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ShyLion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 05:51:00 -
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Why there is only one seller for that type for the whole region and the price is 15 MILLIONS!!!!
Is there only one BPO in the game for that module???
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 05:51:00 -
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Why there is only one seller for that type for the whole region and the price is 15 MILLIONS!!!!
Is there only one BPO in the game for that module???
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.12.20 05:56:00 -
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I've wondered about this too. I believe one of the alliances managed to get all the BPOs for it and has the price fixed. Anyone know for sure on this?
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.12.20 05:56:00 -
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I've wondered about this too. I believe one of the alliances managed to get all the BPOs for it and has the price fixed. Anyone know for sure on this?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 06:35:00 -
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AFAIK, aside from the occasional reseller or hangar clearing, there are only 2 sources of cap recharger II's available to the public.
One is FA. I don't know how many BPO's they have, but it's more than one and they are always trying to get the others specifically because they are in limited supply. Those are the ones you see going for 12-20 million on the market and escrow.
The other source is from Old Farts. They price on a sliding scale based on your faction with thier corp, from about 4.5 million, up to around 15 million. They do not, however appear to be in mass production, and the only way I know of to obtain some is through private (and limited volume) orders.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 06:35:00 -
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AFAIK, aside from the occasional reseller or hangar clearing, there are only 2 sources of cap recharger II's available to the public.
One is FA. I don't know how many BPO's they have, but it's more than one and they are always trying to get the others specifically because they are in limited supply. Those are the ones you see going for 12-20 million on the market and escrow.
The other source is from Old Farts. They price on a sliding scale based on your faction with thier corp, from about 4.5 million, up to around 15 million. They do not, however appear to be in mass production, and the only way I know of to obtain some is through private (and limited volume) orders.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Kai Lae
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Posted - 2004.12.20 07:05:00 -
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Well, a quick check (to be sure) of the fountian T2 listing confirms what I already had remembered - no fountian corp has the T2 cap recharger. Cap booster, yes. Cap Battery, yes. Cap recharger, no. I've heard this before and *it's a myth*. Unfortunately, since it would be nice to be raking in the millions.
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2004.12.20 07:05:00 -
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Well, a quick check (to be sure) of the fountian T2 listing confirms what I already had remembered - no fountian corp has the T2 cap recharger. Cap booster, yes. Cap Battery, yes. Cap recharger, no. I've heard this before and *it's a myth*. Unfortunately, since it would be nice to be raking in the millions.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.12.20 07:39:00 -
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You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.12.20 07:39:00 -
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You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:17:00 -
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the pricing must be based on the simple two facts:
a) the demand for ths item is amazing
b)the production time s too big and/or the prints feeding the market are very limited.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:17:00 -
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the pricing must be based on the simple two facts:
a) the demand for ths item is amazing
b)the production time s too big and/or the prints feeding the market are very limited.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:21:00 -
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The build time can't be that long, considering it's a generic item. I see Heat Sinks II and Small Armor repairers all over the place. My guess is that some of the BPO's are in hangars of people that quit the game and the other few are in hands of the people that charge 10-15mil each.
IMO it's avout time CCP distributes some 8-10 more of these BPO's of such a basic item.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:21:00 -
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The build time can't be that long, considering it's a generic item. I see Heat Sinks II and Small Armor repairers all over the place. My guess is that some of the BPO's are in hangars of people that quit the game and the other few are in hands of the people that charge 10-15mil each.
IMO it's avout time CCP distributes some 8-10 more of these BPO's of such a basic item.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:38:00 -
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PA ships used to drop Charger 2's so i guess they had a contact
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:38:00 -
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PA ships used to drop Charger 2's so i guess they had a contact
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:47:00 -
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they used to be 9 mill...
afaik im not going to buy them for 15 mill, ill rather go pop some NPC huntters or use t1 named 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:47:00 -
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they used to be 9 mill...
afaik im not going to buy them for 15 mill, ill rather go pop some NPC huntters or use t1 named
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:55:00 -
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what I'd heard was that it was Xanadu that had bought half a dozen of the BPO and (according to old farts, or what I remember of one of there posts) had been buying up any other people put up for less than theyre prices
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Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:55:00 -
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what I'd heard was that it was Xanadu that had bought half a dozen of the BPO and (according to old farts, or what I remember of one of there posts) had been buying up any other people put up for less than theyre prices
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Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Tactician
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:59:00 -
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just before exodus there was a guy selling at 6 mil a pop, which considering they usually sell for 15M each is quite commendable, unfortunatly u had to check regularly cos market griefers would buy them all up and hike the price up to 15M within about an hour, i was fortunate enough to find a number of them them at that price from the same guy on several occasions so im guessing he has a bpo or a source he can get prints from, naturally I bought a few and sold them on to my corp mates at cost price, cant let deals like that slip by :)
Anyway, whoever that guy is can he come back :) as i said before very commendable selling at that price and not going with the crowd and jacking the price up
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Tactician
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Posted - 2004.12.20 09:59:00 -
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just before exodus there was a guy selling at 6 mil a pop, which considering they usually sell for 15M each is quite commendable, unfortunatly u had to check regularly cos market griefers would buy them all up and hike the price up to 15M within about an hour, i was fortunate enough to find a number of them them at that price from the same guy on several occasions so im guessing he has a bpo or a source he can get prints from, naturally I bought a few and sold them on to my corp mates at cost price, cant let deals like that slip by :)
Anyway, whoever that guy is can he come back :) as i said before very commendable selling at that price and not going with the crowd and jacking the price up
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:23:00 -
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Clearly FA are the root of all evil and the owners of all cap-recharger II's in the game.
