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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
stuff
next time, read all the posts before replying. (Hint #22) 
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Originally by: Kali Zero
Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
lack of reading comprehension detected
Read the actual thread. There are three separate replies where people have gotten contradictory results to petitions from GMs (40, 44, 53). Reread my post you quoted. Think real hard about what it actually said. You will find that it is in fact accurate. I would suggest training English to II at the very least.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:06:58
Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:06:29
Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 18:02:01
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Something embarrassing to save face because he cannot accept he is wrong
If a GM clearly stated that it is allowed, then continued reading seems pointless. Just because others have had private messages that they interpreted differently, does not override that the GM clearly stated in the public forum that disbanding corp to avoid a tedious wardec is acceptable.
The factual fail was that even though you said different answers to this question have been given, you still held to the opinion that disbanding was an exploit. Which, clearly it is not, nor is it mentioned at all in the TOS.
Given the concise reply from the GM, it isnt even open to debate.
EDIT- Also, you quote 53, which is a completely separate issue. Perhaps you should brush up on your own comprehension skills before calling others into question rofl.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 20/07/2010 18:16:05
English really isn't your thing is it? Find my uses of the word exploit. Check context. Read post 53. Ask yourself why a GM should compare notes over lunch with another GM regarding game play decisions. I should think most people are mapped to have at least perc or int in a high range. It should only be a few minutes tops.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Like i just said, post 53 is purely regarding joining a corp during a battle to 'surprise' the enemy, or leaving a corp during a battle to get the enemy 'concordookened'.
That post was out of context even in the original thread that you are quoting from.
The other posts you mentioned are anecdotal and in no way have the same weight as the GM posting explicitly int he forum that disbanding a corp and restarting with the same players is ok.
If this isnt clear enough for you then no amount of INT attrib is going to help you now.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 20/07/2010 18:24:27
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 20/07/2010 18:16:05
English really isn't your thing is it? Find my uses of the word exploit. Check context. Read post 53. Ask yourself why a GM should compare notes over lunch with another GM regarding game play decisions. I should think most people are mapped to have at least perc or int in a high range. It should only be a few minutes tops.
Basically what you seem to be saying is, "ZOMG is too an exploit because this one random person posted something that seems to vaguely contradict the explicit GM statement!"
We have a crystal clear, straight forward, GM statement that explicitly declares it is not an exploit. There is not the slightest bit of ambiguity there. That is much weightier than the ramblings of EvePostingAlt #239802.
Can you find a GM post stating that it IS an exploit? I sure can't.
As previously noted, once upon a time (readme) it was an exploit to LEAVE a corp during war while in space in an attempt to get the other guy concorded. This exploit was fixed. This is the source of much of the confusion around the myth that disbanding a corp to dodge a war dec is an exploit.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:39:00 -
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As for suggestions on how to deal with your opportunistic war target: try sitting AFK at a safe spot while cloaked, or better yet fit an unscanable ship if you can, and let him waste his time trying to prode you down.
If you make yourselves into boring / time-wasting targets, he will more likely get bored and move on to easier victums.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:48:00 -
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You are playing a PVP based game, wardec is a mechanic. If you don't like that, set up a private chat channel and call it your corp channel. Chat there and hang out inside of an NPC corp until this goes away.
Simple enough?
If not there is always Hello Kitty online.
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.20 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 20:14:43
No thanks, i think ill just keep making new corps.
I might consider hello kitty if they dont have neutral RR there.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.07.21 01:56:00 -
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I wish they would make you need a certain number of people to start a corp. Closing a corp due to a war dec is pretty lame. Learn how to play while under a war dec, fight back, or hire some mercs. Might as well learn how to deal with this type of stuff as it will happen plenty more in the future. Closing corps all the time will eventually get more old than just dealing with the decs.
That being said, Im confirming that neutral RR is ******ed and is one of the things that is ruining empire wars.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:01:00 -
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I think the OP's question has been answered and this thread is no longer necessary.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.07.21 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 20/07/2010 20:14:43
No thanks, i think ill just keep making new corps.
I might consider hello kitty if they dont have neutral RR there.
Wow. Go back to it.
Ifly
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ifty
Wow. Go back to it.
Ifly
Ive noticed that there are a lot of people who have some kind of elitist perspective in this game. People who think that if someone has a wardec on your small corp, and has 2 neutral rr and will only engage 1 at a time (even though he wardecced 2 people lol), that they should just undock and get popped and enjoy it lol. Its not like i dont want to fight back but it seems a little pointless using any of my pvp bs' on someone with so much neutral support. Its not like i dont do pvp, i do in low sec, where i can shoot rr, just i dont do it in mission fits lol.
The freedom you have to play the game the way you want, also translates to me playing the game how i want. I havent QQ'd, it was just a question. If every other post is telling someone to go play another game, then damn, you guys, lol. |
SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:43:00 -
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It does sounds somewhat like harassment to me. Either way, though, if you don't want to get wars, just make you and your friends a chat channel to hang out in while you're hiding away in your NPC corps.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:53:00 -
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Repeatedly wardeccing a corp is not harassment ù that's what wardecs are for, and it even includes a mechanic that makes the dec repeat itself (aka keep paying the dec bills).
Repeatedly disbanding a corp is not an exploit ù if you're willing to to soak up the cost and effort of recreating a corp, then you're free to do so, and the opponent is free to soak up the cost of deccing you again.
