.... ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:35:00 - [117] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: The Cosmopolite You're asking us to stop doing something we're not doing. Be honest, for a change, and tell me who brought statistics or ISK into this thread in the first place. To my knowledge is was ms. Constantine who first brought up ISK values while it was Core Impulse that first brought up ship losses. If ms. Constantine agrees with me that such statistics are not relevant to the current war then I would suggest she stops using them to claim victory. If I suggested that ms. Constantine was solely responsible for starting this debate, then I was wrong. However, to me it seems she wants to mention such to score cheap propaganda victories while you work to retain plausible deniability when the ship loss numbers or ISK war are not in your favor. First, neither Jade Constantine nor Core Impulse were the first to mention statistics in this thread. That's a simple fact. Second, Jade Constantine has not claimed victory using such figures, she merely indicated that by that measure we were ahead. But that doesn't amount to relying on that measure and we don't. Third, it seems to me that you want to discount any statistics that even tend to indicate we are winning us while you will happily make use of statistics that indicate we are losing. That;s up to you but I don't think it's convincing. I'm quite happy to say that if statistics indicate we are doing very badly then they have to be borne in mind when looking at the full picture. At least as a factor. I don't think they're necessarily an over-riding factor though and wouldn't particularly think so either way they fell. We've consistently said we don't rely on statistics for determining success or failure in this war. It is also far to early in this war to begin trying to assess it. If others bring up such measures to try to make claims about us, though, we are entitled to answer them. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:22:00 - [118] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Second, Jade Constantine has not claimed victory using such figures, she merely indicated that by that measure we were ahead. But that doesn't amount to relying on that measure and we don't. She didn't claim she was ahead, she claimed Star Fraction was winning. It means she sees being ahead on the ISK as a indicator of final victory. She linked ISK and winning, no one else did. Originally by: The Cosmopolite Third, it seems to me that you want to discount any statistics that even tend to indicate we are winning, while you will happily make use of statistics that indicate we are losing. That's up to you but I don't think it's convincing. I think statistics and ISK can be used as indicators, but only if used appropriately and wisely. For example, I would probably never use ISK against ms. Constantine as an indicator of victory, knowing that any losses she suffers will likely not cause her to go bankrupt or start cutting back on ships. If you are waging this war primarily to impress or placate your allies, then yes, their opinion can be a valid measurement of final victory. As she seems bent on using these, I merely suggested to change the way you calculate your statistics to come up with a more accurate picture. Originally by: The Cosmopolite We've consistently said we don't rely on statistics for determining success or failure in this war. It is also far too early in this war to begin trying to assess it. If others bring up such measures to try to make claims about us, though, we are entitled to answer them. You have, and you have been consistent in this. In most things I read from Ms. Constantine, she seems to disagree with you and seems very much concerned with such figures. Also, if the goal of this war truly is to impress your allies, I would suggest risking a bit more: Originally by: Jade Constantine The war is low intensity at present because neither side is prepared to take many risks Not being prepared to take any risk on behalf of your allies doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:29:00 - [119] Originally by: Merdaneth Not being prepared to take any risk on behalf of your allies doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me. Again your opinions mean very little. You have no understanding of our military strategy and have no real involvement with the warzone. As a peanut gallery pundit your value in such discussions (never very great to begin with) was rendered null at around the time you left PIE. Join the Revolution!
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:55:00 - [120] does ITTigerClawIK know what a douche he shares corp space with? Tiger, shug, ditch the cull...he is a gonna bring your whole alliance down. ******************************** The Final Stand Forum Fate Assembly Forum
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:57:00 - [121] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss does ITTigerClawIK know what a douche he shares corp space with? You know, I've often asked ssuLost, Frozenfoxy and Declin Mactire the exact same thing. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:01:00 - [122] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Big MackDaddy I thought id fight you where i can find you, safe and sound airing your piontless rants on the forum. You are the one engaging in pointless rants. Perhaps you should come back when you have improved your performance in space a bit? I never claimed to be any good at politics or talking chatting bla bla bla. Its a disgrace i have to come here to interact with a Star Fraction member who should know his way round a combat ship. However by quoting me on what i had said, you pretty much proved my piont. I am here, because you are not in space. you should retract your war and save yourselfs a few million, this isnt going any where.
CF ProctoR Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:03:00 - [123] Dont retract the war, the targets you deliver is just more to shoot.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:03:00 - [124] Originally by: Big MackDaddy you should retract your war and save yourselfs a few million, this isnt going any where. Quit the Amarr milita and we will. But I think its probably a bit early for you to be thinking about surrender. Talk to us again in six months time. Join the Revolution!
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Big MackDaddy you should retract your war and save yourselfs a few million, this isnt going any where. Quit the Amarr milita and we will. But I think its probably a bit early for you to be thinking about surrender. Talk to us again in six months time. Your 'operation' does not effect me, i love to kill the minmatar and i shall continue regardless. The stuff on the forums saying we are hot drop happy or dishonerable etc i would rather stop and since thats all you guys are actually doing, i'll just have to ignore IG forum for 6 months instead. oh well.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:18:00 - [126] Originally by: Big MackDaddy The stuff on the forums saying we are hot drop happy or dishonerable etc i would rather stop and since thats all you guys are actually doing, i'll just have to ignore IG forum for 6 months instead. oh well. Don't confuse our words with the words of other people. We've described you in pretty respectful terms publicy and I'd like to think you have found our clashes in space to be honestly fought with very little dodginess. If you want to maintain a respectful mood it is easy to do - just don't be sucked into the nonsense of our ordinary peanut-gallery forum trolls. Join the Revolution!
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:24:00 - [127] Edited by: Big MackDaddy on 09/08/2010 19:25:39 true, Star Fraction have not directly 'smacked' us i will give you that however these long posts attract the trolls and that can taint our otherwise good name. Looking forward to the next meaningful engagement and i hope it can be in space ^^
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:26:00 - [128] Originally by: Big MackDaddy Looking forward to the next meaningful engagement and i hope it can be in space ^^ Agreed. See you out there! Join the Revolution!
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:40:00 - [129] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss does ITTigerClawIK know what a douche he shares corp space with? You know, I've often asked ssuLost, Frozenfoxy and Declin Mactire the exact same thing. i wasn't aware you had joined DX4... poor simple Andreus, if you'd back off that lilt affectation, stop throwing tantrums and get a handle on your insecurities you might be tolerable.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss i wasn't aware you had joined DX4... I wasn't aware you'd joined Galactic Rangers. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss poor simple Andreus, if you'd back off that lilt affectation, stop throwing tantrums and get a handle on your insecurities you might be tolerable. Perhaps if you weren't a backstabbing coward who can't get his loyalties straight for ten seconds, learned to keep your promises, didn't... ah, hell, who am I kidding? You'd still be a complete bastard. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:55:00 - [131] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Perhaps if you weren't a backstabbing coward... Tomahawk Bliss has never been a coward and to my knowledge has never been renowned as a backstabber either. You on the other hand. Well, I admit its difficult to backstab anyone without undocking but I'm sure you've tried Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:04:00 - [132] Originally by: Jade Constantine Tomahawk Bliss has never been a coward and to my knowledge has never been renowned as a backstabber either. I notice you didn't correct me about his well-known ten-second loyalty attention span, though... ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:06:00 - [133] Probably because it is too absurd to even give a moment's consideration. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:25:00 - [134] Removed ooc/trolling comment. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:05:00 - [135] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Probably because it is too absurd to even give a moment's consideration. You obviously haven't read his corp history. If you thought Eran Mintor or Ankhsetwhatshername switched sides often... ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:19:00 - [136] I think Tomahawk Bliss can quite well defend himself but I will say that I am quite aware of his corporation history and, more to the point, I am aware of his overall ideological loyalties over time. While there has been an evolution in his thinking, it hardly indicates a tendency to switch sides every ten months, let alone every ten seconds. I can think of several positions in which Bliss has been quite consistent and only one major change which I myself consider to have been a highly positive one. So I do continue to think it's an absurd thing to say about him. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:42:00 - [137] Originally by: The Cosmopolite So I do continue to think it's an absurd thing to say about him. Right, because Eran Mintor can't ever turn back to the Minmatar after having been in the Amarr for a while - he'll always be a blood traitor. But after having served in such... "illustrious" corporations as the Ubiqua Seraph, Aegis Militia and INTAKI UNION (a corporation who claimed to seek independence for the Intaki but in truth were full of terrorists, murderers and ne'er-do-wells, dedicated to selling the homeworld into the hands of first the Amarrians, and now the Caldari - no seperatists they, but traitors and bastards to the last man), as well as the State Protectorate and various other Caldari coporations... I'm not saying I haven't changed corporations in my past but my loyalties always laid with the Federation. Perhaps Tomahawk is the same. But there are some pretty nasty conotations to that statement... ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Lord Maximullis Amarr Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:53:00 - [138] The enemy of my enemy... good luck.
Vikarion Caldari The Guardsmen	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:13:00 - [139] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'm not saying I haven't changed corporations in my past but my loyalties always laid with the Federation. Indeed. You have that half-admirable trait of being completely consistent in your choices, albeit consistently wrong. Ah, well, glass half-full and all that, I suppose. - - -
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 11:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris [ Right, because Eran Mintor can't ever turn back to the Minmatar after having been in the Amarr for a while - he'll always be a blood traitor. If he genuinely cared about restoring his reputation he probably should have avoided cringing apologies to the Amarrian Nationalists on Galnet and ongoing association with such collaborators and quisling organizations like Annwn Matari. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 12:51:00 - [141] Originally by: Jade Constantine collaborators and quisling organizations like Annwn Matari. I trust you have a similarly poor standard of proof for Annwn Matari's "collaboration" as you do for my own. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 12:57:00 - [142] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Jade Constantine collaborators and quisling organizations like Annwn Matari. I trust you have a similarly poor standard of proof for Annwn Matari's "collaboration" as you do for my own. I said you were an Amarrian boot-licker rather than a collaborator. I don't think the Crusaders would trust you enough to actually cooperate with you in any proceedure beyond having their footwear cleaned by your tongue Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:03:00 - [143] Originally by: Jade Constantine I said you were an Amarrian boot-licker rather than a collaborator. I don't think the Crusaders would trust you enough to actually cooperate with you in any proceedure beyond having their footwear cleaned by your tongue You really rather have an obsession with boots. I'm not entirely sure that it's the IGS business really, what you do in the privacy of your own pod, but I'm certain it's not the IGS' desire to know. I also noticed that you neatly evaded the question of what proof you have regarding Annwn Matari, but I really shouldn't expect anything other than blatant hypocricy from the valentire agent space hooker, should I? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:21:00 - [144] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I also noticed that you neatly evaded the question ... Why do you believe a person who never answers direct questions has any right to ask any questions? Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:49:00 - [145] Originally by: Jade Constantine Why do you believe a person who never answers direct questions has any right to ask any questions? I answer direct questions when they're asked by someone who deserves an answer. Someone who treats me with basic respect. I found it's easier to find Amarrians and Caldari who act that way than it is to find members of the Fraction. Perhaps if you were, on occasion to act in a manner reminiscent of a civilized, mature human being rather than that of an ignorant, spoilt child, people would have more respect for you, and might be more inclined to answer your questions. You might find it also helps in convincing people your views are valid, rather than the delusional rantings of a madwoman. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:50:00 - [146] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/08/2010 13:55:46 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris ... Someone who treats me with basic respect. I found it's easier to find Amarrians and Caldari who act that way ... I bet you do. But then thats rather the point isn't it? Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 14:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Jade Constantine I bet you do. But then thats rather the point isn't it? The point is that for a so-called "revolutionary" you're doing an excellent job of making the four empires look appealing. The point is that for someone who wants an unorthodox view to become widely accepted you're doing a spectacular job of making it seem like its only proponents are a bunch of ignorant, loudmouthed losers. The point, my dear girl, is that civility costs nothing, but incivility eventually racks up debts no man is capable of paying. You find it surprising I'm unwilling to answer questions yet not, I faith, that I know more civil Amarrians than I do civil Fraction members, but you don't infer from thost facts what that actually means - only what is convenient to your next insult. This, in the words of a great and noble philosopher, is why you suck. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 14:22:00 - [148] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris . You find it surprising I'm unwilling to answer questions I really don't. I never expected you to answer questions because I know you cannot. A Nationalist like yourself cannot survive in honest debate. Hence completely unsurprising that you avoid it like the plague. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 14:59:00 - [149] Originally by: Jade Constantine I really don't. I never expected you to answer questions because I know you cannot. A Nationalist like yourself cannot survive in honest debate. Hence completely unsurprising that you avoid it like the plague. And what would a former honeytrap and compulsive liar know about honest debate? You keep making these statements you can't back up, and when people refuse to treat you with respect you mistake lack of desire for absence of ability and loudly trumpet your victory to an uncaring crowd that clearly sees through your sham. Star Fraction is a sham - it exists solely for the self-aggrandizement of a cold, bitter, lonely sociopathic loser whose florid prose reads like the third-rate scrawlings of a political speechwriter from some godawful backwater town on Duripant V, railing against a world that doesn't recognise her "immense genius". I cannot imagine how soul-destroyingly depressing being you really is, what with the knowledge that Star Fraction will never, ever seriously threaten any of the empires it rails against, but I certainly do understand why you spend so much time on the IGS. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:04:00 - [150] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And what would a former honeytrap and compulsive liar know about honest debate? Why don't you tell us? Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:08:00 - [151] Couldn't tell you - unlike you, I'm neither. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:03:00 - [152] Consider this...Star Fraction makes a better ally than enemy, considering the situation that the Empires have found themselves in currently. This constant bickering and backbiting that is evident here is a waste of time and resources that can be used to a more constructive end. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:09:00 - [153] Originally by: Syn Callibri Consider this... Okay. Done considering. It's a terrible idea. Here's why. Originally by: Syn Callibri Star Fraction makes a better ally than enemy Time has not bourne that conclusion out particularly well. I have yet to see anyone who has particularly benefited from having them as an ally, and see only a handful of people who've really suffered that much from having them as an enemy. Originally by: Syn Callibri considering the situation that the Empires have found themselves in currently. The situation could well be considerably better if, for instance, Haledone Dorgiers didn't keep getting his ship blown up. Originally by: Syn Callibri This constant bickering and backbiting that is evident here is a waste of time and resources that can be used to a more constructive end. Oh, I strongly disagree. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:40:00 - [154] Originally by: Syn Callibri Consider this...Star Fraction makes a better ally than enemy, considering the situation that the Empires have found themselves in currently. This constant bickering and backbiting that is evident here is a waste of time and resources that can be used to a more constructive end. Star Fraction makes a much better enemy than ally. Their attention galvanizes their opponents and stops infighting. Nothing better to focus the troops then a truly despicable enemy. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:46:00 - [155] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/08/2010 16:47:03 Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Syn Callibri Consider this...Star Fraction makes a better ally than enemy, considering the situation that the Empires have found themselves in currently. This constant bickering and backbiting that is evident here is a waste of time and resources that can be used to a more constructive end. Star Fraction makes a much better enemy than ally. Their attention galvanizes their opponents and stops infighting. Nothing better to focus the troops then a truly despicable enemy. Doesn't do wonders for the longevity of their organizations though. Most of our enemies fall apart and become nothing. Lets face it you are not exactly a poster child for the success of the people we've fought are you? Our allies on the other hand. I hear very few complaints. Join the Revolution!
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.10 18:20:00 - [156] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 10/08/2010 18:20:28 Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Syn Callibri Consider this...Star Fraction makes a better ally than enemy, considering the situation that the Empires have found themselves in currently. This constant bickering and backbiting that is evident here is a waste of time and resources that can be used to a more constructive end. Star Fraction makes a much better enemy than ally. Their attention galvanizes their opponents and stops infighting. Nothing better to focus the troops then a truly despicable enemy. Your arrogance and self righteousness will be the down-fall of us all and accomplish nothing...save the destruction of all we know. I have no criticisms to hurl at the Free Captain...are your lives and actions so exemplary and unstained by "colorful" deeds that you can make yourselves living paragons of truth...Amarrian? And you my good Gallente pilot, is there nothing in your past that some would call...questionable? Unless you are pure of deed and thought you have no right to sling barbs at anyone. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
CF ProctoR Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.10 21:22:00 - [157] And another victory to the amarr! Combat report Ok jade,, Fine we won again we knew it , you knew it ! Badum tisch see ya next time ;)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.10 22:04:00 - [158] Its true you won a fight. Well done Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.10 22:34:00 - [159] Edited by: Merdaneth on 10/08/2010 22:36:08 Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Merdaneth Star Fraction makes a much better enemy than ally. Their attention galvanizes their opponents and stops infighting. Nothing better to focus the troops then a truly despicable enemy. Your arrogance and self righteousness will be the down-fall of us all and accomplish nothing...save the destruction of all we know. I am arrogant and self-righteous because I didn't agree with your opinion? Why does my opinion have to do with 'the destruction of all we know'? You say you prefer red, I say I prefer blue, and suddenly the universe will go to hell in a handbasket because I'm arrogant for preferring blue? Have you got a screw lose in your head? Originally by: Syn Callibri I have no criticisms to hurl at the Free Captain...are your lives and actions so exemplary and unstained by "colorful" deeds that you can make yourselves living paragons of truth...Amarrian? My opinion was not a criticism at Star Fraction, in fact, I praised them for their ability to be despicable enemies. And my life and actions are anything but exemplary, I'm full of failures, weaknesses and sin and am certainly not 'a living paragon of truth', whatever that is supposed to mean. I have to ask again, why are you mentioning this, do you have some psychological issues perhaps? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.11 13:28:00 - [160] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 11/08/2010 13:30:36 Originally by: Merdaneth Edited by: Merdaneth on 10/08/2010 22:36:08 Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Merdaneth Star Fraction makes a much better enemy than ally. Their attention galvanizes their opponents and stops infighting. Nothing better to focus the troops then a truly despicable enemy. Your arrogance and self righteousness will be the down-fall of us all and accomplish nothing...save the destruction of all we know. I am arrogant and self-righteous because I didn't agree with your opinion? Why does my opinion have to do with 'the destruction of all we know'? You say you prefer red, I say I prefer blue, and suddenly the universe will go to hell in a handbasket because I'm arrogant for preferring blue? Have you got a screw lose in your head? Originally by: Syn Callibri I have no criticisms to hurl at the Free Captain...are your lives and actions so exemplary and unstained by "colorful" deeds that you can make yourselves living paragons of truth...Amarrian? My opinion was not a criticism at Star Fraction, in fact, I praised them for their ability to be despicable enemies. And my life and actions are anything but exemplary, I'm full of failures, weaknesses and sin and am certainly not 'a living paragon of truth', whatever that is supposed to mean. I have to ask again, why are you mentioning this, do you have some psychological issues perhaps? Whether you agree with me or not has nothing to do with your arrogance...your responce to an opinion that disagrees and dares to question yours makes the case well enough on the subject I mention this because you're all begining to sound like holo-vids caught in a data loop, and not a very good holo-vid at that. What purpose does the constant hammering on Star Fraction serve? Who is bettered by it? What enemy is defeated by caustic words and mockery? If you have issue with the Fraction, settle them in space like warriors...if thats what you are. Of course, if your nothing more than a spineless and dispassionate politician by all means...carry on since words are the only weapons that seem you possess. The fact that you are an Amarrian is cause enough to have a issue with you. If you are unable to see the threats that face all of the empires you are not only arrogant and blind...you're ignorant as well. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.11 13:30:00 - [161] It was almost as if SF actually tryed to fight us last night, grats for the recent ball swelling, shame however it ended as we told you it would. After viewing the battle video recorded by one of our inteligance members - im really supprised by the way the co-ordination between SF and the minmatar republic was handled. Whoever the FC for that farce should not be FC again and if thats the best you have them i feel a bit sorry for you. Those that stayed and faught died with honour for their cause (respect.)however, most abaondoned their fleet mates in order to save their own selfish isk related agenda. SF are truly not the united focused fighting force their leaders would have us belive, though i not supprised. Perhaps forum fights only from now on then Jade?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 14:08:00 - [162] No, the war in space will continue, likely for some time to come. I don't think we need take any notice of the low-grade attempts to sow discord between ourselves and our allies. It is par for the course. As for the Star Fraction's unity, it's entirely intact. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:11:00 - [163] Originally by: Muad 'dib It was almost as if SF actually tryed to fight us last night, grats for the recent ball swelling, shame however it ended as we told you it would. After viewing the battle video recorded by one of our inteligance members - im really supprised by the way the co-ordination between SF and the minmatar republic was handled. Whoever the FC for that farce should not be FC again and if thats the best you have them i feel a bit sorry for you. Sometimes even a united force will lose battles Muad'dib. But the biggest challenge any organization faces is fighting when the odds are against and the chance of victory is slim at best. The Fraction fights and fights hard while our enemies fear even to try. This is not something I am ashamed of in the slightest. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:58:00 - [164] Just a sidenote to something that Merdaneth mentioned a few posts back. Star Fraction does have spies in the Amarr Milita, and I have proof. -Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Militia
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:03:00 - [165] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Muad 'dib It was almost as if SF actually tryed to fight us last night, grats for the recent ball swelling, shame however it ended as we told you it would. After viewing the battle video recorded by one of our inteligance members - im really supprised by the way the co-ordination between SF and the minmatar republic was handled. Whoever the FC for that farce should not be FC again and if thats the best you have them i feel a bit sorry for you. Sometimes even a united force will lose battles Muad'dib. But the biggest challenge any organization faces is fighting when the odds are against and the chance of victory is slim at best. The Fraction fights and fights hard while our enemies fear even to try. This is not something I am ashamed of in the slightest. Perhaps, you are ashamed for using the minmatar militia as a meat shield to fight your battles? or not. Maybe its alright actually. Makes sense that a big, powerful space holding alliance such as yourselves would use a group of guppies as a first line of defense in their wars. I mean come on, all the big super powered alliances with titans and capital ships do it.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:06:00 - [166] Originally by: Shalee Lianne Just a sidenote to something that Merdaneth mentioned a few posts back. Star Fraction does have spies in the Amarr Milita, and I have proof. -Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Militia Everyone has spies. Even the spies have spies. The only liars are those who claim they don't. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:11:00 - [167] Not that I can speak for the whole of the militia, but I can for my Corporation and I assure you we don't. We really don't need them, the information is already out there anyhow. The enemy knows where we are, we know where they are. We know what they fly, they know what we fly. Pretty simple really. Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Miliita
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:11:00 - [168] I think Amarr propagandists have to make up their mind on the line they are going to use to try and divide us from our allies. One day we are the Minmatar militia's 'babysitters'; the next day we are using them as 'meat shields'. People have allies, that's all there is to the matter. All this hue and cry over it amounts to bleating about that fact. It's not very convincing and quite undignified. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:12:00 - [169] Originally by: Shalee Lianne Not that I can speak for the whole of the militia, but I can for my Corporation and I assure you we don't. We really don't need them, the information is already out there anyhow. The enemy knows where we are, we know where they are. We know what they fly, they know what we fly. Pretty simple really. Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Miliita If you have ever followed the lead of another 24th Crusade FC then you have benefited from their spy network and claiming you haven't is simply dishonest. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:17:00 - [170] Miss Constantine, I said my corporation does not incorporate the use of spies. I can only speak of what I know for absolute certain. I cannot, and will not speak of the entire militia because I simply do not know what they do. Is it possible? Certainly. I've no idea, really.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:20:00 - [171] Originally by: Shalee Lianne Miss Constantine, I said my corporation does not incorporate the use of spies. I can only speak of what I know for absolute certain. I cannot, and will not speak of the entire militia because I simply do not know what they do. Is it possible? Certainly. I've no idea, really. Certainly. Its okay to profit from the spy intel gained by others while claiming your own hands are "clean." As I said. The only liars here are those who claim not to use spies. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:23:00 - [172] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Shalee Lianne Not that I can speak for the whole of the militia, but I can for my Corporation and I assure you we don't. We really don't need them, the information is already out there anyhow. The enemy knows where we are, we know where they are. We know what they fly, they know what we fly. Pretty simple really. Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Miliita If you have ever followed the lead of another 24th Crusade FC then you have benefited from their spy network and claiming you haven't is simply dishonest. Can you name FC's in the 24th that have a spy network Ms. Constantine?
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:26:00 - [173] Originally by: Jade Constantine Certainly. Its okay to profit from the spy intel gained by others while claiming your own hands are "clean." Like Star Fraction keeps their hands clean while their NBSI allies destroy a ship caught in a Star Fraction bubble perhaps? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Big MackDaddy Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:27:00 - [174] Originally by: The Cosmopolite One day we are the Minmatar militia's 'babysitters'; the next day we are using them as 'meat shields'. You claimed to aid the minmatar so you are babysitters. You never comit to any fight without hiding behind a larger minmatar gang therefore you are also meatshields. Whats is imo appaling behavour, saying that you are hear to help minmatar, then never fight and infact only hide or run behind when somthing does kick off. The minmatar will turn agianst you and your pathetic ways in time, before this great war that you want goes anywhere. Star fraction admit you are here because you are bored of failing in 0.0. Also admit to the minmatar you have no real intention of swaying the militia vs militia war beyond your own entertainment - which must be dwingling since you loose every battle.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:31:00 - [175] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Shalee Lianne Not that I can speak for the whole of the militia, but I can for my Corporation and I assure you we don't. We really don't need them, the information is already out there anyhow. The enemy knows where we are, we know where they are. We know what they fly, they know what we fly. Pretty simple really. Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Miliita If you have ever followed the lead of another 24th Crusade FC then you have benefited from their spy network and claiming you haven't is simply dishonest. Can you name FC's in the 24th that have a spy network Ms. Constantine? You couldn't afford that information dog. Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:33:00 - [176] Edited by: Merdaneth on 11/08/2010 16:34:24 Originally by: Syn Callibri Whether you agree with me or not has nothing to do with your arrogance... Then why did you call me arrogant for believing Star Fraction was a better enemy than an ally? You still haven't explained it. And certainly you haven't explained why you think my supposed arrogance is responsible for the downfall of the entire cluster. Originally by: Syn Callibri I mention this because you're all begining to sound like holo-vids caught in a data loop, and not a very good holo-vid at that. What purpose does the constant hammering on Star Fraction serve? It serves to show the audience what kind of people Star Fraction are, at a personal cost to myself, sure, but one I am happy to bear. Originally by: Syn Callibri What enemy is defeated by caustic words and mockery? The type of enemy that cannot be killed in combat. Originally by: Syn Callibri If you have issue with the Fraction, settle them in space like warriors...if thats what you are. Of course, if your nothing more than a spineless and dispassionate politician by all means...carry on since words are the only weapons that seem you possess. Lasers serve to destroy ships, they don't serve to destroy ideas. That is one of the core difference between myself and Star Fraction. They believe that endless ship battles result in a shift of ideas, I think words are a much better tool for that. Inviting someone else to 'step outside' to settle the differences has never convinced anyone that the other is right, it only serves to settle who is better at beating someone up. Originally by: Syn Callibri The fact that you are an Amarrian is cause enough to have a issue with you. Well, maybe you should talk with the Cosmopolite about that, as he is a racial Amarrian too. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:34:00 - [177] Originally by: Big MackDaddy ... beyond your own entertainment - which must be dwingling since you loose every battle. And yet you are the ones continually whining about the war on the forums... Something doesn't seem to compute. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:35:00 - [178] Originally by: Big MackDaddy Edited by: Big MackDaddy on 11/08/2010 16:27:41 Originally by: The Cosmopolite One day we are the Minmatar militia's 'babysitters'; the next day we are using them as 'meat shields'. Star fraction admit you are here because you are bored of failing in 0.0. Also admit to the minmatar you have no real intention of swaying the militia vs militia war beyond your own entertainment - which must be dwingling since you loose every battle. ONE, they will never admit the truth of their failing actions. TWO, they know what they have to do to actually help the minmatar militia, Electus Matari showed them what a real alliance can do to help their faction, and star fraction will never, ever, do that.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:38:00 - [179] Originally by: Big MackDaddy You claimed to aid the minmatar so you are babysitters. No, we work with Minmatar militia corporations as respected allies. That's not 'babysitting' and it is not 'using them as meatshields' - any more than Core Impulse working with other Amarr militia corporations is 'babysitting' or 'using meatshields'. Stop whinging about the fact people have allies. You have them. We have them. Accept it. All this rubbish just makes you look petty and weak. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:38:00 - [180] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Big MackDaddy ... beyond your own entertainment - which must be dwingling since you loose every battle. And yet you are the ones continually whining about the war on the forums... Something doesn't seem to compute. So, exposing your failings equates to us whining? Something doesn't seem to compute.