Either that or people might want to read all posts before they keep saying things they "think" they know, or "heard".
PS. There was a post here 1-2months ago about somebodys hauler getting blown up in empire, he was carrying xxx cap-recharger II's because that corp had a BPO. Some random isk-sulking production-corp iirc.
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:23:00 -
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Clearly FA are the root of all evil and the owners of all cap-recharger II's in the game.
Either that or people might want to read all posts before they keep saying things they "think" they know, or "heard".
PS. There was a post here 1-2months ago about somebodys hauler getting blown up in empire, he was carrying xxx cap-recharger II's because that corp had a BPO. Some random isk-sulking production-corp iirc.
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Urfin
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Urfin on 20/12/2004 10:28:02
The current monopoly situation is a mistake, an imbalance, and needs to be fixed. Don't get me wrong, I don't really care/envy those ppl that exploit the flawed BPO distrib system, but for me and most ppl I know Cap II is as good as not in game, and not becaue we can't afford it - it's simply not worth the price. The BPO distrib is a mistake because it cannot be balanced by player effort - there's no game mechanic that lets players influence monopolies in EVE, and no government regulation of the economy either for tech II.
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Urfin
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Urfin on 20/12/2004 10:28:02
The current monopoly situation is a mistake, an imbalance, and needs to be fixed. Don't get me wrong, I don't really care/envy those ppl that exploit the flawed BPO distrib system, but for me and most ppl I know Cap II is as good as not in game, and not becaue we can't afford it - it's simply not worth the price. The BPO distrib is a mistake because it cannot be balanced by player effort - there's no game mechanic that lets players influence monopolies in EVE, and no government regulation of the economy either for tech II.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aitrus on 20/12/2004 10:54:10
Well, if someone *did* front massive isk to buy up the BPO supply, you really can't fault the game mechanics. Monopolies are a possibility. Someone might have pulled it off legitimately. If so, well played.
I'd be more angry at the people who were willing to sell what is arguably one of the most valuble BPO's in the game to date. No price tag is worth giving up the possible income from that thing. Anyone who sold one is either lazy, or stupid. Noone with any sense would give up the ability to make a mod for a few hundred thousand isk and sell in excess of 10mil.
EDIT: Eve's economy is purely capitalistic, so there should not be any mechanism to completely block monopolies/cartels. It should just be very difficult. 20+ random BPO drops makes it very hard to control all of them.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.12.20 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aitrus on 20/12/2004 10:54:10
Well, if someone *did* front massive isk to buy up the BPO supply, you really can't fault the game mechanics. Monopolies are a possibility. Someone might have pulled it off legitimately. If so, well played.
I'd be more angry at the people who were willing to sell what is arguably one of the most valuble BPO's in the game to date. No price tag is worth giving up the possible income from that thing. Anyone who sold one is either lazy, or stupid. Noone with any sense would give up the ability to make a mod for a few hundred thousand isk and sell in excess of 10mil.
EDIT: Eve's economy is purely capitalistic, so there should not be any mechanism to completely block monopolies/cartels. It should just be very difficult. 20+ random BPO drops makes it very hard to control all of them.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.20 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 20/12/2004 11:24:06
As far as I can remember.. Cap recharger IIs were originally like 5-7 mil on the market when they came out.
But they need super conductors (trade commodity) to build and the NPC supply of those was removed for a while at some point, so the price for cap rechargers went up a lot due to decreased supply. After NPC supply for super conductors came back, however, it seems that people had already gotten used to the higher prices, so that producers could keep selling them at those. 
I know for a fact, however, that there are at least 3 different suppliers (possibly more) for those, so no monopoly.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.20 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 20/12/2004 11:24:06
As far as I can remember.. Cap recharger IIs were originally like 5-7 mil on the market when they came out.
But they need super conductors (trade commodity) to build and the NPC supply of those was removed for a while at some point, so the price for cap rechargers went up a lot due to decreased supply. After NPC supply for super conductors came back, however, it seems that people had already gotten used to the higher prices, so that producers could keep selling them at those.
