I am a miner and in my life time on eve i have been ganked (in my hulk) twice the first time i will chalk it up to my bad i had no tank and broadcasted my location (a few jumps from jita) during a hulkageddon event. I was adamant this wouldn't happen again so fitted a shield tank and had an orca rep me so i could still max my yield...the day came when those cruisers targeted me and i think i fudged up by shield repping to soon as the mod didn't get to do two cycles off before i popped.
The gankers didn't have someone on hand to salvage and i managed to get a noctis to the belt and clean up before they came back(they didn't).I salvaged quite allot and after a quick glance at their fits this has confirmed my suspicions that hulk ganking is profitable on its own without the hulk bounty.
Now then ...I don't mine all the time(can't now as i can't afford another mining barge) i enjoy pvp aswell in fact although i consider myself a miner i spend more time scouting and practicing maneuvers. I also happen to agree that hulks belong in low-null sec and orcas are an abomination of high sec.
I'm going off topic I have kill rights on two people and i thought i would let the dust settle and hunt down and gank them in their pve ships. so alts at the ready location agents used and the buggers ain't logged on since.I think this maybe a time zone problem or they are alts as they have moved systems a few times but never when I'm online. My goal wasn't to catch them out in pvp ships but maybe a miner or hauler or if I'm lucky a mission ship an eye for an eye.I have given up i suck at high sec pvp...now to my point... its not really pvp thou is it ,Ganking i mean you never see these guys roaming low secs, i have overheard a few vets offering to introduce new players and miners into pvp by teaching them how to gank mining ships but really its just target practice isn't it, oh yes there is a nak to it but lets be honest its a no risk operation just as shooting fish in a barrel isn't fishing ganking is just a time attack to get your dps high enough to pop the target before the fuzz get there not Player vs Player is it?.I don't know prove me wrong.
To me eve is a pvp game and ganking is an exploit not steel to steel pvp.

Tiers of PVP
Elite tier:
Solo PVP
Small gang PVP

Medium tier:
Gate camping

Low tier:
"Solo" PVP with Falcon alt
Blob warfare

Coward tier:
"It's hot drop o'clock!"

**** tier:
Suicide ganking

Tiers of PVP
Elite tier:
Solo PVP
Small gang PVP
Forum PvP

Medium tier:
Gate camping

Low tier:
"Solo" PVP with Falcon alt and cloaky loki/tengu/legion/proteus alt and neut logi alt (if its high sec)
Blob warfare

Coward tier:
"It's hot drop o'clock!"

**** tier:
Suicide ganking

Just play the game, play it your way the same way the other guy does (yes the guy that shot your ****), quit over analyzing everything. These forums just make the game suck, sigh!

Tiers of PVP
Elite tier:
Solo PVP
Small gang PVP

Medium tier:
Gate camping

Low tier:
"Solo" PVP with Falcon alt
Blob warfare

Coward tier:
"It's hot drop o'clock!"

**** tier:
Suicide ganking

You, sir, are a scrub.

Ah now there is that intellectual witticism we have all grown to love on the Eve Forums.

Is Ganking PvP?

This game being marketed as a PvP game is just a joke!

In my mind PvP is where both sides have a equal chance of winning a fight. There is actualy skill involved etc.


Now eve pvp consists of spying, lieing and exploiting game mechaics to tip the balance in your direction. Then Hiding when the advantage isnt yours.

The game has no skill - other than who has jumped through ccp's hoops the longest and trained more sp's. Or maybe the guy who has EFT'd the longest and figured out a good ship fit

I'm going off topic I have kill rights on two people and i thought i would let the dust settle and hunt down and gank them in their pve ships. so alts at the ready location agents used and the buggers ain't logged on since.I think this maybe a time zone problem or they are alts as they have moved systems a few times but never when I'm online. My goal wasn't to catch them out in pvp ships but maybe a miner or hauler or if I'm lucky a mission ship an eye for an eye.I have given up i suck at high sec pvp...now to my point... its not really pvp thou is it

Of course it's PvP.

But I'm inclined to agree with others that it's fairly low form of PvP against an opponent that realistically has absolutely no way of fighting back on it's own and survive. If these players consider themselves somekind of amazing PvP kings you can rightfully laugh at their faces, because there's absolutely zilch glory in destroying something that is as good as defenseless.

You're essentially describing every major battle and conflict that mankind has engaged in since we were upright monkeys throwing f+ªces at each other.

PvP is a continuation of the best offensive strategy ever devised: "The Gank". Is it therefore surprising that people such as yourself find it offensive?

Karkaroph thinks not.

So by your (faulty carebear) logic, gate camps, small gangs attacking single targets, and solo PvPers picking on an outclassed ship are all fairly low forms of PvP, with 'zilch' glory to be won? Maybe you should tell these space-hipsters, who are currently furiously stoking their e-peens, while shouting out "Large fleet warfare is so mainstream" in the vain hope someone will notice them.

I feel I should warn you, I am lactoseintollerant and have rather large hands

Is ganking PvP?

Is the ganker a Player?

Is the miner a Player?

Question answered.

No (and yes), no aaand - no. There's a difference fighting something that can bite you back and something that is only dangerous to space rocks. I'm just tired of seeing people thumping their chests on destroying a mining ship, fitted like a mining ship, like they were the gods of PvP.

what really gets me is not folks attacking miners, but attacking them by exploiting game mechanics, miners have a very narrow choices of trying to defend himself ... not only that ... but CCP just accepts the fact that exploiting game mechanics should be allowed is rather sad and pathetic :s

IF you wanna gank something , gank something which can actually defend themselves not new players who are just weeks and months old :s

This game being marketed as a PvP game is just a joke!

