Only because on the BS level you can't oversize the ASB. For everything else, the ASB is ridiculously overpowered. If XXL-ASBs existed, the Maelstrom would wipe the floor with the Vindi without breaking a sweat.

In testing, a single rep vindi has consistently beaten a dual ASB maelstrom.

Shocking news!
Pirate battleship (also most dpsing subcap in eve) was able to consistently beat tech 1 battleship. Proof that asbs are not unbalanced at all!!

What, well if you're going to make up mods out of thin air to prove your point i want an XL armor rep.



I mean, a straight up LARGE armor rep, can beat TWO XL reps on a mael.


But sure, feel free to create mods out of thin air to validate your argument.

This thread is a classic example of people not understanding game mechanics and mods and instead of learning about them whining that they get nerfed.

This post is a classic example of grath telkin being bitter and pretending to understand game mechanics.

Not sure if you're serious....

Yea, you coming at me calling me bitter after i got you kicked out of PL doesn't look at all hypocritical...

It offers a load of flexibility which I think makes it pretty damn awesome in terms of getting different setups.

And you? Are you serious? You are basing validity of your argument on comparing most dpsing pirate bs (that has like 50% more dps, better tracking, lower signature, higher speed, higher agility, 90% web +1 "free" mid) to plain tech 1 bs...

Why not just balance it out and ask Ccp to make an armour variant AAR that way it makes it viable to field an armour fleet that can finally active tank for a change. The asb is fine but it needs to be balanced with an armour type.

ps. I don't really want to be in a goon pet alliance

Because then you make tanking homogenous and nobody likes that, right now you make choices about tanking and what you're going to tank, do i want to armor tank and get tons of utility, or do i want a really strong burst shield tank but NO ewar, ect.


There need to be clearly defined pros and cons for each, right now there is, adding a fueled armor booster will kill that.


That said the adaptive hardener is kinda crap, it could have been great but it came so incredibly pre nerfed that its not going to be the gap bridger that it should have been for armor tanks.


To make it better they need to massively reduce the cap the adaptive hardener burns to the level of a DCU so that it can give that brick feeling to armor once it cycles up, and it could probably use a slightly faster cycle time.

And for my triple post:


I guess you didn't want to be in a tournament competition alliance either right?

Yes, because we're dealing with tanking, you know, the point of this argument and not any of what you listed, the DPS difference isn't important since both ships potentially out DPS the tanks of the other.


Only the vindi can do what the Mael does with a single rep, even though the Mael uses two, AND gets tanking bonuses.


The rest of the stats you listed mean nothing when dealing with the argument at hand which is about the strength of ASBs.

Did you mean those 3 proteus's that were rotating turns being jammed?

Astarte with 2x reps: 191 dps tanked.
Sleipnir with 1x L-ASB: 298 dps tanked.
Sleipnir with 1x XL-ASB: 708 dps tanked.

Clearly no balance issue at all.

At that point in the match, all that was left was the Sleipnir and two Harpies. If you think two Harpies are going to jam out 3 Dis. Seq. Proteuses - even have a significant amount of ECM fitted on a team which already has FOUR rooks then um.....what?

If you think that 3 proteus's can be tanked by a single ASB then you're actually clueless.


There is no other words for it.

What the hell are you even talking about, what does a 90%web have to do with a single rep vindi beating a dual xl asb maelstrom?

Are you smoking crack? Possibly riding the horse?

not particularly bothered by the reality of Sleip teams losing when up against good opponents (hint not you), are you?

]Not for an extended period of time, but if you were actually watching the stream you would have seen with your own eyes that the ASB Sleipnir, webbed, survived for at least 45 seconds under the attack of the 3 Proteuses. That's not me being clueless, that's me seeing something actually happen in the tournament and then using it.

90% web will ensure that the Vindi gets good hits every time. If you consider it relevant or not, it doesn't really matter a huge deal either way. You're comparing a monster dps faction BS to a T1 BS and somehow trying to use that to support your claim.