I know for a fact, however, that there are at least 3 different suppliers (possibly more) for those, so no monopoly.
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siim
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Posted - 2004.12.20 11:44:00 -
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I've heard that SE holds the most bp's of cap rechargers
I could buy 1 for 6 mil but DAMN its way too expensive cuz it cost only 100k to make 1
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siim
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Posted - 2004.12.20 11:44:00 -
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I've heard that SE holds the most bp's of cap rechargers
I could buy 1 for 6 mil but DAMN its way too expensive cuz it cost only 100k to make 1
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2004.12.20 12:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Shirei
As far as I can remember.. Cap recharger IIs were originally like 5-7 mil on the market when they came out.
na, 2mill, the first batch came out right before the cpr nerf so ppl was still shield tanking apoc,megas etc.
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2004.12.20 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
As far as I can remember.. Cap recharger IIs were originally like 5-7 mil on the market when they came out.
na, 2mill, the first batch came out right before the cpr nerf so ppl was still shield tanking apoc,megas etc.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
IMO it's avout time CCP distributes some 8-10 more of these BPO's of such a basic item.
CCP have said that if the BPO's for a tech 2 item do get released and non are being manufactured they will look into who holds and the BPO and if someone has left the game with one they may release more. It's not fair to just do it adhoc though as that dilutes an existing players investment.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
IMO it's avout time CCP distributes some 8-10 more of these BPO's of such a basic item.
CCP have said that if the BPO's for a tech 2 item do get released and non are being manufactured they will look into who holds and the BPO and if someone has left the game with one they may release more. It's not fair to just do it adhoc though as that dilutes an existing players investment.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:18:00 -
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There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:18:00 -
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There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:18:00 -
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Isnt this game about gaining the advantage over every one else? You can hardly blame any one for taking advantage. I think it would be less interesting game wise if such great items became so readily available.
- i cant afford any, but fortunatly neither can most people!
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:18:00 -
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Isnt this game about gaining the advantage over every one else? You can hardly blame any one for taking advantage. I think it would be less interesting game wise if such great items became so readily available.
- i cant afford any, but fortunatly neither can most people!
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Heptameron
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:39:00 -
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I don't think CCP should change it to suit the people who haven't got the BPO. They have reacted quickly to market demands and bought the rest off pilots with only short term goals ie cash in pocket now cause i want a big bad BS.
I personally wish we had uber rat spawns at random locations both in and out of empire that dropped a BPO worth a lot of money. That way any pilot in the game might get lucky. I mean could you imagine taking down a spawn similar to an uber lvl 4 kill mission in deadspace in a .9 sector and walking away with a titan BP?
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Heptameron
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:39:00 -
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I don't think CCP should change it to suit the people who haven't got the BPO. They have reacted quickly to market demands and bought the rest off pilots with only short term goals ie cash in pocket now cause i want a big bad BS.
I personally wish we had uber rat spawns at random locations both in and out of empire that dropped a BPO worth a lot of money. That way any pilot in the game might get lucky. I mean could you imagine taking down a spawn similar to an uber lvl 4 kill mission in deadspace in a .9 sector and walking away with a titan BP?
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:47:00 -
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I wouldn't say it's a monopoly, it's more of a price cartel. The end result is that it is much more expensive to shield tank than armor tank, and THAT should worry CCP.
Unfortunately, they don't seem to wanna do anything about the situation.
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:47:00 -
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I wouldn't say it's a monopoly, it's more of a price cartel. The end result is that it is much more expensive to shield tank than armor tank, and THAT should worry CCP.
Unfortunately, they don't seem to wanna do anything about the situation.
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Bellac
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:48:00 -
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A far as i can see - those who own the BPO must be doing so for a tactical advantage. The price being set so high means that only a few people will buy them, so very few are actually being used.
On the other hand cap recharges must be one of the most common items fitted to ships, so it the price was dropped to say 1 mill each, its probably fair to say that these corps would sell more than 20x the number they currently sell, so their profits would be greater.
I for one, as someone with loads of tech 2 prod experience, can say with all honesty that if i had a BPO i would be making 23/7 to try and satisfy the demand and raking in more than enough profit to keep me happy along the way.
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Bellac
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:48:00 -
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A far as i can see - those who own the BPO must be doing so for a tactical advantage. The price being set so high means that only a few people will buy them, so very few are actually being used.
On the other hand cap recharges must be one of the most common items fitted to ships, so it the price was dropped to say 1 mill each, its probably fair to say that these corps would sell more than 20x the number they currently sell, so their profits would be greater.