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:38:00 - [181] I never made the claim that not using spies made one clean. Really Miss Constantine stop being so defensive and prickly. I merely stated two facts. Star Fraction has them. The Knighthood doesn't. I did say I've no idea what others in the Militia do. Is it possible that I've flown under 24th FCs who have use of spies. Certainly. Do I know that for a fact? Negative. Do I even care? Not really. Do I care that SF has spies? Not at all. Shalee Lianne Commodore of the Amarr Militia
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:43:00 - [182] Edited by: Invelious on 11/08/2010 16:44:34 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Big MackDaddy You claimed to aid the minmatar so you are babysitters. No, we work with Minmatar militia corporations as respected allies. That's not 'babysitting' and it is not 'using them as meatshields' - any more than Core Impulse working with other Amarr militia corporations is 'babysitting' or 'using meatshields'. Stop whinging about the fact people have allies. You have them. We have them. Accept it. All this rubbish just makes you look petty and weak. The Cosmopolite No no, come now cosmo, Core Impulse IS PART OF THE AMARR militia, something you cannot state with the minamtar militia. Being part of the of the militia is not using it as a meat shield its actually working with them. In all honesty, and nothing against CORIM, we lived through your failed attempts, and through the days when the minmatar militia had massive organisations within them durning the opening of the war, CORIM was not there. Here we stand, strong and defiant against our enemies, always.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:53:00 - [183] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 11/08/2010 16:53:15 One doesn't have to be part of a militia to work with corporations within it on an allied basis. Indeed, being in a militia does not necessarily imply a friendly relationship with other corporations in that militia, as you well know. You can't pretend that the militia is a homogenous entity that can be considered as a perfect unity. The effective reality is that it is made up of various corporations that happen to share a mutual war with a militia made up of another set of corporations. To the extent corporations within the various militias work together they are allies. We work with militia corporations against war targets we share with them. To that extent we are allied with them. Core Impulse have their militia allies, among others, and we have our militia allies, among others. There is no point whinging about it and we're not going to accept some artificial and absurd argument that we should fight an entire militia with no allies as if it is some special point of honour. That is tendentious and specious nonsense. The Cosmpolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:58:00 - [184] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 11/08/2010 16:53:15 One doesn't have to be part of a militia to work with corporations within it on an allied basis. Indeed, being in a militia does not necessarily imply a friendly relationship with other corporations in that militia, as you well know. You can't pretend that the militia is a homogenous entity that can be considered as a perfect unity. The effective reality is that it is made up of various corporations that happen to share a mutual war with a militia made up of another set of corporations. To the extent corporations within the various militias work together they are allies. We work with militia corporations against war targets we share with them. To that extent we are allied with them. Core Impulse have their militia allies, among others, and we have our militia allies, among others. There is no point whinging about it and we're not going to accept some artificial and absurd argument that we should fight an entire militia with no allies as if it is some special point of honour. That is tendentious and specious nonsense. The Cosmpolite I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:01:00 - [185] Originally by: Invelious I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly. Hmmm, EM didn't ever seem to produce quite as many desperate whiny posts from sulking Amarrian Nationalists though did they? Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:01:00 - [186] You know the answer: we have no wish to affiliate to a government militia. It's a simple point of principle. You can believe that or not, it doesn't really signify either way. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:06:00 - [187] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious I suppose that is one way of saying it, or you can just say we don't want to join the minmatar militia to really help them. Whats stopping star fraction from doing what EM did, because clearly EM succeeded where SF has failed terribly. Hmmm, EM didn't ever seem to produce quite as many desperate whiny posts from sulking Amarrian Nationalists though did they? Well, EM didn't need to post, they came in, owned, and left. No one will dispute that. People will confirm you have not, and here we find you on the forums. You are failing hard here Jadder. To cosmo, you clearly did not think straight before posting that. Start back tracking bud, you put your foot in your mouth.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:07:00 - [188] Originally by: Invelious People will confirm you have not So the reason you are crying now is that we have not left? Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:12:00 - [189] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious People will confirm you have not So the reason you are crying now is that we have not left? Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly atm.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:14:00 - [190] Originally by: Invelious Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly atm. Actually somebody else cried about it while doing it to me. But its neither here nor there. The point I was making Invelious is that the reason you are crying about Star Fraction presence in the warzone is pure and simply that we are still here and you don't like that. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:18:00 - [191] What's to back-track? We're anarchists. We're opposed to government on principle. Why would we affiliate to government militias? This is simply our consistent position. Just as we have consistently said that if it were not for the idiotic CONCORD rules in this regard we would happily declare war on the entire Amarr militia. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:22:00 - [192] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Nice quote snippet, wasn't there some posts about doing this sort of thing, and here you are doing it with excellence. Your the best Jade. Here, let me make easy for you, i'm clearly atm. Actually somebody else cried about it while doing it to me. But its neither here nor there. The point I was making Invelious is that the reason you are crying about Star Fraction presence in the warzone is pure and simply that we are still here and you don't like that. I love watching you fail, why in the world would I want anything different. Stay as long as you want, i'm simply indicated that what you are doing is of no real assistance to the Minmatar Militia. What would you call your affiliation to the minmatar militia? just curious.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:25:00 - [193] Originally by: Invelious I love watching you fail, why in the world would I want anything different. Stay as long as you want, i'm simply indicated that what you are doing is of no real assistance to the Minmatar Militia. Every time we have been actively involved against the 24th Crusade you have been the cheerleader of tears and whining on Galnet Invelious. And here you are again. Obviously we don't care for your analysis of strategic situations because your reputation on that score is scarcely worth a candle, but it is noteworthy that you put a lot of effort into complaining about the presence of people you claim to have no impact at all. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:30:00 - [194] We're allied with specific corporations within the Minmatar militia. We haven't affiliated to the Minmatar militia, ie. we are not in the miltia. I think this is a clear distinction. In any event, we've been over this ground many times before. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:36:00 - [195] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We're anarchists. We're opposed to government on principle. Why would we affiliate to government militias? Indeed, why would you ally with the Republican or Federation militias? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:46:00 - [196] Please don't mix up 'affiliate' and 'ally', Blake, and also note that we are allied to capsuleer-controlled corporations in some of the militias, not any militia as a whole. As to the reason for our alliances with various corporations and entities, quite simple: commonality of interest to a degree meriting the alliances being entered into. Which is largely why everyone allies with other people. I would have thought this is elementary. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:53:00 - [197] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Please don't mix up 'affiliate' and 'ally', Blake, and also note that we are allied to capsuleer-controlled corporations in some of the militias, not any militia as a whole. As to the reason for our alliances with various corporations and entities, quite simple: commonality of interest to a degree meriting the alliances being entered into. Which is largely why everyone allies with other people. I would have thought this is elementary. The Cosmopolite So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:59:00 - [198] Blake, take some friendly advice from an enemy - don't think too hard about it. I'd hate for you to die of a cerebral hemorrhage before I got a chance to kill you myself. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 18:05:00 - [199] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Blake, take some friendly advice from an enemy - don't think too hard about it. I'd hate for you to die of a cerebral hemorrhage before I got a chance to kill you myself. You and Blake fighting? Thats a little like imagining two cotton-wool-wrapped adult babies belabouring each other with soggy cucumbers in a sauna full of marmelade. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.11 18:17:00 - [200] Originally by: Jade Constantine Thats a little like imagining two cotton-wool-wrapped adult babies belabouring each other with soggy cucumbers in a sauna full of marmelade. As I've said before, while your monologues are frightfully uninspired and drab, I much prefer them to the externalisation of your own peculiar sexual fantasies; those are less frightful than viscerally terrifying. While I respect your right to practice what you wish with whoever (or whatever) you wish to take as your lover in the privacy of your own quarters, I would take it as a personal favour if you kept your private fetishes just that. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 18:51:00 - [201] Star Fraction PR damage control team has now been alerted. Losing in space and on the forums. Hilarious. Whats even more fantastic is their inability to keep their story straight. They affiliate themselves by supporting the minmatar milita, or as they say only specific corps within it, which is still in fact supporting the militia. Then follow it up by saying they are not affiliated to it what so ever. Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus. Lets keep this on track with how you are currently failing against the 24th, and more importantly your campaign against Core Impulse. OH, also, your hypocrisy in your ideals and affiliations.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 18:53:00 - [202] Originally by: Invelious Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus. I don't think you can honestly claim we are changing subject by attacking Rodj Blake and Andreus Ixiris really. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.11 19:00:00 - [203] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus. I don't think you can honestly claim we are changing subject by attacking Rodj Blake and Andreus Ixiris really. Ok, so you were avoiding it. You still are. Keep it up.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.11 19:03:00 - [204] Originally by: Invelious Proceeded by a quick change in subject by attacking Rodj and Andreus. I consider it less of an attack on us and more of an unwanted insight into the dark reccesses of a diseased mind. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.11 20:30:00 - [205] Originally by: Rodj Blake So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government? Against a common enemy when it is the greater threat? No. Particularly, though not necessarily, when it is an alliance with supporters of a government we believe we can oppose without violence. I must say, I have been somewhat given to understand that allying with others you don't necessarily agree with on every jot and tittle against a common enemy is not exactly a controversial concept these days. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:59:00 - [206] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake So as someone who is "opposed to government on principle," you see no issue with allying with supporters of a government? Against a common enemy when it is the greater threat? No. Particularly, though not necessarily, when it is an alliance with supporters of a government we believe we can oppose without violence. Do you seriously believe that you can replace the Gallente Federation without the use of violence? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:10:00 - [207] Originally by: Rodj Blake Do you seriously believe that you can replace the Gallente Federation without the use of violence? I shall have to correct you on this point by saying I believe he means the Minmatar Republic, although I would pose exactly the same question about them. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:28:00 - [208] The questions imply we are seeking to 'replace' a given polity in the sense of supplanting it and imposing our own system. This is not what we seek to do. It's primarily a matter for the people making up a given polity to develop a freer form of social organisation that suits their interests. We simply advance the argument for the maximum possible liberty and the removal of violence in social relations. We believe it is possible to organise socially without the violence inherent in government systems. To our mind, there is much scope for peaceful dialogue in this regard when it comes to the Minmatar people and their republic. The direct experience of the Minmatar of the worst kind of slavery has only heightened their natural inclination to put a premium on liberty. We note that the process of reconstituting the Republic in a new form continues and watch this with interest. I believe it is a shame that the apparent preference for freedom and autonomy expressed by the Gallente people is not reflected in their system of government but matters may change. At present, I fear the kind of authoritarian reflex that led the Gallente Federation to attempt to frustrate the secession of the Caldari, thus starting the first Caldari-Galllente War, is still very much alive in that polity. Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:38:00 - [209] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2010 12:38:22 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense. It's interesting that you should say that, because I recall what SF said when a certain Gallente nationalist made a throwaway remark about favouring PIE over SF. I guess it's different when SF do it Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:20:00 - [210] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense. It's interesting that you should say that, because I recall what SF said when a certain Gallente nationalist made a throwaway remark about favouring PIE over SF. I guess it's different when SF do it Oh, not at all. Not by any means. If said Gallente nationalist wants to favour PIE over the Star Fraction because his interests lie in the Star Fraction being defeated by a slaver corporation while it fights slavery then that's quite understandable and clear. Ultimately, if a Gallente nationalist has a commonality of interest and basis for trust with an Amarr paramilitary organisation then I would expect them to ally with one another. It isn't the fact of them being allied that I would would cavil at in any way. Rather, I would reflect on why they should be allied or favour one another. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:33:00 - [211] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite Nevertheless, we will work with capsuleers of many political persuasions we don't necessarily agree with against common foes, or toward any other ends in our common interest, where there is a basis for trust. This is simply basic common sense. It's interesting that you should say that, because I recall what SF said when a certain Gallente nationalist made a throwaway remark about favouring PIE over SF. I guess it's different when SF do it Oh, not at all. Not by any means. If said Gallente nationalist wants to favour PIE over the Star Fraction because his interests lie in the Star Fraction being defeated by a slaver corporation while it fights slavery then that's quite understandable and clear. Ultimately, if a Gallente nationalist has a commonality of interest and basis for trust with an Amarr paramilitary organisation then I would expect them to ally with one another. It isn't the fact of them being allied that I would would cavil at in any way. Rather, I would reflect on why they should be allied or favour one another. The Cosmopolite Obviously they shouldn't ally with each other unless they want to become hypocrites, just as SF shouldn't ally with their ideological opposites unless they want to become hypocrites. That's my point. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:44:00 - [212] Originally by: Rodj Blake Obviously they shouldn't ally with each other unless they want to become hypocrites, just as SF shouldn't ally with their ideological opposites unless they want to become hypocrites. That's my point. Oh, I understood what you were driving at right enough. I just don't agree that it is hypocrisy of any kind to act in the pursuit of one's stated interests in common with others that, in a particular regard, share those interests. The claim that it is amounts to spouting an illiterate slur. It is actually the literal opposite of hypocrisy. But on your analysis, when say, the Amarr Empire and the Caldari State ally with one another, having ideologies that are, at root, in opposition, isn't that hypocrisy? Please, do not tell me that the Amarr Reclaiming and religiously-mandated (or rather excused) slavery are doctrines compatible with the Caldari ideologies of national independence and individual freedom. Do not render yourself that ludicrous. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:48:00 - [213] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Obviously they shouldn't ally with each other unless they want to become hypocrites, just as SF shouldn't ally with their ideological opposites unless they want to become hypocrites. That's my point. Oh, I understood what you were driving at right enough. I just don't agree that it is hypocrisy of any kind to act in the pursuit of one's stated interests in common with others that, in a particular regard, share those interests. The claim that it is amounts to spouting an illiterate slur. It is actually the literal opposite of hypocrisy. But on your analysis, when say, the Amarr Empire and the Caldari State ally with one another, having ideologies that are, at root, in opposition, isn't that hypocrisy? Please, do not tell me that the Amarr Reclaiming and religiously-mandated (or rather excused) slavery are doctrines compatible with the Caldari ideologies of national independence and individual freedom. Do not render yourself that ludicrous. The Cosmopolite I hardly think that the workers in Caldari factories have a greater sense of individual freedom than the average Ni-kunni tradesman. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:53:00 - [214] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 12/08/2010 13:53:43 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Please, do not tell me that the Amarr Reclaiming and religiously-mandated (or rather excused) slavery are doctrines compatible with the Caldari ideologies of national independence and individual freedom. Do not render yourself that ludicrous. I hardly think that the workers in Caldari factories have a greater sense of individual freedom than the average Ni-kunni tradesman. Oh, please, do you think shifting your ground in that blatant manner will convince anyone? Moving from the ideology of the Caldari to consequences of the fact that their State, indeed, is a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters that have no desire to follow through the implications of a potentially libertarian philosophy to its logical conclusions? You really think that is an answer? Very well then. We can leave it there if you're satisfied with that. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:08:00 - [215] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We believe it is possible to organise socially without the violence inherent in government systems. It isn't. The human being created civilization not because of willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning. The philosophy and psychology behind this can explain everything from religion to the various political systems which pervade the cluster, and can be boiled down to two simple truths: the individual craves judgement, and the individual is prey to ambition. All individuals desire to be in some way observed, assessed, punished or rewarded, and in turn, also desire to observe, assess, punish and reward. The gods, and, indeed, God, are personified aparitions of observation, assessment, punishment and reward. The Amarrian God is a delusion, but is a perfectly understandable one, for it is a perfect example of omnipresent understanding and judgement. Amarrians pervert the concept somewhat with the dogma, prejudice, arrogance and hatred of their religion but stripped of all its Amarrian context, the concept of God is clear: God observes you with a glance and truly understands everything about you, as no-one and nothing else ever could, and can therefore assess and inform you of your relative worth in a single instant. If not worship, truly few are the men who would not treat such a being with some form of reverence. Without such an omnipresent being, humans are forced to judge each other by means ranging from the fairly logical (personal ability) to the entirely arbitrary (ethnicity). Yet this in itself is still not enough. Inevitably springing from the desire to be judged is the desire to be judged favourably - this we call ambition. Human ambition is quite possibly the most powerful ordered force in the universe, infinitely stronger than human reason. All human beings are prey to it, and nothing is proof against it. Ambition is what sets up tyrants like Heth and Sarum, ambition is what drives them to rule in the first place, and ambition is the root of all their abuses. Whenever there are too few checks or limitations upon a human's power, it is inevitable that that power will at some point be abused. Capsuleers, far from being some post-human infomorphic demigod, epitomise humanity and demonstrate just how dangerous humans get when they are given nigh-unlimited power. The checks and balances of government exist because human beings recognise how singularly unfit they are to govern themselves. Decision-making structures, committees, laws, codes, constitutions - they were all created to provide a system, a non-human machine, which was not subject to ambition. These systems, devoid of emotion or consciousness, exist to limit and counterbalance the power that any one individual can possess, with the unspoken implication that they will also limit the damage that individual can do should he fall prey to his own ambition. There will always be systems of government, as long as human beings themselves exist and are subject to both ambition and the desire for judgement. It is inseperable from our nature. The State, the Federation, the Empire, the Republic need not even be mentioned - it is the others you want to look at. The Cartel, the Guristas, the Serpentis, the Raiders - even the Syndicate. They all arrange themselves in heirarchical, governing structures with laws and codes. Even the Sansha, who claim to have done away with the weaknesses of humanity, arrange themselves with Kuvakei at the very top, as a glorious leader, and a spider's web of advisors and subordinates and subordinates of subordinates radiating out around him. Even Star Fraction has a heirarchy (even if it is, as almost every ex-member has related, simply Jade with her boot on your throat and your boot on the throat of everyone else), which in turn is subject to the laws and regulations of a larger heirarchy (CONCORD).
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:21:00 - [216] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2010 14:22:06 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 12/08/2010 13:53:43 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Please, do not tell me that the Amarr Reclaiming and religiously-mandated (or rather excused) slavery are doctrines compatible with the Caldari ideologies of national independence and individual freedom. Do not render yourself that ludicrous. I hardly think that the workers in Caldari factories have a greater sense of individual freedom than the average Ni-kunni tradesman. Oh, please, do you think shifting your ground in that blatant manner will convince anyone? Moving from the ideology of the Caldari to consequences of the fact that their State, indeed, is a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters that have no desire to follow through the implications of a potentially libertarian philosophy to its logical conclusions? You really think that is an answer? Very well then. We can leave it there if you're satisfied with that. The Cosmopolite One minute you're saying that the State is haven of national independence and individual freedom, and the next you're saying that it's a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters. Any more u-turns like that and you really will be spinning.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:31:00 - [217] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/08/2010 14:31:38 Originally by: Rodj Blake One minute you're saying that the State is haven of national independence and individual freedom, and the next you're saying that it's a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters. Any more u-turns like that and you really will be spinning. Well, you see, the State is only a haven of national independence and individual freedom when it's useful as an ideological tool for criticising the Federation (showing how little he actually knows about the Federation) or the Empire. In all other cases it is of course a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters. Clear now? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:39:00 - [218] Originally by: The Cosmopolite If said Gallente nationalist wants to favour PIE over the Star Fraction because his interests lie in the Star Fraction being defeated by a slaver corporation while it fights slavery then that's quite understandable and clear. You were fighting PIE. You didn't fight a 'slaver corporation' and most certainly were not fighting slavery. PIE is, as a corporation, not pro or anti-slavery, PIE is loyal to the Emperor and the Empire and follows their lead. Some of its pilots keep slaves, others don't and don't want to. If you believe PIE is instrumental in keeping the institution of slavery alive in this cluster, then you can honestly say you were 'fighting slavery'. Especially since think your war against PIE hasn't succeeded in freeing a single slave nor changed the minds of those who like to keep slaves as far as I know. There are some corporations that are truly trying to fight slavery, like Electus Matari. Star Fraction is not such a corporation. Star Fraction doesn't care much how many slaves they free, they just care about how many enemy ships they destroy, people they kill and if they can get into the news. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:40:00 - [219] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris It isn't. The human being created civilization not because of willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning. The philosophy and psychology behind this can explain everything from religion to the various political systems which pervade the cluster, and can be boiled down to two simple truths: the individual craves judgement, and the individual is prey to ambition. All individuals desire to be in some way observed, assessed, punished or rewarded, and in turn, also desire to observe, assess, punish and reward. The gods, and, indeed, God, are personified aparitions of observation, assessment, punishment and reward. The Amarrian God is a delusion, but is a perfectly understandable one, for it is a perfect example of omnipresent understanding and judgement. Amarrians pervert the concept somewhat with the dogma, prejudice, arrogance and hatred of their religion but stripped of all its Amarrian context, the concept of God is clear: God observes you with a glance and truly understands everything about you, as no-one and nothing else ever could, and can therefore assess and inform you of your relative worth in a single instant. If not worship, truly few are the men who would not treat such a being with some form of reverence. Without such an omnipresent being, humans are forced to judge each other by means ranging from the fairly logical (personal ability) to the entirely arbitrary (ethnicity). Yet this in itself is still not enough. Inevitably springing from the desire to be judged is the desire to be judged favourably - this we call ambition. Human ambition is quite possibly the most powerful ordered force in the universe, infinitely stronger than human reason. All human beings are prey to it, and nothing is proof against it. Ambition is what sets up tyrants like Heth and Sarum, ambition is what drives them to rule in the first place, and ambition is the root of all their abuses. Whenever there are too few checks or limitations upon a human's power, it is inevitable that that power will at some point be abused. Capsuleers, far from being some post-human infomorphic demigod, epitomise humanity and demonstrate just how dangerous humans get when they are given nigh-unlimited power. The checks and balances of government exist because human beings recognise how singularly unfit they are to govern themselves. Decision-making structures, committees, laws, codes, constitutions - they were all created to provide a system, a non-human machine, which was not subject to ambition. These systems, devoid of emotion or consciousness, exist to limit and counterbalance the power that any one individual can possess, with the unspoken implication that they will also limit the damage that individual can do should he fall prey to his own ambition. There will always be systems of government, as long as human beings themselves exist and are subject to both ambition and the desire for judgement. It is inseperable from our nature. The State, the Federation, the Empire, the Republic need not even be mentioned - it is the others you want to look at. The Cartel, the Guristas, the Serpentis, the Raiders - even the Syndicate. They all arrange themselves in heirarchical, governing structures with laws and codes. Even the Sansha, who claim to have done away with the weaknesses of humanity, arrange themselves with Kuvakei at the very top, as a glorious leader, and a spider's web of advisors and subordinates and subordinates of subordinates radiating out around him. Even Star Fraction has a heirarchy (even if it is, as almost every ex-member has related, simply Jade with her boot on your throat and your boot on the throat of everyone else), which in turn is subject to the laws and regulations of a larger heirarchy (CONCORD). You should be a teacher Andy.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:42:00 - [220] Originally by: Miss Sparkles You should be a teacher Andy. I'm sorry that I have to ask, but was that meant as a compliment or an insult? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:42:00 - [221] Originally by: Rodj Blake One minute you're saying that the State is haven of national independence and individual freedom, and the next you're saying that it's a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters. I did not at any point claim the Caldari State was a 'haven' of individual freedom. On the other hand, I do think that, despite the hypocrisies of the State's rulers when it comes to individual liberties, it is fairly clear that they see the doctrine of national independence as useful and in their own, rather baleful way tend to act on that ideology. I have made no 'u-turn' while you are trying to evade the logical implications of your own claim that it is hypocrisy for those holding opposing ideologies to ever ally with one another regardless of situations where their interests may converge. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:46:00 - [222] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I have made no 'u-turn' Actually, I will have to agree with this - you have, to some dubious credit, consistently repeated the tired fiction that I have sympathy with the Amarr without any backsliding, despite the fact that revising your belief would make you look like less of a raving lunatic. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:11:00 - [223] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Miss Sparkles You should be a teacher Andy. I'm sorry that I have to ask, but was that meant as a compliment or an insult? Oh, a compliment. I found your post extremely insightful.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:12:00 - [224] Originally by: Miss Sparkles Oh, a compliment. I found your post extremely insightful. In that case, thank you very much. I feared very much, given to whom it was addressed, that the effort would be entirely wasted, but I'm glad to see that someone appreciated it. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:19:00 - [225] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2010 15:23:02 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake One minute you're saying that the State is haven of national independence and individual freedom, and the next you're saying that it's a hypocrisy on stilts run by gangsters. I did not at any point claim the Caldari State was a 'haven' of individual freedom. On the other hand, I do think that, despite the hypocrisies of the State's rulers when it comes to individual liberties, it is fairly clear that they see the doctrine of national independence as useful and in their own, rather baleful way tend to act on that ideology. I have made no 'u-turn' while you are trying to evade the logical implications of your own claim that it is hypocrisy for those holding opposing ideologies to ever ally with one another regardless of situations where their interests may converge. The Cosmopolite Nice spinning. "National independence and individual freedom" were your words, not mine. Tell me, is it the ideology of the Caldari State (which involves having a government) that you object to, or merely its implementation (which also involves a government)? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:27:00 - [226] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 12/08/2010 15:32:22 No spinning here. I have not at any point denied those were my words nor have I claimed they were yours. However, the word 'haven' and any related implications were very much yours and not mine. The spin is all with you, Blake. As for the Caldari State, we oppose the statist elements of its ideology and most certainly oppose the way in which the State actually organises society. As I have answered your question, I hope you will be able to answer mine: given the Amarr Empire's doctrine of the Reclaiming and the Caldari State's doctrine of national independence are in direct opposition to one another, aren't they both, using your analysis, hypocritical for allying with one another? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:45:00 - [227] Actually, my view has always been that the Caldari and the Amarr are an exceedingly poor match for each other, and that if it weren't for the exceedingly ugly business of the Gallente-Caldari war, the alliance would most likely never have existed, the Amarr would be friendless and a lot more aid could have been given to the Minmatar rebellion. Mixed Metaphor's stance is that the Amarr are by far the greater long-term threat to the stability of the Federation, and that being enemies with the State gains us nothing, but being allies with them would be the largest step towards a peaceful cluster that anyone's ever taken. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:54:00 - [228] Originally by: Miss Sparkles Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Miss Sparkles You should be a teacher Andy. I'm sorry that I have to ask, but was that meant as a compliment or an insult? Oh, a compliment. I found your post extremely insightful. .....and plagiarized in significant parts. Andy borrowed his insight from another. I thought that tripe sounded familiar. http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:56:00 - [229] Originally by: Azure Skyclad .....and plagiarized in significant parts. Andy borrowed his insight from another. I thought that tripe sounded familiar. You are a persistent little troll, aren't you? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:09:00 - [230] Originally by: Azure Skyclad .....and plagiarized in significant parts. Andy borrowed his insight from another. I thought that tripe sounded familiar. Hmmm, its a bit desperate when you need to steal that kind of nonsense. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:11:00 - [231] And pray tell, where have I stolen it from? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Grimnir	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:22:00 - [232] I'd say that those words bear considerable resemblance to the writings of an old scholar, warren spector, but you knew that already... It's interesting though, in some regards are not all capsuleers simply deus ex machina?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.16 14:27:00 - [233] Originally by: Grimnir I'd say that those words bear considerable resemblance to the writings of an old scholar, warren spector, but you knew that already... It's interesting though, in some regards are not all capsuleers simply deus ex machina? From a certain perspective I can see that, yes. But no surprise to see a toothless nationalist regurgitating the words of others and trying to pass off as his own. Still. Hopefully thus chided the creature will avoid this thread and we can get back to discussing the war Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 14:38:00 - [234] Yet again you have overestimated both your own intelligence and your ability to "chide" me. Oh, also, who's Warren Spector? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.16 14:53:00 - [235] Could we like get back on topic please Thought this tread was suposed to be about us. I want more attention damnit! Dunn Idaho
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:09:00 - [236] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Could we like get back on topic please Thought this tread was suposed to be about us. I want more attention damnit! Dunn Idaho All threads that involve Jade inevitably become temples to her own inflated sense of self-worth. I apologise for the inconvenience but there really is little hope of salvaging this one. I'm led to surmise from the lack of triumphal catterwauling on this thread, however, that Core Impulse is holding its own respectably, though? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:22:00 - [237] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 16/08/2010 15:22:32 I must say...I find it utterly amusing to sit back and witness supposedly intellegent beings lamb-basting Captain Jade Constantine for "blowing her horn" as it were...by "blowing" they're very own horns...accusing her of stroking her ego, while stroking thier own. Please continue...this is grand entertainment! <applauds lightly and chuckles> Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:33:00 - [238] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'm led to surmise from the lack of triumphal catterwauling on this thread, however, that Core Impulse is holding its own respectably, though? Would that be cheering for more Amarrian Nationalists there from somebody involved with the FDU? (I use the word "involved" in the loosest possible sense of course given that you haven't exactly done much fighting for months). Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:43:00 - [239] Originally by: Jade Constantine Would that be cheering for more Amarrian Nationalists there You do really seem rather obsessed with this fallacy. Perhaps you should see a psychologist. Either way, I was merely commenting from the fact that Star Fraction aren't furiously blowing their own horn - if you know what I mean - that the war with Core Impulse is not going smoothly. Originally by: Jade Constantine (I use the word "involved" in the loosest possible sense of course given that you haven't exactly done much fighting for months). You are welcome to this delusion, too, but I'm actually on patrol right now, in Caldari space, and I've been doing the same for days now. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:49:00 - [240] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/08/2010 15:52:15 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris You are welcome to this delusion, too, but I'm actually on patrol right now, in Caldari space, and I've been doing the same for days now. I guess by "patrol" you mean community service or something, picking up litter and cutting the lawns on Heth's estate while penning letters of support for nationalist tyrants the cluster over because there isn't much activity on the FDU public databases. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:05:00 - [241] They don't give you a killmail for every plex you spin, do they? And territorial control is, in the grand scheme of things, far more important than a few easily-replacable frigates. By the way, do remember, given your grandiose statement about Star Fraction's worth, that Roden is a capsuleer and a nationalist, and his frankly wonderful Shipyard has an astronomically higher turnover than you - in ship production, in R&D, and in not making a fool of himself on the IGS. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:10:00 - [242] On matters of production, research and starship engineering I'd actually be happy to speak with Jacus Roden on the level of an equal Ixris. You, not so much. I suspect this man has a similar view. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:20:00 - [243] Actually, if you bothered to check my corporation's public profile, you'd see that Roden Shipyards loves my corporation. Farbeit from me to say that I'm the only capsuleer entity they feel this way about, but certainly they look upon my corporation a mite more favourably than yours, according to a similar reading of your own corporation's public profile. As for your unprovable assertion regarding Roden's personal preferences? I'm fairly certain that if he had time for speaking with capsuleers at all, he'd rather talk to a humble but honest Federation loyalist rather than a frothing, self-aggrandizing anarchist and former spy dedicated to the destruction of the grand and noble nation over which he presides. Besides, you remind me in both appearence and manner of that utter fool Mentas Blaque, and I'm certain a man as astute as Roden couldn't fail to notice the resemblance. It is fairly clear he despises the fellow, so I'm certain the clear resemblance would do you no favours with him either. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:28:00 - [244] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Actually, if you bothered to check my corporation's public profile, you'd see that Roden Shipyards loves my corporation. Presumably with the same kind of lukewarm condescending hauteur that fedmart warehouse managers might feel towards a junior checkout clerk on passing the month's trial then? Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:33:00 - [245] Actually they trust me with their best R&D assets and their agents treat me with a frankly creepy degree of friendliness. But thanks for asking. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:05:00 - [246] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris ... and their agents treat me with a frankly creepy degree of friendliness. You do realize they don't actually like you right? To them you are simply and unpleasant tool to be used to achieve those tasks thought appropriate to your skillset? Relying on the emotional support of agents for human company is probably a warning sign about something. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:18:00 - [247] Originally by: Jade Constantine You do realize they don't actually like you right? Is that your expert opinion through direct personal contact with these specific agents - or are you simply trying to score some cheap points in an argument? I fully realise that not all the agents I've worked for like me - Scourt Allougles of Quafe, for instance, was a butch, chainsmoking pervert of a woman who utterly despised me (but I'm led to believe from conversations with other capsuleers and, indeed, non-capsuleers that she was like that with almost everyone) but I've had drinks with Saonellieu Baerse a dozen times (always me buying, of course) and Roden Shipyards agent Bruffrer Vria is a most excellent Mind Clash opponent. Stans Callor over in Solitude has somewhat of a Splinterz obsession, which I never really got into, but we remain on amicable terms and exchange Federation Day tidings. Originally by: Jade Constantine Relying on the emotional support of agents for human company is probably a warning sign about something. Ah, and when did I state that I was doing that? You make such a big thing of people infering things they're "not meant" to infer from your statements - kindly practice what you preach, or, in the words of a most excellent Intaki sage, shut your big fat mouth. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:39:00 - [248] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ah, and when did I state that I was doing that? In every desperate attention seeking post you make dear chap. The piteous need for some kind of emotional contact liberally drips off you. Thats why you come every day without fail seeking the cruel verbal humiliation I offer you in this medium because its better than the silence of your corp chat. I can be can very empathic when I try! Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:43:00 - [249] Originally by: Jade Constantine In every desperate attention seeking post you make dear chap. The piteous need for some kind of emotional contact liberally drips off you. Trust me, I've got enough friends to satisfy the need for emotional contact and I daresay if I was desperate enough to seek you out for emotional contact I might as well gouge out my organs one-by-one with a breadknife - it'd be more efficient and far less painful than attempting to have a reasoned conversation with you. Originally by: Jade Constantine the silence of your corp chat You have quite obviously never shared a corporation with Sahaquiel Faust and Friar Kite, otherwise you'd know patently ridiculous that statement is. I wish my corp chat was silent. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:44:00 - [250] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris You have quite obviously never shared a corporation with Sahaquiel Faust and Friar Kite, otherwise you'd know patently ridiculous that statement is. I wish my corp chat was silent. You have two whole corp mates! My my I AM impressed Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.17 15:53:00 - [251] So do the wheels on your goalposts come as standard, or did you have them specially installed? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.08.17 17:10:00 - [252] It's amazing how far Jade will go to derail his own thread about this war he started once SF starts losing. It would be spot on with the topic should SF actually be winning. Jade gloating about victorious battles and such, but there are none, sadly. So here we have Jade, constantly attacking this fellow Gallente, with words and sentences that have zero application to this war against Core Impulse. You two need to take your pent up love for each other elsewhere please. This thread is purely about a war where SF is losing.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.17 17:34:00 - [253] Originally by: Invelious This thread is purely about a war where SF is losing. Hmmm, admittedly there isn't much fighting at the moment because the Amarrian forces are not very courageous or adventurous - but its quite a stretch to claim we are losing much to the ghosts in opposition at present. Still, by all means come to Kamela more often Invelious, it was nice to see you last night - stay a little longer next time Join the Revolution!
