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Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 16:54:00 - [1] When wardecced by a corp you have had no interaction with, then you disband because you only fly mission fitted ships, only to be wardecced again under your new corp, disband again only to be wardecced again under your newest corp, and so on.... When does this stop being game mechanics and start being harassment? I dont mind making a new corp so no QQ but it seems a little pointless for one guy with multiple neutral support to be deccing a 2 man carebear corp systematically...
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:01:00 - [2] I would say that around the third time this stops being a game mechanic and starts being deliberately abusing the mechanics to avoid wardecs.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:04:00 - [3] Making or joining new corps to avoid wardecs is generally frowned upon by CCP, but in some cases they'll turn a blind eye because the attackers are common griefers who won't stop until they make an entire hisec corp quit playing. Only suggestion i can offer is making friends with a merc corp, and practice PvP a bit in case it happens again. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:07:00 - [4] Yes well, the aggressor just leaves the system when both me and my corp mate are on. He simply waits for one of us to be logged and comes to try and get one of us in mission ships... Am i supposed to just sit in a pvp ship for as long as im logged on, do nothing apart from get killed by someone with 3 accounts, 2 of which seem to be neutral rr?
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:07:00 - [5] If you do not want to deal with decs and just run lolmissions all day, stay in NPC corp. Joining a player corp makes you vulnerable to this LEGITIMATE game tactic. Otherwise, grow a pair and fight back. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:11:00 - [6] TBH this sounds more like a contract against you than some bored griefer. But the only one who is violating game play is the one who is corp hopping to avoid a valid wardec. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Yes well, the aggressor just leaves the system when both me and my corp mate are on. He simply waits for one of us to be logged and comes to try and get one of us in mission ships... Am i supposed to just sit in a pvp ship for as long as im logged on, do nothing apart from get killed by someone with 3 accounts, 2 of which seem to be neutral rr? You're not "supposed" to do anything. Deal with it whatever way you want - the point is that using a shady tactic to attempt to dodge a perfectly legitimate aspect of Eve's gameplay does not confer the right to cry harassment when said shady tactic fails. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:14:00 - [8] The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:14:00 - [9] sounds to me you need to go back to the rookie corp. You cant get wardec'd there. How can it be harassment if he's playing the game as its intended? Join a rookie corp. Problem solved.
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW LOL, thats true, the OP is the one breaking the rules!
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:20:00 - [13] The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) So ill get this right, the high sec is meaningless, and neutral rr is awesome and legitimate. Thanks guys :)
Genya Arikaido	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Genya Arikaido on 20/07/2010 17:23:04 Player corps aren't meant to be used for 1-5 man mission tax evasion scams. Grow a pair and join a real corp of 30+, or start recruiting yourself. Also, high security simply means that they have to pay Concord ISK to blow you up without being blown up themselves. Be glad they gave you the courtesy of a wardec and didn't just start suicide ganking you. Oh, and welcome to EVE. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:22:00 - [15] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:25:10 Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:15:54 Originally by: Eneko Clarius The tactic works fine, just like his double neutral rr will do if he eventually manages to catch one of us lol. You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. gb2WoW It's not against the TOS - It's merely lame. This is a commonly believed myth. It was against the rules to leave a corp during war to intentionally get the other guy concordokkened, back when you could leave a corp while in space. That loophole was fixed (can no longer leave corp while in space). Source Quote: Hello, For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so. For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Eneko Clarius The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) So ill get this right, the high sec is meaningless, and neutral rr is awesome and legitimate. Thanks guys :) You are operating under the assumption that highsec should be safe and provide protection. Highsec is only safer and provides punishment.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:26:21 [qupte]Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he disbands the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. You are going to have to quote that, since i just searched the TOS for entries of 'disband' 'avoid' or even 'war' to find zero entries for each word. TOS isnt just what you want it to be in any given situation lol...
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Eneko Clarius When wardecced by a corp you have had no interaction with, then you disband because you only fly mission fitted ships, only to be wardecced again under your new corp, disband again only to be wardecced again under your newest corp, and so on.... Originally by: Eneko Clarius The corp disband was to change name, the wardec was incidental. :) One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong. Originally by: Eneko Clarius the high sec is meaningless See. It does learn. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:29:00 - [20] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:30:02 Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. No, sorry, but you're wrong. Disbanding a corp to avoid a war dec is explicitly allowed. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:32:00 - [21] I always thought that the idea of a wardec is a great one. The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. As it is, its just a tool for those, in this case, who have multiple accounts to abuse the neutral rr making a positive outcome impossible for a small mission corp, especially when he doesnt even engage when both of us are on and in pvp ships. He started the war, im not going to chase him 14 jumps to fight someone i have no interest in...
