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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Cap II
Tell me, is it painful to be this stupid? Because if it isn't, it should be.
Well its obvious that you disagree with my statements, but maybe you could elaborate a bit more on why you think I am stupid, so I can learn from your greatness.
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Cap II
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:08:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Elgaris Dukor
Originally by: Cap II
Tell me, is it painful to be this stupid? Because if it isn't, it should be.
Well its obvious that you disagree with my statements, but maybe you could elaborate a bit more on why you think I am stupid, so I can learn from your greatness.
Mostly because you fail to grasp the most basic concepts of market even after having your statement changed from plex to ships and still failing to grasp that your argument could be made for any and every in game item. Therefore I can only conclude that you are stupid. I hope that you have learned from my greatness.
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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 09/07/2010 23:15:59
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto
so because i can turn a plex into gametime it is special even if i dont do so?
if so i can turn 300mil into a plex, into gametime, so 300mil is special,
if so i can turn a Carrier into 600mil isk into plex into gametime so a carrier is special
once you equate a thing with an isk cost to being special all things that can be converted into said isk and the isk itself must be special by extension,
you treat a plex as a potential energy of time, and that temporal potential as being special, thus all things must be special because all things are a potential of time,
I say just because two things do have the same value doenst mean they are equal. As long as the PLEX stays intact there is indeed no difference but as soon as the PLEX gets destroys there is one.
It makes a difference if a PLEX or a 300m module gets destroyed. That is what i say. I explained the reasons some posts above.
Elgaris.
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Ezurion
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:17:00 -
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There are some incredibly stupid people posting in this thread.
Yes, it does suit CCP to make this change. Some of these items will inevitably be destroyed for one reason or another, but it will always be down to the owner taking a risk.
I don't see it as a particularly necessary change, although I understand why it's being done.
There really is no need to go mental over this change, it's not going to affect your PLEX purchasing/usage if you don't want it to.
Stop overreacting and take a few minutes to consider this change logically. |
Cap II
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cap II on 09/07/2010 23:19:57
Originally by: Elgaris Dukor
Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 09/07/2010 23:15:59
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto
so because i can turn a plex into gametime it is special even if i dont do so?
if so i can turn 300mil into a plex, into gametime, so 300mil is special,
if so i can turn a Carrier into 600mil isk into plex into gametime so a carrier is special
once you equate a thing with an isk cost to being special all things that can be converted into said isk and the isk itself must be special by extension,
you treat a plex as a potential energy of time, and that temporal potential as being special, thus all things must be special because all things are a potential of time,
I say just because two things do have the same value doenst mean they are equal. As long as the PLEX stays intact there is indeed no difference but as soon as the PLEX gets destroys there is one.
It makes a difference if a PLEX or a 300m module gets destroyed. That is what i say. I explained the reasons some posts above.
Elgaris.
Just because you explained your reasons for something doesn't make it any more true. Your argument boils down to "they have the same value but are not equal." This is where you make it obvious that Econ 101 is over your head. I would encourage you to educate yourself on the concept of Opportunity Cost as has been mentioned several times now.
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:20:00 -
[126]
but a plex IS NOT game time, it is the potential to get game time, it in and of itself is not the game time merely a trade able commodity that can be exchanged for time, thus it is the same as the module or cash which i could exchange for plex then exchange for time,
if the plex is destroyed Time is not lost or destroyed merely an object that allows the use of some time is lost,
Me? im just sitting here,
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John Ellsworth
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:20:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Now this will be fun, Jita is going to go through the roof, and expect about 500% more emo rage quit posts ("Someone ganked me with 3 PLEXes in Cargo")
No, it will a complete debacle on the end of CCP.
"Hello, XYZ Bank. How may I help you?"
"Hi. I noticed I have a suspicious charge on my account."
"Which one would that be?"
"The one marked CCP. Its over seas."
"Did you iniate that transaction?"
"No. I would like that charged stopped."
"Yes, we will look into it."