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.17 18:24:00 - [254] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious This thread is purely about a war where SF is losing. Hmmm, admittedly there isn't much fighting at the moment because the Amarrian forces are not very courageous or adventurous - but its quite a stretch to claim we are losing much to the ghosts in opposition at present. Still, by all means come to Kamela more often Invelious, it was nice to see you last night - stay a little longer next time I never see SF doing much of anything.
Vivian Lampere Gallente Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.08.17 18:39:00 - [255] Originally by: Miss Sparkles I never see SF doing much of anything. Now now, you disappoint me, beautiful. Weren't you who disengaged the violent caresses of my ship against yours and docked unexpectedly because you were actually afraid of madame Constantine's presence by my side that very night? Facts not very fitting with your statement here now I'm afraid. People don't run away from combat situations when they expect their opposition to do "much of anything" after all, isn't that so hun?
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:05:00 - [256] Originally by: Vivian Lampere Originally by: Miss Sparkles I never see SF doing much of anything. Now now, you disappoint me, beautiful. Weren't you who disengaged the violent caresses of my ship against yours and docked unexpectedly because you were actually afraid of madame Constantine's presence by my side that very night? Facts not very fitting with your statement here now I'm afraid. People don't run away from combat situations when they expect their opposition to do "much of anything" after all, isn't that so hun? I was frightened that the -SF- Guardian would remote repair you. I am confident I made the right call to disengage. That aside, what have SF being doing, just hanging out in Kamela?
Vivian Lampere Gallente Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:16:00 - [257] But... Originally by: Miss Sparkles I never see SF doing much of anything. or? Originally by: Miss Sparkles I was frightened that the -SF- Guardian would remote repair you. I am confident I made the right call to disengage. Can't be both darling.
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:25:00 - [258] Originally by: Vivian Lampere But... Originally by: Miss Sparkles I never see SF doing much of anything. or? Originally by: Miss Sparkles I was frightened that the -SF- Guardian would remote repair you. I am confident I made the right call to disengage. Can't be both darling. The -SF- Guardian didn't actually do anything at all. I left before it got the chance.
Vivian Lampere Gallente Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:34:00 - [259] Originally by: Miss Sparkles Originally by: Vivian Lampere But... Originally by: Miss Sparkles I never see SF doing much of anything. or? Originally by: Miss Sparkles I was frightened that the -SF- Guardian would remote repair you. I am confident I made the right call to disengage. Can't be both darling. The -SF- Guardian didn't actually do anything at all. I left before it got the chance. Then perhaps it's time for you to retrieve your original statement darling. You left the combat between us because you were frightened by the presence of SF vessels by my side. If you didn't expect them to do anything, you wouldn't have left us in such anti-climax. It's your own words, rectify them. There's no shame on acknowledging a clear mistake that you have done with your original statement.
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.17 21:46:00 - [260] No one will care what I say anyway. Some people believe I am a SF spy in the Amarr Militia.
Vivian Lampere Gallente Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.08.17 21:59:00 - [261] Originally by: Miss Sparkles No one will care what I say anyway. So what's the problem to rectify your poorly misconstrued original statement for the sake of making IGS a true reflection of what really happens at space? Shouldn't be an issue. Originally by: Miss Sparkles Some people believe I am a SF spy in the Amarr Militia. Does it matter what people believe? All that matters is what you are and that only you know. Personally, if you ask me, I like you and I'd think that you being a SF spy inside the Amarr Militia would fit you well, after all even your name calls for some glamour and a better goal, style of life than simply serving slavers for some pocket coin loyalty points. But no judgements from my part here. All I want is the rectification of your statement because somehow it involves a fact to which I have been involved and witnessed first hand as part of the truth.
Miss Sparkles Digital Vikings	Posted - 2010.08.17 22:08:00 - [262] Ok. I sometimes see SF out and about by the Kamela station undock, possibly about to do something. My previous statement was wrong.
Vivian Lampere Gallente Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.08.17 22:09:00 - [263] Originally by: Miss Sparkles My previous statement was wrong. Thank you. Now when can we have a date?
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.23 11:37:00 - [264] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious This thread is purely about a war where SF is losing. Hmmm, admittedly there isn't much fighting at the moment because the Amarrian forces are not very courageous or adventurous - but its quite a stretch to claim we are losing much to the ghosts in opposition at present. Still, by all means come to Kamela more often Invelious, it was nice to see you last night - stay a little longer next time Although I've been disinclined to post in this thread, I found the above comment so absurd that to not respond would be denying Jade more of the self ridicule he so obviously enjoys. As far as my own corporation goes we performed as such in the previous week [against all targets]: 330 Ships killed (26.62B ISK)65 Ships lost (4.1B ISK)86.66% Efficiency (ISK) Meanwhile the SF killboard for that same week [again against all targets](they conveniently don't show actual week stats, so will just count their kills vs losses): Killed: 2 BS / 3 BC / 1 hac / 3 cruiser / 2 t2 frigs / 1 hauler Losses: 4 BC / 2 HAC / 2 AF / 1 frig / 1 cloaky hauler I know I'm just feeding the troll here, but really? Looks to me you're confusing your own ghost forces in game for your epeen stroking on vent.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.08.23 13:40:00 - [265] Originally by: Ospie I know I'm just BEING the troll here Fixed for you. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:28:00 - [266] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Ospie I know I'm just BEING the troll here Fixed for you. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Ospie posted some facts and general information, you only called him a troll which ironicly is trolling - take it else where. @ SF: are you going to be stepping up your efforts any time soon, or is this 'war' going to last for months more like this? As has been said; this war is more of a piontless forum battle with no ingame stats or actions to back it up and as such is intirely a waste of time for SF unless making yourself look like weak players in space and worse liers everywhere else. grats.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:30:00 - [267] Originally by: Muad 'dib Ospie posted some facts and general information No, he just trolled. So did you. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:47:00 - [268] The Star Fraction is an independent movement of freespacers opposed to regressive imperialist authority and the tyranny of statist nationalism. You might as well consider us guerilla fighters, irregular partizans, rifles in the hills, ambushes in the belts, warriors who will strike you when they can and fade from view when they cannot. This is an asymetric conflict of irregulars against a standing army. Quoting figures the standing army achieves against a completely different set of militia recruits to bolster its self-belief and confidence doubtless makes sense to the internal propaganda and morale-boosting function of Core but its precisely irrelevant to the context of the conflict we have declared and continue to prosecute day in day out. At the moment coming to the IGS to complain about the absence of big battles on the 24th Crusade terms simply convinces us our tactics are working. I know you would prefer to engage us within the docking range of Huola station with half a dozen carriers repping your battleships while we rushed piecemeal onto your guns but you are going to have to live with disappointment if you think thats the way things will go. When you are strong we are nowhere to be seen. When you are prepared we are ghosts. When you are fleeted with your neutral reppers and backed by supercap escalation its like we were never there. But when you are on your own. When you take your eye from local. When you make a mistake. When you dare take part in a small gang. We're the shot from the undergrowth that will be the last sound you hear. And the war will last as long as it needs to. Join the Revolution!
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.23 15:39:00 - [269] Originally by: Jade Constantine At the moment coming to the IGS to complain about the absence of big battles on the 24th Crusade terms simply convinces us our tactics are working. I know you would prefer to engage us within the docking range of Huola station with half a dozen carriers repping your battleships while we rushed piecemeal onto your guns but you are going to have to live with disappointment if you think thats the way things will go. Corim do not care if you think your tactics are working, the fact remians your presence is irrelivant and your claims of aiding the minmatar, fictitious. A pirate gang will breeze through from time to time, and in a single engaugment cause more disruption and loss than your intire war so far, and we dotn consider those gangs a threat to our cause either. I come to these forums when i have time out from killing minatar militiants. I cannot and will not stay quiet while a phantom forum force complains, lies and generally makes my hard working and very real corporation look bad. Im here to express my corps values and opinions as well as my own and i do not lie, somthing you wont understand with your "whatever it takes as long as its not actual fighting in space" campain continues.. As we have said before, we are here because its often the only place to find an SF. As long as my corporation is respectfully addressed i have no problem with your puny campain, if you think you are winning, i hope you gain all the saticfaction possible, its your personnel delusion afterall.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.23 15:44:00 - [270] Originally by: Muad 'dib Corim do not care if you think your tactics are working, the fact remians your presence is irrelivant and your claims of aiding the minmatar, fictitious. And you will appreciate that we consider the public-stated opinions of an Amarrian Nationalist regular militia entity to be precisely irrelevant to our choice and selection of tactics. It is for our allies not our enemies to tell us whether our aid is worthwhile. We understand you don't like the kind of war that is being waged hence you rage against it on the Summit. But regular armies never enjoy the attentions of guerillas and partizans and your statements and comments here have been heard by freedom-fighters before throughout the whole of recorded history. Nothing new here. Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:18:00 - [271] It seems I have to provide my translation service again. When you have more active ships than your opponent, you say in Star Fraction speak: "We have beaten our opponents, reduced them to worms cowering in their stations only daring to undock in speedy frigate or small gangs to elude our dominant battleship fleets. Their role in this conflict is over, as they cannot match our fleets in space and have been reduced to irrelevancy!" When your opponent has more active ships than you, you say in Star Fraction speak: "This is an asymetric conflict of irregulars against a standing army. We are us guerilla fighters, irregular partizans, rifles in the hills, warriors who will strike you when they can and fade from view when they cannot. We are ghosts striking from the undergrowth that will pounce on you when you dare take part in a small gang." Using double standards, isn't that the right description for this kind of thing? Originally by: "Jade Constantine" At the moment coming to the IGS to complain about the absence of big battles on the 24th Crusade terms simply convinces us our tactics are working. I guess Core Impulse aren't happy with Star Fraction's acceptance of their role as 'ghosts hiding in the undergrowth only daring to go out in small gangs'. From all the bold speeches you made, maybe they were expected some heavy battleships fleets to fight? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:20:00 - [272] Originally by: Merdaneth It seems I have to provide my translation service again. Nobody cares. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:26:00 - [273] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Merdaneth It seems I have to provide my translation service again. Nobody cares. * laughs softly * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.23 19:17:00 - [274] Heres a thought put a proper fleet together before starting a forum war. Words mean nothing on the battlefield only action. Your own public KB shows how nonexistent your "Impulse control" offensive is. You want to get CORIM's attention, then fight them using your battleship and capital assets. We dont need any more cruisers or thrashers, lord knows TLF suicides them enough as it is.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.23 19:33:00 - [275] Originally by: Sharra Savente Heres a thought put a proper fleet together before starting a forum war. Words mean nothing on the battlefield only action. Your own public KB shows how nonexistent your "Impulse control" offensive is. You want to get CORIM's attention, then fight them using your battleship and capital assets. We dont need any more cruisers or thrashers, lord knows TLF suicides them enough as it is. Posted with your matari spy identity by mistake? Join the Revolution!
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.23 19:54:00 - [276] Hmmm so because i dont conform with your lemmings i must be a spy? You sound like the empress herself
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.23 19:58:00 - [277] Originally by: Sharra Savente Hmmm so because i dont conform with your lemmings i must be a spy? You sound like the empress herself More the fact you appeared to have a change of mindstate a little while ago and managed to successfully use a Rattlesnake class battleship in heavy battle with the 24th without losing it while the rest of your comrades got slaughtered. But I could be wrong, nothing in life has any business being perfect. Join the Revolution!
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.23 20:19:00 - [278] Well i do consider myself a good pilot but for the most part i tend to stay alive due to the efforts of IFW and HUANG logistic pilots. Do some more checking im always in a t3 cruiser or faction battleship. I fly ships with the purpose of making an impact in battle. Theres no point in suiciding a useless ship. Besides instead of making baseless accusations why dont you go and prove my perceptions wrong.
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:28:00 - [279] Im not supprised a memeber of the minmatar agrees that SF with this war have not lived up to their goals much less the title of the operation. You may say whatever you will on the forums no one can stop you posting, but you have no control of core impulse and if you consider your efforts thus far acceptable your lies and false claims will mean less and less until you are considered universally as a big joke - albiet one with a large mouth.
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.08.24 05:19:00 - [280] Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 24/08/2010 05:26:10 from somewhere deep in a wormhole, far away from the fail Posting to confirm that certain alliances and some FW corps need to stop suiciding themselves over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again into CORIM fleets. Tech1 ***fits, spinning in stations and poorly led/fit "ahax" gangs belong in RvB, not in FW trying to fight CORIM. Also, what i posted waaayyyyy back when this thread started still holds true: there are a lot of corps that are actually fighting and beating CORIM on a regular basis. SF stating that one or two corps are the "spearhead" and "main corps" in militia is creating more bad blood between the corps themselves than the amarr ever could. All in all, congrats on a meaningless campaign and the creation of a great number of rifts between the various corps in Minmatar FW. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE* -------
Artemis97 Caldari Resistance Project	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:52:00 - [281] I am looking forward to standing with the freecaptains against CORIM. See you on the field
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.29 06:19:00 - [282] I would just like to point out that according to our own KB, which is API linked and thus EVERY 1 of our losses gets posted, now shows an efficiency of more than 50% versus SF. Given that SF have a majority of their kills by joining minmatar fleets with a stabbed ceptor (Axen o/), I'd say it's safe to say the true damage we, CORIM, have caused you is substantially higher and we go back to my initial argument about how you're losing your own war based on your own objectives. Unless of course your objective was to feed us many KMs and loot :)
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.29 07:33:00 - [283] Originally by: Ramingo Given that SF have a majority of their kills by joining minmatar fleets with a stabbed ceptor (Axen o/), I'd say it's safe to say the true damage we, CORIM, have caused you is substantially higher and we go back to my initial argument about how you're losing your own war based on your own objectives. Unless of course your objective was to feed us many KMs and loot :) The goal of Star Fraction and metric used for this campaign was the opinion of their friends. If the friends of SF are happy, then their goals are being achieved for this war, even if they lose 100 ships to each 1 they kill. Note that making your circle of friends as small as possible is quite an effective tactic for reaching this goal. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Kin'Tarr Minmatar Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.30 00:07:00 - [284] I lost a Zealot. K.O.S
The VoidStalker Gallente Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.31 00:29:00 - [285] So when you guys actually gonna fight?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.31 16:09:00 - [286] Originally by: The VoidStalker So when you guys actually gonna fight? Well we keep looking for one. Fingers crossed before too long we'll find and opportunity that brings Core out of dock at the same time we have a decent fleet out and we'll see what happens. As noted elsewhere you guys are winning on the technicality of K/D ratio at the moment (for whatever that means) but more importantly you are able to act against our allies without us providing substantive opposition. This needs to change and it is now up the Free Captains of the Star Fraction to raise our efforts and improve our performance in the warzone. Still, we've been in hard places before and it won't be the last time. So lets see what happens in the months ahead. Join the Revolution!
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.01 04:56:00 - [287] Predator Elite leads fleets originating in Huola every day from 0200 to 0500 EVE time. They are usually BC-BS gangs, usually Amarr heavy. Anywhere from 20% to 50% of the fleet is comprised of members of Core Impulse. The occasionally have capital support but mostly just fly around in sub-caps. The general consensus of the majority of Minmatar militia corps is that the best strategy against CORIM is to suicide themselves over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again into their fleets, scoring few if any kills and generally sitting in station and complaining in the channel-which-shall-not-be-named. Other parties, which for the time being will remain unnamed, within the Minmatar Militia have attempted and succeeded at engaging and fighting off these fleets on numerous occasions but since they are not "the spearhead" nor are they "the cornerstone" of the Minmatar Militia they seem to be oblivious in the eyes of the Fraction. I would like to encourage SF to at the very least stalk these mythical fleets and at the very least ***** on to the kills they make. In any case my groundbreaking intell should provide you with the opportunity to deliver a telling blow to the evil that is CORIM. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.01 05:44:00 - [288] wait a minute... you know something the great constantine doesn't!!! are you... god
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.01 06:04:00 - [289] Seems like Star fraction just like to beat there own drums Were was ur elite rescue omgwtf pwn fleet wen the ROSS pos was under attack? a mate had to drop CH a cyno to clear the field. Stop posting in here Jade and get some kills.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 12:38:00 - [290] Originally by: Sneaky Noob SF stating that one or two corps are the "spearhead" and "main corps" in militia is creating more bad blood between the corps themselves than the amarr ever could. Except that the Star Fraction has not made any such statements about corporations in the Minmatar militia. The only people creating bad blood are the ones peddling falsehoods of that kind. Perhaps it is an honest mistake on the part of such people. If so, they will be prepared to be corrected on this point. The question people should ask themselves is who's interests are served by this sort of nonsense? Who indeed has always tried to make these sorts of claims about the Star Fraction's relationship with the Minmatar militia? Who wants these splits to exist? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 12:49:00 - [291] Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Seems like Star fraction just like to beat there own drums Were was ur elite rescue omgwtf pwn fleet wen the ROSS pos was under attack? a mate had to drop CH a cyno to clear the field. Stop posting in here Jade and get some kills. I will tell you something right now ... Fighters of the Star Fraction have never been particularly impressed by the attitude of the Ice Fire Warriors and if you consider Star Fraction's involvement in this warzone to be a negative feel free to set us neutral and we will happily recipricate and ignore you. We didn't declare this campaign to help Ice Fire Warriors because frankly our past interactions have not convinced us that you are friends of the revolution and we are not going to put ships on the line to defend people who are constantly doing us down on galnet and local channels. We don't need you in our fleets. We don't particularly trust you. There is absolutely no need for us to cooperate. We are happy to fly with and help ANY member of the TLF who is interested in cooperation and wants to fight CORE more than making cheap forum points however. But Ice Fire Warriors? You are nobody to us. We declared this war to help our friends in ROSS. Try reading the op in future before opening your mouths on IGS. Join the Revolution!
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.01 15:43:00 - [292] Originally by: Jade Constantine we are not going to put ships on the line to defend people. You couldnt defend yourselfs much less anyone else, also you have no ships to put on the line other than ones with cloaks, that haul more cloaks. Originally by: Jade Constantine We don't need you in our fleets. We don't particularly trust you. There is absolutely no need for us to cooperate. Yes, you dont need any extra help making a total ass out of yourself your corp and your allience, you do quite well enough on your own Jade. Originally by: Jade Constantine We are happy to fly with and help ANY member of the TLF who is interested in cooperation and wants to fight CORE more than making cheap forum points however. Agian Jade you lead SF's forum babble forward into more stupid and irrelivant posts, attempting to make up for anything you have actually achived in game and no one is buying it Originally by: Jade Constantine You are nobody to us. and you are nobody to anyone else. Originally by: Jade Constantine We declared this war to help our friends in ROSS. Try reading the op in future before opening your mouths on IGS. You continue to fail to help them but its okay, im sure ROSS wont mind the daily ass kickings, because of all these loverly pages of forum utter jibber jabber u insist on spewing out.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 15:46:00 - [293] Keep whining Muad'dib. I'm sure the more you complain about our wardec the more it convinces people its having no effect. Join the Revolution!
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.01 15:56:00 - [294] Originally by: Jade Constantine Keep whining Muad'dib. I'm sure the more you complain about our wardec the more it convinces people its having no effect. nah i just like to chip in every few pages to outline your continued failure, and i enjoy highlighting some of the total rubbish you come out with in 'your defence' U cant control your urge to spam this gibberish, you cant control CORIM. however 10 pages is impressive, in some small way. You should have set 10 pages as another goal, then you might be able to claim another little victory in at least one aspect.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 16:33:00 - [295] Originally by: Muad 'dib nah i just like to chip in every few pages to outline your continued failure, and i enjoy highlighting some of the total rubbish you come out with in 'your defence' Who is "defending." We declared war for the reasons clearly stated in the op. Reasons remain hence we are still at war. Anything else from our enemies is just whining. If you want to war ended come and try to end it. Join the Revolution!
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.01 17:21:00 - [296] Originally by: Jade Constantine Who is "defending." We declared war for the reasons clearly stated in the op. Reasons remain hence we are still at war. Anything else from our enemies is just whining. If you want to war ended come and try to end it. you trying to defend your motives and sucesses with this so called war, which is more of an infrequent scrum. "no no its totaly a war, we like are totally winning even tho we havnt met any of our own objectives regarding the control of a single FW corp" - Jade. thats the type of thing you say, i simplified it because you bury your claims in such drivel that its hard for the average joe to understand what the heck your banging on about half the time.
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.01 18:58:00 - [297] 1.- I'm not in Ice Fire Warriors. 2.- Stop claiming you're "helping" the Minmatar Militia and clarify you only help specific corps that enjoy being your lapdogs and attend your circlejerk parties. 3.- Not that I care but you might... but IFW and ROSS have a much closer relationship than SF will ever have with any FW corp. Deal with it. 4.- Insignificant "alliance" doesn't trust certain corps and is unimpressed by them. Let me pretend I care. 5.- In the end, results and actions are worth 1000 words. Hurry up and do something. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:40:00 - [298] Originally by: Muad 'dib ... its hard for the average joe to understand what the heck your banging on about half the time. I think the "average joe" simply assumes you are continuously whining on our threads because you aren't happy with the situation. Often the simplest answer is the right one. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:44:00 - [299] As for the "sneaky noob", I'll just categorize you with the rest of the race-traitors and collaborators. You are worthless to the Revolution certainly. As for your continual attacks on the Fraction. Join the chorus, your involvement is equally worthless. Join the Revolution!
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.01 22:32:00 - [300] sweetheart, i AM the revolution. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
S'inister	Posted - 2010.09.01 23:17:00 - [301] Edited by: S''inister on 01/09/2010 23:18:18 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Muad 'dib ... its hard for the average joe to understand what the heck your banging on about half the time. I think the "average joe" simply assumes you are continuously whining on our threads because you aren't happy with the situation. Often the simplest answer is the right one. "not happy with the situation". Id dare say than noone in CORIM could care less about the wardec from a "on the ground" perspective, not even a minor nuisance. Anyone that has read IGS for a while knows that crossing swords with you on forum is a futile exersice, regardless of the actual effect on a targets operation (in this case CORIM).
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.01 23:25:00 - [302] Originally by: S'inister Id dare say than noone in CORIM could care less about the wardec ... Your continually pathetic bleating on this summit seems to suggest you aren't as comfortable with it as you claim. Still, time will out. Join the Revolution!
Bashiri No.Mercy	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:11:00 - [303] Originally by: Muad 'dib Originally by: Jade Constantine Keep whining Muad'dib. I'm sure the more you complain about our wardec the more it convinces people its having no effect. nah i just like to chip in every few pages to outline your continued failure, and i enjoy highlighting some of the total rubbish you come out with in 'your defence' U cant control your urge to spam this gibberish, you cant control CORIM. however 10 pages is impressive, in some small way. You should have set 10 pages as another goal, then you might be able to claim another little victory in at least one aspect. Just wait till Jade starts calling you a pirate to get cva on your back. Like that even matter. Also 1 thread of 10 pages is ok shoot.but for 10 threads of 10 pages is better. I see SF still cant win any fight just look at there kb
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:30:00 - [304] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Seems like Star fraction just like to beat there own drums Were was ur elite rescue omgwtf pwn fleet wen the ROSS pos was under attack? a mate had to drop CH a cyno to clear the field. Stop posting in here Jade and get some kills. We are happy to fly with and help ANY member of the TLF who is interested in cooperation and wants to fight CORE more than making cheap forum points however. So what you are saying is, in conjunction with your alliance, you will accept help from other groups to defeat a single corp? Also, what are your objectives against DIA, now that the war dec has been declared?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:42:00 - [305] Originally by: Invelious Also, what are your objectives against DIA, now that the war dec has been declared? We're rather hoping we can tempt you to undock. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:49:00 - [306] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Also, what are your objectives against DIA, now that the war dec has been declared? We're rather hoping we can tempt you to undock. WAIT!, if we undock, then you win, is this correct?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:51:00 - [307] Originally by: Invelious WAIT!, if we undock, then you win, is this correct? You have to admit its quite an accomplishment. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:53:00 - [308] Edited by: Invelious on 02/09/2010 02:53:30 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious WAIT!, if we undock, then you win, is this correct? You have to admit its quite an accomplishment. No Jade, thats not the accomplishment, the accomplishment is our 5430 combat kills we achieved inside stations while docked.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 03:10:00 - [309] Originally by: Invelious No Jade, thats not the accomplishment, the accomplishment is our 5430 combat kills we achieved inside stations while docked. Sounds scary, I bet we'll hardly be able to move around at all with your elite combat forces infesting the warzone. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.02 03:23:00 - [310] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious No Jade, thats not the accomplishment, the accomplishment is our 5430 combat kills we achieved inside stations while docked. Sounds scary, I bet we'll hardly be able to move around at all with your elite combat forces infesting the warzone. Not at all, you wont be able to move because you guys do jack Sh!t out there, period. We will go about our business, and you will circle around like vultures trying to score off of the work of the minmatar militia to make it look like you guys are achieving anything of value.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:04:00 - [311] Originally by: Invelious Not at all, you wont be able to move because you guys do jack Sh!t out there, period. We will go about our business, and you will circle around like vultures trying to score off of the work of the minmatar militia to make it look like you guys are achieving anything of value. yawn change the holodisk, you really are like a stuck record. Fight don't talk, then come and tell us about it. Join the Revolution!
xcvb1234	Posted - 2010.09.02 05:58:00 - [312] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Not at all, you wont be able to move because you guys do jack Sh!t out there, period. We will go about our business, and you will circle around like vultures trying to score off of the work of the minmatar militia to make it look like you guys are achieving anything of value. yawn change the holodisk, you really are like a stuck record. Fight don't talk, then come and tell us about it. Perfect.
