Anything else you attribute to the fight is arbitrary and of our own creation.

I'd argue its one of the best mods CCP has come up with. In reality it just acts as a shield extender that just gives you your shield power in bursts

What the hell are you even talking about, what does a 90%web have to do with a single rep vindi beating a dual xl asb maelstrom?

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I really don't understand why CCP thought adding more tank to the game was a good idea. People keep talking about how it's a buff to solo/small gang (<5) PvP, which is not the case at all. It limits solo PvP/small gang PvP horribly. If you try to PvP in non-ASB setups, do you know what your targets are? Other non-ASB ships. It's not quite so pronounced in ATX because of the single ASB, but on TQ where double ASB is the current FoTM you cannot engage an ASB setup with a non-ASB setup.

Hell, a double ASB Myrm with a 3 slot tank tanks twice as much as a triple rep Myrm with a six slot tank and the Myrm gets a bonus to armor tanking. Anybody who thinks this is adding options to the game is a goddamn retard.

ASBs aren't the problem; Sleipnirs are. They benefit far too much from the ASB. Sleipnirs are too awesome compared to other command ships. They are fast, have monster tanks, good dps and are easy to fit in terms of grid/cpu.

The controlled AT environment works to make sleipnirs OP. Before the ASB was added they were great ships in the AT and were very commonly used, but now they have been blown completley out of proportion with how well they synergize with the ASB.

It offers a load of flexibility which I think makes it pretty damn awesome in terms of getting different setups.

Ok guys, who is going to tell him about that angular velocity, sig radius and tracking stuff?

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Hey dumbass, we're talking about 2 bs duking it out, those two factors dont really come into play when dealing with 2 bs standing toe to toe using close range weapons, hope this helps.


In fact at that range you come into negative tracking so standing perfectly still is your best bet.

yo you insulting this man because you don't understand angular displacement?

im reminded of an episode of that 70's show:


No Eric, I'm insulting him because he's a dumbass

Hey dumbass, we're talking about 2 bs duking it out, those two factors dont really come into play when dealing with 2 bs standing toe to toe using close range weapons, hope this helps.
In fact at that range you come into negative tracking so standing perfectly still is your best bet.

Hey, dumbass. Vindi has like 50m/s advantage, 100m sig radius advantage and 0.15-0.20 ang/s tracking advantage. Assuming mael has web fittted - most dont. Thats not counting using 5th mid of vindi for something like tracking disruptor... (actually fun fact - xlasb in that mid without any resist mods bar dc tanks as much dps as lar with 2x eanms). And this will make noticeable difference in quality of hits...

Who cares how much faster one is than the other or what the sig is? Do you not understand that those 2 ships both get the most service from their guns by sitting nearly dead still blasting on one another? And then you break into crazy dual tanked fits and tracking disrupting Vindis...

Oh, and yea, the now standard Dual XL ASB Mael fit has a web, not that it really matters.

I really don't understand why CCP thought adding more tank to the game was a good idea. People keep talking about how it's a buff to solo/small gang (<5) PvP, which is not the case at all. It limits solo PvP/small gang PvP horribly. If you try to PvP in non-ASB setups, do you know what your targets are? Other non-ASB ships. It's not quite so pronounced in ATX because of the single ASB, but on TQ where double ASB is the current FoTM you cannot engage an ASB setup with a non-ASB setup.

Hell, a double ASB Myrm with a 3 slot tank tanks twice as much as a triple rep Myrm with a six slot tank and the Myrm gets a bonus to armor tanking. Anybody who thinks this is adding options to the game is a goddamn retard.

Edit: Triple rep Myrm actually requires 8 slots if you count cap boosters.

Rather than nerfing ASB's, introduce something similar for armor tanking.

It offers a load of flexibility which I think makes it pretty damn awesome in terms of getting different setups.

they already have a disadvantage with the 60sec reload and most of the number of charges is 10 regular cap boosters and then 12 or 13 navy cap boosters and what ends up happening when you run out of charges you are extremely weak tank and you tend to run outta cap extremely quickly so they already are balanced you just need to stop crying about the ASB however with some of the other inferno modules need buff like the reactive armor is weak as hell the target breaker is kinda wack maybe focus on the stuff that really is broken the ASB is fine the way it is it penalizes you for running outta charges and running the module and you run out of ammo rather quickly so you have to balance how much damage you are willing to take in the shields.

Did you mean those 3 proteus's that were rotating turns being jammed?


Lets do some simple math shall we?

Lets say a single XL ASB reps about 400 per cycle right?

Lets say each proteus does 500 damage, thats low, I'm way undershooting the Damage value of the proteus but basically the 3 of them added up to nearly 1500 dps or more.


Do you see how a single ASB wouldn't matter at all to those proteus's?


I think you're confusing what you're seeing with whats actually happening and you just dont understand the mod.

You're not factoring in the effects of the boosting ship's resists. A sleipnir heating its invuln will have >70% resists across the baord, so that ~400 shield boosted per second becomes 400/0.3 = 1452 dps tanked while the booster has charges. That almostly completely negates your three proteuses and their combined 1500 outgoing dps while the sleip has charges loaded.