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Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 16:54:00 - [1] When wardecced by a corp you have had no interaction with, then you disband because you only fly mission fitted ships, only to be wardecced again under your new corp, disband again only to be wardecced again under your newest corp, and so on.... When does this stop being game mechanics and start being harassment? I dont mind making a new corp so no QQ but it seems a little pointless for one guy with multiple neutral support to be deccing a 2 man carebear corp systematically...
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:01:00 - [2] I would say that around the third time this stops being a game mechanic and starts being deliberately abusing the mechanics to avoid wardecs.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:04:00 - [3] Making or joining new corps to avoid wardecs is generally frowned upon by CCP, but in some cases they'll turn a blind eye because the attackers are common griefers who won't stop until they make an entire hisec corp quit playing. Only suggestion i can offer is making friends with a merc corp, and practice PvP a bit in case it happens again. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:07:00 - [4] Yes well, the aggressor just leaves the system when both me and my corp mate are on. He simply waits for one of us to be logged and comes to try and get one of us in mission ships... Am i supposed to just sit in a pvp ship for as long as im logged on, do nothing apart from get killed by someone with 3 accounts, 2 of which seem to be neutral rr?
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:07:00 - [5] If you do not want to deal with decs and just run lolmissions all day, stay in NPC corp. Joining a player corp makes you vulnerable to this LEGITIMATE game tactic. Otherwise, grow a pair and fight back. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:11:00 - [6] TBH this sounds more like a contract against you than some bored griefer. But the only one who is violating game play is the one who is corp hopping to avoid a valid wardec. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Yes well, the aggressor just leaves the system when both me and my corp mate are on. He simply waits for one of us to be logged and comes to try and get one of us in mission ships... Am i supposed to just sit in a pvp ship for as long as im logged on, do nothing apart from get killed by someone with 3 accounts, 2 of which seem to be neutral rr? You're not "supposed" to do anything. Deal with it whatever way you want - the point is that using a shady tactic to attempt to dodge a perfectly legitimate aspect of Eve's gameplay does not confer the right to cry harassment when said shady tactic fails. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:14:00 - [8] The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:14:00 - [9] sounds to me you need to go back to the rookie corp. You cant get wardec'd there. How can it be harassment if he's playing the game as its intended? Join a rookie corp. Problem solved.
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW LOL, thats true, the OP is the one breaking the rules!
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:20:00 - [13] The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) So ill get this right, the high sec is meaningless, and neutral rr is awesome and legitimate. Thanks guys :)
Genya Arikaido	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Genya Arikaido on 20/07/2010 17:23:04 Player corps aren't meant to be used for 1-5 man mission tax evasion scams. Grow a pair and join a real corp of 30+, or start recruiting yourself. Also, high security simply means that they have to pay Concord ISK to blow you up without being blown up themselves. Be glad they gave you the courtesy of a wardec and didn't just start suicide ganking you. Oh, and welcome to EVE. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:22:00 - [15] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:25:10 Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW It's not against the TOS - It's merely lame. This is a commonly believed myth. It was against the rules to leave a corp during war to intentionally get the other guy concordokkened, back when you could leave a corp while in space. That loophole was fixed (can no longer leave corp while in space). Source Quote: Hello, For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so. For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Eneko Clarius The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) So ill get this right, the high sec is meaningless, and neutral rr is awesome and legitimate. Thanks guys :) You are operating under the assumption that highsec should be safe and provide protection. Highsec is only safer and provides punishment.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:26:21 [qupte]Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he disbands the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. You are going to have to quote that, since i just searched the TOS for entries of 'disband' 'avoid' or even 'war' to find zero entries for each word. TOS isnt just what you want it to be in any given situation lol...
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Eneko Clarius When wardecced by a corp you have had no interaction with, then you disband because you only fly mission fitted ships, only to be wardecced again under your new corp, disband again only to be wardecced again under your newest corp, and so on.... Originally by: Eneko Clarius The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong. Originally by: Eneko Clarius the high sec is meaningless See. It does learn. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:29:00 - [20] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:30:02 Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. No, sorry, but you're wrong. Disbanding a corp to avoid a war dec is explicitly allowed. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:32:00 - [21] I always thought that the idea of a wardec is a great one. The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. As it is, its just a tool for those, in this case, who have multiple accounts to abuse the neutral rr making a positive outcome impossible for a small mission corp, especially when he doesnt even engage when both of us are on and in pvp ships. He started the war, im not going to chase him 14 jumps to fight someone i have no interest in...
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:35:07 Originally by: SurrenderMonkey It's not against the TOS - It's merely lame. This is a commonly believed myth. It was against the rules to leave a corp during war to intentionally get the other guy concordokkened, back when you could leave a corp while in space. That loophole was fixed (can no longer leave corp while in space). Source Wow... Ok, I am wrong, I am man enough to admit it (unlike the OP). I had always been told that was a big no-no. It is still lame tho. I will go back under my bridge now. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Ressiv on 20/07/2010 17:35:25 too fast there ... useless post now ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Eneko Clarius The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. Once again, no. The war dec mechanic is in place exactly to allow attacking people who would otherwise do nothing but hide under CONCORD protection. You ****ed someone off enough to spend a couple of MISK to hunt you down, now live with the consequences.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:36:00 - [25] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:35:52 Heh. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:38:00 - [26] NPC corps, lowsec, and 0.0 are all ways to avoid the issue of wardecs. So this never becomes harassment as being able to be wardecced in a player corporation is what was intended.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Eneko Clarius I always thought that the idea of a wardec is a great one. The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. Quoting for logic fail. You like the idea of corps being able to have non-consensual pvp but you don't like the idea of them being able to have non-consensual pvp. Got it. Also the reason the abuse of game mechanics is causing confusion is that GMs have classed corp disband/reform/disband with the express purpose of avoiding war decs an exploit. GM communication is of course always private and not allowed to be reposted. GMs having different answers to the same question? Say it ain't so! Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Barakkus Hyasyoda Investments	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:41:00 - [28] It's pretty rare for a 1-2 man corp to get dec'd, you must have **ed someone off or someone's desperate enough to dec you for some reason. Only time I've been dec'd was b/c someone wanted a moon I had an offline tower at. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. Um, disbanding a corp due to a wardec is not only allowed, but it is implicitly and almost always the reason for the war itself. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:45:33 Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:44:23 Quoting for factual fail Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Also the reason the abuse of game mechanics is causing confusion is that GMs have classed corp disband/reform/disband with the express purpose of avoiding war decs an exploit. GM communication is of course always private and not allowed to be reposted. GMs having different answers to the same question? Say it ain't so! Ok so how does this sit with what you just said lol Originally by: GM Nythanos For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so. This was not private and was linked earlier in this very thread... So thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)

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