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:19:00 - [313] Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 07:23:39 Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Seems like Star fraction just like to beat there own drums Were was ur elite rescue omgwtf pwn fleet wen the ROSS pos was under attack? a mate had to drop CH a cyno to clear the field. Stop posting in here Jade and get some kills. As newer flesh to the IFW corporation I urge you to hold your tongue. Before going ahead and speaking of happenings and stats you know nothing about I suggest you look here. Them militia had come to -SF- for aid to defend a RF militia POS. We showed up(when no other alliance would)... the militia however did not. Well actually they did, in a fleet of pathetic bombers... only a couple of which actually decloaked. I was the person holding these talks with the milita and I was assured that the TLF would be bringing all they could in terms of RR battleships as per our agreement. Yet they did no such thing. The only "real" ships in the vicinity were the enemy and -SF-. You hung us out to try. Without ROSS rounding everyone up the TLF in the kamela theatre is very disorganized. Quit your bickering and focussing your internal frustrations elsewhere and fix your own damn mess. The TLF is quickly becoming the laughing stock of the races and -SF- remains in place to assist with what they can... yet you mock them? Aside from the IFW veterans that actually know the history to have the right to speak of such things... I have lost respect for IFW completely. OH! And speaking of defending ROSS/TLF Towers... Battle for Auga Mock the ships all you wish. The tactic indeed worked. Their tanks were holding until -SF- FC's we're coordinating with TLF FC's/personnel to choose their targets. The added DPS saved that tower... without it it would have been lost. Intel feed: "Their cruisers are tearing us apart!!!" Video Footage A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.02 08:57:00 - [314] Originally by: Icarus3 Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 07:37:35 OH! And speaking of defending ROSS/TLF Towers... Battle for Auga Look at that again. Not ROSS. VTHRR. Vitharr's Vengeance My old corp. My old tower. Me and my corpmates gunning from the tower. My corpmates lost carriers the day before. IFW, KIA, CTRL-Q, FUGS and ROSS... all working together :) I organized the support gangs in both engagements, as well POS-gunning on an alt, as well as coordinating the repping teams (check your own vid, you'll see one of my current corpmates in a Rorqual repping the pos). Me. Oh no. Welcome to the Revolution. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:38:00 - [315] This thread devilered, thank you all. and... Wow jade, just wow. (---> its that way)
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:31:00 - [316] Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 10:32:38 Originally by: Sneaky Noob Originally by: Icarus3 Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 07:37:35 OH! And speaking of defending ROSS/TLF Towers... Battle for Auga Look at that again. Not ROSS. VTHRR. Vitharr's Vengeance My old corp. My old tower. Me and my corpmates gunning from the tower. My corpmates lost carriers the day before. IFW, KIA, CTRL-Q, FUGS and ROSS... all working together :) I organized the support gangs in both engagements, as well POS-gunning on an alt, as well as coordinating the repping teams (check your own vid, you'll see one of my current corpmates in a Rorqual repping the pos). Me. Oh no. Welcome to the Revolution. This is aside from the point, but yes you are right. I wasn't wanting to list all the corporations specifically but maybe I should have. I had no intention of offending anyone aside from the smack talkers from IFW. IFW have indeed, in the past, played a significant role in fleets as well. All I am able to witness these days is bickering and ungratefulness. And of course I remember the mighty rorqual. When I loaded grid I remember thinking "RORQUAL FOR PEW PEW!" A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:29:00 - [317] Originally by: Icarus3 Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 07:37:35 bunch of ignorance the reason the pos in auga never fell was due to the precise stront timing for just after DT where we had 30+mins every night to have a repping fleet at the poss to rep it up about 50% to re-stront before the amarr could form a fleet to attack, no other reason. Pos in kemela LOL. one that was NEVER asked for, and was NEVER used besides when TLF came to try and save ur baken in kemela countless times, Kettle meet pot. I agree that some things have been said out of line, however i also believe much of it is due to -SF-'s forum chest beating that has been backed up with very little action, i am in militia fleets daily and yet i have yet to see more than 3 SF members in a fleet over the last few months, sometimes more than 3 chars but that is due to colvena's eleventy awesome alts. Jade now claiming that we (IFW) are traitors to the republic blah blah blah, just cause for a single members post on a forum is just laughable, i always thought he was more levelled headed, all we can do now is go grab some popcorn, i guess. those who are actually on the battle field (a.k.a NOT JADE) know what we are about and we will continue to enjoy your company. Moa ------> that way.
Jive Bunny	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:12:00 - [318] Jade u say u are there to help ROSS and u don't care much for IFW witch is fine. But were was ur help wen the ROSS Pos was attacked a few days ago? Its all talk no action Jade. It seems like alot of ppl are starting to see that on both sides Minmatar and Amarr and u scare nobody at all. Still Amarr roam around freely with much greater numbers. But it comes in waves last month it was minmater who had the better numbers and maybe in 2 months minmater will bounce back. They don't need u guys saying that they need Alliance help. It makes Minmater militia look bad and it makes u look worse wen u guys don't actually fight. As for IFW being untrustworthy that's ridiculous They have more kills then any Minmatar militia corp and they fight the hardest. Mind you're Tongue or u might loose it. Fair enough ROSS is ur little puppy corp but can u either join militia or stay out of it. Thank u
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:18:00 - [319] Quote: the reason the pos in auga never fell was due to the precise stront timing for just after DT where we had 30+mins every night to have a repping fleet at the poss to rep it up about 50% to re-stront before the amarr could form a fleet to attack, no other reason. This was indeed useful, but the only reason the tower survived. IFW/TLF paid respects to -SF- for aiding in that battle at the time so why not now? Quote: Pos in kemela LOL. one that was NEVER asked for, and was NEVER used besides when TLF came to try and save ur baken in kemela countless times, Wrong. I personally had numerous conversations and gave the location etc to numerous pilots/corp leadership figures. I also remember numerous occasions where fleets of TLF warriors had used this tower at a form up point/safe house which at those times had nothing to do with -SF-. Quote: I agree that some things have been said out of line, however i also believe much of it is due to -SF-'s forum chest beating that has been backed up with very little action, i am in militia fleets daily and yet i have yet to see more than 3 SF members in a fleet over the last few months, sometimes more than 3 chars but that is due to colvena's eleventy awesome alts. I appreciate your honesty and intelligence here. I to agree to this... to an extent. Lets just try to keep in mind that every corporation and alliance has it's up times and it's down times. -SF- has been through a lot recently which may have reduced their numbers for the time being, but the will to fight for freedom is and always will be their top priority. Quote: Jade now claiming that we (IFW) are traitors to the republic blah blah blah, just cause for a single members post on a forum is just laughable, i always thought he was more levelled headed, all we can do now is go grab some popcorn, i guess. This I must have missed. I will do the digging and see it for myself though I will not recall any of my claims here. I stand by the words I say. Regardless of what I am able to find on the IGS regarding this... I am still shocked to see such a decreased level of respect and appreciation in all honesty. A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:42:00 - [320] Originally by: jasper beamsalot Jade now claiming that we (IFW) are traitors to the republic blah blah blah, just cause for a single members post on a forum is just laughable, i always thought he was more levelled headed, all we can do now is go grab some popcorn, i guess. We don't really care what you are. We certainly haven't claimed you are "traitors to the republic". We simply think you are bad forum posters disrespectful to those who were your allies. SF have set you neutral because we are no longer interested in working with those who publicly disrespect the help we have given. Nobody would expect a positive working relationship with people that routinely deploy Amarr-grade smack against friendlies. As neutrals we wish you the best of luck in the warzone and hope you find success on other fronts against the Amarrians. Since we cannot work together I hope we cause harm to the 24th Crusade working apart. We remain fully committed against our mutual enemies with any TLF entity that is prepared to simply fight our common foe. Join the Revolution!
Nano J	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:24:00 - [321] IFW has no problem with SF. IFW has a problem with Jade.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:27:00 - [322] Originally by: Nano J IFW has no problem with SF. IFW has a problem with Jade. I'm guessing this is a problem that will manifest in posting nonsense on the forum and poor quality local smack talk right? Join the Revolution!
Nano J	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:33:00 - [323] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Nano J IFW has no problem with SF. IFW has a problem with Jade. I'm guessing this is a problem that will manifest in posting nonsense on the forum and poor quality local smack talk right? I think you just proved your own point. =\
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:36:00 - [324] Originally by: Nano J IFW has no problem with SF. IFW has a problem with Jade. Sounds to me like an issue that is best left to high level diplomats and CEO's to settle if anything really. A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Nano J	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:49:00 - [325] Originally by: Icarus3 Originally by: Nano J IFW has no problem with SF. IFW has a problem with Jade. Sounds to me like an issue that is best left to high level diplomats and CEO's to settle if anything really. Let me rephrase: I have no problem with SF. I have a problem with Jade. I just happen to know that that's the general opinion of IFW. I'm not one for speaking publicly about this stuff. I'd rather my guns do the talking. That said, I'm going to try to limit Jade's excitement as he counts the pages to this thread every day. Just my two cents. =]
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:11:00 - [326] Originally by: Nano J I'm not one for speaking publicly about this stuff. You aren't "one" for telling the truth on galnet either it seems ... Seriously, if you have a problem with me why not speak to me about it privately before bringing this nonsense to galnet - its not like I've been very hard to find. It almost seems like you never tried. Join the Revolution!
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:58:00 - [327] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: jasper beamsalot Jade now claiming that we (IFW) are traitors to the republic blah blah blah, just cause for a single members post on a forum is just laughable, i always thought he was more levelled headed, all we can do now is go grab some popcorn, i guess. We don't really care what you are. We certainly haven't claimed you are "traitors to the republic". We simply think you are bad forum posters disrespectful to those who were your allies. SF have set you neutral because we are no longer interested in working with those who publicly disrespect the help we have given. Nobody would expect a positive working relationship with people that routinely deploy Amarr-grade smack against friendlies. As neutrals we wish you the best of luck in the warzone and hope you find success on other fronts against the Amarrians. Since we cannot work together I hope we cause harm to the 24th Crusade working apart. We remain fully committed against our mutual enemies with any TLF entity that is prepared to simply fight our common foe. Neutral? You? You do not know the meaning of the word. You are so instilled with bias and follow an agenda to serve yourself and yourselves only that any "neutrality" you can claim is only technical definition which the boolean triggers of CONCORD and faction warfare afford you. I have long said that I welcome it when SF comes to the FW front because many times they kill more minmatar than we do. Oh, not by shooting them, heavens no, but by promising support and assistance that is often a heartbeat too late or too minimal when it does arrive. They must whip the Minmmatar pilots into quite a frenzy on some mutual channel and drive them before them into combat, using them as fodder and tenderizer. If you doubt me, you only need to look closely at battle report with SF/Minmatar combined fleets. Who is usually absent from the early kills, but there in great numbers on the later kills? All I can add is that as a covert pilot, I often watch the gates, and "red stars" often jump through gates or activate accelerators long before SF does, though they were both present at the same time. If the battle goes poorly for the Minamatar, the SF may not jump at all, but if they get the upper hand, the SF is there to join their allies in glorious cleanup! It seems your "allies" are becoming wise to the SF's SOP's and may not like being pawns for you any more... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.02 18:08:00 - [328] Jade my original criticism wasnt directed at anybody in particular just that there is little action backing up all the talk. All you needed to do was shutup and get some kills, and i wouldve easily ate my words and apologized. Instead you make yourself look more like an amarrian supported than minny and conduct a smear campaign against those that would challenge your assertions. You hope we find success on other fronts against the amarr? You must be mistaken, IFW is already successfully fighting the amarr. You however.... well that remains to be seen.
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.02 18:11:00 - [329] poasting in a JADEDOT thread The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.02 18:31:00 - [330] ok, "serious" reply this time: I personally have no beef against anyone in Star Fraction, any of it's corps or the alliance in general. In the past they have been good allies to the corps in Minmatar Factional Warfare. They have provided intell, cap support, logistical support, and general combat support as well. Now, it is important to note that Minmatar Militia has also provided SF with the same... all in all it was a reciprocal relationship. Where did it go wrong? Simply put, the overheating of the propaganda machine without the corresponding results on the battlefield. When SF in general and Jade in particular start shutting up and showing up on the battlefield, all this pointless blaming and name-calling will be rendered moot. Factional Warfare corps on both sides ultimately respect one thing and one thing only. RESULTS. KILLS. Words are ephemeral and meaningless on the battlefield. Back up your words with actions. Dare to ACT. Welcome to the Revolution. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 18:42:00 - [331] Originally by: Sneaky Noob ok, "serious" reply this time: I personally have no beef against anyone in Star Fraction, any of it's corps or the alliance in general. In the past they have been good allies to the corps in Minmatar Factional Warfare. They have provided intell, cap support, logistical support, and general combat support as well. Now, it is important to note that Minmatar Militia has also provided SF with the same... all in all it was a reciprocal relationship. Where did it go wrong? Simply put, the overheating of the propaganda machine without the corresponding results on the battlefield. When SF in general and Jade in particular start shutting up and showing up on the battlefield, all this pointless blaming and name-calling will be rendered moot. Factional Warfare corps on both sides ultimately respect one thing and one thing only. RESULTS. KILLS. Words are ephemeral and meaningless on the battlefield. Back up your words with actions. Dare to ACT. Welcome to the Revolution. You will find constantly insulting your allies doesn't motivate them to fight with you. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:13:00 - [332] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 02/09/2010 19:14:50 Ice Fire Warriors You will receive a war declaration soon. Unfortunately, I'm not as patient and soft hearted as my lover. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:19:00 - [333] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 02/09/2010 19:14:50 Ice Fire Warriors You will receive a war declaration soon. Unfortunately, I'm not as patient and soft hearted as my lover. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik And this is how we win my dear. by making you fight our battles for us. Dunn Idaho Core Impulse
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:28:00 - [334] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 02/09/2010 19:14:50 Ice Fire Warriors You will receive a war declaration soon. Unfortunately, I'm not as patient and soft hearted as my lover. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik And this is how we win my dear. by making you fight our battles for us. Dunn Idaho Core Impulse I'm a Sani Sabik, who wins or not here isn't my issue. Read the announcement about escalations of wars in Bleaklands and you will understand exactly how it works. At this point, yes you are deserving to win. I respect power not weakling moaning. Congratulations to you so far. You are playing smarter than they are. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Colt Landers	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:37:00 - [335] I hate these boards, hate hearing about them, hate the chat channels I am in being cluttered by them. I will say though that Revan might accomplish what we all want by declaring war on IFW. She will possibly unify the militia. Unfortunately, the unification will be against her corp since it has decided to war dec a militia corp with closer ties to the TLF than "her lover". Never let emotion cloud logic. It would be no different than a pirate corp of Amamake war decing a militia corp. This will be very interesting to see the divide that happens if this war dec does come to pass. The target rich environment just gets richer. -LP

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:38:00 - [336] removed a couple ooc responses Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:39:00 - [337] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 02/09/2010 19:39:47 Originally by: Colt Landers I hate these boards, hate hearing about them, hate the chat channels I am in being cluttered by them. I will say though that Revan might accomplish what we all want by declaring war on IFW. She will possibly unify the militia. Unfortunately, the unification will be against her corp since it has decided to war dec a militia corp with closer ties to the TLF than "her lover". Never let emotion cloud logic. It would be no different than a pirate corp of Amamake war decing a militia corp. This will be very interesting to see the divide that happens if this war dec does come to pass. The target rich environment just gets richer. -LP That's a possibility too. Let's see if they are up to the challenge and perhaps some additional shaking on things will put these more unreliable minds and mouths in their rightful place. Good observation, cheers Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.02 20:01:00 - [338] *ChipMo laughs... I have to presume that these "Ice Fire Warrior" pilots are Amarrian subterfuge agents. I can't honestly believe - even if they do dislike us - that they would reject our help when we ask for nothing in return. Gift horse, mouth? - If this friction isn't smoothed out I expect you'll come to regret it sooner or later. SF is here for the long haul. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.02 20:05:00 - [339] Originally by: ChipMo ChipMo laughs... I have to presume that these "Ice Fire Warrior" pilots are Amarrian subterfuge agents. Absolutely, therefore their obvious inclusion into the list of CONCORD sanctioned wars that will soon happen, after Concord bureaucracy timing exceeds. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by:* Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.09.02 23:34:00 - [340] It saddens and angers me to see this fighting. As a founding member of Huang Yinglong, I have flown with many current Star Fraction pilots before they joined, and indeed count among your members some of most closest comrades-in-arms. Axen Vormar, Dupuy, Vantlor, Clovnea, Tetseptus--these are all names that are honored with HUANG's halls. Currently, I fly almost nightly with pilots of the Ice Fire Warriors. They represent, to me, the epitomy of Minmatar fighters--brave to the point of reckless, ferocious and fearless, ever seeking to bring the enemy to bear, heedless of danger, despising authority. I would target anyone, ANYONE who fired upon one of these brothers of mine. They rank among the finest fighters I have had the honor to serve with. If they hold any pilot in low esteem, it is because the require, no, DEMAND proof of the worthiness of a pilot. And that worthiness is judged by the coldest of measures: enemy kills. They laugh at their own faults and mistakes, and laugh harder at others (I have been known to 'occasionally' abandon my drones on the field, for which I am the butt of endless jokes). Anyone who can prove their worth upon the field of battle earns their respect, even enemies. But those who posture and pontificate, claiming valor and success without the kills to back them up? Those pilots earn their open scorn. I challenge any pilot in Star Fraction to refute my honor, or that of any HUANG pilot. That stated, though IFW pilots are tend to being crude and rude, by my estimation they have more than earned this right. Any who challenge their honor, loyalty to the Republic, or pure fighting ability, had better be able to point to their own combat record. And if they cannot, then I will side with my IFW brothers. My personal pod pilot journal addressing my concerns about the current standing of Star Fraction can be found here.
Koronakesh Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 00:11:00 - [341] Originally by: Kuan Yida Edited by: Kuan Yida on 02/09/2010 23:40:40 I challenge any pilot in Star Fraction to refute my honor, or that of any HUANG pilot. That stated, though IFW pilots are tend to being crude and rude, by my estimation they have more than earned this right. Any who challenge their honor, loyalty to the Republic, or pure fighting ability, had better be able to point to their own combat record. And if they cannot, then I will side with my IFW brothers. You and I've not met, Kuan Yida, and you're likely as ignorant of my history as I am of yours, but we've opposing views on this organization. As someone who fought them (ostensibly) over the better part of a year during my Crusade tenure, many of them are some of the least respectable individuals I've had the misfortune of meeting. Your estimation they've some right here is incorrect. Consider yourself refuted, sir.
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 00:29:00 - [342] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 02/09/2010 19:14:50 Ice Fire Warriors You will receive a war declaration soon. Unfortunately, I'm not as patient and soft hearted as my lover. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ./popcorn
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 00:35:00 - [343] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 00:36:38 Originally by: Kuan Yida I challenge any pilot in Star Fraction to refute my honor. My personal pod pilot journal addressing my concerns about the current standing of Star Fraction can be found here. This is a disgraceful and deceitful journal entry and I name you a cowardly crawling dog and challenge you to single combat if you have a valourous bone in your body. Battleships of choice to the death. Your words are deeply ungrateful to warriors who have bled and sacrificed to our mutual cause. They are a dishonour to your people, your ancestors and your reputation. Jade Constantine, Executor, Star Fraction. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 00:40:00 - [344] Originally by: jasper beamsalot ./popcorn No, war actually. And wine and cheese instead, popcorn is for paupers. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 00:58:00 - [345] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 00:36:38 This is a disgraceful and deceitful journal entry .. blah blah Seems truth hurts, or are you so ignorant that you dont know how the majority of the militia see you?
Chimaira wolf Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.03 01:08:00 - [346] To wardec IFW is to wardec minmatar militia. After speaking with some SF members it's clear the problem is with jade not their whole alliance. SF are pretty decent ppl. Signature removed due to non-EVE related content. Applebabe
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 01:40:00 - [347] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 01:40:10 Originally by: Chimaira wolf To wardec IFW is to wardec minmatar militia. You're welcome to fire back after they receive the wardec or even declare war yourselves. I assure you, more targets won't be an issue to the military forces in question. IFW is welcome to make an apology statement directed to my lover before the war dec goes life if they want to avoid this minor issue inside the already confused Minmatar Militia. If not, so be it. War it is. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:00:00 - [348] Jade: Accepted. Name your second, and I will name mine. As the challenged, I choose the weapon: Rupture cruisers. As to conditions, I will begin to consider these. Vantlor and other SIF pilots: I drew special attention to SIF and Axen as being exceptions, and I bear you all only respect and friendship. You have above others have risked and lost much in the support of our fleets. I humbly apologize if I have impugned your honor or disparaged your worth. You remain a valued friend and ally, as do the other greats of the old Molden Heath NMTZ days.
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:12:00 - [349] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 01:40:10 Originally by: Chimaira wolf To wardec IFW is to wardec minmatar militia. You're welcome to fire back after they receive the wardec or even declare war yourselves. I assure you, more targets won't be an issue to the military forces in question. IFW is welcome to make an apology statement directed to my lover before the war dec goes life if they want to avoid this minor issue inside the already confused Minmatar Militia. If not, so be it. War it is. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik You don't get it do you? We're are a Minmatar Militia Factional Warfare Corporation. We fight. This why we undock, this is what keeps us flying together, fighting together and dying together day after day. To put it in words you can understand... more targets? bring it on sweetcheeks, we love ourselves a good wrestle. Welcome to the Revolution... cover your hair and your eyes. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:13:00 - [350] Suddenly explosions.... Lots of them
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:17:00 - [351] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 02:19:04 Originally by: Sneaky Noob You don't get it do you? Of course I do. You want more war decs, so it will be. I'll consider choosing other 4 minmatar militia corporations not associated with my friends and switch the programmed war decs that I had towards amarr, to the minmatar militia instead. To me, makes no difference. I am very pleased to attend any request as such. If you think you will win any war by making allied, as enemies. indeed I start to see why Amarr is succeeding. You seem to need a better war strategist. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Kaito Kenshin Twilight Labs	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:47:00 - [352] I just want to make sure I have this right in my head. I'm not trying to step on any toes. Setting the stage: 1. ROSS and IFW are close allies in the Minmatar militia. 2. CORIM are some big dogs in the Amarr militia. 3. Jade (SF) and Revan (Archaeus) are happily in love. Events: 1. SF declares war on CORIM to assist ROSS specifically, not the Minmatar militia. 2. Revan hires Genos to kinda fight CORIM, but more to be a wild card in the Bleak Lands purging humanity of weakness. Genos also engages SF and other targets of opportunity. 3. Jade and IFW get very mad at each other, so... 4. Archaeus declares war on IFW. The effective result of all this is adding two new entities directing conflict toward each of the original players in this little opera: SF and Genos arrayed against the Amarrians; Archaeus and Genos arrayed against the Minmatar. But with SF only supporting part of the Minmatar militia while Archaeus fights the other part, how does one take bets on this conflict?
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:49:00 - [353] Wow u have a pretty epic Epeen revan!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 02:55:00 - [354] Originally by: Kaito Kenshin I just want to make sure I have this right in my head. I'm not trying to step on any toes. Setting the stage: 1. ROSS and IFW are close allies in the Minmatar militia. 2. CORIM are some big dogs in the Amarr militia. 3. Jade (SF) and Revan (Archaeus) are happily in love. Events: 1. SF declares war on CORIM to assist ROSS specifically, not the Minmatar militia. 2. Revan hires Genos to kinda fight CORIM, but more to be a wild card in the Bleak Lands purging humanity of weakness. Genos also engages SF and other targets of opportunity. 3. Jade and IFW get very mad at each other, so... 4. Archaeus declares war on IFW. The effective result of all this is adding two new entities directing conflict toward each of the original players in this little opera: SF and Genos arrayed against the Amarrians; Archaeus and Genos arrayed against the Minmatar. But with SF only supporting part of the Minmatar militia while Archaeus fights the other part, how does one take bets on this conflict? I like that, but the pieces are not quite exactly as you put. You'll have a better overview soon about how the pieces are put here. I like your report though. I truly do. Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Wow u have a pretty epic Epeen revan! What's that exactly? If you tell in details, I may be able to agree or disagree with you. Let's see. Revan Neferis Thrice-illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:06:00 - [355] Good luck Kuan! If you pod Jade can I have the corpse? Pretty please?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:14:00 - [356] Originally by: Shalee Lianne Good luck Kuan! If you pod Jade can I have the corpse? Pretty please? Mmm, Amarrians cheering on the Matari against the Fraction. Says it all really. Suggests we are unwelcome guests in a private war rather profoundly. On the duel. Claire XXX will be my second and I accept your choice of weapon. Ruptures it will be. Obviously our duel will settle nothing since it is fought for anger and frustration and it will not still the bitterness I feel at the betrayal from those I considered friends and comrades and have fought very hard to help and protect in these long conflicts. At best it will bring a moments gratification that at last I have brought a disrespectful forum speaker to battle as long as it lasts, but when the battle is done I doubt respect can find a place to rest on the splintered foundation of broken trust between us. Win or lose you have lost a friend this day. But we will fight for the ritual of the thing. What else is there to do. Join the Revolution!
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:33:00 - [357] Quote: Obviously our duel will settle nothing since it is fought for anger and frustration and it will not still the bitterness I feel at the betrayal from those I considered friends and comrades and have fought very hard to help and protect in these long conflicts. I fight not from anger or frustration, but to defend and uphold honor, as I expect you do as well. I take no pleasure from this. I have been challenged, and let it not be said I have ever allowed a challenge and insults to myself and my comrades go unanswered. I do not consider my criticisms of Star Fraction to be a betrayal. If you cannot swallow critique without hostility and anger, so be it. I hope also to continue the friendship and alliance of my other comrades still within Star Fraction, and hope that some will speak on my behalf in defense of my honor.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:49:00 - [358] Originally by: Kuan Yida I fight not from anger or frustration, but to defend and uphold honor, as I expect you do as well. No, there is no honour in this pitiful display of once allies seeking to kill each other over intemperate and disrespectful language, ungrateful backbiting and snide remarks. Just as their is no mutual respect towards those who wish to put the knife into the backs of those who have bled as comrades at your side in times before. I don't fight you because I honour you Kuan Yida, this is not a duel for grandious purpose or honourable spectacle. I fight you as a funeral game for my trust and faith in the Matari character. Memorial for what is lost. Our starships will circle in their violent display and regardless of result we have both lost an ally and friend and the universe will be the harder for us both in the future. Perhaps you will recruit some of the Free Captains to your cause and I wish them well. Enjoy the friendship of a handfull when you used to have the support of us all. Let us fight this duel on the ashes of our comradely-sense and invite the amarrians to come and laugh and sing at the pyre. At the last it makes a wonderfully poignant farce. Join the Revolution!
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:53:00 - [359] If I may be so bold, I would like to offer my services as bookie and take bets on this fight. I myself put 10 million ISK down on Kuan Yida. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 04:36:00 - [360] Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/09/2010 04:36:38 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 03:39:25 Mmm, Amarrians cheering on the Matari against the Fraction. Says it all really. Suggests we are unwelcome guests in a private pony war rather profoundly. First honest thing jade as said on galnet in some time. We did not ask for your help, nor will we stand by why you try and take credit for our efforts when you remain docked. Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 01:40:10 IFW is welcome to make an apology statement directed to my lover before the war dec goes life if they want to avoid this minor issue inside the already confused Minmatar Militia. We need to apologies? LOL. I refer to jades of the cuff reply to an IFW member saying æcomon jade stop the posting and come get some killsÆ Originally by: Jade Constantine I will tell you something right now ... Fighters of the Star Fraction have never been particularly impressed by the attitude of the Ice Fire Warriors and if you consider Star Fraction's involvement in this warzone to be a negative feel free to set us neutral and we will happily recipricate and ignore you. We didn't declare this campaign to help Ice Fire Warriors because frankly our past interactions have not convinced us that you are friends of the revolution and we are not going to put ships on the line to defend people who are constantly doing us down on galnet and local channels. We don't need you in our fleets. We don't particularly trust you. There is absolutely no need for us to cooperate. We are happy to fly with and help ANY member of the TLF who is interested in cooperation and wants to fight CORE more than making cheap forum points however. But Ice Fire Warriors? You are nobody to us. Sorry sir, this was not started by us. Jade got ***y due to the ppl they have declared to help (mini militia) are agreeing with the enemy that SF is all talk no action in its current incarnation. Again truth must hurt. So after this you (and your &^% buddy) are now labelling us as Amarr Loyalist spies that are enemies of the republic? You sir live in a warped universe. IFW has always and will always continue to fight for the Minmartar people and support all TLF Corporations, We have in excess of 18,000 kills toward this cause, how many do your alliance 10x our size have? Your alliance is behaving much live the AMARR empire and indeed the CVA alliance you claim is ur mortal enemy. When we did not full in line with your propaganda you label us traitors and try to pressure us into conforming with the ôWE LOVE SF BADNWAGONö, the irony is mind-blowing. SF claims to aid the minmatar people. If this is true, leave the warzone, you are causing more disruption to our causse than any good you could bring. If you remain in the war zone, we will have no choice but to engage your members as Revan is forcing our hand in this regard. Originally by: Jade Constantine But Ice Fire Warriors? You are nobody to us. We will remind you of this when your unable to join any militia fleets without the fear of being killed by æyour peopleÆ. And silence is correct, The militia corporations made a pact long ago that still stands, war dec one of us, the rest will war deck you back. So declaring war on IFW is indeed declaring war on the republic its self. Love to see the RP reasons for that. I would also think the amarr would be agreeable to a seise-fire when we see SF on field so we can eradicate our common enemy, much like how we dealt with Bane/Heretics in battles long past, as SF has shown they are nothing more than a run-of-the-mill-wantbe-pirate but dont have the balls to be red alliance. we await you on the battlefield.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 04:41:00 - [361] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 04:46:23 Originally by: jasper beamsalot Jade got ****y due to the ppl they have declared to help (mini militia) are agreeing with the enemy that SF is all talk no action in its current incarnation. As always from the Ice Fire Warriors you post without learning to read. We didn't declare this war to help the Minmatar Militia. We declared it to help our friends in ROSS corp who asked for our help. If the Militia is now dominated by Ice Fire Warriors and you do not seek our help so be it. We don't need nor ask for your involvement as we prosecute our wars against our chosen targets. Keep out of our way and there will be no problems. If you engage our fleets we will shorten your pride by the length of your necks. Learn a little respect. It will help you in the long term. Join the Revolution!