I for one, as someone with loads of tech 2 prod experience, can say with all honesty that if i had a BPO i would be making 23/7 to try and satisfy the demand and raking in more than enough profit to keep me happy along the way.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:53:00 -
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Basically, CCP screwed the pooch on cap recharger IIs. They released all the BPOs back in febuary, and thanks to the fact that they were only 15% at the time, combined with the excellent effectiveness of CPRs, the BPOs were worthless. Many of the worthless BPOs were auctioned for basically a song, and I've heard that most of them ended up in the same hands.
Then CCP nerfed the CPR, and increased the Cap Recharger II in effectiveness by a third. This is the only tech2 market that is not and will never eventually come down in price because of the monopolistic nature of the market. I kind of wish i had a BPO though, since right now, with the prices on market, theyre making about 400m a day in profit.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:53:00 -
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Basically, CCP screwed the pooch on cap recharger IIs. They released all the BPOs back in febuary, and thanks to the fact that they were only 15% at the time, combined with the excellent effectiveness of CPRs, the BPOs were worthless. Many of the worthless BPOs were auctioned for basically a song, and I've heard that most of them ended up in the same hands.
Then CCP nerfed the CPR, and increased the Cap Recharger II in effectiveness by a third. This is the only tech2 market that is not and will never eventually come down in price because of the monopolistic nature of the market. I kind of wish i had a BPO though, since right now, with the prices on market, theyre making about 400m a day in profit.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.20 14:29:00 -
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er.. i heard that someone's corpmate read that they thought that.. er.... Xetic Alliance have got them all.
Okay, have we covered all the alliances yet?
As for people complaining that they can't get them, I'm afraid that's just tough. If you can't afford something, then generally, you can't have it.
Kudos to whoever decided to snap these things up. Sometimes, that sort of thing can be a loss, but in this case, it turned out to be a win.
A risk taken, and a reward earned.
I would think the second round of drops for this particular BP must be on the cards soon though. Iheard there would be a two-stage BPO drop system, with a few in the first round of drops, and more in the second round, to enable a monopoly, but not an eternal monopoly.
As for where they all are, a few people might even have refused them (not everyone in eve is clever, after all  )
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.20 14:29:00 -
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er.. i heard that someone's corpmate read that they thought that.. er.... Xetic Alliance have got them all.
Okay, have we covered all the alliances yet?
As for people complaining that they can't get them, I'm afraid that's just tough. If you can't afford something, then generally, you can't have it.
Kudos to whoever decided to snap these things up. Sometimes, that sort of thing can be a loss, but in this case, it turned out to be a win.
A risk taken, and a reward earned.
I would think the second round of drops for this particular BP must be on the cards soon though. Iheard there would be a two-stage BPO drop system, with a few in the first round of drops, and more in the second round, to enable a monopoly, but not an eternal monopoly.
As for where they all are, a few people might even have refused them (not everyone in eve is clever, after all )
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.12.20 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.12.20 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.20 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: siim
I've heard that SE holds the most bp's of cap rechargers
I could buy 1 for 6 mil but DAMN its way too expensive cuz it cost only 100k to make 1
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.20 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: siim
I've heard that SE holds the most bp's of cap rechargers
I could buy 1 for 6 mil but DAMN its way too expensive cuz it cost only 100k to make 1
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 18:38:00 -
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I don't see the problem here. Do I like the prospect of paying 15 million + for something that costs 100k to make? Of course not. But I certainly DO like the prospect of my research agent handing ME a rare BPO, so that I too can actually turn a profit manufacturing.
If people are really that upset about the number of cap recharger II BPO's, maybe they should stop researching starship engineering and start researching high energy physics.
Oh yeah, and STOP SELLING THEM TO ALLIANCES FOR QUICK CASH
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.20 18:38:00 -
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I don't see the problem here. Do I like the prospect of paying 15 million + for something that costs 100k to make? Of course not. But I certainly DO like the prospect of my research agent handing ME a rare BPO, so that I too can actually turn a profit manufacturing.
If people are really that upset about the number of cap recharger II BPO's, maybe they should stop researching starship engineering and start researching high energy physics.
Oh yeah, and STOP SELLING THEM TO ALLIANCES FOR QUICK CASH
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.12.20 18:46:00 -
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Right, a month ago i spoke to my ceo and every ceo/directer in SE i could get my hands on i couldnt get any t2 cap recharger's at any price. so who know's
the way i got my hands on the 3 t2 cap recharge i have is by placing a buy order in lumin 7-6 for a set price and SCREAM at every market channel i know that the buy order is there >_< (( i now have 3 ))
But trust me if everyone here wants to start talking about t2 cap items lets talk about the one and only cap realy T2 being in curse space ?
(( its a shame ill never see such items ever, ))
*****
" MSDborris, " Baka!, Hentia! "
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.12.20 18:46:00 -
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Right, a month ago i spoke to my ceo and every ceo/directer in SE i could get my hands on i couldnt get any t2 cap recharger's at any price. so who know's
the way i got my hands on the 3 t2 cap recharge i have is by placing a buy order in lumin 7-6 for a set price and SCREAM at every market channel i know that the buy order is there >_< (( i now have 3 ))
But trust me if everyone here wants to start talking about t2 cap items lets talk about the one and only cap realy T2 being in curse space ?