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:35:07 Originally by: SurrenderMonkey It's not against the TOS - It's merely lame. This is a commonly believed myth. It was against the rules to leave a corp during war to intentionally get the other guy concordokkened, back when you could leave a corp while in space. That loophole was fixed (can no longer leave corp while in space). Source Wow... Ok, I am wrong, I am man enough to admit it (unlike the OP). I had always been told that was a big no-no. It is still lame tho. I will go back under my bridge now. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Ressiv on 20/07/2010 17:35:25 too fast there ... useless post now ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Eneko Clarius The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. Once again, no. The war dec mechanic is in place exactly to allow attacking people who would otherwise do nothing but hide under CONCORD protection. You ****ed someone off enough to spend a couple of MISK to hunt you down, now live with the consequences.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:36:00 - [25] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 17:35:52 Heh. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:38:00 - [26] NPC corps, lowsec, and 0.0 are all ways to avoid the issue of wardecs. So this never becomes harassment as being able to be wardecced in a player corporation is what was intended.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Eneko Clarius I always thought that the idea of a wardec is a great one. The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. Quoting for logic fail. You like the idea of corps being able to have non-consensual pvp but you don't like the idea of them being able to have non-consensual pvp. Got it. Also the reason the abuse of game mechanics is causing confusion is that GMs have classed corp disband/reform/disband with the express purpose of avoiding war decs an exploit. GM communication is of course always private and not allowed to be reposted. GMs having different answers to the same question? Say it ain't so! Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Barakkus Hyasyoda Investments	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:41:00 - [28] It's pretty rare for a 1-2 man corp to get dec'd, you must have **ed someone off or someone's desperate enough to dec you for some reason. Only time I've been dec'd was b/c someone wanted a moon I had an offline tower at. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Joe SMASH Edited by: Joe SMASH on 20/07/2010 17:23:24 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 20/07/2010 17:19:56 Originally by: Joe SMASH You "tactic" is against the TOS. Disbanding a corp for the sole purpose to avoid a dec is not allowed. Well swapping corps obviously is just as well a game mechanic. I never heard of someone being penalized for jumping corps. Moving from one corp to another during a dec is allowed. However OP states that he *disbands* the corp which is not allowed for the sole purpose of avoiding a dec. Um, disbanding a corp due to a wardec is not only allowed, but it is implicitly and almost always the reason for the war itself. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:45:33 Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 17:44:23 Quoting for factual fail Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Also the reason the abuse of game mechanics is causing confusion is that GMs have classed corp disband/reform/disband with the express purpose of avoiding war decs an exploit. GM communication is of course always private and not allowed to be reposted. GMs having different answers to the same question? Say it ain't so! Ok so how does this sit with what you just said lol Originally by: GM Nythanos For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so. This was not private and was linked earlier in this very thread... So thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:45:00 - [31] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 stuff next time, read all the posts before replying. (Hint #22) ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 17:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Eneko Clarius lack of reading comprehension detected Read the actual thread. There are three separate replies where people have gotten contradictory results to petitions from GMs (40, 44, 53). Reread my post you quoted. Think real hard about what it actually said. You will find that it is in fact accurate. I would suggest training English to II at the very least. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 18:01:00 - [33] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:06:58 Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:06:29 Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:02:01 Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Something embarrassing to save face because he cannot accept he is wrong If a GM clearly stated that it is allowed, then continued reading seems pointless. Just because others have had private messages that they interpreted differently, does not override that the GM clearly stated in the public forum that disbanding corp to avoid a tedious wardec is acceptable. The factual fail was that even though you said different answers to this question have been given, you still held to the opinion that disbanding was an exploit. Which, clearly it is not, nor is it mentioned at all in the TOS. Given the concise reply from the GM, it isnt even open to debate. EDIT- Also, you quote 53, which is a completely separate issue. Perhaps you should brush up on your own comprehension skills before calling others into question rofl.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.20 18:16:00 - [34] Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 20/07/2010 18:16:05 English really isn't your thing is it? Find my uses of the word exploit. Check context. Read post 53. Ask yourself why a GM should compare notes over lunch with another GM regarding game play decisions. I should think most people are mapped to have at least perc or int in a high range. It should only be a few minutes tops. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 18:20:00 - [35] Like i just said, post 53 is purely regarding joining a corp during a battle to 'surprise' the enemy, or leaving a corp during a battle to get the enemy 'concordookened'. That post was out of context even in the original thread that you are quoting from. The other posts you mentioned are anecdotal and in no way have the same weight as the GM posting explicitly int he forum that disbanding a corp and restarting with the same players is ok. If this isnt clear enough for you then no amount of INT attrib is going to help you now.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.20 18:20:00 - [36] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 18:24:27 Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 20/07/2010 18:16:05 English really isn't your thing is it? Find my uses of the word exploit. Check context. Read post 53. Ask yourself why a GM should compare notes over lunch with another GM regarding game play decisions. I should think most people are mapped to have at least perc or int in a high range. It should only be a few minutes tops. Basically what you seem to be saying is, "ZOMG is too an exploit because this one random person posted something that seems to vaguely contradict the explicit GM statement!" We have a crystal clear, straight forward, GM statement that explicitly declares it is not an exploit. There is not the slightest bit of ambiguity there. That is much weightier than the ramblings of EvePostingAlt #239802. Can you find a GM post stating that it IS an exploit? I sure can't. As previously noted, once upon a time (readme) it was an exploit to LEAVE a corp during war while in space in an attempt to get the other guy concorded. This exploit was fixed. This is the source of much of the confusion around the myth that disbanding a corp to dodge a war dec is an exploit. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Matalino	Posted - 2010.07.20 18:39:00 - [37] As for suggestions on how to deal with your opportunistic war target: try sitting AFK at a safe spot while cloaked, or better yet fit an unscanable ship if you can, and let him waste his time trying to prode you down. If you make yourselves into boring / time-wasting targets, he will more likely get bored and move on to easier victums.