Making PLEXs destroyable and transportable is beyond stupid on the part of CCP. If I pay close to $40 USD after tax to the company, I expect to get the value of those PLEX and not loose it to some gank, **** off to any stupid concept of "Its a harsh universe." just because I grabbed it by mistake while loading junk with a ****ty UI interface provided by CCP. If by this statement; "If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration" there are currently to many PLEX and CCP wants to remove them, Then stop selling them for a time and change the PLEX offer to a three month subscription link for $10 USD more which has more value then pixelated decimal points. Watching real life cash get vaporized in a game is simply stupid, there will be subscriptions canceled by players and CCP will be eating sour words of "Yeah, we f***** up. Big Time."
Nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.
Yes I have to say if you do undock with plex in your cargo-hold you deserve to be ganked and loose it..
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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto
but a plex IS NOT game time, it is the potential to get game time, it in and of itself is not the game time merely a trade able commodity that can be exchanged for time, thus it is the same as the module or cash which i could exchange for plex then exchange for time
Well ok. Than thats the point where we disagree. I dont think a line can be drawn there. But thats just my opinion.
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Bilko Bobski
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:30:00 -
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I personally think it's a great change, but to those who seem to think that PLEX is in one way or another different to other items; think of it this way:
-If you lost a module that could have been refined for 10,000 magacyte, or sold for it's value - would you feel any different to losing 10,000 pure megacyte? No, because they both equate to the same amount of ISK and the same loss.
-If you lost an item that you bought for $15, and could have sold for 350Million ISK - why should you feel any different to losing a ship that was worth 350Million ISK; and therefore was equal to $15 that you could have saved on next month's subscription?
Thinking of PLEX differently because you bought it directly with RL money is silly - if you're counting the $15 dollars as 350M ISK, then every 350M ISK should also feel like a loss of $15. If you don't agree, you've already failed at basic EVE economics - quit now.
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:32:00 -
[130]
your argument would be valid if ccp only made a limited volume of plex available in a specific time frame, ie if only 100 plex a day could ever be sold then each one destroyed would equal an actual loss of time, as time that couldnt be recovered would be depleted, BUT if plex sales are unlimited then time is not destroyed merely a medium of accessing said time, my router is not the internet but its my way of accessing it, if my router is destroyed the internet is not destroyed merely my way of accessing it,
and to the person who suggests telling the bank that they didnt initiate the money transfer to ccp to get their money back,,, when ccp protests and shows the logs of you authorising the transaction your bank takes you to court for fraud, as if you really did initiate the transaction, lying to get your money back is fraud
Me? im just sitting here,
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LifeshifterX
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:28:00 -
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I think its pretty interesting they are doing it but hell if you just stick with how they've been used bough and traded only in the station you got them from and if you just use them like your supposed to then there isn't much to worry about, I don't know why anyone would fly around with them in the cargo anyways haha
No biggie to me short n sweet, people need to stop emoraging about it. It aint that big of a deal
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:29:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 09/07/2010 17:50:48
You guys are a bunch of short-sighted whiners.
Check it out. You have a PLEX you want to sell. You want to sell it in X station. Instead of putting it in your cargo, LEAVE IT IN YOUR REDEEM ITEMS BOX (or convert it there or whatever) and then once you arrive to the destination get it out. Easy peasy.
Hey Siig, talking of redeem items boxes, still waiting on that 2 bil to show up in mine.
I know a few guys waiting for a wallet blinky from Siig as well. =P
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.10 04:20:00 -
[133]
I have to point this out.
Just because it is against the EULA to trade ISK does not mean it is worthless, it means it is against the rules to trade it.
One of the most "eve famous" people has an add right on their website that sells and buys isk.
It is also illegal to buy and sell *******, but if you think ******* has no value because of this we can all get a good laugh.
I do not endorse or condone the violation of the EULA or rules of conduct in any way shape or form.
But again, to deny that ISK has value is a ridiculous notion.
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Diggs Lonewalker
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:34:00 -
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While I don't see much point in this other than some marginal trading issues, I think that CCP should add the contraband tag to this item (with no penalty) so that players can be warned should they accidentally load a PLEX in to their ship.
Now if I could find one as a loot drop or a scanned site loot item.. well then...
-Diggs
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