(( its a shame ill never see such items ever, ))
*****
" MSDborris, " Baka!, Hentia! "
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.12.20 19:27:00 -
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Back when the BPOs came out, people could not find enough superconductors to build them, or the superconductors were going for 100k each (remember that?).
So, they probably sold their BPOs.
Welcome to the Miner2 syndrome all over again. Isn't if funny how history repeats itself?
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.12.20 19:27:00 -
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Back when the BPOs came out, people could not find enough superconductors to build them, or the superconductors were going for 100k each (remember that?).
So, they probably sold their BPOs.
Welcome to the Miner2 syndrome all over again. Isn't if funny how history repeats itself?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.20 19:59:00 -
[61]
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.20 19:59:00 -
[62]
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.12.20 21:07:00 -
[63]
I know who has a BPO and I'm not telling! 
Tho I don't think he would sell to me anymore. 
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Except for Ending Slavery, Fascism and communism, War Has Never Solved Anything |
CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.12.20 21:07:00 -
[64]
I know who has a BPO and I'm not telling!
Tho I don't think he would sell to me anymore.
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Except for Ending Slavery, Fascism and communism, War Has Never Solved Anything |
Kalhystia
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Posted - 2004.12.20 21:36:00 -
[65]
Well when I need some good cap recharger I go to do hunting to get some eutectic cap recharger I. Almost as efficient as a tech 2 and no cost at all. 15m for a tech 2 is far too high for me  |
Kalhystia
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Posted - 2004.12.20 21:36:00 -
[66]
Well when I need some good cap recharger I go to do hunting to get some eutectic cap recharger I. Almost as efficient as a tech 2 and no cost at all. 15m for a tech 2 is far too high for me |
StarLite
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:25:00 -
[67]
Well, think of it this way:
If YOU would get a CRII BPO from an agent, would you sell thE CR II's for 5 or 15mil each? People WILL buy em at these prices, so you can;t blame anyone for not selling em at these prices.
It's just like the T2 ships, they don't cost nearly the amount they sell for and yet everyone keeps buying em for these prices.
It's a shame they cost so much, I would definately like to see the price of em going down, but I got the feeling it's not going to happen :)
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StarLite
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:25:00 -
[68]
Well, think of it this way:
If YOU would get a CRII BPO from an agent, would you sell thE CR II's for 5 or 15mil each? People WILL buy em at these prices, so you can;t blame anyone for not selling em at these prices.
It's just like the T2 ships, they don't cost nearly the amount they sell for and yet everyone keeps buying em for these prices.
It's a shame they cost so much, I would definately like to see the price of em going down, but I got the feeling it's not going to happen :)
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:35:00 -
[69]
Why are you people talking about "Well, just start doing research...."? All of the Cap Recharger II BPOs were released in febuary-march. More would have to be added into the pool by CCP, it doesnt really matter how much research you do, until they decide that the market for them is FUBAR nothing will change.
Unlike the tech1 market, CCP controls the tech2 market. If a situation like cap recharger IIs arises, where a combo of nerfs and poor foresight by the origional BPO holders causes a monopoly, the players can do nothing. There is nothing you, or anyone, can do to alter the market for cap recharger IIs unless you own a BPO already.
And the comparison to tech2 ships isnt really valid. Most tech2 markets come down to a fairly low amount of profit. The older tech2 ships are no exception. Even at its highest, sale prices for tech2 ships are rarely more then double the production cost of the ship. Cap recharger IIs are right now selling at 15000% profit. How can you compare that with any other market? Nothing else is even near it.
Oh, and you wont get another situation like this. If your only reasoning to support it is 'I want a 15000% profit BPO', forget it. The chances of CCP doing exactly the right nerfs to allow your market to become monopolistic is very slim. This is a unique situation, created by balance changes to multiple modules and ships.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:35:00 -
[70]
Why are you people talking about "Well, just start doing research...."? All of the Cap Recharger II BPOs were released in febuary-march. More would have to be added into the pool by CCP, it doesnt really matter how much research you do, until they decide that the market for them is FUBAR nothing will change.
Unlike the tech1 market, CCP controls the tech2 market. If a situation like cap recharger IIs arises, where a combo of nerfs and poor foresight by the origional BPO holders causes a monopoly, the players can do nothing. There is nothing you, or anyone, can do to alter the market for cap recharger IIs unless you own a BPO already.