In my mind PvP is where both sides have a equal chance of winning a fight. There is actualy skill involved etc.


Now eve pvp consists of spying, lieing and exploiting game mechaics to tip the balance in your direction. Then Hiding when the advantage isnt yours.

The game has no skill - other than who has jumped through ccp's hoops the longest and trained more sp's. Or maybe the guy who has EFT'd the longest and figured out a good ship fit

Ganking miners is to pvp as street mugging old ladies is to street gang violence.

let me sort it by relevance:

highly relevant:

suicide ganking
blob warfare

absolutely irrelevant:

wulfpax/small gangs/whatever

The ganker is always a player. The miner, on the other hand...

Since both parties were players and since no exploits are involved, yes. Of course it is.

Um, so are they both players or aren't they?

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Um, so are they both players or aren't they?
...

Ganking is to PvP as Mike Tyson beating up the 3rd grade cripple is to boxing.

let me sort it by relevance:

highly relevant:

suicide ganking
blob warfare

absolutely irrelevant:

wulfpax/small gangs/whatever

In the strictest definition, ganking would fit because it is one player pitting himself against another player, thus Player versus Player. However, the glory and respect gained is usually minimal because there is no challenge or real risk involved. Yes, one will lose the ship and modules, of course, but the risk I speak of is that of failure. That risk should always be assumed by the attacker, not the defender (the defender has his own risk quotient dependent upon his own activity), and because that risk is minimal in that regard, it is unbalanced PvP to say the least.

That said, it is a tricky balancing act. I support the right to gank, and I support the right to mine. Actually, I support most every activity within the game, so I can see the viewpoint of most everyone involved.

There is this trick miners can pull but its not all that well known. Its called fitting a tank.

No (and yes), no aaand - no. There's a difference fighting something that can bite you back and something that is only dangerous to space rocks. I'm just tired of seeing people thumping their chests on destroying a mining ship, fitted like a mining ship, like they were the gods of PvP.

my father disowned me after he found out i play eve

Mine just laughs at me , and tells me to act my age and stop playing kids games.

that is when you make sure to note all the sports he watches and point out there is more brain cells in use during a video game than drinking beer and watching a bunch of grown men chase a ball around a field.

Is ganking PvP?

I guess your parents are pretty proud that you're "relevant" in a video game.

No it is not PvP!! and those that say it is are cowards, PvP is when two parties engage in battle, not engaging someone that does not have a fighting chance, Not in a mining ship without the ability to even defend its self.

No it is not PvP!! and those that say it is are cowards, PvP is when two parties engage in battle, not engaging someone that does not have a fighting chance, Not in a mining ship without the ability to even defend its self.

Suicide gankers continue to fight bravely despite being faced with certain death and impossible odds, making them the most honourable warriors in EVE.

No it is not PvP!! and those that say it is are cowards, PvP is when two parties engage in battle, not engaging someone that does not have a fighting chance, Not in a mining ship without the ability to even defend its self.

I am a miner and in my life time on eve i have been ganked (in my hulk) twice the first time i will chalk it up to my bad i had no tank and broadcasted my location (a few jumps from jita) during a hulkageddon event. I was adamant this wouldn't happen again so fitted a shield tank and had an orca rep me so i could still max my yield...the day came when those cruisers targeted me and i think i fudged up by shield repping to soon as the mod didn't get to do two cycles off before i popped.
The gankers didn't have someone on hand to salvage and i managed to get a noctis to the belt and clean up before they came back(they didn't).I salvaged quite allot and after a quick glance at their fits this has confirmed my suspicions that hulk ganking is profitable on its own without the hulk bounty.
Now then ...I don't mine all the time(can't now as i can't afford another mining barge) i enjoy pvp aswell in fact although i consider myself a miner i spend more time scouting and practicing maneuvers. I also happen to agree that hulks belong in low-null sec and orcas are an abomination of high sec.
I'm going off topic I have kill rights on two people and i thought i would let the dust settle and hunt down and gank them in their pve ships. so alts at the ready location agents used and the buggers ain't logged on since.I think this maybe a time zone problem or they are alts as they have moved systems a few times but never when I'm online. My goal wasn't to catch them out in pvp ships but maybe a miner or hauler or if I'm lucky a mission ship an eye for an eye.I have given up i suck at high sec pvp...now to my point... its not really pvp thou is it ,Ganking i mean you never see these guys roaming low secs, i have overheard a few vets offering to introduce new players and miners into pvp by teaching them how to gank mining ships but really its just target practice isn't it, oh yes there is a nak to it but lets be honest its a no risk operation just as shooting fish in a barrel isn't fishing ganking is just a time attack to get your dps high enough to pop the target before the fuzz get there not Player vs Player is it?.I don't know prove me wrong.
To me eve is a pvp game and ganking is an exploit not steel to steel pvp.

No it is not PvP!! and those that say it is are cowards, PvP is when two parties engage in battle, not engaging someone that does not have a fighting chance, Not in a mining ship without the ability to even defend its self.

PvP is when two parties engage in battle

you're right, the miners are not another party, they're bots

Yes because everyone in hi sec mining is a bot

Is ganking PvP?