The two are in balance; neither side is in the wrong; both sides are just lame, but that's a completely different issue.
Don't want to be decced? Don't be in a player corp.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.21 12:08:00 -
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No, as always the real issue is the neutral rr. if there was no neutral rr then i would engage 1v1.
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.07.21 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Joe SMASH on 21/07/2010 12:41:47
Originally by: Eneko Clarius
No, as always the real issue is the neutral rr. if there was no neutral rr then i would engage 1v1.
Then get your own neutral rr. Have one person in your corp hang back in NPC corp for a bit and use them as rr.
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Originally by: Kali Zero
Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.21 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 21/07/2010 12:51:34
I think it would be better if you could only use rr on your corp mates. I understand that this would cause some problems, but it would also solve some. Im not impartial enough to say which problems are worse though.
Anyway, he had 2 neutral alts/players in system, we cannot just keep escalating the neutral rr race, thats lamer than anything discussed here IMO.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/07/2010 13:10:44
Explain his tactic in further detail?
Do the RR ships warp in at ranges that makes them hard to hit? If so, use sensor damps--that will break their locks and force them to get in closer.
You can also set a trap for him and pay some mercs to RR you . . .
[Insert tactic here]
Dramiels have been killed with badgers, it is smarts not SP and numbers that decides whether or not he achieves his goal (a war of attrition). He is kicking you to the curb because he is outsmarting you, so bite back.
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:11:00 -
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everything here is game machanics
avoiding dec by corp jumpin is allowed but frown uppon deply
using nuets to rr yourself is game machanics but allso frowned upon in some sititautions
decing the corp the corp hoper jumped to is game machanics allso
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Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Eneko Clarius on 21/07/2010 13:31:59
Yes, i have a tactic to try if another wardec comes in. The rr cannot be hit at any range since that would mean i get concorded.
As for attrition, making a new corp costs nothing, but saves me ~5mil isk /hour in taxes :)
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Nuela
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:06:00 -
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Sounds like what is needed is that people should not be allowed to change corps when corp is under a wardec...or, if allowed, that person is still allowed to be attacked without Concord interfering while the original wardec is in place.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
Yes, i have a tactic to try if another wardec comes in. The rr cannot be hit at any range since that would mean i get concorded.
He should turn red the moment he starts reppingà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Eneko Clarius
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:15:00 -
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Are you saying that he should, or that he will?
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Eneko Clarius
The only issue is that there should be enough players who are ready for war who actually want one.
Once again, no. The war dec mechanic is in place exactly to allow attacking people who would otherwise do nothing but hide under CONCORD protection. You ****ed someone off enough to spend a couple of MISK to hunt you down, now live with the consequences.
Why do you assume they did something to **** off the war deccer, couldn't he just have found an easy target and decide to go after them for fun n loot? A paltry 2 million for the chance to pop some mission birds at little or no risk to yourself sounds like a nice deal.
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Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
Are you saying that he should, or that he will?
Will.
Agression mechanics work that way. You help someone with agression, you get agressed yourself. Help someone with a GCC and get a GCC yourself. Help someone at war, become at war yourself. Etc, etc.
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The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
Are you saying that he should, or that he will?
The aggression mechanic in this case is not exactly intuitive for many, so I'll try to go into a bit more detail.
You and that guy are shooting each other. This gives you aggression flags against each other (even when you are already at war). Now, if someone assists the guy you have an aggression flag towards, even if he's neutral, blue, in a noob corp, or whatever, with RR (I think almost any assistance module counts, like tracking links, but I haven't actually tried this with those myself), they will take on the flag and also start flashing for you.
This means you are free to start shooting them, but at this point in time, they cannot shoot you. Much as if they stole from your jetcan. This is the part where you have to weigh carefully if attacking them is in your best interest. It is a perfectly valid tactic to fit a BS with one small remoterep and guns for the rest, rep a guy at war, and wait for the wartargets to take pot shots at you so that you can get involved yourself. Because after you take a shot at them, you'll be flagged for them and they can fire back at their leisure.
Potentially, if the two neutrals aren't dedicated RR ships, this could actually turn your 1v1 with RR support into a 1v3 when you don't expect it to. Keep that in mind.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Eneko Clarius
Are you saying that he should, or that he will?
Others have beaten me to it, so I'll just say: "should" as in "if he doesn't, bug-report it".
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.07.22 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nuela
Sounds like what is needed is that people should not be allowed to change corps when corp is under a wardec...or, if allowed, that person is still allowed to be attacked without Concord interfering while the original wardec is in place.
afaik the wardec is against the corp/alliance not a player, so telling someone they can't leave corp while under wardec is wrong.
Jumping corp while under wardec maybe viewed as lame/cowardly etc, but on the other hand, if a player is a dedicated industrialist and isn't skilled or equipped to defend themselves then what option do they have, sit in station for the duration of the wardec?
I know eve is PvP and the only real solution to wardecs is to drop to an npc corp & put up with the tax
To the OP, don't you want to tell us what you did to annoy the other corp so much they keep you under a constant wardec?, or if you don't know, try asking them, maybe a simple misunderstanding caused the problem, send the ceo an evemail, not everyone in eve is a twisted bitter pirate 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.22 09:19:00 -
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Starting a wardec doesnt require anything, ending it by corp hopping doesnt require anything. So working as intended.
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