And the comparison to tech2 ships isnt really valid. Most tech2 markets come down to a fairly low amount of profit. The older tech2 ships are no exception. Even at its highest, sale prices for tech2 ships are rarely more then double the production cost of the ship. Cap recharger IIs are right now selling at 15000% profit. How can you compare that with any other market? Nothing else is even near it.
Oh, and you wont get another situation like this. If your only reasoning to support it is 'I want a 15000% profit BPO', forget it. The chances of CCP doing exactly the right nerfs to allow your market to become monopolistic is very slim. This is a unique situation, created by balance changes to multiple modules and ships.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Syme
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:36:00 -
[71]
I have heard from a source that knows a source that they know that another cap recharger2 BPO dropped on Saturday.
I don't expect the price to drop though |
Syme
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:36:00 -
[72]
I have heard from a source that knows a source that they know that another cap recharger2 BPO dropped on Saturday.
I don't expect the price to drop though |
Anthony Kain
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:54:00 -
[73]
Quit whining about the cost, get more ISK.
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Anthony Kain
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:54:00 -
[74]
Quit whining about the cost, get more ISK.
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Tau Stone
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:57:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Syme
I have heard from a source that knows a source that they know that another cap recharger2 BPO dropped on Saturday.
Well, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious  |
Tau Stone
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Posted - 2004.12.21 00:57:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Syme
I have heard from a source that knows a source that they know that another cap recharger2 BPO dropped on Saturday.
Well, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious |
TekRa
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Posted - 2004.12.21 01:25:00 -
[77]
I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
TekRa
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Posted - 2004.12.21 01:25:00 -
[78]
I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.21 01:41:00 -
[79]
Originally by: TekRa
I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
Fear the shwartz!
Monopolies are fine :)
Cartels are great :)
Long live capitalism.
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Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name.
Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.21 01:41:00 -
[80]
Originally by: TekRa
I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
Fear the shwartz!
Monopolies are fine :)
Cartels are great :)
Long live capitalism.
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Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name.
Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Rodge
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Posted - 2004.12.21 10:10:00 -
[81]
If you're not willing to pay 10-15mil for the module, then you obviously don't want it enough.
As long as people in the game are willing to pay these prices, then people will continue to charge them. I know that Old Farts did sell Cap Recharger IIs on the market en masse at fairly reasonable prices (think it was around 4-5mil), but some people just bought them all up and put them back on the market at 12-15mil.
Supply and Demand, isn't a player controlled market wonderful 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.12.21 10:10:00 -
[82]
If you're not willing to pay 10-15mil for the module, then you obviously don't want it enough.
As long as people in the game are willing to pay these prices, then people will continue to charge them. I know that Old Farts did sell Cap Recharger IIs on the market en masse at fairly reasonable prices (think it was around 4-5mil), but some people just bought them all up and put them back on the market at 12-15mil.
Supply and Demand, isn't a player controlled market wonderful
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Lauriers
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Posted - 2004.12.21 10:26:00 -
[83]
I got a capII charger sitting in my hangar. Was wondering if it was worth the risk of reverse engineering it?
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Lauriers
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Posted - 2004.12.21 10:26:00 -
[84]
I got a capII charger sitting in my hangar. Was wondering if it was worth the risk of reverse engineering it?
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.12.21 15:04:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Lauriers
I got a capII charger sitting in my hangar. Was wondering if it was worth the risk of reverse engineering it?
I'd love to see you try....
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.12.21 15:04:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Lauriers
I got a capII charger sitting in my hangar. Was wondering if it was worth the risk of reverse engineering it?
I'd love to see you try....
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2004.12.22 16:36:00 -
[87]
Whoever has the t2 bpo for the recharger should go *censored*.
CCP should drop a bpc/bpo or whatever somwhere, cause they r so damn expensive only idiots buy them.
Id rather use 90 mill in torps do get a npc to drop a named one.
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Trishys cookies they are !
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2004.12.22 16:36:00 -
[88]
Whoever has the t2 bpo for the recharger should go *censored*.
CCP should drop a bpc/bpo or whatever somwhere, cause they r so damn expensive only idiots buy them.
Id rather use 90 mill in torps do get a npc to drop a named one.
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Trishys cookies they are !
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.12.22 18:35:00 -
[89]
Agents with a tech 2 5-10 run BPC as bonuses would be nice.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.12.22 18:35:00 -
[90]
Agents with a tech 2 5-10 run BPC as bonuses would be nice.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Raeff
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Posted - 2004.12.22 19:19:00 -
[91]
when you can buy assault ships now for less than a single module that has been out way longer, you know somethin is very wrong  .. but like somebody said above, aslong as people keep buying them for that price, they are gonna keep selling them for that price .. and like somebody else said they do, i too spend hours npc hunting for the rare named rechargers instead of buying the tech 2 platinum plated diamond studded ones .. what they arent platinum plated and diamond studded?