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 05:00:00 - [362] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 04:44:21 Learn a little respect. It will help you in the long term. Respect is Earned, that is the entire point, SF has done nothing to earn our respect in the last few months. Wake up to your self, it will help you in the long term
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 05:03:00 - [363] Originally by: jasper beamsalot Respect is Earned, that is the entire point, SF has done nothing to earn our respect in the last few months. And you have never earned ours. So like I said. Keep out of our way and we will have no problems. Fight the Amarrians and keep your mumbling minions off the forums and things will go smoothly. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 05:26:00 - [364] Originally by: jasper beamsalot We need to apologies? LOL. I refer to jades of the cuff reply to an IFW member saying æcomon jade stop the posting and come get some killsÆ Why should her? Are you ROSS to have a say in the matter? What makes you think that Jade should do alone, what your entire Militia didn't manage to do in your entire campaign? If nothing else, the failure is yours. It's your people enslaved, the free captains were asked to come as a support and left alone to do what you, as a whole and far superior numbers didn't accomplish: deal with Core Impulse. So you ask me if you should apologise? definitely. This, if expected any common sense from you which I'm sure the way these communications are being held, you have any. Revan Neferis Thrice-illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 05:42:00 - [365] Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/09/2010 05:44:28 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 05:26:04 And you have never earned ours. It has been very evident that you are no Captain Vaguy Fixed it for you. Originally by: Jade Constantine you cannot fill their boots and the overall TLF campaign against CORE IMPULSE has been a fiasco as a result. Umm says who? You? lol, we seem to think the war is going swimmingly, Anyway how would you know we have not even seen you in FW space let alone a KM. Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 05:26:04 You have provided no collaborative fleet assets or reliable support for us and so can hardly complain in return. Ummm you are blind as well as dumb? Just check the KB, IFW is the leading killers in the militita iÆm pretty sure that means we provided fleet assets. But in support of you? Well kettle met pot. You have yet to field any assets to assist anyone in this conflict to date. Check your own KB, i have many kills fighting side by side ur own fleets. Wish i could same the same for you in respect to ours. Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 05:26:04 But as I said. Keep out of our way and we will have no problems. Fight the Amarrians and keep your mumbling minions off the forums and local chat channels and things will go smoothly. Its your consistent posting off propaganda and talk of fighting with NO action to back it up that has gotten yourself in this mess, perhaps you should take some of your own advice? Originally by: Revan Neferis What makes you think that Jade should do alone, what your entire Militia didn't manage to do in your entire campaign? Dude pretty sure we are undocking AND fighting, thatÆs all we asked her to do.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:02:00 - [366] Originally by: jasper beamsalot Dude pretty sure we are undocking AND fighting, thatÆs all we asked her to do. First of all, no dude. Second of all, they are doing exactly that within the terms of their capability. The mere fact that they are willing to put their ships at space to fight a cause that is not even theirs, could be reason enough for you to not be so blind and acknowledge that in a more respectful way. What bothers me is the fact of you seem to think that they have some obligation towards you and your cause to see fit coming here and smearing an ally publicily without acknoledging your own failure on the matter. If Star Fraction, as a small guerilla Alliance didn't manage to make Core Impulse fold or leave the FW or even pose a treat to their massive capital ship, it's because you, as an entire Militia failed to do your part. Yet, I see that every day they are putting fleets of cruisers and going to camp amarr stations and doing their part and having loses and small victories with small lasers shooting suns. What that makes of you? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
nasty1 Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:11:00 - [367] OMG.. nooo unbelievable SF what's gone wrong, this is not good, Jade is a hero in so many eyes and now jade is showing his feelings, I got the feeling you were trying to take over the militia and now because people rebelled against it you resort to showing your feelings gee ross = captain = very hairy goat with horns, if somebody messes with the militia they mess with captain, if anyone messes with captain then they mess with the whole 2 militia mine & gal Are you seriously considering ross as an ally and even worse are you seriously considering decing a militia Corporation because of something you started, it just makes no sense i love all SF pilots, there is some great guys that I have flown with many times, how would this affect them I can see another heretics happening, they get all ****y, we pound them, corporation breaks up do you how many militia pilots would join IFW's I've heard people talking about it N. Don't look now but your ships on fire.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:18:00 - [368] Originally by: nasty1 Are you seriously considering ross as an ally Yes. Quote: ... and even worse are you seriously considering decing a militia Corporation No. Quote: ... because of something you started, it just makes no sense Saying its something we started is what makes no sense. Join the Revolution!
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:22:00 - [369] wow, sorry i was moving assets back into the warzone and was interrupted by these two engagements: http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=149355 http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=149370 notice the following: - lack of any SF anywhere on field. - multiple corps (not just those traitors in IFW). - VICTORY. - good ships, real ships on field. i still have a couple HACs that need to be moved into auga and have to go to rens to build a logi. hopefully the pirates in amamake will jump me and we'll get another fight. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
nasty1 Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:28:00 - [370] ross = captain, are you seriously considering captain will go against his militia, you have more chance convincing captain of being a hairy goat IFW + captain, he is not going to go against his friends and militia you're a great talker and that's one thing I admire about you and your sensibility now I know and you know you can't be seen to back down but maybe there is something a mess, some lost mail that would explain everything, maybe bahh could send you a mail that he received and you could verify the contents, because if you didn't verify the contents then it's all a misunderstanding, problem solved N. .....T.R.I.A.D.....
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:42:00 - [371] Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/09/2010 06:43:37 Originally by: Revan Neferis First of all, no dude. Second of all, they are doing exactly that within the terms of their capability. The mere fact that they are willing to put their ships at space to fight a cause that is not even theirs, could be reason enough for you to not be so blind and acknowledge that in a more respectful way. What bothers me is the fact of you seem to think that they have some obligation towards you and your cause to see fit coming here and smearing an ally publicily without acknoledging your own failure on the matter. æthey are willing to put their ships at space to fightÆ WHO?!?!? WHERE!?!?!!? As many many many many many if you hadnÆt noticed different groups of ppl in the thread have all uniformly stated, that there is only max 3 SF pilots active in the War Zone, Jade, You and the rest of the æmerryÆ group have not been seen. So your talking out your exhaust pipe my friend. As for believing we think SF has some obligation to IFW, nope donÆt know where you got that idea, but our only gripe is this thread and the falsities that jade is trying to portray involving our beloved militia And hows exactly have we failed in this war? (a war that is never ending i might add). Least we can say we fought in it, how about jade? Originally by: Revan Neferis If Star Fraction, as a small guerilla Alliance didn't manage to make Core Impulse fold or leave the FW or even pose a treat to their massive capital ship, it's because you, as an entire Militia failed to do your part. No sorry wrong, if Star faction cant manage to make core impulse fold, its due to their own inactivity and incompetence . Just because SF declarerÆs war on Core impulse does not mean that if they where to fold SF are responsible, You would actually have to take part in at least a SINGLE battle with them for you to be even considered part of the conflict. SF is the ones failing to do their part, your entire alliance got 128 kills TOTAL last month, let alone against the amarr, or coiurm, I personally had 190 kills last month alone, and majority of that is against the amarr, Let alone the 817 kills IFW got last month against the amarr. Remind me again who is failing to do their part? Or do you think that 3 SF pilots is all it takes to win the war? Revan your making sf look even more terribad by the post, please continue.
Katara Yada	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:46:00 - [372] Revan, u've popped moar ships the past days than Jade haz this week with her campaign. Why do you defend her? You play with the cool guyz, drop the rest
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:56:00 - [373] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 06:57:56 Originally by: jasper beamsalot WHO?!?!? WHERE!?!?!!? So your talking out your exhaust pipe my friend. First of all I'm not your friend, second of all, that you must discuss with data and ship logs. As far as it stands I don't think they would get anything stated on their database from within stations. So perhaps its your view a bit blurred. Originally by: jasper beamsalot As for believing we think SF has some obligation to IFW, nope donÆt know where you got that idea From you moaning here for example. Originally by: jasper beamsalot (a war that is never ending i might add). Least we can say we fought in it, how about jade? True the war is never ending. So causes you to not judge you and judge her? Originally by: jasper beamsalot Remind me again who is failing to do their part? Sure, you are. Originally by: jasper beamsalot Or do you think that 3 SF pilots is all it takes to win the war? No, as you apparently with your whole militia isnt managing it any better ... Originally by: jasper beamsalot Revan... You seem to be getting tense. Want me to stop so you can take a breath before having a nervous breakdown? Originally by: Katara Yada Revan, u've popped moar ships the past days than Jade haz this week with her campaign. Why do you defend her? You play with the cool guyz, drop the rest Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:12:00 - [374] Originally by: jasper beamsalot WHO?!?!? WHERE!?!?!!? So your talking out your exhaust pipe my friend. First of all I'm not your friend, second of all, that you must discuss with data and ship logs. As far as it stands I don't think they would get anything stated on their database from within stations. So perhaps its your view a bit blurred. Originally by: jasper beamsalot As for believing we think SF has some obligation to IFW, nope donÆt know where you got that idea From you moaning here for example. Originally by: jasper beamsalot (a war that is never ending i might add). Least we can say we fought in it, how about jade? True the war is never ending. So causes you to not judge you and judge her? Originally by: jasper beamsalot Remind me again who is failing to do their part? Sure, you are. Originally by: jasper beamsalot Or do you think that 3 SF pilots is all it takes to win the war? No, as you apparently with your whole militia isnt managing it any better ... Originally by: jasper beamsalot Revan... You seem to be getting tense. Want me to stop so you can take a breath before having a nervous breakdown? Originally by: Katara Yada Revan, u've popped moar ships the past days than Jade haz this week with her campaign. Why do you defend her? You play with the cool guyz, drop the rest Originally by: nasty1 ross = captain, he is not going to go against his friends Absolutely true. Captain Vaguy and Ross are vety close friends and it's worth to remind all about a similar incident that happened not so long ago and the position they took on this regard. Let's not be mistaken. Knowing him as I know, I'm completely sure that he would find inadmissible and reprehend the conduct of the Mimnmatar Militia against The Star Fraction. Captain is a man of principles. I'm sure that ROSS will have something to say in this regard. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:14:00 - [375] Originally by: Revan Neferis something incomprehencible Please try again in comprehensible English please.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:19:00 - [376] Originally by: jasper beamsalot incomprehencible The irony... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
jasper beamsalot Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:20:00 - [377] Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/09/2010 07:25:35 Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/09/2010 07:21:18 Originally by: Revan Neferis PLEASE CAPTAIN COME SAVE US WE ARE BEING PICKED ON IN THE FORUMS AND WE CANT HACK IT WHY IS EVERYONE PICKING ON US?!?!?! I lolled Yes confirming that ROSS and IFW have not fought side by side for 1.5+ years now and that we will fall into a internal war between the too top militia corperations becuase SF is more important to the cuase and are closer friends with captain than IFW ever was or will be. also confirming that 'Federal Investigations Agency ' where known to ROSS or IFW and where a big player in the militia
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:25:00 - [378] Originally by: jasper beamsalot I lolled You what? Originally by: jasper beamsalot Yes confirming that ROSS and IFW have not fought side by side for 1.5+ years now and that we will fall into a internal war bettween the too top militia corperations becuase SF is more important to the cuase and are closer friends with captain than IFW ever was or will be. Try again in comprehensible language please. I highlighted for you to make it easier as you seem to be having the famous nervous break down at the moment. Calm kid, it's just IGS... You can handle. Come on, try again, less shaky this time. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Colt Landers	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:32:00 - [379] Wow, this thread is still clogging up my chat channels. Who cares about all this stuff? It's pixels, it's fun. It's a neverending war between the Amarr and Minmatar and IFW has been fighting in this war for over 2 years. We didn't just all of a sudden decide to join militia a couple months ago. We have been in the trenches through the low times and high times of combat. We've fought wars against several pirate corps based in Amamake, merc corps, and amarr. We are still here fighting. In 2 months, this thread will be forgotten, and we will still be in the militia fighting side by side with the other TLF corps as we have been. If Revan wants to dec us, go ahead. Been there, done that. Hopefully Jade and Kuan's fight goes well and that puts an end to all this chest beating and this thread will stop being talked about. Lastly, I feel sorry for our good friends in ROSS as now they will most likely be put in a difficult place as they have friends in both IFW and SF. I personally don't plan to fire aggressive mods at any SF pilot unless provoked by aggression, and from what I have read I don't believe that SF has any intention of aggression toward IFW in space. So as I see it, this spat will last a month or so. CORIM will leave amarr militia(rumor is they are leaving already), and doesn't have anything to do with SF, IFW, or any other TLF corp. SF will then move back to 0.0, IFW will continue to fight alongside ROSS and other minmatar militia corps against the amarr and things will go back to normal, and this RP, whiny, qq junk will stop cluttering up coms and chat channels. -LP

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:37:00 - [380] Out of character posts removed. Please note any further out of character posts may result in a warning.

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:41:00 - [381] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/09/2010 07:46:13 Originally by: Colt Landers CORIM will leave amarr militia(rumor is they are leaving already) To fight CVA wars at Providence I've heard. Interesting developments. I guess that would put an end at this "cooperation issues" after all hum? We shall see. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Darveses Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:53:00 - [382] What the **** is this? Aren't there enough enemies to shoot that we have to turn on our own? And don't give me that "You're not our own, you're filths!!!1" crap, if you had a problem with us fighting your enemies you'd have said so a year ago during Castrato. Hint: Next time you try to divide your enemies, do it more subtly. They might not smell the foul Amarrian stench if you don't let your windows that wide open and disclaim your intentions in a huge banner hanging above your doorstep.
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 08:16:00 - [383] What triggered all this off anyway?
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.09.03 09:30:00 - [384] Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 03/09/2010 09:35:40 Quote: ROSS Statement 3 September 2010 We at ROSS are saddened so see two close friends at odds over events, interpretation of events and words spoken. It is easy to destroy the best of friendships (let alone acquaintances) with a word. It is a tougher challenge to create trust, understanding and cooperation. These things donÆt require that you like someone or agree with what they say nor their tactics. It wasnÆt but last October 2009, when a similar situation began to develop among the Amarrian corporations. It culminated in CVA, S3verence and even Mercenary forces who were hired to fight both Minmatar Forces and Allies (The Star Fraction) as well as opposing Amarrian corporations. The outcome utterly destroyed the Amarr militia and itÆs effectiveness against our onslaught beginning with the æGreat Kamela Turkey ShootÆ and a number of failed assaults on Minmatar starbases in Auga and Arzad. Major Amarrian corporations and Fleet Command talent were resigning their posts left, right and centre. The months following this led to a Great Depression in our once target rich environment as the Minmatar dominated nearly every faction war system as well as the destruction of CVA and S3verence (Amarrian Allies) and dominance of parts of Providence which paved the way for an UshraÆKhan take over. Knowing what this division did to our enemy, we must be ever more vigilant in preventing such an occurrence among us. Currently, our effectiveness has been diminished due to the season which has family demands on many of our militia members and their corporations. The Amarr have seen a massive increase (perhaps 3 fold) in their numbers due to the decline of CVA and S3verence in 0.0. We are now dealing with an enemy that does not always wish for a battle but whoÆs stated goal is to occupy space and keep us docked (Dunn Idaho [CORIM] statement July 2010), but at the same time has the capability to take on our fleets with exceptional talent when we do muster to engage. As members of the Minmatar Republic Militia we must take care to do everything possible to unite our corporations, maintain readiness, put together solid and well equipped fleets and maintain amicable relations with our friends in The Star Fraction who operate in the area. Every individual, corporation (in or out of militia) and ally who puts ships on the field is relevant to our cause and deserving of our assistance and cooperation. It is our hope that all of our friends can set aside resentments, harsh words, challenges and threats (especially public) and take action on field to reaffirm a solid commitment to defeating the Amarrian menace. We have a formidable enemy who is waiting to see us divide and break up so they can kill us on every plex, gate and station. Our enemies are reading thread and rubbing their hands with contentment and readiness to feed on our rotting corpses. We at ROSS affirm our friendship and solid commitment to both our friends and allies towards the goal of establishing dominance over the Amarr in our systems. We are a battle hardened corporation and where the enemy occupies space is where we will strike using all terrifying means necessary. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
CF ProctoR Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.03 10:55:00 - [385] Jade you should rename this thread.... and call it Operation Minmatar control. 1) u got no control of us. 2) U havent shown any balls in this "Campaign" 3) You are alone with revan wich is useless aswell. CF ProctoR Corim
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.03 12:12:00 - [386] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2010 05:31:49 Originally by: jasper beamsalot Respect is Earned, that is the entire point, SF has done nothing to earn our respect in the last few months. And IFW have never earned ours. It has been very evident that you are no ROSS within the Matari Militia this summer and you cannot fill their boots and the overall TLF campaign against CORE IMPULSE has been a fiasco as a result. You have provided no collaborative fleet assets or reliable support for us and so can hardly complain in return. But as I said. Keep out of our way and we will have no problems. Fight the Amarrians and keep your mumbling minions off the forums and local chat channels and things will go smoothly. It is sad that the TLF has been tainted by a terribly talentness nobody corp like IFW this summer but these things happen. But do not pretend for a moment that the failure against the 24th Crusade has been all the fault of Star Fraction. Take some responsibly yourselves. Hiding in Auga station in the late nights while half a dozen Amarrians taunt you from the gates will not win this war. Why, I do believe you're attacking the single Minmatar Corporation which has consistently fought on regardless, well done on alienating the majority of the faction you claim to be helping in doing so. We'd thank you for the damage you're doing to them, but our pilots are getting bored of a lack of targets (since the mighty SF rarely actually do anything but demoralize our already broken enemy). However, we do thank you for your entertainment. If there's one thing you've done it's guarantee we have an alliance all our members can consider an enemy to unite against (though ridicule daily for personal pleasure at your expense). I've also heard ridiculous claims that we are leaving the Amarr Militia. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have instead decided to take our fight closer to SFs homeland, to purge you at your putrid roots. I do expect more mails delivered as your alliance disintegrates further. Enjoy your delusion whilst there are still the deluded to follow you Jade. Ospie CEO of Core Impulse Legatus Commodore of The Amarr Empire
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.03 13:53:00 - [387] Originally by: Ospie We'd thank you for the damage you're doing to them, but our pilots are getting bored of a lack of targets (since the mighty SF rarely actually do anything but demoralize our already broken enemy). Hey Ospie, Sorry to burst your bubble here but Jade has not demoralized us. Angered, perhaps... make us laugh and giggle like little schoolgirls? I can't speak for anyone on an official level but the caliber of the Jaded One's delusional rants are 100% comedy for myself any many others. Oh, and give us some credit sweetheart, we are not broken in any way, and you damn well know it. Originally by: CF ProctoR Jade you should rename this thread.... and call it Operation Minmatar control. 1) u got no control of us. 2) U havent shown any balls in this "Campaign" 3) You are alone with revan wich is useless aswell. CF ProctoR Corim Hey Proctor, Sorry my friend by I have to boycott this renaming of a senseless and pointless campaign. The Jaded one has no control whatsoever over any Minmatar Militia corp (although I would like to venture that deep inside she deeply wishes she could) nor have either the Big J nor the Evil R shown any kind of control over their own emotions. Perhaps Operation Anger Management or Operation Propaganda Overdrive? In any case, thank you to both CORIM pilots for their kind words. I shall be sure to repay you on the battlefield by attaching small heart-shaped ornaments to the missiles that will blast apart your armor and crush your hull. Fair play, Amarrian scum... fair play... and I shall see you both on the battlefield soon enough (unlike a certain Executor that shall remain un-named). The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 14:00:00 - [388] Originally by: Amun Khonsu Quote: ROSS Statement 3 September 2010 We at ROSS are saddened so see two close friends at odds over events, interpretation of events and words spoken. It is easy to destroy the best of friendships (let alone acquaintances) with a word. It is a tougher challenge to create trust, understanding and cooperation. These things donÆt require that you like someone or agree with what they say nor their tactics. It wasnÆt but last October 2009, when a similar situation began to develop among the Amarrian corporations. It culminated in CVA, S3verence and even Mercenary forces who were hired to fight both Minmatar Forces and Allies (The Star Fraction) as well as opposing Amarrian corporations. The outcome utterly destroyed the Amarr militia and itÆs effectiveness against our onslaught beginning with the æGreat Kamela Turkey ShootÆ and a number of failed assaults on Minmatar starbases in Auga and Arzad. Major Amarrian corporations and Fleet Command talent were resigning their posts left, right and centre. The months following this led to a Great Depression in our once target rich environment as the Minmatar dominated nearly every faction war system as well as the destruction of CVA and S3verence (Amarrian Allies) and dominance of parts of Providence which paved the way for an UshraÆKhan take over. Knowing what this division did to our enemy, we must be ever more vigilant in preventing such an occurrence among us. Currently, our effectiveness has been diminished due to the season which has family demands on many of our militia members and their corporations. The Amarr have seen a massive increase (perhaps 3 fold) in their numbers due to the decline of CVA and S3verence in 0.0. We are now dealing with an enemy that does not always wish for a battle but whoÆs stated goal is to occupy space and keep us docked (Dunn Idaho [CORIM] statement July 2010), but at the same time has the capability to take on our fleets with exceptional talent when we do muster to engage. As members of the Minmatar Republic Militia we must take care to do everything possible to unite our corporations, maintain readiness, put together solid and well equipped fleets and maintain amicable relations with our friends in The Star Fraction who operate in the area. Every individual, corporation (in or out of militia) and ally who puts ships on the field is relevant to our cause and deserving of our assistance and cooperation. It is our hope that all of our friends can set aside resentments, harsh words, challenges and threats (especially public) and take action on field to reaffirm a solid commitment to defeating the Amarrian menace. We have a formidable enemy who is waiting to see us divide and break up so they can kill us on every plex, gate and station. Our enemies are reading thread and rubbing their hands with contentment and readiness to feed on our rotting corpses. We at ROSS affirm our friendship and solid commitment to both our friends and allies towards the goal of establishing dominance over the Amarr in our systems. We are a battle hardened corporation and where the enemy occupies space is where we will strike using all terrifying means necessary. All those who oppose the Amarr need to read this carefully, understand it and from this point on act accordingly. We certainly shall be. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.03 14:25:00 - [389] Edited by: Ospie on 03/09/2010 14:29:35 Originally by: Sneaky Noob Perhaps Operation Anger Management or Operation Propaganda Overdrive? Yes, this (both at once, so Jade has something to jump between when insufficient ridicule is being fired her way). Perhaps for the sake of general entertainment & insult a joint minny/amarr fleet should be put together to remove the SF vulgarity sitting in kamela :D
Aodha Khan Minmatar Matari Stormriders	Posted - 2010.09.03 14:38:00 - [390] Originally by: The Cosmopolite All those who oppose the Amarr need to read this carefully, understand it and from this point on act accordingly. We certainly shall be. The Cosmopolite Up till now this has certainly not been the case so I look forward to seeing less viral politics from your CEO and more combined front line action against our mutual enemies. ----------------------- Stormriders Recruitment -----------------------
Bashiri No.Mercy	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:22:00 - [391] I like how minmatar corps are saying Jade never dictate there action. When i was part of fw any minmatar corp that was doing pirate like action was warn then war dec by minmatar corps.(HN/DS/MY) Kamela turkey shoot instead was nice. Auga was the only vicotry minmatar ever had in a large scale fighting.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:50:00 - [392] This is beyond ridiculous. The Amarr don't have to fight us anymore, as we're fighting amongst ourselves. And now SF is threatening to wardec a Minnie Militia corp? Thing is, if SF do that, whatever is left of ehonour will force the rest of militia to close ranks and fight with the corp that SF decs. Personally, I think it's sad that SF's lack of major success this time round has led to accusations that they aren't helping and counter accusations that SF has been left out to dry because Jade's feelings have been hurt. I think many of us in the Militia have a historical soft spot for SF, but well, we have one for IFW as well. Please don't make us choose, but if you do, well, so be it, then we'll go down that road. Perhaps. The funny thing about all this hurf durf is that every alliance/corp/militia anywhere in new eden always goes through a period of self recriminations when things don't go well. It's a pity because that's actually the time one should be using to consider what one could do differently. As for Amarr superiority, it too will pass once the pendulum swings the other way. Nothing in eve is written in stone, as DK recently found out (like Bob and Goons and countless others before them), and things can change. On a tactical level, I personally see IFW arguing that suiciding fleets into the more numerous Amarr gangs has led us nowhere. I think they're right. Brains >> guns.
Amymuffmuff Amarr CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:50:00 - [393] Edited by: Amymuffmuff on 03/09/2010 15:55:01 Edited by: Amymuffmuff on 03/09/2010 15:51:01 We just want to kill amarrs. Theres nothing we want to do more than kill the enemy. So what if theres another group of people wanting to help us do just that? Its not like there stopping us from doing that! We as a militia do not have any level of order as a group. Yes we are good in our own seperate corps but to truly beat the Amarr we need to be able to work together. Having yet more Wars going on for us will not help us. We aren't exactly running rings around the Amarr enough to warrant having yet enough force to deal with. We just need to put all differences aside because at the end of the day thats not the main aim. Infighting will not help us win this war. Can't we just end this now before it gets any worse. There is no need for all this. Let's just let out all our anger in the slaughter of the enemy in there thousands! That's how i see it anyway. If you all think different then fairplay to you. Q just want to focus on our true targets, which, at the end of the day are the AMARR! Amymuffmuff Queen of Nothing!
Maracaibo Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:13:00 - [394] Edited by: Maracaibo on 03/09/2010 16:13:34
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:17:00 - [395] Originally by: Bomberlocks Edited by: Bomberlocks on 03/09/2010 16:01:45 Edit: Posted a windbag post myself, and really, time lost in IGS hurf durf is time lost forever. Was just about to coment on your post, so i will just hang it out so all can see Originally by: Jade Constantine Quote: ... and even worse are you seriously considering decing a militia Corporation No. SF will not be the ones throwing the first stone. We will concentrate on fighting the Amarr with whatever tool that are at our disposal. Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:23:00 - [396] Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Bomberlocks Edited by: Bomberlocks on 03/09/2010 16:01:45 Edit: Posted a windbag post myself, and really, time lost in IGS hurf durf is time lost forever. Was just about to coment on your post, so i will just hang it out so all can see Originally by: Jade Constantine Quote: ... and even worse are you seriously considering decing a militia Corporation No. SF will not be the ones throwing the first stone. We will concentrate on fighting the Amarr with whatever tool that are at our disposal. Your only tool is Jade.
lookatzebirdie	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:42:00 - [397] Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Bomberlocks Edited by: Bomberlocks on 03/09/2010 16:01:45 Edit: Posted a windbag post myself, and really, time lost in IGS hurf durf is time lost forever. Was just about to coment on your post, so i will just hang it out so all can see Originally by: Jade Constantine Quote: ... and even worse are you seriously considering decing a militia Corporation No. SF will not be the ones throwing the first stone. We will concentrate on fighting the Amarr with whatever tool that are at our disposal. how very classy of you to just post it anyway when it's clear the guy thought better of it and decided to to tone it down, we expect that from jade but we are trying v hard to to see the rest of SF as the good guys we thought they were, why are you trying to damage that with low blows like this _____________________________________________ fsuicgks (this is not gibberish, it is deeply profound
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:07:00 - [398] I agree. It was an error in judgement. However, the divisions need to be totally healed here and I ask Minmatar militia interested in avoiding divisions and getting back to fighting the enemy to please stop characterising this as a problem of the Star Fraction's leader alone. Jade Constantine is the freely-acknowledged leader of our alliance. It serves no purpose to single her out. We will not stand for it. Let us all cease the divisions. Let us cease the sniping. Let us all cease looking for internal excuses for this, that or the other setback. All of us. A period of calm reflection is required here. I say clearly, if we in the Star Fraction do anything to continue these foolish divisions then we will be helping the Amarr Empire and its crusaders. As will anyone else who continues these divisions. What is clear is that each military unit or organisation fighting the Amarr has total independence and sovereignty of action. Let all who wish to fight do so as they see fit. There are many ways to fight the foe, and many places the foe must be opposed. We should all concentrate on fighting as we individually know how to fight. Ignore the mockery of the enemy. Ignore their propaganda. The Amarr always, always seek to divide their enemies. They have too many enemies and they know it. Do not let them do it, even inadvertently. If the Star Fraction has made errors we will rectify them and continue the struggle. That is all we can ask of anyone else. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:22:00 - [399] So... War or no war... I'll think about it. You all should know that reasoning is very anti-climax. * Winks at Amy, Jade and Amun * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:29:00 - [400] 1) It's ironic that Jade and company are adamantly denying they are planning to wardec any (Minmatar) militia corporations in a feint of "innocence" and yet have no problem with Jade's "lover" doing the wardeccing instead. Can't fight your own battles much? 2) Operation "Castrato", like most of SF's "campaigns", was a typical farce (I still remember with bitter hilarity that "campaign" where whatshisface decided to build some refineries and such on some Amarrian throne world and made an enormous communique complete with images of him planning out and erecting this industrial monument, as if it were some amazing victory). You showed up in Providence after Ushra'Khan and AAA had already obliterated any and all organized resistance and essentially accomplished nothing. 3) Having been in CORIM for a month enduring "Operation Impulse Control" I must say I have been left quite underwhelmed by the Fraction's capabilities. I suspected as much months ago when I was invited to join the Fraction; I turned you down because for all intents and purposes the Fraction seems to have run out of steam, the majority of their revolutionary efforts going to communications posts. Anyway, during that month in CORIM I saw a total of one Star Fraction gang operating in the warzone; and they had literally no impact on my or any other CORIM operations whatsoever. I had to hunt them down (a mistake it turns out as I got lolrolled) to see any action. From that point onwards the only time I saw the Fraction was if a lone Dramiel or Taranis pilot managed to muster up the courage to leave Kamela and fly around Kourmonen or even -- occasionally -- go as far as Auga. However this was essentially the limit to their "operation" as they refused to engage single, similarly-armed "targets". Other than that, I've seen a couple of lone Star Fraction in small and/or cloaky vessels plying through Kourmonen. The first actual SF presence that could theoretically be some sort of threat occured yesterday when SF deployed their nefarious t1 cruiser fleet. They shadowed the Amarr fleet for some time however refused to engage the small number of CORIM members in said fleet. Jade eventually decided to engage a Jaguar-class Assault Ship in her Pilgrim and was subsequently annihilated and her broken corpse auctioned off (being bought almost the instant it was put up on contract). Claims that Star Fraction is "camping enemy stations" or even interdicting movements is a laughable statement. I wish the Fraction had put up more of a fight during my tenure in CORIM. All told, pretty much every party even remotely involved in the conflict were unimaginably more effective at destroying and interrupting CORIM assets and operations than the Fraction. Star Fraction's involvement in the militia conflict has been nothing but compounding humiliation. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:47:00 - [401] Originally by: Amun Khonsu Currently, our effectiveness has been diminished due to the season which has family demands on many of our militia members and their corporations. The Amarr have seen a massive increase (perhaps 3 fold) in their numbers due to the decline of CVA and S3verence in 0.0. [...] As members of the Minmatar Republic Militia we must take care to do everything possible to unite our corporations, maintain readiness, put together solid and well equipped fleets and maintain amicable relations with our friends in The Star Fraction who operate in the area. Every individual, corporation (in or out of militia) and ally who puts ships on the field is relevant to our cause and deserving of our assistance and cooperation. [...] We at ROSS affirm our friendship and solid commitment to both our friends and allies towards the goal of establishing dominance over the Amarr in our systems. Hello Amun, I would like to point out that I am not disagreeing with you in any way. The past months have seen some changes within the composition of the corporations involved in the Minmatar/Amarr conflict, that I cannot deny. However, when people generalize (again, I am not directing this comment at you) and say that since one corp is suffering from the absence of its capsuleers ALL or Minmatar Militia is in a downward spiral, this is borderline delusional and is highly irritating to the active pilots that risk their ships, their crews and their lives day in and day out fighting the Amarr. I took the liberty of emphasizing a few key sentences from your post. I feel that they are the underlying strength of the relationship between the leading Militia corps. Time and time again the Minmatar have proven that while we can easily muster great numbers, in the end it is our proven ability to combine numbers, leadership (no matter how ersatz it may seem) and above all QUALITY into hard-hitting combat fleets that have time and again, defeated Amarr, Caldari, Mercenary, CVA, and Pirate fleets. Our elßn is perhaps our most noteworthy trait, but it merely compliments our overall power and skill. I applaud your efforts Amun, for having the temperament in sending out what I can only describe as a constructive and well-intentioned attempt to rebuild the the relationship that once existed between the bickering parties. However, as it has been said over and over again by many individuals, it is actions as opposed to words that will prove your worth and your place. You sir, have nothing to prove. Nor do we. Confusion to your enemies. Welcome to the Revolution. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Frosteele	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:51:00 - [402] whered you get those clothes? the toilet store? OPERATION BROWN LUSTRUM IS IN EFFECT.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid	Posted - 2010.09.03 18:25:00 - [403] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Let us all cease the divisions. Let us cease the sniping. Let us all cease looking for internal excuses for this, that or the other setback. All of us. Precisely this. To put it another way, less infighting in public channels and more shooting the enemy plz.
