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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:01:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Light Darkness
Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
Easy for you to say, your corp has one of the BPOs 
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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:01:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Light Darkness
Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
Easy for you to say, your corp has one of the BPOs
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:04:00 -
[153]
The Old Farts does have a BPO has been mentioned in this and other threads. We were (not sure if we still are need to chat with the boss) doing a sale by person mean you're effective standing with our corp was taken into account for the cost of the module in question.
A few bits of info....
One member of the corp got the original drop when it first came out and was disappointed (previous comment about they being not very good originally was correct) and was almost going to reject it but fortunately they didn't!
It actually takes a while to produce a run of CR2's it's not very quick so we don't produce that many per week - it's in constantly btw.
It's worthless to create bpc's for them it takes longer to produce a bpc than it does a single CR2.
Superconductors were a real problem as yes they were around 100k-300k per item when they were first out, fortunately we eventually managed to find the right convoys to take out to try and get them for free (well other than occasionally losing a ship and the obvious standing hit)
We effectively started selling them at 3-5 million as far as I know but again as someone pointed out we moved them to the all the big markets (yulai, nonni etc etc) and we found that the batches were all bought up and dumped straight back on the market for 2-3 times the price we were selling them for. Why should we lose out on getting all the components together producing the cr2's and then getting them back out to the markets to have someone effectively cream a huge profit by doing nothing than hiking the price? We started selling higher and higher but always below the market average and the stocks still sold within 1 day sometime within 1 hour. Now if people weren't willing to buy them at the inflated price that originally artificially created we would never have had this problem with the current market prices.
My suggestions;
Don't buy them the trouble is someone else will, probably that corp you are fighting.
Increase the rate of production (surprise but I like this one)
Allow bpc creation to be viable for them.
Let agent drops include small runs of all sorts of t2 items nothing to really dent the market but gives lots of people a chance to make their own.
Find the thread in sell forum that relates to the old fart offer.
You could contact me but I've nothing to do with the science geeky side of things and my char is logged in 23x7 so the chances of me actually being there are probably slim and even if you do there isn't much I can do other than try and point to a person that might be able to assist sorry :(
Oh and you may like to know most of my ships still use t1 or named chargers only a few of the elite ships I have use a cr2. Now if you don't mind you interupted my ratting for long enough :)
Cheers
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:04:00 -
[154]
The Old Farts does have a BPO has been mentioned in this and other threads. We were (not sure if we still are need to chat with the boss) doing a sale by person mean you're effective standing with our corp was taken into account for the cost of the module in question.
A few bits of info....
One member of the corp got the original drop when it first came out and was disappointed (previous comment about they being not very good originally was correct) and was almost going to reject it but fortunately they didn't!
It actually takes a while to produce a run of CR2's it's not very quick so we don't produce that many per week - it's in constantly btw.
It's worthless to create bpc's for them it takes longer to produce a bpc than it does a single CR2.
Superconductors were a real problem as yes they were around 100k-300k per item when they were first out, fortunately we eventually managed to find the right convoys to take out to try and get them for free (well other than occasionally losing a ship and the obvious standing hit)
We effectively started selling them at 3-5 million as far as I know but again as someone pointed out we moved them to the all the big markets (yulai, nonni etc etc) and we found that the batches were all bought up and dumped straight back on the market for 2-3 times the price we were selling them for. Why should we lose out on getting all the components together producing the cr2's and then getting them back out to the markets to have someone effectively cream a huge profit by doing nothing than hiking the price? We started selling higher and higher but always below the market average and the stocks still sold within 1 day sometime within 1 hour. Now if people weren't willing to buy them at the inflated price that originally artificially created we would never have had this problem with the current market prices.
My suggestions;
Don't buy them the trouble is someone else will, probably that corp you are fighting.
Increase the rate of production (surprise but I like this one)
Allow bpc creation to be viable for them.
Let agent drops include small runs of all sorts of t2 items nothing to really dent the market but gives lots of people a chance to make their own.
Find the thread in sell forum that relates to the old fart offer.
You could contact me but I've nothing to do with the science geeky side of things and my char is logged in 23x7 so the chances of me actually being there are probably slim and even if you do there isn't much I can do other than try and point to a person that might be able to assist sorry :(
Oh and you may like to know most of my ships still use t1 or named chargers only a few of the elite ships I have use a cr2. Now if you don't mind you interupted my ratting for long enough :)
Cheers
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:22:00 -
[155]
Oh just a couple of things popped into my head.
Don't tell the boss about this post if she sees I told people to consider not buying them she'll be podding me for weeks :)
Oh and to the corp thief that almost destroyed the corp over a year ago (months before I started playing eve) can I just say 
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:22:00 -
[156]
Oh just a couple of things popped into my head.