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.12.22 19:19:00 -
[92]
when you can buy assault ships now for less than a single module that has been out way longer, you know somethin is very wrong .. but like somebody said above, aslong as people keep buying them for that price, they are gonna keep selling them for that price .. and like somebody else said they do, i too spend hours npc hunting for the rare named rechargers instead of buying the tech 2 platinum plated diamond studded ones .. what they arent platinum plated and diamond studded?
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Cracken
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Posted - 2004.12.22 19:46:00 -
[93]
LOL my agent gave me 100k of superconductors as a reward the other day. Would be nice if agents occaisoally handed out tech2 items.
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Cracken
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Posted - 2004.12.22 19:46:00 -
[94]
LOL my agent gave me 100k of superconductors as a reward the other day. Would be nice if agents occaisoally handed out tech2 items.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.12.22 21:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
Every T2 Cap Recharger I have ever owned (or have dropped to enemy fire) I got off a CA or other enemy ship that I destroyed.
All the ones I know of inside Fountain were purchased in empire or picked up off enemy ships.
FA does not have a T2 Cap Recharger BPO that I know of, and it would be surprising if there was a "secret" one that I did not know about.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.12.22 21:28:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
Every T2 Cap Recharger I have ever owned (or have dropped to enemy fire) I got off a CA or other enemy ship that I destroyed.
All the ones I know of inside Fountain were purchased in empire or picked up off enemy ships.
FA does not have a T2 Cap Recharger BPO that I know of, and it would be surprising if there was a "secret" one that I did not know about.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.22 22:26:00 -
[97]
simple...
Go to war with whomever holds the most BPOs. Cut off their supplies and make their corp assets sit in hangers and rot. Find insiders to tell you where each and every station they have is located then make them pay for making you pay. Kill their ships and they will need money to replace... making them look to their cash cow... and then let supply vs demand take over and watch prices fall.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.22 22:26:00 -
[98]
simple...
Go to war with whomever holds the most BPOs. Cut off their supplies and make their corp assets sit in hangers and rot. Find insiders to tell you where each and every station they have is located then make them pay for making you pay. Kill their ships and they will need money to replace... making them look to their cash cow... and then let supply vs demand take over and watch prices fall.
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KHEN
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Posted - 2004.12.23 00:24:00 -
[99]
1) If the price is too high, don't buy it ! even if you earn 30 Mil Isk/day, do not pay a price that newcomers to EVE won't be able to pay before monthes
2) Monopolies of tech 2 BPO with no release of BPC freezes the entire market then the gameplay because they slow the arrival of new technologies (when will we see Tech 3 stuff ?)
3) Lack of Tech 2 BPC nerves the tech 2 component market and by the way all the starbases economy
4) If I own someday an interesting tech 2 BPO, I will sell affordable copies of it, and affordable mods because I'm wealthy enough, I do not care of selling this BPO for even 50 Bil Isk, the fun would just be to change the face of the game by making everybody look for tech 2 components in example. Does someone think in the same way ?
regards
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KHEN
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Posted - 2004.12.23 00:24:00 -
[100]
1) If the price is too high, don't buy it ! even if you earn 30 Mil Isk/day, do not pay a price that newcomers to EVE won't be able to pay before monthes
2) Monopolies of tech 2 BPO with no release of BPC freezes the entire market then the gameplay because they slow the arrival of new technologies (when will we see Tech 3 stuff ?)
3) Lack of Tech 2 BPC nerves the tech 2 component market and by the way all the starbases economy
4) If I own someday an interesting tech 2 BPO, I will sell affordable copies of it, and affordable mods because I'm wealthy enough, I do not care of selling this BPO for even 50 Bil Isk, the fun would just be to change the face of the game by making everybody look for tech 2 components in example. Does someone think in the same way ?
regards
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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.23 01:20:00 -
[101]
Seraphin Technologies (Stain Empire corp) has a BPO.
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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.23 01:20:00 -
[102]
Seraphin Technologies (Stain Empire corp) has a BPO.
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Jennae
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Posted - 2004.12.23 02:28:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Jennae on 23/12/2004 02:28:48
Originally by: TekRa
Monopolies are fine :)
Cartels are great :)
Long live capitalism.
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
/also pays super high prices for Recharger IIs.
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Jennae
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Posted - 2004.12.23 02:28:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Jennae on 23/12/2004 02:28:48
Originally by: TekRa
Monopolies are fine :)
Cartels are great :)
Long live capitalism.
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
/also pays super high prices for Recharger IIs.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 02:41:00 -
[105]
Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 23/12/2004 03:21:46
Originally by: Jennae
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
/also pays super high prices for Recharger IIs.
If it was a free market then you would be right. But if it was a free market, the high price of the module would cause others to enter the market, reguardless of the entry cost, and begin production, causing prices to balance out.