Eternum Praetorian Method In Khaos	Posted - 2010.07.20 19:48:00 - [38] You are playing a PVP based game, wardec is a mechanic. If you don't like that, set up a private chat channel and call it your corp channel. Chat there and hang out inside of an NPC corp until this goes away. Simple enough? If not there is always Hello Kitty online.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.20 20:11:00 - [39] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 20:14:43 No thanks, i think ill just keep making new corps. I might consider hello kitty if they dont have neutral RR there.
FreddyMac	Posted - 2010.07.21 01:56:00 - [40] I wish they would make you need a certain number of people to start a corp. Closing a corp due to a war dec is pretty lame. Learn how to play while under a war dec, fight back, or hire some mercs. Might as well learn how to deal with this type of stuff as it will happen plenty more in the future. Closing corps all the time will eventually get more old than just dealing with the decs. That being said, Im confirming that neutral RR is ******ed and is one of the things that is ruining empire wars.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.21 02:01:00 - [41] I think the OP's question has been answered and this thread is no longer necessary. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.07.21 08:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 20:14:43 No thanks, i think ill just keep making new corps. I might consider hello kitty if they dont have neutral RR there. Wow. Go back to it. Ifly
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.21 11:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Ifty Wow. Go back to it. Ifly Ive noticed that there are a lot of people who have some kind of elitist perspective in this game. People who think that if someone has a wardec on your small corp, and has 2 neutral rr and will only engage 1 at a time (even though he wardecced 2 people lol), that they should just undock and get popped and enjoy it lol. Its not like i dont want to fight back but it seems a little pointless using any of my pvp bs' on someone with so much neutral support. Its not like i dont do pvp, i do in low sec, where i can shoot rr, just i dont do it in mission fits lol. The freedom you have to play the game the way you want, also translates to me playing the game how i want. I havent QQ'd, it was just a question. If every other post is telling someone to go play another game, then damn, you guys, lol.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.07.21 11:43:00 - [44] It does sounds somewhat like harassment to me. Either way, though, if you don't want to get wars, just make you and your friends a chat channel to hang out in while you're hiding away in your NPC corps. _
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.21 11:53:00 - [45] Repeatedly wardeccing a corp is not harassment ù that's what wardecs are for, and it even includes a mechanic that makes the dec repeat itself (aka keep paying the dec bills). Repeatedly disbanding a corp is not an exploit ù if you're willing to to soak up the cost and effort of recreating a corp, then you're free to do so, and the opponent is free to soak up the cost of deccing you again. The two are in balance; neither side is in the wrong; both sides are just lame, but that's a completely different issue. Don't want to be decced? Don't be in a player corp. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.21 12:08:00 - [46] No, as always the real issue is the neutral rr. if there was no neutral rr then i would engage 1v1.
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2010.07.21 12:41:00 - [47] Edited by: Joe SMASH on 21/07/2010 12:41:47 Originally by: Eneko Clarius No, as always the real issue is the neutral rr. if there was no neutral rr then i would engage 1v1. Then get your own neutral rr. Have one person in your corp hang back in NPC corp for a bit and use them as rr. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.21 12:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 21/07/2010 12:51:34 I think it would be better if you could only use rr on your corp mates. I understand that this would cause some problems, but it would also solve some. Im not impartial enough to say which problems are worse though. Anyway, he had 2 neutral alts/players in system, we cannot just keep escalating the neutral rr race, thats lamer than anything discussed here IMO.