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:14:00 - [404] Originally by: Zverofaust 1) It's ironic that Jade and company are adamantly denying they are planning to wardec any (Minmatar) militia corporations in a feint of "innocence" and yet have no problem with Jade's "lover" doing the wardeccing instead. Can't fight your own battles much? 2) Operation "Castrato", like most of SF's "campaigns", was a typical farce (I still remember with bitter hilarity that "campaign" where whatshisface decided to build some refineries and such on some Amarrian throne world and made an enormous communique complete with images of him planning out and erecting this industrial monument, as if it were some amazing victory). You showed up in Providence after Ushra'Khan and AAA had already obliterated any and all organized resistance and essentially accomplished nothing. 3) Having been in CORIM for a month enduring "Operation Impulse Control" I must say I have been left quite underwhelmed by the Fraction's capabilities. I suspected as much months ago when I was invited to join the Fraction; I turned you down because for all intents and purposes the Fraction seems to have run out of steam, the majority of their revolutionary efforts going to communications posts. Anyway, during that month in CORIM I saw a total of one Star Fraction gang operating in the warzone; and they had literally no impact on my or any other CORIM operations whatsoever. I had to hunt them down (a mistake it turns out as I got lolrolled) to see any action. From that point onwards the only time I saw the Fraction was if a lone Dramiel or Taranis pilot managed to muster up the courage to leave Kamela and fly around Kourmonen or even -- occasionally -- go as far as Auga. However this was essentially the limit to their "operation" as they refused to engage single, similarly-armed "targets". Other than that, I've seen a couple of lone Star Fraction in small and/or cloaky vessels plying through Kourmonen. The first actual SF presence that could theoretically be some sort of threat occured yesterday when SF deployed their nefarious t1 cruiser fleet. They shadowed the Amarr fleet for some time however refused to engage the small number of CORIM members in said fleet. Jade eventually decided to engage a Jaguar-class Assault Ship in her Pilgrim and was subsequently annihilated and her broken corpse auctioned off (being bought almost the instant it was put up on contract). Claims that Star Fraction is "camping enemy stations" or even interdicting movements is a laughable statement. I wish the Fraction had put up more of a fight during my tenure in CORIM. All told, pretty much every party even remotely involved in the conflict were unimaginably more effective at destroying and interrupting CORIM assets and operations than the Fraction. Star Fraction's involvement in the militia conflict has been nothing but compounding humiliation. Exactly.. Jade You're making Minmatar militia look pretty bad wen u wardec our war targets then u get smashed by them and announce that ur doing us a favor.
Sneaky Noob Cartamundi	Posted - 2010.09.04 01:07:00 - [405] Originally by: Revan Neferis So... War or no war... I'll think about it. You all should know that reasoning is very anti-climax. * Winks at Amy, Jade and Amun * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik hey sweetie, made up your mind yet? don't keep me waiting. :) The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2010.09.04 10:35:00 - [406] In before Cosmo save.... **** he's started already
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.04 13:26:00 - [407] Originally by: Sneaky Noob hey sweetie, made up your mind yet? don't keep me waiting. :) You are who? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Sneaky Noob Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.04 14:34:00 - [408] Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 04/09/2010 14:36:27 who am I you ask... well sweetheart, that's pretty simple: I... I AM NOOB!! and this... THIS... IS... AUGA!! muahahahahaha recheck my ticker my dear... i'm back and ready to rumble. lets get to it Welcome Back to the Revolution!! Batteries not Included The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.04 15:32:00 - [409] Originally by: Sneaky Noob who am I you ask... well sweetheart, that's pretty simple: I... I AM NOOB!! and this... THIS... IS... AUGA!! muahahahahaha o...k... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:26:00 - [410] Seems like the Star Fraction can't get along with anyone... even their so-called "allies" have finally seen the truth of Jade and her PR machine and want nothing to do with it. Operation "Impulse Control" has been yet another disaster in the long line of publicity stunt disasters orchestrated by the fractionist leader. A note for the Minmatar Militia... the Star Fraction are the allies of no one but themselves. Remember those backroom deals with territorialist alliances? Those cozy slumber parties with pirates? Those blustery forum comments released publically where they belittled you? It seems now you're waking to the reality that you've been used by the Star Fraction. Your military might was simply a tool for them to claim victory in another "campaign". Now in this campaign you see the true colors of the anarchists as they lash out in anger at your alleged "lack of support" for their "Operation Impulse". While they won't come out and say it knowing the relationship Jade has with Revan you should consider whatever Revan says as coming straight from Jade... after all they share a bed and I'm sure Jade has raged in private about the failures of "Operation Impulse". Revan is merely a mouthpiece for Jade's thoughts on the situation. Finally you Minmatar are seeing that. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:27:00 - [411] For the record, and for what it is worth, I hereby publicly affirm the honour and character of one of my oldest friends, Kuan Yida. That is all that I wish to have heard by those gathered here. Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:33:00 - [412] Edited by: Invelious on 05/09/2010 02:33:34 For the record I want to thank Star Fraction and Revan for hiring 3 corps to war dec us in conjunction with the SF war dec that we recieved. Thank you. Also, its going to be amazing when SF ****es off the minmatar to the point where they start shooting them just like the pirates that get shot at by both militia's. Any interlopers in the faction warfare should all be shot from all sides. Either join the militia, or get out.
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.05 13:37:00 - [413] Originally by: Archbishop Revan is merely a mouthpiece for Jade's thoughts on the situation. Finally you Minmatar are seeing that. Archbishop Oh I can assure you. Revan speaks and thinks for herself. I suggest you attend one of her events to get to know her before saying such things ;-) A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.05 13:42:00 - [414] Originally by: Revan Neferis So... War or no war... I'll think about it. You all should know that reasoning is very anti-climax. * Winks at Amy, Jade and Amun * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik No war my dear. As much as I know you enjoy to see your rivals squirm... I fear it will only make matters worse. We must keep in mind the history between the two parties. That history was once bright and I feel it can be again. A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.05 13:51:00 - [415] Originally by: Icarus3 No war my dear. You are far too charming to me to say no to you... no war then. For now Fly safe my dear friend. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.05 17:18:00 - [416] Originally by: Tetseptus For the record, and for what it is worth, I hereby publicly affirm the honour and character of one of my oldest friends, Kuan Yida. That is all that I wish to have heard by those gathered here. War like politics and all schisms of the soul can make unlikely allies and stranger combinations. As a free-captain and anarchist I would be less than honest if I did not acknowledge that subjective experience will differ wildly on the divergent histories we each live through. As such I acknowledge my friend and comrade Tetseptus and the honesty of his character and purety of his words. And yes. They do carry weight with me. Join the Revolution!
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.05 21:47:00 - [417] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tetseptus For the record, and for what it is worth, I hereby publicly affirm the honour and character of one of my oldest friends, Kuan Yida. That is all that I wish to have heard by those gathered here. War like politics and all schisms of the soul can make unlikely allies and stranger combinations. As a free-captain and anarchist I would be less than honest if I did not acknowledge that subjective experience will differ wildly on the divergent histories we each live through. As such I acknowledge my friend and comrade Tetseptus and the honesty of his character and purety of his words. And yes. They do carry weight with me. Jade Constantwhine's DAMAGE CONTROL barely scratches PUBLIC DISPLAY OF INTERNAL FRICTION, hitting for 0.1 damage. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.06 00:27:00 - [418] Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 06/09/2010 00:35:30 Looks like minmatar millitia and IFW won this battle. Revan and jade why did u get so upset anyway? Were not your puppets we are free to think and do what we want that's why we are millitia. Most of us are happy to die many times over rather then kneel before some queen bee.
Sneaky Noob Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.06 02:49:00 - [419] Originally by: Icarus3 Originally by: Revan Neferis So... War or no war... I'll think about it. You all should know that reasoning is very anti-climax. * Winks at Amy, Jade and Amun * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik No war my dear. As much as I know you enjoy to see your rivals squirm... I fear it will only make matters worse. We must keep in mind the history between the two parties. That history was once bright and I feel it can be again. You know, I was going to let this whole thing drop and just get on doing what I do best (kill)... but someone had to open their mouth and say something dumb. For the record: IFW has never backed down from any fight, ever. I personally did many things to myself thinking about the wardec but "squirming" was not one of them. Seriously, shut up and let your actions speak for themselves. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.06 17:39:00 - [420] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 06/09/2010 17:39:22 Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Most of us are happy to die many times over I have no problem with that at all. To the contrary, I hope you keep on doing it. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.06 19:57:00 - [421] Edited by: Invelious on 06/09/2010 19:57:36 Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 06/09/2010 17:39:22 Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Most of us are happy to die many times over I have no problem with editing peoples posts for my needs. To the contrary, I hope you keep on doing it. While I'm video editing Silence iKillyouu's remark here, I'm going to rub this calm all over my chest. proceeds to rub calm on chest Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Nano J	Posted - 2010.09.07 07:16:00 - [422] I hear SF recruited the Gallente into another fail-op. Unfortunate that they didn't realize they were cannon fodder until after the fact. Why don't you just do yourselves a favor and just leave?
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.07 16:00:00 - [423] Edited by: Muad ''dib on 07/09/2010 16:04:34 i see SF is crumbling with little to no help from their forum jockey leadership. good stuff. oh and CORIM says that you suck at everything, just disband already before we take your remining systems (?) too just for the insult.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.07 16:43:00 - [424] <Communique Begins> A successful operation to establish a starbase in Huola system was mounted last night with the integral aid of friendly Gallente and Minmatar militia corporations. The Star Fraction thanks the following corporations for their invaluable assistance: Genstar Inc NME1 Percussive Diplomacy Quantum Cats Syndicate Shadows Of The Federation The 8th Order As of this communique the starbase is fully-functional and secure thanks to the efforts of allied anti-crusader forces. The struggle continues. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction <Communique Ends> The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.07 16:57:00 - [425] Originally by: The Cosmopolite <Communique Begins> A successful operation to establish a starbase in Huola system was mounted last night with the integral aid of friendly Gallente and Minmatar militia corporations. The Star Fraction thanks the following corporations for their invaluable assistance: CTRL-Q Genstar Inc NME1 Percussive Diplomacy Quantum Cats Syndicate Shadows Of The Federation The 8th Order As of this communique the starbase is fully-functional and secure thanks to the efforts of allied anti-crusader forces. The struggle continues. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction <Communique Ends> I see... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.07 17:45:00 - [426] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/09/2010 17:55:25 Originally by: The Cosmopolite <Communique Begins> A successful operation to establish a starbase in Huola system was mounted last night with the integral aid of friendly Gallente and Minmatar militia corporations. The Star Fraction thanks the following corporations for their invaluable assistance: Archaeus of Blood CTRL-Q Genstar Inc NME1 Percussive Diplomacy Quantum Cats Syndicate Royal Order of Security Specialists Shadows Of The Federation The 8th Order As of this communique the starbase is fully-functional and secure thanks to the efforts of allied anti-crusader forces. The struggle continues. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction <Communique Ends> My personal thanks to all these organizations that stood with us against a superior number of 24th Crusaders with Carrier Support and home ground station advantage, and also to the Flowing Penguins who came and joined our heroic efforts to shield repair the tower above the critical 50% mark this morning to allow us to anchor additional defenses. We owe a debt of gratitude to everyone who stood with us that we hope to repay in the blood and bones of regressive Amarrian Nationalism in the weeks and months to come. And on a personal note, embraces her lover warmly with a deep kiss and delicious caress It was very good to fly alongside with our pair of Abaddons soaking the work the imperialists could do and living to tell the tale! Join the Revolution!
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:29:00 - [427] Another "resistance-through-suicide" operation gone horribly awry spun into a heroic tale of sacrifice and eternal vigilance... For a more accurate description of the Battle of Huola: The "operation" began late last night when CORIM's Predator Elite gathered a small number of Amarr Militia forces to confront a rare Star Fraction battleship gang which had appeared in the dead of night to enact "Operation Impulse Control" when the majority of its targets were asleep or unavailable. The Star Fraction's efforts were in vain; despite double carrier support they failed to achieve any material success. Shortly afterwards reports came of a SF Fenrir erecting a Control Tower and POS guns at a nearby moon. Decision was made to go shoot it. It was incredibly boring; our small numbers meant killing said POS took ages. After an hour or so SF made their grand appearance; suiciding themselves repeatedly into our forces in their t1 cruisers for again no material success or benefit but at the cost of several ships and two pods, including Ms. Constantine's. At this time Star Fraction puppet RaveNight contacted elements of the Minmatar militia, asking them to suicide themselves to destroy Predator Elite's Bhaalgorn-class Battleship. Instead, these elements (primarily IFW) came to watch and join in the ridicule of Star Fraction's uselessness. During this time a member of the Fraction offered to sell information concerning the POS shield password to our forces -- however his requested payment was deemed too high for the benefit. Abandoned by their Minmatar "brothers", the Fraction eventually called in the support of a large Gallente force which arrived several hours after hostilities initially began. A fight on the station, with both sides utilizing capital support, ended with a Gallente withdrawl and a slight victory for Amarr forces. At this point, after being active for several hours in the dead of night (approximately 600hrs Eden Standard Time), the Amarr fleet disbanded. Despite propaganda to the contrary, there was never any organized operation to bring down the SF POS. It was initially discovered during the battle and engaged in an effort to draw SF away from their hiding place in the station for a decisive battle. Unfortunately SF did not take the bait, save for about 5 vain, suicidal attempts to inflict damage to minor fleet elements (stealth bombers particularly). Overall it was an exciting and eventful night, but no decisive result was achieved by either side; Star Fraction and its Gallente allies failed to inflict heavy casualties on their enemies, while the Amarr likewise failed to draw the Fraction into the decisive battle it had hoped for. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Altaen Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:58:00 - [428] Originally by: Zverofaust Despite propaganda to the contrary, there was never any organized operation to bring down the SF POS. You should take better care of destroying records and silencing witnesses before telling blatant lies on a public forum. It is well documented that a force of 40+ Amarr militia were actively fighting in Huola during SF's operation. Now, if 40 of your number all happened to be in the same solar system aggressing the same enemies at the same time, but it wasn't an organized operation, than forgive me...but I think your audience is quite a bit smarter than you are giving them credit for.
Altaen Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:02:00 - [429] Originally by: The Cosmopolite A successful operation to establish a starbase in Huola system was mounted last night with the integral aid of friendly Gallente and Minmatar militia corporations. Congratulations on the succesful operation! Outnumbered and in unfriendly territory, this is a major victory indeed.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:20:00 - [430] Originally by: Jade Constantine And on a personal note, embraces her lover warmly with a deep kiss and delicious caress It was very good to fly alongside with our pair of Abaddons soaking the work the imperialists could do and living to tell the tale! Delighted beautiful. Anytime. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Darveses Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:28:00 - [431] Dont really care if there "was" or "wasn't, honestly!!" an organized operation to counter the onlining starbase. It is online now, all that matters. Good job everyone, thanks to our allies.
Oathborne Caldari Genstar Inc	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:59:00 - [432] Originally by: Zverofaust Abandoned by their Minmatar "brothers", the Fraction eventually called in the support of a large Gallente force which arrived several hours after hostilities initially began. A fight on the station, with both sides utilizing capital support, ended with a Gallente withdrawl and a slight victory for Amarr forces. As a member of said "Large" Gallente Force. I did notice your 2 carriers in the "skirmish" outside the station. However, I did however, fail to see any Gallente Capital Support entering the field of battle. I assume you are alluding to the 1 carrier which undocked during the "skirmish" and did nothing to stop the loss of several more of our ships. So either our Militia is completely inept at utilizing capital ship support OR the carrier was not there to support us. Nevertheless, I'll agree with you, that you had not organized the destruction of the Station. I've seen the Caldari Militia actually stand their ground more readily than the Amarr Militia, when confronted by a "Large" Gallente Force such as we brought bear against you last evening. I'll go even further to say, that had you not had the support of both an Archon Class and a Thanatos Class Carrier during the "skirmish" on the station perimeter it would have go very, very badly for the 24th Crusade. As our Fleet Commander pointed out after the battle, anytime we can make 20 jumps to "crap in the Amarrians Cornflakes, we'll gladly oblige." Of course if the Mighty 24th Crusade would like to spread some of Gods "enlightenment" down towards the State/Federation front. We'll do our best to put out our finest china for the celebration. Oathborne Federation Militia General Genstar Inc.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.09.07 21:10:00 - [433] We came outnumbered, 20 jumps through lowsec, and on limited intelligence. Last night, the Union killed 10 ships even while fighting against the logistics of 2 of the 24th's carriers on the undock of their own home station with nothing more than a small battleship fleet. The fight outside of the 24th Imperial Crusade station in Huola was a net loss for Union forces, but at the end of the engagement, the 24th had failed to reinforce the starbase, which still stands at full strength today. ~
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.07 21:34:00 - [434] Congrat's on another successful launch of a POS that will achieve nothing in actually hindering the Amarr militia. Just one more station for you guys to hug.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.07 21:57:00 - [435] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/09/2010 22:07:30 Originally by: Altaen Congratulations on the succesful operation! Outnumbered and in unfriendly territory, this is a major victory indeed. Thank you Captain Altaen. And please be aware we are very happy to have the Starbase provide advantage to all allied anti-amarrian forces in Huola system. It operates by SF rules of engagement (NRDS) and will not fire on flagged combatants unless they are also RED. We will supply the forcefield password to any active anti-amarrian forces that wish a staging base against the 24th crusade in the enemy's HQ system. We hope this tower will prove itself as famous as "space and freedom" in Kamela in time and lead to many Amarrian Nationalists cursing its existence as they see their vessels twist and buckle under its Matari broadsides. Join the Revolution!
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.07 23:34:00 - [436] Originally by: Altaen Originally by: Zverofaust Despite propaganda to the contrary, there was never any organized operation to bring down the SF POS. You should take better care of destroying records and silencing witnesses before telling blatant lies on a public forum. It is well documented that a force of 40+ Amarr militia were actively fighting in Huola during SF's operation. Now, if 40 of your number all happened to be in the same solar system aggressing the same enemies at the same time, but it wasn't an organized operation, than forgive me...but I think your audience is quite a bit smarter than you are giving them credit for. Eh? You either misread or are misrepresenting what I said purposely. I quite clearly said the operation was not to prevent the planting of the POS; infact we did not know about it until it was already onlined and fueled and was being armed with defensive modules. The attack on the POS was to draw out SF which had withdrawn from the field as was the purpose of the fleet originally. Quote: As a member of said "Large" Gallente Force. I did notice your 2 carriers in the "skirmish" outside the station. However, I did however, fail to see any Gallente Capital Support entering the field of battle. Perhaps you have blue-standing allies set not to appear on your overview. This might explain why you failed to see the two Fraction and one Minmatar carrier present. Quote: the 1 carrier which undocked during the "skirmish" and did nothing to stop the loss of several more of our ships. It would seem they were most likely busy ensuring Star Fraction's forces survived while ignoring the welfare of your own fleet, which is the Fraction's standard policy when they recruit meatshields for their operations. Quote: Nevertheless, I'll agree with you, that you had not organized the destruction of the Station. I've seen the Caldari Militia actually stand their ground more readily than the Amarr Militia Perhaps if you and the Fraction had not decided to wait until the dead of night during the Amarr militia's most inactive period (a fact whose significance is not lost on me) we would have been able to send you packing a second time. Quote: We came outnumbered, Interestingly, the highest number of "involved parties" I see on any FDU loss is 21; the highest on any Amarr loss is 25. At best, our fleets were essentially even, if slightly more on your side. Quote: It is well documented that a force of 40+ Amarr militia were actively fighting in Huola during SF's operation. Please provide this "documentation". :) ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Galdornae Caldari Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.08 05:24:00 - [437] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349845 Selling one unit of Jade Constantine's frozen corpse.
Braitai Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.08 06:35:00 - [438] Edited by: Braitai on 08/09/2010 06:36:37 Congratulations SF. Now that you have a station in CORIM's home system perhaps you could work on this - http://www.jericho-fraction.net/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=27 This should be the focus of your attention, and it should be the focus of this thread, assuming your intention of fighting CORIM is genuine. Nothing else should be of importance. I'm a pilot who prefers to stay out of politics. I prefer to keep my head down and do my job. But your Insults and accusations about IFW do a disservice both our efforts, and amount to nothing more than empty grandstanding. The proof of our skill and intentions are obvious to anyone involved in this conflict. http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1&view=corp_kills The original point made by my corp mate stands, and I hope having a station doesn't encourage you to hide behind it's defense shield. Undock and fight, preferably in something other than a t1 fit cruiser. The enemy of my enemy is my friend - prove yourself to be a worthy enemy by destroying your opponents, not by building monuments to your inflated ego. Originally by: Oathborne As our Fleet Commander pointed out after the battle, anytime we can make 20 jumps to "crap in the Amarrians Cornflakes, we'll gladly oblige." Of course if the Mighty 24th Crusade would like to spread some of Gods "enlightenment" down towards the State/Federation front. We'll do our best to put out our finest china for the celebration. That's the attitude I like to see, I salute my brothers in the Federation Militia. Without order nothing can exist. Without chaos nothing can evolve.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.08 07:36:00 - [439] Thank you for your input. Noted. regards
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.08 09:18:00 - [440] wowzers in my trousers. SF undocked and did somthing. It was a sneaky install of a POS followed by the usual spaming of the forums of how it was some epic battle to errect such a tower in secret... What next, Jade coming in to post about how he when to and used the bathroom alllll by himself!? somone put up a POS, lets all have a party sigh Your POS will do you no good and its presence does cause of any hassle in the future it will be removed. But since how you guys do very little and the minmattar militia thinks you are all a bunch of usless tarts and likly wont make use of it its just your own fuel you are wasting, hey why not put up a POS in every FW system!!!
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.09.08 11:20:00 - [441] Originally by: Galdornae http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349845 Selling one unit of Jade Constantine's frozen corpse. Trade it for one of Ankhs corpses? (limited edition, I dont think we will see too many enter market anymore...) Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
D melanogaster Minmatar The Fruit Flys	Posted - 2010.09.08 12:18:00 - [442] Posting To say that SF is worthless. I simply cannot live in a universe where they are allowed to exist. Therefore, I am committing suicide. Join me, Star Fraction, in donating to the biomass bank! I'm sure that you will conquer death just as you have always been successful in all your endeavors (by your own metric of course).
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.08 13:55:00 - [443] Originally by: Bluejacket CT We came outnumbered, 20 jumps through lowsec, and on limited intelligence. last night, the Union killed 10 ships even while fighting against the logistics of 2 of the 24th's carriers on the undock of their own home station with nothing more than a small battleship fleet. The fight outside of the 24th Imperial Crusade station in Huola was a net loss for Union forces, but at the end of the engagement, the 24th had failed to reinforce the starbase, which still stands at full strength today. Your assistance was very timely and fully appreciated Bluejacket, I think they 24th Crusade armada had managed to bring the new tower shield (no offensive mods online) to 26% shield status and a hairsbreath away from reinforcement by the time your fleet landed on the field and the Amarrian vessels sped away in utter cowardly retreat to the protection of their station. Must have been extremely frustrating for them to have come so close but achieved so little there. As for the station-fighting that followed I think we are all coming to understand that the 24th crusade station in Huola is the most powerful hull in the Amarrian fleet. It has infinite defenses, unbreakable shields, and is capable of refreshing the armour and shield belts of Amarrian ships each minute. This "flagship" of the 24th is so important to our collective enemies they hate to leave its embrace and so we must work hard together to find ways to bait the snail out of his shell. I hope the new starbase in Huola will be one such way. In any case my compliments to your fleet mates Bluejacket. You have demonstrated your friendship in space once again and I salute you for it. Proud opponents of tyranny and delusion you are always welcome in Huola! Join the Revolution!
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:07:00 - [444] I congratulate Star Fraction on their successful deployment of a POS in Huola. It is my genuine hope that with such a base, Star Fraction can now stage the ships, pilots and numbers to make their presence a significant threat to the Amarr. Like my comrade Braitai, I entreat you to continue and aggressively seize the initiative. An opportunity to win much glory and honor are at stake. To the worthy Gallente who aided in the operation--as you have in past, please call upon the Minmatar Militia for capital support whenever needed, as was done recently just a week or so ago when Late Nite moved 4 carriers in support of an attack on a Caldari POS (Cry Havoc supercarriers spoiled that party, alas). To Star Fraction: Although I suspect my offer will be refused, my own carrier and crew stand ready to support and defend your station, and smite the Amarr at their base system, any time I can be found in pod. The Amarrians of Huola know I do not shirk from fighting them on their home ground. Jade, I also still await the negotiations between your second and mine as to when we shall duel, unless you elect to withdraw your challenge? I would not deem such an action dishonorable.
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:39:00 - [445] Edited by: Dame Death on 08/09/2010 19:41:08 Ok lemme get this stright. IFW disagree with sf, sf delcare them traitors to the republic (laughable btw) and jade gets reven to hire mercs v them? Eliza bursts out laughing realy should read this more often now wheres the pop corn. Oh and btw I'm glad to see SiF didnt play along with this BullSh*t +1 van Logs of a Brutor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.08 20:32:00 - [446] Originally by: Kuan Yida I congratulate Star Fraction on their successful deployment of a POS in Huola. It is my genuine hope that with such a base, Star Fraction can now stage the ships, pilots and numbers to make their presence a significant threat to the Amarr. To Star Fraction: Although I suspect my offer will be refused, my own carrier and crew stand ready to support and defend your station, and smite the Amarr at their base system, any time I can be found in pod. The Amarrians of Huola know I do not shirk from fighting them on their home ground. Your offer will not be refused. The war against the Amarrians of the 24th Crusade is more important than our pride or yours and I appreciate and respect the step you are taking in making this offer. We will not slap away the hands of even estranged friends when there is fighting to be done against a cruel and vicious enemy to us both. Let our example here shame those who prefer to spread discord amongst those who should be comrades. Quote: Jade, I also still await the negotiations between your second and mine as to when we shall duel, unless you elect to withdraw your challenge? I would not deem such an action dishonorable. Perhaps the fates have informed us both of the pointlessness of this duel by means of the difficulties our seconds have found agreeing a common time. In the light of your offer to stand with us at the new Starbase in Huola I cannot in good faith turn my guns against you in the matter of a personal duel. I withdraw the challenge. It gives me quite a lot of pleasure to see my comrade Tetseptus was correct in his assessment of your character after all. Join the Revolution!