Don't tell the boss about this post if she sees I told people to consider not buying them she'll be podding me for weeks :)
Oh and to the corp thief that almost destroyed the corp over a year ago (months before I started playing eve) can I just say
Kel
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.24 22:02:00 -
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There just arent enough Cap Recharger II BPOs around to even come close to fufilling the demand. Its a bit absurd that there exists a market which the profit per item is something like 10m, and where 30-odd of said item is produced by each blueprint per day. It makes a mockery of the player economy because its so arbitrairly restricted in supply that it makes most of the already-profitable tech2 markets look absurd by comparison.
Christ, you make as much profit selling 3 cap recharger IIs as someone who took a day and a half to produce a heavy assault cruiser. Its stupid.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.24 22:02:00 -
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There just arent enough Cap Recharger II BPOs around to even come close to fufilling the demand. Its a bit absurd that there exists a market which the profit per item is something like 10m, and where 30-odd of said item is produced by each blueprint per day. It makes a mockery of the player economy because its so arbitrairly restricted in supply that it makes most of the already-profitable tech2 markets look absurd by comparison.
Christ, you make as much profit selling 3 cap recharger IIs as someone who took a day and a half to produce a heavy assault cruiser. Its stupid.
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Soros
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Posted - 2004.12.25 10:02:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Soros on 25/12/2004 10:02:54
I know three people with cap charger II bpo's.
Seniormembersam sells them for 8mil
and when I raider curse they were on the market for 2mil
/me wishes he picked some up
SOROS
-= Soros =-
= Firmux Ixion =
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Soros
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Posted - 2004.12.25 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Soros on 25/12/2004 10:02:54
I know three people with cap charger II bpo's.
Seniormembersam sells them for 8mil
and when I raider curse they were on the market for 2mil
/me wishes he picked some up
SOROS
-= Soros =-
= Firmux Ixion =
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.25 13:28:00 -
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i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each they are tech 2 items tech 2 items are MEANT to be expensive and rare if you cant afford them then just use the tech 1's or modded cap 1's. I dont think its people cornering the market its just the damand is always high so the price rises for a start i know at least 1 CA member with the bpo.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.25 13:28:00 -
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i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each they are tech 2 items tech 2 items are MEANT to be expensive and rare if you cant afford them then just use the tech 1's or modded cap 1's. I dont think its people cornering the market its just the damand is always high so the price rises for a start i know at least 1 CA member with the bpo.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 14:36:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each
cuz they cost like 400k to make maybe?
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 14:36:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each
cuz they cost like 400k to make maybe?
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:25:00 -
[165]
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
So either:
Suck it up and pay the going market price.
or
Don't suck it up and don't pay the price.
And you all can whine as much as you want about the economic simulation side of Eve but I dare anyone here to name another MMOG with as many subscribers that has a better market system.
Yeah what I thought, there isn't one. 
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:25:00 -
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Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
So either:
Suck it up and pay the going market price.
or
Don't suck it up and don't pay the price.
And you all can whine as much as you want about the economic simulation side of Eve but I dare anyone here to name another MMOG with as many subscribers that has a better market system.
Yeah what I thought, there isn't one.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:33:00 -
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I dont care how much they cost, I never gonna buy something that overprised and CA supplys me with them anyway
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:33:00 -
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I dont care how much they cost, I never gonna buy something that overprised and CA supplys me with them anyway
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:36:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
We also hold a limited suply, of angel seraphim battlship BPC's
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:36:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
We also hold a limited suply, of angel seraphim battlship BPC's
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:53:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Liza Merth
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
I'm going to say this slowly, although you wont bother to read it anyway.
The problem is not with tech2 as a whole. Aside from Cap Recharger IIs, tech2 manufacturing is working, for the most part. The Cap Recharger II market is broken because of things CCP did - namely the CPR nerf and the Cap Recharger II buff after all of the BPOs had been released for months. That broke the supply. That is why the current situation is so out of whack.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:53:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Liza Merth
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
I'm going to say this slowly, although you wont bother to read it anyway.
The problem is not with tech2 as a whole. Aside from Cap Recharger IIs, tech2 manufacturing is working, for the most part. The Cap Recharger II market is broken because of things CCP did - namely the CPR nerf and the Cap Recharger II buff after all of the BPOs had been released for months. That broke the supply. That is why the current situation is so out of whack.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.26 03:09:00 -
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What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.26 03:09:00 -
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What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.26 06:23:00 -
[175]
Well, in real life, when a patent is making an increadible amount of money, you see one of the following things happen:
1. reverse engineering. Supposedly illegal, but with the right team of lawyers you can pull it off. Ask IBM, they'll tell you.
