Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller

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The first time someone gets ganked with a plex in the cargohold I want to see the killmail, and the impending forum thread of RRRRAAAAGGE and QQ.

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Originally by: siC0 b0b

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Edited by: siC0 b0b on 09/07/2010 16:28:00
Suprising how much an item, that's worth mere 300 milion ISK is suddenly pursuded as worthwhile to quit the game over.

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Originally by: Devil tiger

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Edited by: Devil tiger on 09/07/2010 16:21:21

Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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Which is what they deserve for being dumb as a brick by moving them in-game instead of redeeming them at location and thus avoiding any and all chances of being a victim of space piracy.

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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Originally by: Aqriue

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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No, it will a complete debacle on the end of CCP.

"Hello, XYZ Bank. How may I help you?"
"Hi. I noticed I have a suspicious charge on my account."
"Which one would that be?"
"The one marked CCP. Its over seas."
"Did you iniate that transaction?"
"No. I would like that charged stopped."
"Yes, we will look into it."

Making PLEXs destroyable and transportable is beyond stupid on the part of CCP. If I pay close to $40 USD after tax to the company, I expect to get the value of those PLEX and not loose it to some gank, **** off to any stupid concept of "Its a harsh universe." just because I grabbed it by mistake while loading junk with a ****ty UI interface provided by CCP. If by this statement; "If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration" there are currently to many PLEX and CCP wants to remove them, Then stop selling them for a time and change the PLEX offer to a three month subscription link for $10 USD more which has more value then pixelated decimal points. Watching real life cash get vaporized in a game is simply stupid, there will be subscriptions canceled by players and CCP will be eating sour words of "Yeah, we f***** up. Big Time."

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Originally by: Aqriue

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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No, it will a complete debacle on the end of CCP.

"Hello, XYZ Bank. How may I help you?"
"Hi. I noticed I have a suspicious charge on my account."
"Which one would that be?"
"The one marked CCP. Its over seas."
"Did you iniate that transaction?"
"No. I would like that charged stopped."
"Yes, we will look into it."

Making PLEXs destroyable and transportable is beyond stupid on the part of CCP. If I pay close to $40 USD after tax to the company, I expect to get the value of those PLEX and not loose it to some gank, **** off to any stupid concept of "Its a harsh universe." just because I grabbed it by mistake while loading junk with a ****ty UI interface provided by CCP. If by this statement; "If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration" there are currently to many PLEX and CCP wants to remove them, Then stop selling them for a time and change the PLEX offer to a three month subscription link for $10 USD more which has more value then pixelated decimal points. Watching real life cash get vaporized in a game is simply stupid, there will be subscriptions canceled by players and CCP will be eating sour words of "Yeah, we f***** up. Big Time."

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Originally by: Aqriue

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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No, it will a complete debacle on the end of CCP.

"Hello, XYZ Bank. How may I help you?"
"Hi. I noticed I have a suspicious charge on my account."
"Which one would that be?"
"The one marked CCP. Its over seas."
"Did you iniate that transaction?"
"No. I would like that charged stopped."
"Yes, we will look into it."

Making PLEXs destroyable and transportable is beyond stupid on the part of CCP. If I pay close to $40 USD after tax to the company, I expect to get the value of those PLEX and not loose it to some gank, **** off to any stupid concept of "Its a harsh universe." just because I grabbed it by mistake while loading junk with a ****ty UI interface provided by CCP. If by this statement; "If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration" there are currently to many PLEX and CCP wants to remove them, Then stop selling them for a time and change the PLEX offer to a three month subscription link for $10 USD more which has more value then pixelated decimal points. Watching real life cash get vaporized in a game is simply stupid, there will be subscriptions canceled by players and CCP will be eating sour words of "Yeah, we f***** up. Big Time."

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Originally by: Aqriue

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You fail.

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Originally by: Isolationist Cypher

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Just a heads up to those of you unable to comprehend this part....You are not *required* to transport a plex anywhere. If you don't want to risk it then go to the station you want to sell it at, and redeem it there. Vice versa, if you want to buy a plex for an alt....move the alt to the station, just like you always have. Nothing changes unless you want it to, the prices perhaps, but not your level of risk unless you CHOOSE to increase it.

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Originally by: Aqriue

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")

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No, it will a complete debacle on the end of CCP.

"Hello, XYZ Bank. How may I help you?"
"Hi. I noticed I have a suspicious charge on my account."
"Which one would that be?"
"The one marked CCP. Its over seas."
"Did you iniate that transaction?"
"No. I would like that charged stopped."
"Yes, we will look into it."