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.08 21:41:00 - [447] Tetseptus bows deeply to both of his friends, Jade Constantine and Kuan Yida. I thank you both for your patience in this matter and look forward to days of reparation and the rediscovering of common ground. Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.09 05:27:00 - [448] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/09/2010 15:36:39 Originally by: Bluejacket CT We came outnumbered, 20 jumps through lowsec, and on limited intelligence. last night, the Union killed 10 ships even while fighting against the logistics of 2 of the 24th's carriers on the undock of their own home station with nothing more than a small battleship fleet. The fight outside of the 24th Imperial Crusade station in Huola was a net loss for Union forces, but at the end of the engagement, the 24th had failed to reinforce the starbase, which still stands at full strength today. Your assistance was very timely and fully appreciated Bluejacket, I think the 24th Crusade armada had managed to bring the new tower shield (no offensive mods online) to 26% shield status and a hairsbreath away from reinforcement by the time your fleet landed on the field and the Amarrian vessels sped away in utter cowardly retreat to the protection of their station. Was a shame my double suicide tackle attempt failed to pin Predator Elite's Paladin class battleship for long enough to hold him away from his precious station on that occasion. But it must have been extremely frustrating for them to have come so close but achieved so little there. As for the station-fighting that followed I think we are all coming to understand that the 24th crusade station in Huola is the most powerful hull in the Amarrian fleet. It has infinite defenses, unbreakable shields, and is capable of refreshing the armour and shield belts of Amarrian ships each minute as they cycle through the revolving doors of its super-efficient docking system. This "flagship" of the 24th is so important to our collective enemies they hate to leave its embrace and so we must work hard together to find ways to bait the snail out of his shell. I hope the new starbase in Huola will be one such way. In any case my compliments to your fleet mates Bluejacket. You have demonstrated your friendship in space once again and I salute you for it. Proud opponents of tyranny and delusion you are always welcome in Huola alongside the Fraction and those good friends we have in the Matari freedom movement! ^^ I approve. Bluejacket & Co is awesome sauce A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.09 13:39:00 - [449] Jade, we're coming for you.
Altaen Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.09.09 19:42:00 - [450] Originally by: Zverofaust Originally by: Altaen Originally by: Zverofaust Please provide this "documentation". :) I will politely decline to give you a link to your own militia's killboard. I am certain you can locate and analyze the battle report yourself. So...most involved parties on a single kill was 25...sounds to me like the fleet didn't know how to focus fire on primaries, because the number of unique pilots present was indeed 40.
Razzor Death Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.10 14:53:00 - [451] Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 08/09/2010 19:41:08 Ok lemme get this stright. IFW disagree with sf, sf delcare them traitors to the republic (laughable btw) and jade gets reven to hire mercs v them? Eliza bursts out laughing realy should read this more often now wheres the pop corn. Oh and btw I'm glad to see SiF didnt play along with this BullSht +1 van momma ? is that you ? -------------------------------------------------- I'm posting in your thread and I didn't even read the OP v0v*
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.10 17:57:00 - [452] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 10/09/2010 18:04:49 Campaign Update In the wake of the Star Fraction's establishment of a forward firebase in Huola system, it would appear that the Amarr militia, to use an old Minmatar expression, "Don't like it up 'em." Originally by: THE F.E.A.R Declares War Against The Star Fraction From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.09.10 02:02 THE F.E.A.R has declared war on The Star Fraction. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Originally by: Absinthe Brothers Declares War Against The Star Fraction From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.09.10 09:58 Absinthe Brothers has declared war on The Star Fraction. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. This brings the current balance of forces in active sanctioned wars with the Fraction to: Core Impulse (declared by the Fraction) 113 pilots (65 days and counting) Deus Imperiosus Acies (declared by the Fraction) 73 pilots (14 days and counting) THE F.E.A.R (declared by THE F.E.A.R) 41 pilots Absinthe Brothers (declared by Absinthe Brothers) 63 pilots The struggle continues. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.10 17:57:00 - [453] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/09/2010 18:02:16 We welcome our new brave wardec opponents to the warzone! Join the Revolution!
Frosteele	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:03:00 - [454] SF is pulling thier dec from DIA because they are too weak to do anything to us. Everytime we saw you in space we waited to kill you while you hid in station. You are cowards and blowhards. Only reason im writing on this forum is to say YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO FIGHT US, thats why your dropping the wardeck windbag. For degrading the quality of how forums and eve operate, I'll kill you anyway. Talk is cheap **** BROWN LUSTRUM IS ALWAYS A SUCCESS
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:23:00 - [455] Other corporations have discovered the means to issue wardecs. Perhaps yours can as well Frosteel. As we have always stated concord sanctioned wardecs are a tactical weapon to be utilized and employed at times of our convenience. If you want to take part in the upcoming attempts to rid Huola of our tower without criminal flagging then I suggest you ask Invelious to put his hand in his pocket and pay for the dec. Don't come to IGS and play the penniless begger whinging for charity. Join the Revolution!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:32:00 - [456] There are no moons of value in Huola my dear. Why should we even bother with removing star bases that holds no real strategic value, that dosent hold any minerals that can be mined for profit ? We have better things to do with our time, like spinning our ships in stations, and beating down the minnies whenever they come out. No my dear, your attempt at dictating the battlefield has failed. And it will not in any way aid you in your efforts to control the Impulse. You are however as always, welcome to try and intercept our combat patrols in the area if you really wish to aid ROSS in their struggle against us. Divine Commador Dunn Idaho Core Impulse
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:35:00 - [457] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/09/2010 20:35:16 Originally by: Dunn Idaho No my dear, your attempt at dictating the battlefield has failed. We shall see. If you are more cowardly than last years Amarrian leadership under Garst Tyrell then we will make great utility of the tower a little over 181,000 kilometers from your dock point games and everybody will be happy. Let us see what happens in space. Join the Revolution!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:45:00 - [458] Edited by: Dunn Idaho on 10/09/2010 20:45:27 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/09/2010 20:35:16 Originally by: Dunn Idaho No my dear, your attempt at dictating the battlefield has failed. We shall see. If you are more cowardly than last years Amarrian leadership under Garst Tyrell then we will make great utility of the tower a little over 181,000 kilometers from your dock point games and everybody will be happy. Let us see what happens in space. If it leads to The Star Fraction engaging us more often, then I welcome this tower of yours.
Frosteele	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:52:00 - [459] umm.. no one cares about your tower unless it leads to us getting fights. We all know the only reason you put it up is so you could talk on forums more. go ahead and hide behind concord, in lol lowsec. some people arent afraid of concord or gateguns you little trick. u suck at pvp, and your a coward andrew. talk is cheap **** OPERATION BROWN LUSTRUM STILL IN EFFECT

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.11 02:30:00 - [460] Inappropriate post removed.

Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.16 13:59:00 - [461] Quote: CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Core Impulse From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.09.16 03:46 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. And so ends to war to control the impulse. By now my dear enemies, I hope you have learned that the very nature of the impulse is something that cannot be controled. Dunn Idaho Core Impulse
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.16 17:32:00 - [462] You are premature. War is not defined solely by CONCORD-sanctioned warfare. Indeed, it is hardly as if one needs a CONCORD war to fight many of your pilots anywhere they happen to fly without interference from police ships or sentry guns. We shall see how things go for a space without a CONCORD war but don't imagine for a second that it means this is over. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.16 20:08:00 - [463] Edited by: Invelious on 16/09/2010 20:08:48 Originally by: The Cosmopolite We shall see how things go for a space without a CONCORD war but don't imagine for a second that it means this is over. The Cosmopolite Its going to go with star fraction staying in stations, and without a concord sanction, you will never attack, at least not outright. More like what you guys did with the carrier fight the other day and you all stayed about 200km to 300km away and waited until the carrier was about to explode. Then warped in and shot at it at the very end. Pathetic.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.16 21:16:00 - [464] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Quote: CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Core Impulse From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.09.16 03:46 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. And so ends to war to control the impulse. By now my dear enemies, I hope you have learned that the very nature of the impulse is something that cannot be controled. Dunn Idaho Core Impulse I forgot to pay the bill. Will be declared again tonight as soon as its allowed. Join the Revolution!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.16 21:55:00 - [465] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dunn Idaho Quote: CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Core Impulse From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.09.16 03:46 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. And so ends to war to control the impulse. By now my dear enemies, I hope you have learned that the very nature of the impulse is something that cannot be controled. Dunn Idaho Core Impulse I forgot to pay the bill. Will be declared again tonight as soon as its allowed. Operation Impulse Control II then ?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.16 22:32:00 - [466] Not at all. Its the same campaign and to reinforce the point made a few posts ago: whether we have an active concord war or not as long as we are in the area and focusing on our objectives the campaign remains. There will be times when we doubtless see advantage to dropping the concord dec and concentrating on punishing your low security pilots. But this is not that time and the dec will be renewed shortly. Ultimately you should look to your own pilots and activities and leave your enemies to theirs. If you want to impact our ability to utilize wardecs for our own advantage you have the ability to declare your own. Ultimately though, less complaining about your enemy's tactics will paint your organization in a marginally better light. Join the Revolution!
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.16 22:54:00 - [467] I would like to personally declare victory against SF in the impulse war. It was a easy win with star fraction not even fighting us, when they had multiple caps on the field and sitting on station. If SF wants to re-deck corim I would very much like that, just more easy kills for me. Oh and Jade let me know how much you want to pay for your corpse back . Predator Elite Amarr FC
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.16 23:46:00 - [468] "Declare" whatever you like Predator. Its not like we haven't heard it all from 24th Crusade local chat before. Claim you are the long lost son of the Amarrian Empress with a head made of burnished platinum for all we care. War continues until we say it doesn't. Join the Revolution!
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:19:00 - [469] Is that what you think jade, that this war will end when you want it to. You must be blind, your allaince is falling apart you won't even undock unless you have multi caps on the field, and even then you are to afraid to leave station or (fail fit) pos to get a decent fight. Example when you asked Blue jacket to run down to huola to protect your pos, the gallente actually fought and you meaning SF sat at station doing nothing. Your allies are leaving you open your eyes, this war will end when Core wants it to end.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:29:00 - [470] Originally by: Predator Elite ... this war will end when Core wants it to end. What core wants is immaterial. You simply need to realize you are no longer the biggest predator in the paddling pool. Less words more fighting. Join the Revolution!
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:33:00 - [471] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Predator Elite ... this war will end when Core wants it to end. What core wants is immaterial. You simply need to realize you are no longer the biggest predator in the paddling pool. Less words more fighting. Jade you might want to look at what you wrote "Less words more fighting" undock leave station and you will get a fight.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:39:00 - [472] Originally by: Predator Elite Jade you might want to look at what you wrote "Less words more fighting" undock leave station and you will get a fight. Not from core impulse on past experience. You are extremely risk averse and unwilling to engage unless you control all the cards in the engagement. It comes to something when we have to use passive target 1400 arty tempests as the only viable way to destroy your ships before they redock at the staton. Join the Revolution!
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:52:00 - [473] Originally by: Predator Elite I would like to personally declare victory against SF in the impulse war. It was a easy win with star fraction not even fighting us, when they had multiple caps on the field and sitting on station. If SF wants to re-deck corim I would very much like that, just more easy kills for me. Oh and Jade let me know how much you want to pay for your corpse back . Predator Elite Amarr FC congratulations pred. Jade if u want to be part of faction war join the millita. Otherwise keep ur wizardhat alliance out of it. We don't need ur failure ruptures.
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 00:53:00 - [474] LOL jade if you would even leave station you would understand what a fight is. We have not yet seen a fleet just of SF off station, and the reason why we don't fight you on station is because docking games are stupid and a waste of time. If you really want a fight then leave station or shut up and quit the game cause you obviously don't know how to play the game and have fun.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 01:26:00 - [475] You sound a bit tense there. Things not going quite as you expected? Join the Revolution!
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 01:28:00 - [476] Edited by: Predator Elite on 17/09/2010 01:28:49 lol Things are going better then expected to be honest im getting easy kills off of you, and proving that SF dosen't have skill, aka your T1 fit crusiers.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 01:51:00 - [477] Why don't you like our tech1 fit cruisers? What upsets you about them so much? Join the Revolution!
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.09.17 01:55:00 - [478] You'll have to explain the correlation between using T1 cruisers and skill. I'm struggling to see the point you're attempting to make. http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 02:19:00 - [479] SF claims that they have come to the bleak lands to help mims against amarr. The point im trying to make with the T1 cruisers is that SF is only here to help out their Killboard. They use T1 garbage fit cruisers to killmail ***** on amarr losses. They will throw one inty into a mim gang and ninja killmail to make them seem like good pvpers but in all honestly they just suck at the game.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 02:27:00 - [480] I think the reason you don't like the tech1 Cruisers is because its extra humiliating when your people get killed by them. Join the Revolution!
Predator Elite Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 03:21:00 - [481] Jade you haven't killed anything with the T1 crusiers.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 04:26:00 - [482] Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator. Best we agree to differ and lets hope you prove more aggressive in space over the next few months. You had a dangerous reputation at the beginning of this, lets see if you care to fight to maintain it. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.17 04:57:00 - [483] Originally by: Jade Constantine Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator. Best we agree to differ and lets hope you prove more aggressive in space over the next few months. You had a dangerous reputation at the beginning of this, lets see if you care to fight to maintain it. Yes Pred, best avoid topics that make Jade and his crew of crap look bad. Best move along here, this is a thread about a SF war gone bad ok.
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:35:00 - [484] Originally by: Jade Constantine Since we are straying into Archbishop-land with your last comment there Predator. Archbishop-land must be filled with comments that are full of truth and shame against Star Fraction. I assume that is why you don't like going there. Honestly, can you find no better excuse? You have thrown around the words "Archbishop", "obsessed", and "stalker" like they absolve you from actually trying to make meaningful points or debate. Do not talk about the weather when we ask you about the war. If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them. I think Pred is simply pointing to a nuance of a fact I have repeated many times: SF seems to urge the Minmatar to fight, promising assistance which usually includes some command-module bonuses beamed from afar and ships that arrive towards the end of battle so long as things are in the Minmatar's favor. Flying T1 cruisers is just another layer of that same low-risk, high-visibility policy that SF employs. "All the glory, none of the risk." SF Edict #171. Strapped for ISK? Life in 0.0 not going so well? If you would undock in TechII ships and fight the Amarr Militia, without help from the Minamatar, this criticism would stop. But you can not, so it will not. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:43:00 - [485] Originally by: Vaarun If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them. Generally because they are. Predator and (I imagine you) are simply complaining about a tactic of war you do not like. I imagine we all know why the Fraction like our regular tech1 cruiser roams - its because we can use them to execute war targets and kill rights targets in the middle of large Amarrian fleets while not suffering any real fiscal damage by the inevitable response of said large fleet. We trade the price of an inexpensive hull for a new collection of killrights we can use to execute enemies elsewhere in the warzone. Its a tried and test methodology and you do not like it because it works. But then you are our enemy so you are not supposed to like it. The Fraction is hated by the 24th because we do things your more conventional enemies cannot. We stalk you in Amarrian hisec. We execute your loners with killrights. We break up your formations and force your groups to criminally-flag against inexpensive hulls that give you nothing of value in the loot. We move our operations to your HQ system and assassinate those who sought glory against the fraction by being one of 30 on a tech1 cruiser hull. Its a very annoying tactic from your perspective I am sure. But its a guerilla warfare technique and it upsets your calm. This is clear by all the whining and complaining you engage in on the forums while we simply keep on with our objectives in space. But learn this. Crying about our tactics will not make us go away. You'd need to actually fight to achieve that. Join the Revolution!
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:03:00 - [486] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Vaarun If someone calls SF to the mat with anything that makes them look bad, they call them an "obsessed stalker" and dismiss them. Generally because they are. Predator and (I imagine you) are simply complaining about a tactic of war you do not like. I imagine we all know why the Fraction like our regular tech1 cruiser roams - its because we can use them to execute war targets and kill rights targets in the middle of large Amarrian fleets while not suffering any real fiscal damage by the inevitable response of said large fleet. We trade the price of an inexpensive hull for a new collection of killrights we can use to execute enemies elsewhere in the warzone. Its a tried and test methodology and you do not like it because it works. But then you are our enemy so you are not supposed to like it. The Fraction is hated by the 24th because we do things your more conventional enemies cannot. We stalk you in Amarrian hisec. We execute your loners with killrights. We break up your formations and force your groups to criminally-flag against inexpensive hulls that give you nothing of value in the loot. We move our operations to your HQ system and assassinate those who sought glory against the fraction by being one of 30 on a tech1 cruiser hull. Its a very annoying tactic from your perspective I am sure. But its a guerilla warfare technique and it upsets your calm. This is clear by all the whining and complaining you engage in on the forums while we simply keep on with our objectives in space. But learn this. Crying about our tactics will not make us go away. You'd need to actually fight to achieve that. Well. Those are all fair reasons and thank you for not falling back on some dismissive and trite excuse to avoid engagement. I also thank you for tipping your hand and letting the pilots here have an insight into the more subtle reasons behind your actions. That was more than I had expected. So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, myou gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:40:00 - [487] But when Amarr militia pilots fly T1 frigs and cruisers Connie goes all emo claiming how they lack a backbone and been reduced to flying worthless ships because of how much damage the Star fraction has done and how people are scared of them> Sorry you old fruit, you lot are scared to fly more expensive things, no shame in that at all, just don't flower it up for more than it is.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 19:01:00 - [488] Originally by: Vaarun So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, you gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing. You simply dangle a disposable ship for them to kill so you can kill more valuable ships later and possibly in an inopportune moment or high-sec. Clever, and still fitting your "low-risk" methodology. Certainly. And if the 24th "wise up" and refuse to gcc on our tech1 cruisers then they must stand by and watch while we eliminate and assassinate our war dec targets or natural Amarrian lowsec people. As you can appreciate its effective either way. But the tactic is no secret Vaarun. Your leadership have known about it for years. Its why the likes of Predator Elite comes here to try to mock it and complain about its employment. Its effective, hence hated by our enemies. Thats why we do it. Join the Revolution!
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.17 21:15:00 - [489] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Vaarun So...to paraphrase, by letting pilots kill your T1 cruisers, you gain killrights on them, so if they just left you alone, you would gain nothing. You simply dangle a disposable ship for them to kill so you can kill more valuable ships later and possibly in an inopportune moment or high-sec. Clever, and still fitting your "low-risk" methodology. Certainly. And if the 24th "wise up" and refuse to gcc on our tech1 cruisers then they must stand by and watch while we eliminate and assassinate our war dec targets or natural Amarrian lowsec people. As you can appreciate its effective either way. But the tactic is no secret Vaarun. Your leadership have known about it for years. Its why the likes of Predator Elite comes here to try to mock it and complain about its employment. Its effective, hence hated by our enemies. Thats why we do it. So we're back to whoring some Damage, when the milita fights for you. You cannot counter our fleets in strait up fight, youve said so yourself, so we've reduced you to whoring. Wich if what they say is true about you, its something you find quite natural and easy ;) Dunn
Skogen Gump The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.17 21:51:00 - [490] I don't often post here, but I couldn't hold my tongue any more: Originally by: Predator Elite ...and the reason why we don't fight you on station is because docking games are stupid and a waste of time.... You might want to have a word with Eliserae about that, if you dislike the docking games so much; there is a good reason why we chose to execute her Drake last night. Originally by: Predator Elite You must be blind, your allaince is falling apart I beg to differ, and it's especially ironic for you to say, considering how many of your own have joined Exile Consortium. Originally by: Predator Elite you won't even undock unless you have multi caps on the field That is clearly a ridiculous statement and you know it. I have a lingering respect for you, Predator and I know my friend Claire XXX does, but you really are beginning to sound desperate here; I urge you, for your own dignity, to look to what you're saying. I will see you on the field of war.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.09.17 23:02:00 - [491] Originally by: Vaarun Strapped for ISK? Only comment I thought worth to quote because it's literally... priceless Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.18 06:25:00 - [492] Edited by: Archbishop on 18/09/2010 06:28:06 It appears the Star Fraction has been reduced to flying T1 cruisers and frigates. Their once vaunted wealth gone... traded for a couple of Titans and an outpost they can hardly afford to run. Long past are the days of the Star Fraction fielding armies of T2 hulled ships, their wallets overflowing with T2 riches, rather now they seek donations from their own corporation members to fund their efforts and slink around looking for strays to shoot. I recall a time not long ago when the Star Fraction claimed the forces of the Amarrian loyalists were reduced to flying frigates... never mind frigates and cruisers were all that was allowed in most militia complex warzones... they sought to spin it into some anarchist "victory". Now, using that same standard, it becomes very clear that the 24th Crusade and others like Core Impulse and all the random corporations the Star Fraction has wardec'd recently have reduced them to a cruiser fielding shell of their former selves, what they once claimed applied to others now applies to them, after all turn about is fair play. Unless of course Jade is a complete hypocrite? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Tara Armitage Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.18 07:46:00 - [493] Edited by: Tara Armitage on 18/09/2010 07:48:12 Star Fraction and before that Jericho Fraction has never had any other wealth than the wealth its members have donated to it for specific needs. The needed ISK to bribe CONCORD as well as other running costs of the Alliance and the Corporation have always been raised by asking voluntary donations from the members.Those who have been in the position to do so, have put forth the needed funds if the mood has struck them and soon we have had the required resources. Any even slightly significant wealth of Star Fraction is, and it has always been, completely private owned and it is the only way we would have it. Obviously seeing as we are, indeed, ungodly (pun intented) rich by average your view may vary on the "slightly significant". The other option is and has always been completely private and voluntary ventures that our members run with each other in many differently formed groups and indeed with third parties. Again the wealth associated with such ventures too is completely private owned from the Star Fraction's position. For one who thinks he is able to make far reaching conclusions and, in fact, for one that has been making such far reaching conclusions in a very loud way for years and years about Jericho Fraction and Star Fraction, Archbishop should know such a basic functionality of the entity he keeps on frothing about. Everyone should make their own conclusions as to the quality of his broadcasts and I am not really interested in those conclusions. I am simply making available simple facts as they are in reality and not in the La la laa land of Archbishop and other lunatics, about wealth and Star Fraction. As for The Impulse Control, it has ran itself as a form of lazy entertainment while majority of us have been otherwise engaged. There certainly seems to be a lot of commentating on the matter. We are used to such high level of noise since the days of the New Venal Alliance many years ago and it never ceases. Faces change but the song remains. While sometimes entertaining, I would put little to no weight on this when forming a picture about the actual events, but again that is for everyone to decide for themselves. We'll see what's what in a completely different venue now that the seasonal yearly cycles in our alliance are once more turning. All of these communications apart from the facts such as the declaration of the campaign and its goals etc. - the rest is useless in the end.
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.09.18 09:12:00 - [494] Originally by: Archbishop You're so blinded by your obsession with the fraction you can't distinguish between thrift as an economic lever and thrift as a necessity. When you need to shovel **** it doesn't mean you have to use a platinum shovel. http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.18 12:57:00 - [495] Originally by: Skogen Gump You might want to have a word with Eliserae about that, if you dislike the docking games so much; there is a good reason why we chose to execute her Drake last night. This just in: Star Fraction successfully destroyed a Drake-class Battlecruiser Vessel. Celebrations immediately erupted, lasting into the early hours of the next morning. A memorial plaque dedicated to this heroic and decisive victory has been erected in Huola. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.18 13:37:00 - [496] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/09/2010 13:37:39 Originally by: Archbishop It appears the Star Fraction ... [snipped for the tripe filter] Dear me. It comes to something when I have to publicly declare our tactics and techniques on the summit so the 24th Crusade can at least understand whats going on and it still goes straight over their heads. When Core Impulse take to using Archbishop for their front man you know something is going embarrassingly wrong in that organization. Join the Revolution!
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard	Posted - 2010.09.18 14:50:00 - [497] I personally, cant see the point of anyone discussing anything with the Star Fraction. Their confusion becomes apparent when they at the same time as proclaiming to be working for a good cause, openly declare themselves anarchists, terrorists, collaborators with pirates, and worse. Unfortunately, it seems clear that they have some fanatical obsession with this twisted ideology of theirs, and that they are in no way willing to turn away from that path of chaos and blindness. Well, let's not waste our tongues on contradicting their propaganda and twisted ideologies over and over again, it is surely a waste of time. Instead, let the guns do the talking! ___________________ Yulai Guard Forum
Skogen Gump The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.18 15:14:00 - [498] Originally by: Codo Yagari Their confusion becomes apparent when they at the same time as proclaiming to be working for a good cause, openly declare themselves anarchists, terrorists, collaborators with pirates, and worse. This is only a contradiction if you consider anarchism etc. a bad thing. Originally by: Codo Yagari Instead, let the guns do the talking! Amen.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.18 23:36:00 - [499] Lets be clear, I hold no weight in the value of a ship someone uses to fight for a cause they believe in. The important thing is that you do fight. I for one certainly never passed comment on the use of cost effective ships, I made many comments and jeers at those pilots who would flee from any hint of combat using only their stripped down, low-friction frigate ships to skit about the war zone while their comrades burned. If I see a significant advantage in using a T2, or T3 ship I will. If I can kill you in my thorax, why not? Surely if these T2 ships your so keen for us to use are so amazingly good, you can use them and wipe the floor with our inferior technology? Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.19 02:58:00 - [500] Originally by: ChipMo Lets be clear, I hold no weight in the value of a ship someone uses to fight for a cause they believe in. The important thing is that you do fight. I for one certainly never passed comment on the use of cost effective ships, I made many comments and jeers at those pilots who would flee from any hint of combat using only their stripped down, low-friction frigate ships to skit about the war zone while their comrades burned. If I see a significant advantage in using a T2, or T3 ship I will. If I can kill you in my thorax, why not? Surely if these T2 ships your so keen for us to use are so amazingly good, you can use them and wipe the floor with our inferior technology? So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war? A time when Amarrian Militia forces were quite successful and likewise quite restricted to small warships in factional warfare combat areas. I am quite encouraged by your honesty in condemning her comments and showing there is value to be placed in all who support a cause. While we don't agree on the cause I must say I find your honesty refreshing. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 09:38:00 - [501] Originally by: Archbishop So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war? Where are you getting this insight from? I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to? Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
Ascentior Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.19 14:41:00 - [502] Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Archbishop So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war? Where are you getting this insight from? I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to? Perhaps this needs to be spelled out a little clearer for you. Archbishop usually talks to people who understand these concepts so skips over some basics. Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems that rightly belong to the Empire. To do this, we must enter areas that restrict the hull type we use, in some cases to tech 1 frigates. This is our priority. Any outside disturbance from confused anarchists is secondary to the task at hand and will be dealt with time permitting. This is the reason why you will find militia pilots in small hulls. This war is not about killing enemies, it is about saving people from their own damnation. You may have concerns about a future where all the people of this world can live together in His light, without fear of attack from pirates, terrorists and anarchists alike. This is, however, the future we are building in His name. Delay it as you might, you can not stop it. So do not try to compare against militia. We are fighting for a cause and if we must be humble in our ship choice to take control of an area, then we will. You are here for the glory of controlling a powerful enemy. The enemy you chose is fielding battleships perhaps so you can find them easier. Yet you continue to use the tactics of hiding behind Moons and Minnies in your T1 Cruisers, in an attempt to get a higher score on some scoreboard. And by all reports I've seen linked, it's not working. The most interesting part is, we know the Minnie militia is a worthy foe. We know they can hold their own and are a very difficult obstacle in our path (in time we will free them from their shackles of hatred). It would be interesting to see how your 'Fractioneers' would hold up in your chosen war without using this more powerful force to do it for you.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.19 16:00:00 - [503] Edited by: Archbishop on 19/09/2010 16:02:15 Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Archbishop So in this case ChipMo using this logic you are condemning the words of your executor Jade Constantine when she regularily criticized Amarrian Loyalists for not fielding battleships when she was looking for a battleship war? Where are you getting this insight from? I remember last year when the amarr militia where flying what you could call 2nd rate hulls much to our annoyance. Is this what you are refering to? Exactly. Ascentior above has spelled out the details better then I could but you clearly see the relevance. In the past Jade Constantine has alleged the flying of lessor classed ships to be some indication of a failure on the part of the Amarr loyalist forces. At the same time she was quite happy to claim the Star Fraction had forced the Amarr Loyalists into such ships even repeating the lie several times we couldn't field battleship fleets. In reality as Ascentior states the militia forces are involved in areas of space where restrictions on ship size and class are present. As the #1 primary goal of the militia forces is combating enemies of the empire (the Minmatar Millitia for example) we fly the ships that allow us to do that mission. Jumping into battleships (which we do on occasion) to go out and fight with some insignificant attention seeking spin doctor isn't important to the forces of the Amarr Militia thus you can see why the Amarrians were in small ships at the time. Connecting this to what ChipMo has said above is very easily actually. He is completely refuting everything Jade had previously said about forces flying small ships. Chipmo states (quite correctly) that the tools an individual uses are merely that, tools, and not a reflection of commitment or dedication. In the case of the Amarr Militia the best tool for the job was (and is) small warships that can enter the restricted warzones. As our enemy are the enemies of the Amarr that makes sense. Likewise with the Star Fraction one of two things is true. First they are just doing what the Amarr Militia has done and flying the ships appropriate for the job... the best "tool" as it were. Second they are complete failures, the Amarr Militia and others like Core Impulse have beaten them into the ground to the point that all they can field are small T1 warships and the 24th Amarr Militia and others like Core Impulse can quite clearly claim "victory" given such facts about the Star Fraction ship types. Where am I "getting" my belief that ChipMo has condemned Jade's comments? Really it's quite obvious. Just as the Star Fraction is now flying the best "tool" to do their job so was the Amarr Militia with restricted complexes and factional warfare regulations. In these cases Jade chose the second option above and claimed (multiple times) that Amarr Loyalist forces were reduced to flying small ships and not engaging Star Fraction attention seekers in their big T2 and battleship fleets. This she claimed was a great Star Fraction "victory" over the imperialists. In other words Jade said completely the opposite of ChipMo. ChipMo realizes the #1 option above, with pilots flying the right tool for the job, is the reality of the situation and shows commitment and dedication. In other words he just baitch-slapped Jade upside the head (quite eloquently) by proving that everything Jade said about the imperialist ship choice was inacurrate, a lie and completely off-target. ChipMo has done a valuable service for his corporation. He has looked past the obsessional ravings of his CEO and her needs to always seek "victory" on IGS and replaced it with a very simple truth of the selection of ship types in the combat zone. His condemnation of Jade's words is quite loud and clear. Again...that sort of honesty and openess from an anarchist... quite refreshing actually. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 16:11:00 - [504] Edited by: Al''Gouhti on 19/09/2010 16:13:26 Originally by: Ascentior Perhaps this needs to be spelled out a little clearer for you. Archbishop usually talks to people who understand these concepts so skips over some basics. Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems that rightly belong to the Empire. To do this, we must enter areas that restrict the hull type we use, in some cases to tech 1 frigates. This is our priority. Any outside disturbance from confused anarchists is secondary to the task at hand and will be dealt with time permitting. This is the reason why you will find militia pilots in small hulls. This war is not about killing enemies, it is about saving people from their own damnation. You may have concerns about a future where all the people of this world can live together in His light, without fear of attack from pirates, terrorists and anarchists alike. This is, however, the future we are building in His name. Delay it as you might, you can not stop it. So do not try to compare against militia. We are fighting for a cause and if we must be humble in our ship choice to take control of an area, then we will. You are here for the glory of controlling a powerful enemy. The enemy you chose is fielding battleships perhaps so you can find them easier. Yet you continue to use the tactics of hiding behind Moons and Minnies in your T1 Cruisers, in an attempt to get a higher score on some scoreboard. And by all reports I've seen linked, it's not working. The most interesting part is, we know the Minnie militia is a worthy foe. We know they can hold their own and are a very difficult obstacle in our path (in time we will free them from their shackles of hatred). It would be interesting to see how your 'Fractioneers' would hold up in your chosen war without using this more powerful force to do it for you. wow that is a lot of words you use to, not awnser my question and it wasnt even directed to you. But since you seem to like spelling things out clearer. Then maybe you could help Archbishop explain how ChipMo is condemnig Jades words. If it is what I suspect, that Archbishop is refering to coments said a year ago, then he is a raving buffoon that dosnt understand that. Eventhough The Bleak Lands and the other regions might be the same theater as last time, but the conflict has evolved. what was the situation yesterday will be a thing of the past today. He seems to always be one step behind everyone else in the conflict. But I guess there is no reason in trying to reason with a mad clergiman whose congregation is composed by raving lunatics. Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 16:31:00 - [505] Edited by: Al''Gouhti on 19/09/2010 16:31:39 Clergyman you are so stuck in the past that you wouldnt see the future if it punched you in the face. Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 16:32:00 - [506] The reality is that PIE Inc. stopped being a relevant wardec target for the Star Fraction quite a long time ago. Why they are still chasing the bus like red-faced frothing lunatics now is more difficult to discern but hardly anything for us to spend much time analysing. If PIE Inc. wish to play a role in the current campaign then they can find the same wardec procedures as Absinthe and F.E.A.R and Tribal Liberation Wolf's were able to in support of Core Impulse. If they cannot then their purposeless ranting on this thread is apparent as the futile and impotent windy noise it has become in the eyes of anyone with the sense to see it. Join the Revolution!
