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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:34:00 -
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Just a quick status update about the Meeting Minutes:
2 July: CCP sent initial draft of the Minutes to CSM 4 July: CSM sent a substantially revised and expanded draft to CCP 9 July: CCP returned the draft with mostly minor edits
CSM is now collaborating to make final (very minor) edits (with one or two clarification questions) and will submit a "CSM approved to publish" version nlt Sunday. I believe that CCP intends to publish the Minutes as early as possible next week. With any luck, that will be on Monday.
Some people question why this process takes so much time. I will point out that it is a 28 page document, that 9 CSMs plus CCP are contributing feedback to make sure it is right, and we all have jobs and other RL obligations that prevent us from spending every waking moment on this particular task.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:42:00 -
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Excellent service.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
Some people question why this process takes so much time. I will point out that it is a 28 page document, that 9 CSMs plus CCP are contributing feedback to make sure it is right, and we all have jobs and other RL obligations that prevent us from spending every waking moment on this particular task.
We understand that, but updates like this are realy useful. ppl don't mind waiting that much if they have an indication of when they are going to get what they want.
But ofcourse, you as CSM members know that already and will do your best to keep your public informed as much as possible
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Andrew Riviera
Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:01:00 -
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Many thanks for the feedback. Few things irritate me as much as the impression of being ignored, and thus updates like this are much appreciated. Now if only we could dispel that impression with regards to Ankh...
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:22:00 -
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Thanks for keeping the communication alive, Mynxee. :) |
Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:54:00 -
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That's actually amazingly fast. Not so much because its 28 pages, but because you have to circulate it to so many people. Nice job csm.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2010.07.11 06:29:00 -
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Thanks for the update. Looking forward to reading it and seeing how many of the 28 pages are CCP trying to justify Dominion has not horrible messed up everything it tried to do.
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Zemkhoff
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Posted - 2010.07.11 15:38:00 -
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http://www.theonlinerant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dilbert-status-report.gif
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:38:00 -
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Update in the OP, CSM edits to the Minutes are complete; ball is in CCP's court.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee Update in the OP, CSM edits to the Minutes are complete; ball is in CCP's court.
Nice. <3 <3 Glad I voted for you and Sok. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
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Loi Shaini
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.07.12 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain That's actually amazingly fast. Not so much because its 28 pages, but because you have to circulate it to so many people. Nice job csm.
Fait accompli's usually are handled quickly
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:05:00 -
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Minutes are now available http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_23-25_06_2010.pdf
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:38:00 -
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TL;DR = We are going to keep shoving our half finished and unneeded features down your throat for at least a year and a half longer before we even consider fixing all our broken poo poo and non-functional core gameplay.
Hope that helps.
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T'Amber
www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:45:00 -
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nice work team.
[SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 12/07/2010 16:53:47 TL;DR = We are going to keep shoving our half finished and unneeded features down your throat for at least a year and a half longer before we even consider fixing all our broken poo poo and non-functional core gameplay.
Hope that helps.
Edit: My hat is off to the CSM team for their hard hard work against these odds though. For this I salute you. o7
"Lag will always be an issue however EVE, but EVE is now, from a technical standpoint, in a better state than it has ever been."
If it weren't so sad, I'd laugh.
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Valtis Thermalion
Caldari Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:11:00 -
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-It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.
-CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features.
This makes me sad.
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Sol Mahon
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:19:00 -
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First time reading the CSM minutes, lost all faith in the entire process, CCP get the CSM to do more than the CSM get CCP to do, Didn't realise it worked the wrong way round.
The next 18 months of CCP's schedule are already accounted for before the CSM even gets to Iceland, and all of this time is CCP doing what "they" want to do... What's the point of the CSM except to give inside information to CCP? |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 12/07/2010 16:53:47 TL;DR = We are going to keep shoving our half finished and unneeded features down your throat for at least a year and a half longer before we even consider fixing all our broken poo poo and non-functional core gameplay.
Hope that helps.
Edit: My hat is off to the CSM team for their hard hard work against these odds though. For this I salute you. o7
"Lag will always be an issue however EVE, but EVE is now, from a technical standpoint, in a better state than it has ever been."
If it weren't so sad, I'd laugh.
Yeah. There were some positives in there, I mean some stuff that was good and encouraging, but what the ****, Oveur, this is supposed to be the game that you love. EVE is supposed to be the game that you guys created because it's what you wanted to play? What the **** are you thinking?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Cortante
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:38:00 -
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As usual, the minutes show that the CSM did not present one issue to improve the game and rather presented a series of whines about the state of content. I feel bad for CCP having to listen to these people complain, complain and complain without presenting anything constructive.
Glad to see the minutes show that CCP is giving the due attention to the CSM that it deserves: Zero.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:40:00 -
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Thanks for posting <3 ---
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cortante As usual, the minutes show that the CSM did not present one issue to improve the game and rather presented a series of whines about the state of content. I feel bad for CCP having to listen to these people complain, complain and complain without presenting anything constructive.
Glad to see the minutes show that CCP is giving the due attention to the CSM that it deserves: Zero.
sekrit ccp alt detected.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cortante As usual, the minutes show that the CSM did not present one issue to improve the game and rather presented a series of whines about the state of content. I feel bad for CCP having to listen to these people complain, complain and complain without presenting anything constructive.
Glad to see the minutes show that CCP is giving the due attention to the CSM that it deserves: Zero.