Eternum Praetorian Method In Khaos	Posted - 2010.07.21 13:10:00 - [49] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/07/2010 13:10:44 Explain his tactic in further detail? Do the RR ships warp in at ranges that makes them hard to hit? If so, use sensor damps--that will break their locks and force them to get in closer. You can also set a trap for him and pay some mercs to RR you . . . [Insert tactic here] Dramiels have been killed with badgers, it is smarts not SP and numbers that decides whether or not he achieves his goal (a war of attrition). He is kicking you to the curb because he is outsmarting you, so bite back.
eliminator2 Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.21 13:11:00 - [50] everything here is game machanics avoiding dec by corp jumpin is allowed but frown uppon deply using nuets to rr yourself is game machanics but allso frowned upon in some sititautions decing the corp the corp hoper jumped to is game machanics allso ----------------------------------------------- I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion. I kill miners and mission runners people say, I call them target pra
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.21 13:30:00 - [51] Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 21/07/2010 13:31:59 Yes, i have a tactic to try if another wardec comes in. The rr cannot be hit at any range since that would mean i get concorded. As for attrition, making a new corp costs nothing, but saves me ~5mil isk /hour in taxes :)
Nuela	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:06:00 - [52] Sounds like what is needed is that people should not be allowed to change corps when corp is under a wardec...or, if allowed, that person is still allowed to be attacked without Concord interfering while the original wardec is in place.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Yes, i have a tactic to try if another wardec comes in. The rr cannot be hit at any range since that would mean i get concorded. He should turn red the moment he starts reppingà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Eneko Clarius	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:15:00 - [54] Are you saying that he should, or that he will?
Takseen	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Originally by: Eneko Clarius The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one. Once again, no. The war dec mechanic is in place exactly to allow attacking people who would otherwise do nothing but hide under CONCORD protection. You **ed someone off enough to spend a couple of MISK to hunt you down, now live with the consequences. Why do you assume they did something to ** off the war deccer, couldn't he just have found an easy target and decide to go after them for fun n loot? A paltry 2 million for the chance to pop some mission birds at little or no risk to yourself sounds like a nice deal.
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.07.21 19:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Are you saying that he should, or that he will? Will. Agression mechanics work that way. You help someone with agression, you get agressed yourself. Help someone with a GCC and get a GCC yourself. Help someone at war, become at war yourself. Etc, etc. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Aion Amarra Minmatar Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.21 22:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Are you saying that he should, or that he will? The aggression mechanic in this case is not exactly intuitive for many, so I'll try to go into a bit more detail. You and that guy are shooting each other. This gives you aggression flags against each other (even when you are already at war). Now, if someone assists the guy you have an aggression flag towards, even if he's neutral, blue, in a noob corp, or whatever, with RR (I think almost any assistance module counts, like tracking links, but I haven't actually tried this with those myself), they will take on the flag and also start flashing for you. This means you are free to start shooting them, but at this point in time, they cannot shoot you. Much as if they stole from your jetcan. This is the part where you have to weigh carefully if attacking them is in your best interest. It is a perfectly valid tactic to fit a BS with one small remoterep and guns for the rest, rep a guy at war, and wait for the wartargets to take pot shots at you so that you can get involved yourself. Because after you take a shot at them, you'll be flagged for them and they can fire back at their leisure. Potentially, if the two neutrals aren't dedicated RR ships, this could actually turn your 1v1 with RR support into a 1v3 when you don't expect it to. Keep that in mind.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.21 22:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Eneko Clarius Are you saying that he should, or that he will? Others have beaten me to it, so I'll just say: "should" as in "if he doesn't, bug-report it". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Emma Royd Caldari Maddled Gommerils	Posted - 2010.07.22 09:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Nuela Sounds like what is needed is that people should not be allowed to change corps when corp is under a wardec...or, if allowed, that person is still allowed to be attacked without Concord interfering while the original wardec is in place. afaik the wardec is against the corp/alliance not a player, so telling someone they can't leave corp while under wardec is wrong. Jumping corp while under wardec maybe viewed as lame/cowardly etc, but on the other hand, if a player is a dedicated industrialist and isn't skilled or equipped to defend themselves then what option do they have, sit in station for the duration of the wardec? I know eve is PvP and the only real solution to wardecs is to drop to an npc corp & put up with the tax To the OP, don't you want to tell us what you did to annoy the other corp so much they keep you under a constant wardec?, or if you don't know, try asking them, maybe a simple misunderstanding caused the problem, send the ceo an evemail, not everyone in eve is a twisted bitter pirate +_+ Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.22 09:19:00 - [60] Starting a wardec doesnt require anything, ending it by corp hopping doesnt require anything. So working as intended.

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