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Molly	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:20:00 - [1] When a stupid armageddon can blow you up in 2 seconds to pieces? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:20:00 - [2] When a stupid armageddon can blow you up in 2 seconds to pieces? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Rapturea	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:34:00 - [3] poor baby... newsflash! battleships can blow up crusers! When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy
Rapturea Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:34:00 - [4] poor baby... newsflash! battleships can blow up crusers! When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:41:00 - [5] Around 4000 dmg in 2 seconds is a bit overpowered for me. I am not complaining about the lost ship (I got enough assets to replace it), but it looks like that cruisers in comparison to battleships are obsolete. And it's not about "can blow up cruisers". For me it is about they blow up cruisers in any case. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:41:00 - [6] Around 4000 dmg in 2 seconds is a bit overpowered for me. I am not complaining about the lost ship (I got enough assets to replace it), but it looks like that cruisers in comparison to battleships are obsolete. And it's not about "can blow up cruisers". For me it is about they blow up cruisers in any case. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:45:00 - [7] Battleships will always own a cruiser. A cruiser will always own a frigate. Frigates will always be the most worthless combat ships in the game. Get over it. _____ m0o
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:45:00 - [8] Battleships will always own a cruiser. A cruiser will always own a frigate. Frigates will always be the most worthless combat ships in the game. Get over it. _____ m0o
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:48:00 - [9] That's not the point Axelay. A high end frigate might escape a low end cruiser. It looks like a high end cruiser can not escape a low end battleship. I got over it. I won't fly a cruiser again. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:48:00 - [10] That's not the point Axelay. A high end frigate might escape a low end cruiser. It looks like a high end cruiser can not escape a low end battleship. I got over it. I won't fly a cruiser again. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Acuna Traos	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:51:00 - [11] Ahh thats where you're wrong. Frigate kills shuttle. A properley equiped crusier can defeat a battleship. I'll go for the common method here. ECM, cruisers can lock faster than battleships so jam them. Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast. I think its about 20 times the mineral cost? something like that. You'd be pritty upset if you couldn't beet a cruiser in a ship woth 20 times more. So 20 cruisers v 1 battleship anyone?
Zoln	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:51:00 - [12] I hear ya molly, i was 4 shotted in a thorax that i had just picked up the other day. I already went throught the whole thing about how the attack was totally unprovoked and everything, and nobody cares and neither do i anymore. Fact is that if you say anything about losing a ship or being attacked on these boards, people just reply and call you a carebear.... Sorry about your ship, it does suck.
Zoln Minmatar Fate In Motion	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:51:00 - [13] I hear ya molly, i was 4 shotted in a thorax that i had just picked up the other day. I already went throught the whole thing about how the attack was totally unprovoked and everything, and nobody cares and neither do i anymore. Fact is that if you say anything about losing a ship or being attacked on these boards, people just reply and call you a carebear.... Sorry about your ship, it does suck.
Acuna Traos Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:51:00 - [14] Ahh thats where you're wrong. Frigate kills shuttle. A properley equiped crusier can defeat a battleship. I'll go for the common method here. ECM, cruisers can lock faster than battleships so jam them. Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast. I think its about 20 times the mineral cost? something like that. You'd be pritty upset if you couldn't beet a cruiser in a ship woth 20 times more. So 20 cruisers v 1 battleship anyone?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:52:00 - [15] Axelay: I'm quite sure you remember the devs saying that a Cruiser would be a chew toy for frigates without frigate support. And a Battleship would be the same for Cruisers without Cruiser support. As it is, they swat the lower class ships out the sky with nary a blink. And I feel that removes a portion of the strategy when configuring your ships. Do you go with Cruiser to Cruiser weapons, knowing that if frigates are show up your guns will be next to useless? Or do you go with Cruiser to Frigate weapons, meaning you'll barely scratch any Cruisers in the fight? Or do you go with a mix and rely on your skills to offset any disadvantages? Right now everyone is piling the biggest guns on the biggest ships because that's all that's needed to win any fight. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:52:00 - [16] Axelay: I'm quite sure you remember the devs saying that a Cruiser would be a chew toy for frigates without frigate support. And a Battleship would be the same for Cruisers without Cruiser support. As it is, they swat the lower class ships out the sky with nary a blink. And I feel that removes a portion of the strategy when configuring your ships. Do you go with Cruiser to Cruiser weapons, knowing that if frigates are show up your guns will be next to useless? Or do you go with Cruiser to Frigate weapons, meaning you'll barely scratch any Cruisers in the fight? Or do you go with a mix and rely on your skills to offset any disadvantages? Right now everyone is piling the biggest guns on the biggest ships because that's all that's needed to win any fight. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:56:00 - [17] Whats the point? There is no point. Time to move onto the next level....and fast. Was hoping cruisers would of lasted a little longer then the frigs did on the leading wave of power. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems	Posted - 2003.06.27 21:56:00 - [18] Whats the point? There is no point. Time to move onto the next level....and fast. Was hoping cruisers would of lasted a little longer then the frigs did on the leading wave of power. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Vachir	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:01:00 - [19] "Whats the point flying a high end cruiser ... When a stupid armageddon can blow you up in 2 seconds to pieces?" Welcome to EVE, bigger is better. To compete you have no choice but to farm up enough isk to buy your way into the next level. We heard the same thing about frigates and cruisers, next we'll hear the same thing about battleships and titans. Feel the treadmill yet?
Vachir	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:01:00 - [20] "Whats the point flying a high end cruiser ... When a stupid armageddon can blow you up in 2 seconds to pieces?" Welcome to EVE, bigger is better. To compete you have no choice but to farm up enough isk to buy your way into the next level. We heard the same thing about frigates and cruisers, next we'll hear the same thing about battleships and titans. Feel the treadmill yet?