Making PLEXs destroyable and transportable is beyond stupid on the part of CCP. If I pay close to $40 USD after tax to the company, I expect to get the value of those PLEX and not loose it to some gank, **** off to any stupid concept of "Its a harsh universe." just because I grabbed it by mistake while loading junk with a ****ty UI interface provided by CCP. If by this statement; "If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration" there are currently to many PLEX and CCP wants to remove them, Then stop selling them for a time and change the PLEX offer to a three month subscription link for $10 USD more which has more value then pixelated decimal points. Watching real life cash get vaporized in a game is simply stupid, there will be subscriptions canceled by players and CCP will be eating sour words of "Yeah, we f***** up. Big Time."

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.

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Originally by: Lance Fighter

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i dont get it. People lose ships worth 300m very often.

Why do people not QQ over those losses as much? I mean, sure, 'first' t3 loss or similar, but honestly, when you all the sudden assume a real life money value on an item, it becomes worth crying over?


my pilgrim, worth about 6 usd died last night. I then spent another 5 or 6usd on a replacement. I regularly undock in my abaddon, currently worth about 10 usd in faction fittings to run missions. I often station camp in my archon, and current prices place that at around 40 dollars. 50 DOLLARS. SRSLY.

Remind me again why people rage over plex?

(note, all numbers pulled more or less out of my ass, assuming about 100m isk = 5 dollars. )

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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Originally by: Lance Fighter

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i dont get it. People lose ships worth 300m very often.

Why do people not QQ over those losses as much? I mean, sure, 'first' t3 loss or similar, but honestly, when you all the sudden assume a real life money value on an item, it becomes worth crying over?


my pilgrim, worth about 6 usd died last night. I then spent another 5 or 6usd on a replacement. I regularly undock in my abaddon, currently worth about 10 usd in faction fittings to run missions. I often station camp in my archon, and current prices place that at around 40 dollars. 50 DOLLARS. SRSLY.

Remind me again why people rage over plex?

(note, all numbers pulled more or less out of my ass, assuming about 100m isk = 5 dollars. )

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Ships cannot be used for actual play time. PLEXes can. And that's the difference.

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You may not violate any local, state, national or international laws or regulations.

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Originally by: Melkath Bandrom

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This is wrong IMHO, This allows another player to directly STEAL my CASH PAID FOR item if i should chose to purchase a plex with cash. I'm sorry but CCP has absolutely no right to allow another gamer to directly affect/steal my RL money that I spent on a PLEX. I would even propose that IF a plex is dropped, To take it or destroy it might possibly a violation of the EULA. Specifically the subject of THEFT, even though it happens in game, As it affects an item purchased with Real Life cash, it may be subject to the terms in

http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Specifically rule #7

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You may not violate any local, state, national or international laws or regulations.

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Destruction/theft of property in most states and most of the civilized world is considered a violation of law. In most states, I do believe there is a legal distinction between virtual and physical item possession, however the same laws apply concerning the destruction/theft of items virtual or physical.

Since cash was paid for said item, any sort of claims that "it is just a game" do not apply

Since a PLEX is purchased in a lot of cases with CASH, the allowance of CCP games to allow the theft and/or destruction of property paid for with CASH opens them to litigation in most western countries that follow similar legal structures.

In Short, CCP allows a game mechanic that can financially damage me in the case of destroyed/stolen items that were purchased with cash.

This rule definitely conflicts with the rest of the game because the destruction of other property in the game is NOT PURCHASED with RL money. I pay $15 a month but I don't lose my game time if someone blows up my ship and it drops a bunch of modules. With the new change in rules I would lose that $15 with the destruction/theft of the plex.

This is UNACCEPTABLE

I can see this change of rules being allowed with PLEX being purchased with ingame isk but not PLEX being purchased with CASH

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Originally by: Ori Blake

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Originally by: Isolationist Cypher

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Just a heads up to those of you unable to comprehend this part....You are not *required* to transport a plex anywhere. If you don't want to risk it then go to the station you want to sell it at, and redeem it there. Vice versa, if you want to buy a plex for an alt....move the alt to the station, just like you always have. Nothing changes unless you want it to, the prices perhaps, but not your level of risk unless you CHOOSE to increase it.

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Is there any good reason to do so though? To actually move it as opposed to just redeem it in the station you want to sell in?

I'm not sure why they would change it. It's not like any other item, CCP: no other item lets you pay your monthly sub fees with it.

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