Sabbott Amarr Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:02:00 - [507] I myself find it laughable, Jades obsession with Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (PIE), And how she goes to lengths to denounce and talk bad of them in obsessive ravings... In most my previous dealings with her she just lowers herself to name calling ... even calling me one of them, but never really answer's questions clearly, It was nice to see there are a few with in the Fraction with some honesty, ChipMo has shown that clearly. But one needs to think about sedating or medicating the Fractionist leader... who is raving lunatic Passing by one of the fractionists skirmish forces in the Bleak Lands recently, looking for our own tagets we saw them holding on the other side of a system to pick up stragglers as their minmatar "friends" died on the other gate against the might of the Amarr militia. It is interesting how they hold their ally's "not" as equals in this conflict... but use them for their own motive. It might be in fact they are a "3rd" force in the theatre of war? looking for destruction of even the Minmatar forces in the region, as a pure anarchist would be expected... to enjoy watching everything around them burn and crumble, but to do this while acting as ally's of the Minmatar is so low and cowardly... But not unexpected. It would be nice to have a clear answer to this. In closing I think The Fraction needs more honesty to gain respect of its enemy's and friends alike, lets hope their are more ChipMo's in the fraction and this policy of hate and cowardly tactics of hiding behind the strong Matari warriors comes to an end with a honest and straight forward conflicts & tactics. As I know the Fraction is capable of.. -High Inquisitor Sabbot Join 'Sani Sabik' channel /// Book of Virtues
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:37:00 - [508] As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits. *ChipMo strokes his chin > humm... Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:08:00 - [509] Originally by: ChipMo As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits. *ChipMo strokes his chin > humm... Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion. Nothing did. This was just the usual kind of desperate attention-seeking posting from washed up failed Amarrian Nationalists. All the information required to decisively refute any point attempted by the loyalists is clearly available in our public statements. I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery. Join the Revolution!
Ascentior Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:28:00 - [510] Originally by: Jade Constantine ... I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery. As you seem to be aiming this comment at PIE Inc, I will reiterate what has already been said. We (and it appears most of the Amarr Militia) are not concerned with "fighting" you. Our goal is to save those that are lost and bring them into His embrace. This is our goal. If and when you directly hinder us in achieving that goal, it has been, and will continue to be dealt with, ad hoc. As you are focusing your campaign on Core Impulse, and they have no trouble dealing with the situation, there seems to be no need to adjust that attitude. I do not assume to make the decisions for our corp, nor do I claim to have access to all the information that our directors have, but that is quite clear to me. The Empire's militia (PIE included) have much harder opponents to deal with than some lost 'Fractioneers'. Core Impulse seem to have this all under control (Impulse control?). Sadly for The Star Fraction, no matter what is said on the summit, the Amarr militia will continue to bring the grace of the Empire to wayward Minmatar. It's a shame that such a worthy adversary (The Minmatar militia) continue to fight aside such a Pied Piper. Even though these lost children needn't die at all, instead accept the embrace of God and live in his name. They also do not deserve to be herded like cattle to their deaths in some pointless attempt to make The Star Fraction seem relevant again.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 01:36:00 - [511] Edited by: Archbishop on 20/09/2010 01:37:01 Originally by: ChipMo As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits. ChipMo strokes his chin > humm... Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion. Allow me to explain ChipMo. First though I will again thank you for your honesty though in your condemnation of Jade's comments. Unlike Jade however I am not a hypocrite. What I say today, or a year ago, or five years ago, I'll mean tomorrow. Unless God and the empire orders a change I am quite obedient in my service to the empire and my beliefs. This is the hypocrisy that your leader is so well known for. What she says today probably will* be ignored tomorrow when it's inconvenient. Indeed the "inconvenient truths" have been well documented already. If it isn't a condemnation then perhaps you can comment on the hypocrisy of the situation. The hypocrisy of the Star Fraction once again doing something they once critized others for. This is hardly the first time after all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 01:59:00 - [512] Edited by: Archbishop on 20/09/2010 02:01:18 Originally by: Jade Constantine Nothing did. This was just the usual kind of desperate attention-seeking posting from washed up failed Amarrian Nationalists. All the information required to decisively refute any point attempted by the loyalists is clearly available in our public statements. I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery. Actually Jade we're doing quite well in combat. Even I've been able to get in on a couple of capital kills in the past few months. The primary difference is we don't run to IGS and post a 25 page "campaign" thread to stroke our egos. You seem to think the universe revolves around you and the only worthy enemy is one that seeks you out to fight. You obviously overrate your importance. When I look at our kills database and see nights like the Battle of Kouramen a couple of months ago where PIE pilots joined an outnumbered fleet militia pilots in bringing down a Revalation and a carrier slaughtering the tribals 44 ships to 10 ships I hardly see a "washed up" corporation. I myself managed to lose a Zealot and an Apocalypse that night but I also ended up on a Revelation killmail so it was a satisfying evening. I recall back then (and even years ago) we were hearing "washed up" from you. You obviously are attempting to repeat a lie so often you hope people will eventually start believing you. Unfortunately for you your repuation is such that hardly anyone believes you anymore. When we see hypocrisy from you like the Rosalund Shaw proxy-incident, the backroom deals with territorialist alliances, the participation in corp-theft operations and all the other examples of hypocrisy you've kind of put yourself in a position where we take everything you say with a laugh. The true war for Amarr is against the Minmatar and the Gallente. You operate under the mistaken opinion that you matter. When I have to design new ribbons and medals because we have pilots with over 2000 kills to their credit (as I'm working on now) it's quite clear we're quite busy with the enemies that matter like the Minmatar and Electus Matari. Those are the true enemies of Amarr. You and your attention seeking band of misfits rate way down on the list of what matters. You seem to think you're so important everyone should run out and wardec you. Quite obviously your not. Sorry. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Sharra Savente Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.09.20 06:56:00 - [513] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: ChipMo As flattered as I am to have my 'honesty' acknowledged I'm a little bemused how this can be given the condemnation I have had in the very recent past. A complement of convenience I expect, one to be refuted again when it suits. *ChipMo strokes his chin > humm... Regardless, I don't see how anything I said contradicts any of Jade's comments in the first place, so its kind of a moot discussion. Nothing did. This was just the usual kind of desperate attention-seeking posting from washed up failed Amarrian Nationalists. All the information required to decisively refute any point attempted by the loyalists is clearly available in our public statements. I think at the end of the day this is simply how the Amarrians intend to "fight" now ... waste our time on the forums trying to tempt us into countering their nonsense. But sadly for them forum froth is a poor counter for actions in space and high calibre battleship artillery. I might be a lowely pod pilot but i do have intellectual knowledge beyond that which is usfull in a fight. And I believe in psychology this is called projection. Or in other words the act of taking your own unacceptable qualities and projecting them unto others. In other words its time to take your meds.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:51:00 - [514] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/09/2010 13:54:33 Originally by: Archbishop The primary difference is we don't run to IGS and post a 25 page "campaign" thread to stroke our egos. The only reason we get a "25 page" campaign thread is that its one page of us telling the summit what we are going to do (while we get on doing it) and 24 pages of Amarrians desperately attempting to talk us into a defeat that they are incapable of achieving in space. Don't like that conclusion? Do something about it. Because at this stage even a child can see the desperately sad propaganda attempts from the Amarrian nationalist side of the conflict on this thread. People who are "winning" do not spend so much time trying to pick at their enemies on the summit. They undock in space and achieve something physical. Join the Revolution!
Ascentior Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:44:00 - [515] Originally by: Jade Constantine The only reason we get a "25 page" campaign thread is that its one page of us telling the summit what we are going to do (while we get on doing it) and 24 pages of Amarrians desperately attempting to talk us into a defeat that they are incapable of achieving in space. Don't like that conclusion? Do something about it. Because at this stage even a child can see the desperately sad propaganda attempts from the Amarrian nationalist side of the conflict on this thread. People who are "winning" do not spend so much time trying to pick at their enemies on the summit. They undock in space and achieve something physical. Your 'Conclusion' is baseless. In the last week, of The Star Fractions' 23 kills, 2 were Core Impulse. Core Impulse destroyed 195 ships in the same week. So an alliance of 120, can only get 23 kills while a corp of less than 85, can get 195. How are you 'Controlling' them? Your post count on the summit count is "winning" though. As you alone have made no less than 95 posts on this topic (not including the OP), that is nearly 1 in 5 posts. Half of which state "Winners don't talk on IGS, they get in a pod and kill" (paraphrased of course). The irony is not lost on us. The Amarr Empire are Reclaiming our systems, you will not stop this. Core Impulse seem to be playing a major part in this achievement, and your interference goes unnoticed on the battlefield.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:08:00 - [516] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/09/2010 15:09:21 Originally by: Ascentior Your 'Conclusion' is baseless. Which is ironic because thats exactly what we intend for Core Impulse. As for the rest. Typical Amarrian lies utilizing shifty K/D ratio mathematics. What matters is who is camping who in the station. We are mocking you with a Fraction tower in Huola while you spin ships. If you don't like it. Do something about it. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:15:00 - [517] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/09/2010 15:16:00 Originally by: Jade Constantine We are mocking you with a Fraction tower in Huola while you spin ships. And what has your tower in Huola actually achieved? The last time I checked Huola was still under Amarrian occupancy and not even contested. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:47:00 - [518] Congratulations on your tower in Houla, placing a star base in an enemy system is fairley difficult. The defense of which will not be needed. Yes we attacked it at its weakest point (the deployment stage) but as most of those you call "Amarrian Nationals" have learnt over the last year or so, we won't be attacking it. The placement of this tower is not considered a mockery by those at war with the Ftaction (maybe those who have been "crushed"). I am puzzled to see where you have gained this perspective from, you have simpley created a makeshift docking ring in space. One which im sure you will use a great deal in the months to come. And yes maybe the corps who are in open and declared combat, have been sitting in station a fair bit. This has not been of your doing though. If we wish to use the star fraction tactics of docking games we will simply use the towers our corps have installed through out the warzone. I do look forward to the coming months, as player cycles return to optimal. I am sure that The Star Fraction will be having a great number of encounters with Absinthe Brothers. * side note* The use of your Tech1 cruiser fleets is genius i will admit. But when you claim the victory metric of "we forced you to fly sub par ship hull" it makes it look very contradictory. A bit more explanation would of helped the situation and maybe cuased less smackage. After all Absinthe put Tech 2 frigates fleets against the Star Fraction for a number of months with great success.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:32:00 - [519] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/09/2010 16:33:21 Originally by: BattleStar Crusader ber of encounters with Absinthe Brothers. * side note* The use of your Tech1 cruiser fleets is genius i will admit. But when you claim the victory metric of "we forced you to fly sub par ship hull" it makes it look very contradictory. Don't fall into the trap of uncritically believing what PIE Inc. says. I believe Archbishop is refering to the Judas Goat/Daisy-Cutter/Slaughterhouse sequence of wars in the dusty past where we noted that under wardec from the Fraction, PIE Inc. ceased operations with large ships in any number due to the pressure of their enemies (this was well before the inception of faction warfare and the need for frigates in smaller complexes). Faction Warfare was of course a huge boon to PIE because they could simply claim that their use of frigates was tactically appropriate for the warzone (which of course it can be given the limitations on certain complex sizes). Granting that led to our conclusion that PIE was no longer a relevant potential wardec target for us since they clearly preferred to fly support roles to the 24th Crusade non-capsuleer authorities than involve themselves with direct leadership and organization of the capsule militias in frontline combat. This of course hardly explains why PIE feel the need to hoot and bray about other people's wars that scarcely concern them. My point is don't believe what PIE officers say has been said without considering context and routine misdirection employed by these minor forum warriors. Much is said about "claims of victory" ... but I will tell you plainly Battlestar without fear of contradiction. We made no claims of victory in Castrato. We admitted defeat. We have made no claims of victory in Impulse Control - the campaign continues. Any word to the contrary is simply a lie. Join the Revolution!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.20 23:50:00 - [520] Originally by: BattleStar Crusader The use of your Tech1 cruiser fleets is genius i will admit. But when you claim the victory metric of "we forced you to fly sub par ship hull" it makes it look very contradictory. Contradictory = Hypocrisy The Star Fraction creedo... As for Jade's claims about PIE flying battleships during her campaigns I'd just invite you to look at her killboard database. This is a lie she's told in the past and it's been disproven already using her own data. Obviously she's of the "if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it" school. I'd encourage people to investigate anything she claims after all she's spent years creating spin and lies. The truth may require some digging but as we've seen time and time again it's out there and Jade is often nowhere near it. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.21 17:49:00 - [521] Originally by: Archbishop As for Jade's claims about PIE flying battleships during her campaigns I'd just invite you to look at her killboard database. This is a lie she's told in the past and it's been disproven already using her own data. Best way to counter Amarrian lies is for people to read back over the war diaries and be assured the full records of fighting are still listed on our public combat databases as operations "Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse, Daisy Cutter." Eve search for the operation names and use weeks 1-4 war diaries will demonstrate that the PIE Inc. capability to field extensive battleship fleets was comprehensively crushed by the Fraction leading to Archbishop's own doctrine of "don't undock just smack on the forums" being adopted by their pilots henceafter. Here's the opening diary for Judas Goat. enjoy. The tales of epic pounding and face-kicking suffered by Amarrian Nationalism in those old wars will adaquately explain why Archbishop is still so obsessed by the Fraction 4 years later he cannot help by spam-post in a campaign thread in a war he has no stake in or any desire to fight. I almost pity him. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.21 17:57:00 - [522] I particularly enjoyed reading the "statistics" used by SF representatives in your Judas Goat thread Jade. What was you recently said about such stats? Oh yes: Originally by: Jade Constantine shifty K/D ratio mathematics Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.21 18:09:00 - [523] Originally by: Rodj Blake I particularly enjoyed reading the "statistics" used by SF representatives in your Judas Goat thread Jade. What was you recently said about such stats? Oh yes: Originally by: Jade Constantine shifty K/D ratio mathematics If you had either wit or honesty you'd know the difference between a straight count between two rival forces in a direct conflict and the K/D ratio twisting the PIE representatives have always tried to hide their weakness with. But then since you are a deceitful Amarrian in the most deceitful Amarrian nationalist entity of all its a bit of a mockery to use the word "honesty" in the same paragraph as a reply to you. Once again I will point out that PIE Inc. Have absolutely nothing to do with this war, this thread, or the general notion of action in space. You are simply a forum troll. Shut up and go away. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.21 18:13:00 - [524] Originally by: Jade Constantine You are simply a forum troll. If that's what you believe, then I suggest you report me as such. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.09.21 19:19:00 - [525] Err, that was in 2007, you were bleating about how SF is forcing Amarr militia into flying worthless T1 cruiser hulls late last year, if you going to try and bring up some proof at least make it relavent. Fact is you are now flying the worthless T1 cruisers now, without the valid excuse of being forced into them for the factional warfare miltary comlex's that need capturing or defending. You really do need to take a bit of time to sort out the sorry excuse of an alliance as well btw, lost half it's membership since the middle of the year, quite a victory for the Amarr ........
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.21 20:20:00 - [526] Originally by: lucifers widow Fact is you are now flying the worthless T1 cruisers now, without the valid excuse of being forced into them for the factional warfare miltary comlex's that need capturing or defending. If you were active in the warzone you would know how ridiculous that statement was. But as a cowardly posting-proxy for one of our enemies without the guts to show their true identity I imagine I shouldn't be too surprised. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.21 21:03:00 - [527] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/09/2010 21:05:47 Originally by: Jade Constantine But as a cowardly posting-proxy for one of our enemies I look forward to seeing you provide the evidence for that. You won't of course, despite requiring evidence to be presented when you yourself were recently accused of using a posting-proxy. I love the smell of Constantinian hypocrisy in the morning. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.09.21 21:49:00 - [528] Originally by: Jade Constantine But as a cowardly posting-proxy Oh dear Connie, you think people have that short a memory !!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.22 01:04:00 - [529] Originally by: Jade Constantine Best way to counter Amarrian lies is for people to read back over the war diaries and be assured the full records of fighting are still listed on our public combat databases as operations "Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse, Daisy Cutter." Oh yes Jade... your war diaries are so accurate and impartial... Thank you for the laugh. In the meanwhile I will just encourage people to look at the statistics from your own kill database. War diaries are spin... statistics are fact. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Darveses Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 06:17:00 - [530] Originally by: lucifers widow Fact is you are now flying the worthless T1 cruisers now. (snipped BS, or most of it, at least) Yes, we fly cheap T1 cruisers. Yes, we fly battleships. Yes, we fly T2 hulls. Your point?
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 07:20:00 - [531] Oohh.. Clergyman, you as a religous orater, accusing us and Jade in particular of lieing, got to be the hypocracy of the century. Since religon is nothing more than lies and deciet to controle the masses. Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 14:51:00 - [532] Originally by: Archbishop Oh yes Jade... your war diaries are so accurate and impartial... They are entirely accurate and can be cross-referenced directly with the public kill database. For example where you claimed a couple of posts above that PIE never flew battleships before we crushed you its possible for the read to check our campaign diary and the public kill database to show precisely how many battleships you flew in the first week of that old campaign. You yourself lost a battleship in that action that I presume you have conveniently forgotten about. We keep accurate records. It makes revealing a lying snake that much easier. You are humiliating yourself here. And do stop your officer's using the "lucifers widow" identity. Its getting embarrassing to watch you. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.22 14:56:00 - [533] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/09/2010 14:56:57 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Archbishop Oh yes Jade... your war diaries are so accurate and impartial... They are entirely accurate and can be cross-referenced directly with the public kill database. That's a change of tone from just a couple of days ago when you were complaining about loyalists "utilizing shifty K/D ratio mathematics" Apparently it's different when it's SF listing what they've killed and lost though! Quote: And do stop your officer's using the "lucifers widow" identity. To paraphrase what I said earlier, care to provide some evidence for that? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Darveses Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 16:43:00 - [534] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/09/2010 15:21:44 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/09/2010 14:56:57 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Archbishop Oh yes Jade... your war diaries are so accurate and impartial... They are entirely accurate and can be cross-referenced directly with the public kill database. That's a change of tone from just a couple of days ago when you were complaining about loyalists "utilizing shifty K/D ratio mathematics." Apparently it's different when it's SF listing what they've killed and lost though! I actually had a really hard time figuring out wether or not this crap is worth responding to. Made up my mind now though - have a good day sir.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 18:15:00 - [535] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's a change of tone from just a couple of days ago when you were complaining about loyalists "utilizing shifty K/D ratio mathematics." Apparently it's different when it's SF listing what they've killed and lost though! The only difference is we don't lie about it. You do. Stop trolling. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.22 18:26:00 - [536] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake That's a change of tone from just a couple of days ago when you were complaining about loyalists "utilizing shifty K/D ratio mathematics." Apparently it's different when it's SF listing what they've killed and lost though! The only difference is we don't lie about it. You do. Please provide evidence. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2010.09.22 18:46:00 - [537] The tail of this communication has been cleaned. We would like to remind you to please stay on topic and post in a constructive matter. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 19:18:00 - [538] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/09/2010 19:19:37 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist The tail of this communication has been cleaned. We would like to remind you to please stay on topic and post in a constructive matter. Thank you CCP Zymurgist. I'd like to remind commentators on this thread that it is a campaign thread to discuss matters pertaining to the in-space war between The Star Fraction alliance and our enemies in Core Impulse corporation and their 24th Crusade allies who have wardecced us in support of the Amarrian cause. This is a thread specifically for those who are actively fighting their enemies in space. As such we welcome commentary and respectful discussion from those involved in the war. And we suggest that those uninvolved should take their responses somewhere else. There are many threads available elsewhere for nitpicking and irrelevant nonsense. To our enemies - please stop posting with cloaked identities and random proxies. It simply devalues the climate of the summit for all concerned. Join the Revolution!
Muad 'dib Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.22 19:37:00 - [539] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is a thread specifically for those who are actively fighting their enemies in space. As such we welcome commentary and respectful discussion from those involved in the war. And we suggest that those uninvolved should take their responses somewhere else. There are many threads available elsewhere for nitpicking and irrelevant nonsense. you just described 90% of your posts. ok so "zomg he DID NOT just say that" quoting aside..... I will say this about the war in these past day(s): It was a welcome sight to see many SF pilots active in houla, the first and only real attempt to try to control us since this war began so many weeks ago i cannot remember. Im slightly sad due the tactic you used, the sniping ships undocking with 5~ tempests, but i commend the effort none the less. I look forward to locking horns in a manly fight of honor and respect, we have given you so many opertunitys to stage a good fight, lets hope one soon meets expectations. Core Impulse likes good fights, we take ganks in our stride as anyone would when an opertunity is available, even a loss can be enjoyable. I really do hope we can fight a good, long and vaugly evenly matched fight (perhaps many) and end this war in a way that both sides and external onlookers will agree was a worthy effort for a campain and worthy of an epic 19 page IGS postfest See you all out there with high expectations, Muad 'dib
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:03:00 - [540] Originally by: Jade Constantine To our enemies - please stop posting with cloaked identities and random proxies. It simply devalues the climate of the summit for all concerned. Please provide evidence that this is actually happening. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:13:00 - [541] Originally by: Muad 'dib It was a welcome sight to see many SF pilots active in houla, the first and only real attempt to try to control us since this war began so many weeks ago i cannot remember. I think we had very polarized activity levels over the summer with many free captains being planetside and matters are only now returning to their natural balanace. On top of that our initial thought was to use Kamela as an HQ to raid against Huola but it didn't really work out hence our decision to move wholesale into the 24th Crusade HQ system and present a more direct threat to our enemies. Quote: Im slightly sad due the tactic you used, the sniping ships undocking with 5~ tempests, but i commend the effort none the less. As always we try a range of tactics depending on the situation and balance of numbers in the warzone. I imagine we both dislike dock games and we've simply tried to evolve a method of killing "dock-gaming" pilots with zero prior warning. Five tempests is nice, twenty is better, suffice to say we are still equipping, recruiting and trying to up our capability in these actions. Quote: I look forward to locking horns in a manly fight of honor and respect, we have given you so many opertunitys to stage a good fight, lets hope one soon meets expectations. Core Impulse likes good fights, we take ganks in our stride as anyone would when an opertunity is available, even a loss can be enjoyable. To be fair, we have been the ones committing to unwise battleship engagements over the summer to this point and have generally suffered total loss every time we tried to grapple with the Core/24th hybrid fleets while decisively outnumbered. Now the onus is on our forces to fight smart and convince you to fight outside your comfort zone. Rest assured, we will take you bait if you keep offering it - when that happens lets hope the conflict is glorious. Still I will agree with you. The war to this point has been nothing but an opening skirmish. Lets look forward to the main course. And once again I'd ask those uninvolved pilots addicted to sniping from the sidelines - just don't. If you want to post in this thread ask your CEO's to declare war and earn a place in the discussion. Otherwise you are welcome to post respectfully - but I think its time for a zero tolerance approach to 3rd party smack from unattributed proxies. Join the Revolution!
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:37:00 - [542] There is only one good fight. That is the fight for free space! One ruthless gank at a time.... *ChipMo chuckles to himself and fades to darkness. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Aldrith Shutaq Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.09.23 05:13:00 - [543] This is quite the pool of drool you've collected here, Jade. It would usually be beneath me to add to it, but I feel the need to tell you something. As I am sure you have noticed your war with the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown has been made mutual. This will remain until either you surrender, or one of us ceases to exist. If it had not been for the ridiculous cost of declaring war upon you ourselves we'd be in this state long ago. Well, you cannot hide behind that any longer, and you are not going to slip away from us at your pleasure to prey upon the next corporation while CONCORD protects you from the rest of my comrades. We shall stand against you and your empty philosophies rooted in egoism and selfishness for the rest of our supposed-eternal lives. If that is what it takes to keep you away from our brethren, then so be it, and even if you still have the gall to the bribe the law to chase still more of us, then we will always stand alongside them. I detest violence, Ms. Constantine, but I detest The Star Fraction and what it stands for far more. I can only be thankful that there can be no doubt this fight is a just one. I have learned that it is hard to see the truth sometimes in this confusing mess we call New Eden. Black and white have been blurred for me since I became a capsuleer. Yes, I know our world is gray Ms. Constantine, but I know for certain you make it blacker every day.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.23 05:18:00 - [544] Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq As I am sure you have noticed your war with the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown has been made mutual. This will remain until either you surrender, or one of us ceases to exist. Good. Join the Revolution!
Punx Evangeline Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.09.23 11:53:00 - [545] Edited by: Punx Evangeline on 23/09/2010 11:53:17 Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq ...your war with the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown has been made mutual. Hooray! Now if only all of our enemies were as brave as ya'll... -Evangeline _________________________ Compared to mine, what is your crime?
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.23 14:16:00 - [546] Originally by: Punx Evangeline Edited by: Punx Evangeline on 23/09/2010 11:53:17 Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq ...your war with the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown has been made mutual. Hooray! Now if only all of our enemies were as brave as ya'll... -Evangeline We're all about you spending money ;)
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.05 18:19:00 - [547] Operation Impulse Control Terminated *Communique Begins* On YC112.10.03, Core Impulse corporation joined the Nihilists Social Club alliance, having formally left the 24th Imperial Crusade militia. The Star Fraction monitored Core Impulse ship movements, notably capital assets, and was informed of the intention of Core Impulse to move its operations away from the immediate Amarr-Minmatar warzone. After two days, the Star Fraction is satisfied that it is unnecessary to maintain a sanctioned war against the alliance Core Impulse has joined (itself a pre-existing hostile entity) and which inherited the war in the normal manner. Therefore, as of this communique, the Star Fraction has withdrawn the war declaration and terminated Operation Impulse Control. The departure of Core Impulse from the 24th Imperial Crusade is most of all a victory for the fighters of the Minmatar militia who had fought them long and hard for many, many months. The Star Fraction was pleased to play a role in support of our friends in the Minmatar militia at their request. We consider the operation to have concluded without any decisive tilt in favour of either ourselves or Core Impulse. Nonetheless, they have left and we remain. The Star Fraction continues combat operations within the warzone and will begin a new phase against the imperialist foe with an adjusted focus supporting all those fighting for true freedom in the warzone. A further announcement will be made in due time. *Communique Ends* ~ We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the universe. There is not the slightest doubt about that. The imperialists might blast and ruin their own world before they leave the stage of history. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute. ~ The Star Fraction Communications Portal

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