2: A product with different design will emerge that does the same thing. Ask IBM And Apple. They will tell you. It's the only thing stopping Steve Jobs from being 30 times as rich as good ol billy gates today. You can't patent the lightbulb, without having some guy patenting the flourescent tube and ruining your monopoly.
3: Microsoft style monopolies are a different story. This is when a company actively seeks to kill other businesses competing. The governments of most countries will step in to correct these situations, although it may take years and years. In the case of Microsoft, they legal suits will keep on popping up, even if they win their latest one.
The Cap II charger patent monpoly would be perfectly fine if we could develop the Capomatic II, a module with perhaps different fittings, or attributes, but which does the same thing. But we cannot..
personally I don't mind paying for them though. We can look at it as if the game is broken (boo hoo), or we can look at it like it's just the way the rules of the game work, and deal with it. LoL just ask that dude in quake 1, why he was allowed to keep his quad damage monopoly, as long as he tracked it with a spawn timer. The answer is: It's only a game, not real life. Real life mechanics do not always apply, nor can they fully, nor would we want them to. Because in real life my friends, no Dev will help us, when we get dealt an unfair hand.
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.26 06:23:00 -
[176]
Well, in real life, when a patent is making an increadible amount of money, you see one of the following things happen:
1. reverse engineering. Supposedly illegal, but with the right team of lawyers you can pull it off. Ask IBM, they'll tell you.
2: A product with different design will emerge that does the same thing. Ask IBM And Apple. They will tell you. It's the only thing stopping Steve Jobs from being 30 times as rich as good ol billy gates today. You can't patent the lightbulb, without having some guy patenting the flourescent tube and ruining your monopoly.
3: Microsoft style monopolies are a different story. This is when a company actively seeks to kill other businesses competing. The governments of most countries will step in to correct these situations, although it may take years and years. In the case of Microsoft, they legal suits will keep on popping up, even if they win their latest one.
The Cap II charger patent monpoly would be perfectly fine if we could develop the Capomatic II, a module with perhaps different fittings, or attributes, but which does the same thing. But we cannot..
personally I don't mind paying for them though. We can look at it as if the game is broken (boo hoo), or we can look at it like it's just the way the rules of the game work, and deal with it. LoL just ask that dude in quake 1, why he was allowed to keep his quad damage monopoly, as long as he tracked it with a spawn timer. The answer is: It's only a game, not real life. Real life mechanics do not always apply, nor can they fully, nor would we want them to. Because in real life my friends, no Dev will help us, when we get dealt an unfair hand.
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.12.26 17:21:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Lorth
You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
Thats right, and we all fly Jove ships and have full sets of +7 implants. Uh... FA are all dev alts, and we all worship Cthlulabird, the god of insane agent BPO drops.
What else? Oh yeah, the asteroid belts are all full of Uberkonor, the planets are laced with megacyte, and everytime you undock from an FA station, 100M ISK gets put in your wallet for being a generally nice guy.
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.12.26 17:21:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Lorth
You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
Thats right, and we all fly Jove ships and have full sets of +7 implants. Uh... FA are all dev alts, and we all worship Cthlulabird, the god of insane agent BPO drops.
What else? Oh yeah, the asteroid belts are all full of Uberkonor, the planets are laced with megacyte, and everytime you undock from an FA station, 100M ISK gets put in your wallet for being a generally nice guy.
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njhadesas
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Posted - 2004.12.27 03:56:00 -
[179]
It's really kind of sickening to see people ruining the enjoyment of other's games so entertaining. Seriously does it give you guys a hard on to make over 10000% profit on these things? Grow up and stop acting like spoiled little children.
Until we get some people who aren't so spoiled/selfish, these won't be going under their 10 Mil ISK price. It's really sickening and absurd that they all believe that because of a .01% chance of nerfs/mods happening in such a way, that they did, that they are entitled to hold the rest of the Eve community by the balls on one of the most in demand products in the game. |
njhadesas
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Posted - 2004.12.27 03:56:00 -
[180]
It's really kind of sickening to see people ruining the enjoyment of other's games so entertaining. Seriously does it give you guys a hard on to make over 10000% profit on these things? Grow up and stop acting like spoiled little children.
Until we get some people who aren't so spoiled/selfish, these won't be going under their 10 Mil ISK price. It's really sickening and absurd that they all believe that because of a .01% chance of nerfs/mods happening in such a way, that they did, that they are entitled to hold the rest of the Eve community by the balls on one of the most in demand products in the game. |
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