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I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Lornnar
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Posted - 2010.07.12 18:34:00 -
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"CSM remained unconvinced of CCPs commitment to excellence, even after Nathan's arguments were heard. CCP disagreed strongly with the claim that it isnÆt committed to excellence and feels that the resources being used to constantly improve Eve Online are a clear sign of this commitment."
"The CSM suggested a dedicated öpolish teamô to be established, with players being informed as to what they intend to work on during each expansion. CCP¦s answer to that is that there will be no polish patrol team for the next 2-3 expansions even though players feel there should be."
but they put as much ressources into EVE atm, ok^^
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.12 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 12/07/2010 16:53:47 TL;DR = We are going to keep shoving our half finished and unneeded features down your throat for at least a year and a half longer before we even consider fixing all our broken poo poo and non-functional core gameplay.
That¦s basicly what I got out of it yeah.
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:09:00 -
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As I read through these minutes, I see alot of hard work and good ideas.
Lets give this CSM the time it needs to start pushing change forward. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Delilah friendsofeve.wordpress.com
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Delilah Wild As I read through these minutes, I see alot of hard work and good ideas.
Lets give this CSM the time it needs to start pushing change forward. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Delilah friendsofeve.wordpress.com
If these minutes did not make it abundantly clear that there is no "pushing" to be had, you are seriously delusional.
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Dakisha
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:14:00 -
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And here is what is wrong with the CSM:
Originally by: CSM Minutes
CCP responded that things do take time and although it might not look like it, CSM items in the backlog do get addressed and result in changes to the game when the timing is right related to development planning and resource availability
When it happens to fit nicely in to whatever you're currently doing.. As opposed to realising that these are the biggest issues that the players of eve have managed to get the CSM to bring up, and put dedicated resources on the job.
This is also why the CSM will continue to fail to gain the full support/trust of the playerbase. They were hobbled from the outset.
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Dzajic
Gallente Level Up
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:18:00 -
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This is a disaster, I wouldn't expect ActiBlizz to act that foolish. We need a mother of all thrednaughts in GD.
CCP said that they won't fix/improve anything relating to LowSec, Faction Warfare and 0.0 for next year and a half at least. Nor will there be time to fix many minor bugs and issues nor for any improvements to UI.
Only thing to expect in next 18 months is minor tweaks to PI, and maybe something called "combat expansion" that if I understood correctly, isn't a major UI change but just improvements to combat notifications and stuff.
Everything that CSM pointed out is a critical issue has been completely ignored by CCP or brushed off with "not in next 18 months".
We need a mother of all trednaughts in GD and entire CSM resigning unanimously.
OK, Dust is separate game (even though it has taken critical amount of resources form EVE) and CCP invested a lot and will be ****ed if they don't get it out and recover at least some of money invested in it. They won't make money on it, console shooter market is oversaturated by AAA titles of big publishers that have marketing budgets higher then CCPs yearly totals. But still, maybe CCP will sell enough boxes to recover some of money spent on it.
But Incarna is for us, the EVE players, and no one really cared about it ever. It was a nice gimmick promised for distant future. Does anyone understand how insane does "nothing will be fixed or improved for at least next 18 months" sond?
CSM was supposed to be voice of players to CCP, CCP completely ignored it, what are we left with? :(
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Dakisha
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic lots of good stuff
Dust, a game PC owners wont even be able to play - and walking in stations, something players stopped giving a **** about years ago - are both taking all the dev time away from the real game.
Thus leaving CCP with no dev time to put into real issues affecting here and now.
Unfortunately CCP have their heads up their asses on this one and I don't see this changing. They've effectively commited to abandoning eve for the next 1 1/2 to 2 years because they've got so much tied up with dust/incarna - that much was made clear in the minutes..
They seem to think we can be won over with shinys - and to a degree, it is unfortunately true. Dust is just a shiny we're not going to have access to, so they seem to have forgotten that we're not going to be too happy that all the devs are ****ing around with that instead.
Do CCP really think we want WIS over fixing any one of the major issues they made vauge promises over in the csm? Try fixing what the players raise as issues instead of giving us half assed mini games (which is all incarna will be for a long time).
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:51:00 -
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Just for the sake of irony, I have lifted the following from the company page:
Quote: ABOUT US
CCP was founded in the summer of 1997 with the goal of becoming a leading massively multiplayer game company. With the launch of EVE Online in May 2003, CCP has established itself as one of the leading companies in the field, winning numerous awards and receiving critical acclaim worldwide.
CCP is dedicated to the development of cutting edge massively multiplayer games. CCP is founded on the principle of pushing the envelope and breaking new grounds on all levels. CCP is not about making copycat products with compromised quality. CCP is about making dreams become a reality.
Massively multiplayer games are virtual realities. They are about creating experiences unattainable in any other form of media. A virtual reality is about true human interaction and true human emotions in a living and evolving world. It is CCP's belief that massively multiplayer games are the biggest revolution in computer gaming history and CCP is dedicated to make the dream of a true virtual reality come into being.
CCP's mission is to attract and retain customers by providing top quality online entertainment. CCP does this by establishing and nurturing a trust relationship with customers both in terms of quality of content as well as quality of service.
CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers than is common in online games. By this and through this CCP provides a unique way for improving the quality of its products and creates an inspiring and challenging environment for talent to thrive.
We care more. We work harder
(emphasis mine)
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