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:02:00 - [21] Yep. Time to get into god mode and fly a battleship. Welcome to DAoC Level 50 vs Level 1. I am only glad that my mates were 1 jump in front of me. I am pretty sure, that armageddon would blow up all 5 cruisers in no time. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:02:00 - [22] Yep. Time to get into god mode and fly a battleship. Welcome to DAoC Level 50 vs Level 1. I am only glad that my mates were 1 jump in front of me. I am pretty sure, that armageddon would blow up all 5 cruisers in no time. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:04:00 - [23] "Right now everyone is piling the biggest guns on the biggest ships because that's all that's needed to win any fight." That¦s pretty much my opinion. But I do think that with enough teamwork you can actually stand a chance against bigger ships, even if you¦re not equipped with the absolute highend stuff. A good cruiser might destroy any frigate, but it will run into big problems when there are 5 totally different types of frigs attacking. With an ECM frig to jam you, 3 combat frigs to penetrate your shields you¦d have a lot of trouble, even if your cruiser is a very good one. At the point where the missile frig comes in you¦ll be down... I¦m pretty sure about that. Of course at least one of the frigs will go down, but that¦s the way it¦s supposed to be IMO. I think people think too much about the 1on1 thing when talking about balance. Think about teams going against each other and you¦ll see that the situation isn¦t THAT bad. But however I do think that there¦s still a need for a lot of balancing. I would like to see longer fights, no matter how. I¦m not saying weapons should be nerfed or something... it¦s just... something must be done to make fights last longer. There¦s just no strategy invloved when a ship can blast another one in 4 shots. Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/06/2003 22:04:56 Mai's Idealog
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:04:00 - [24] "Right now everyone is piling the biggest guns on the biggest ships because that's all that's needed to win any fight." That¦s pretty much my opinion. But I do think that with enough teamwork you can actually stand a chance against bigger ships, even if you¦re not equipped with the absolute highend stuff. A good cruiser might destroy any frigate, but it will run into big problems when there are 5 totally different types of frigs attacking. With an ECM frig to jam you, 3 combat frigs to penetrate your shields you¦d have a lot of trouble, even if your cruiser is a very good one. At the point where the missile frig comes in you¦ll be down... I¦m pretty sure about that. Of course at least one of the frigs will go down, but that¦s the way it¦s supposed to be IMO. I think people think too much about the 1on1 thing when talking about balance. Think about teams going against each other and you¦ll see that the situation isn¦t THAT bad. But however I do think that there¦s still a need for a lot of balancing. I would like to see longer fights, no matter how. I¦m not saying weapons should be nerfed or something... it¦s just... something must be done to make fights last longer. There¦s just no strategy invloved when a ship can blast another one in 4 shots. Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/06/2003 22:04:56
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:05:00 - [25] "A properley equiped crusier can defeat a battleship. I'll go for the common method here. ECM, cruisers can lock faster than battleships so jam them. Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast. I think its about 20 times the mineral cost? something like that. You'd be pritty upset if you couldn't beet a cruiser in a ship woth 20 times more. So 20 cruisers v 1 battleship anyone?" LOL - try and make yourself feel better about the whole thing while m0o just keeps poping them out and slaughting you. I think my little corp. will just turn up the fire and push up our schedule for getting bships into action. "Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast." The battle ship itself is a tremendous profit enhancer/resource to your corp. For every bship you get you are that much more capable of replacing ones you may loose. Money and resources are far from a hard thing to get in the world of EvE. It is also easier to counter ecm then it is to deliver it.... 20 battleships vs. 20 cruisers anyone ? The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:05:00 - [26] "A properley equiped crusier can defeat a battleship. I'll go for the common method here. ECM, cruisers can lock faster than battleships so jam them. Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast. I think its about 20 times the mineral cost? something like that. You'd be pritty upset if you couldn't beet a cruiser in a ship woth 20 times more. So 20 cruisers v 1 battleship anyone?" LOL - try and make yourself feel better about the whole thing while m0o just keeps poping them out and slaughting you. I think my little corp. will just turn up the fire and push up our schedule for getting bships into action. "Also a battleship costs a hell of alot more in resorces than a cruiser. Loose one and it won't be replaced fast." The battle ship itself is a tremendous profit enhancer/resource to your corp. For every bship you get you are that much more capable of replacing ones you may loose. Money and resources are far from a hard thing to get in the world of EvE. It is also easier to counter ecm then it is to deliver it.... 20 battleships vs. 20 cruisers anyone ? The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:09:00 - [27] for 1 vs 1, any BS should own any cruiser in NO TIME. Otherwise WHAT'S THE POINT TO HAVE A BS?
Dragon Emperor Amarr Dark Design	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:09:00 - [28] for 1 vs 1, any BS should own any cruiser in NO TIME. Otherwise WHAT'S THE POINT TO HAVE A BS?
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:19:00 - [29] i'd like to see a BS take on a well organized team of 6-7 cruisers. of course a BS is gonna own a cruiser 1v1...but we havn't seen any large scale battles in Eve, yet. i think the value of frigates and cruisers in combat won't be full realized until our fleets star maturing and the large corps start running out of space to expand in.
Tnelyos	Posted - 2003.06.27 22:19:00 - [30] i'd like to see a BS take on a well organized team of 6-7 cruisers. of course a BS is gonna own a cruiser 1v1...but we havn't seen any large scale battles in Eve, yet. i think the value of frigates and cruisers in combat won't be full realized until our fleets star maturing and the large corps start running out of space to expand in.

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