This is not a free market. This is a government sanctioned and mediated monopoly. The only reason that others cannot produce cap recharger IIs is a restrictive government philosophy on intellectual property which is artifically preventing entry into the market.
Its like paying $10 a gallon for gasoline beacuse the government decided any oil company not called Exxon was evil, and burned them to the ground. I dont think you'd be calling exxon savvy in that situation, and its little different from the Cap Recharger II market today.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 02:41:00 -
[106]
Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 23/12/2004 03:21:46
Originally by: Jennae
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
/also pays super high prices for Recharger IIs.
If it was a free market then you would be right. But if it was a free market, the high price of the module would cause others to enter the market, reguardless of the entry cost, and begin production, causing prices to balance out.
This is not a free market. This is a government sanctioned and mediated monopoly. The only reason that others cannot produce cap recharger IIs is a restrictive government philosophy on intellectual property which is artifically preventing entry into the market.
Its like paying $10 a gallon for gasoline beacuse the government decided any oil company not called Exxon was evil, and burned them to the ground. I dont think you'd be calling exxon savvy in that situation, and its little different from the Cap Recharger II market today.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.23 03:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
This is not a free market. This is a government scantioned and mediated monopoly. The only reason that others cannot produce cap recharger IIs is a restrictive government philosiphy on intellectual property which is artifically preventing entry into the market.
Hats off.
The so-called player driven economy is a joke.
The whole lottery system is a joke.
Reverse engeneering is the way to go. Dunno if it exists in Eve, though.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.23 03:17:00 -
[108]
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
This is not a free market. This is a government scantioned and mediated monopoly. The only reason that others cannot produce cap recharger IIs is a restrictive government philosiphy on intellectual property which is artifically preventing entry into the market.
Hats off.
The so-called player driven economy is a joke.
The whole lottery system is a joke.
Reverse engeneering is the way to go. Dunno if it exists in Eve, though.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.23 08:07:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jennae
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
O.K. I'm all for profitable manufacturing, but let's not fool ourselves by pretending that savvy has anything to do with it.
Someone, somewhere got *handed* a BPO for doing research. At best, it was blind luck. At worst, it was favoritism and/or tenure (if you believe the various conspiracy theories).
Don't change it, but don't pretend it's something it is not either.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2004.12.23 08:07:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jennae
Took the words right out of my American mouth :) quit complaining bacause you weren't as savvy as those entrepreneurs were :)
O.K. I'm all for profitable manufacturing, but let's not fool ourselves by pretending that savvy has anything to do with it.
Someone, somewhere got *handed* a BPO for doing research. At best, it was blind luck. At worst, it was favoritism and/or tenure (if you believe the various conspiracy theories).
Don't change it, but don't pretend it's something it is not either.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.23 09:36:00 -
[111]
In many countries, any accord between competing companies to fix an artificially high price is illegal.
If there is a price cartel, those who got the BPOs already got a HUGE profit from them, dozens or hundreds of times more than what they invested. Why should they get a higher still?
/me think that some more BPOs should be added randomly.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.23 09:36:00 -
[112]
In many countries, any accord between competing companies to fix an artificially high price is illegal.
If there is a price cartel, those who got the BPOs already got a HUGE profit from them, dozens or hundreds of times more than what they invested. Why should they get a higher still?
/me think that some more BPOs should be added randomly.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.23 10:39:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 23/12/2004 10:39:47
I like having money, but if I was to get a hold of this BPO I'd build them for 2-3 mill each.
Yeah, I wouldn't get as rich, but at least I wouldn't be regarded by most as a money grubbing loser.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.23 10:39:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 23/12/2004 10:39:47
I like having money, but if I was to get a hold of this BPO I'd build them for 2-3 mill each.
Yeah, I wouldn't get as rich, but at least I wouldn't be regarded by most as a money grubbing loser.
www.hadean.org
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.23 10:44:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/12/2004 10:44:23
Hmm,
There might be a cartel, but it would have to be an agreement between at least 4 different groups then that I know to have the bpo.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.23 10:44:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/12/2004 10:44:23
Hmm,
There might be a cartel, but it would have to be an agreement between at least 4 different groups then that I know to have the bpo.
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2004.12.23 11:45:00 -
[117]
have a freind who has the bpo , hes not in any alliance and in a smallish corp. nice getting them cheap for myself and my corp . dont bother asking for his name or corp cos ill never release it.
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2004.12.23 11:45:00 -
[118]
have a freind who has the bpo , hes not in any alliance and in a smallish corp. nice getting them cheap for myself and my corp . dont bother asking for his name or corp cos ill never release it.
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.12.23 11:54:00 -
[119]
Originally by: ChaosOne
have a freind who has the bpo , hes not in any alliance and in a smallish corp. nice getting them cheap for myself and my corp . dont bother asking for his name or corp cos ill never release it.
Ohh, you Tease
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.12.23 11:54:00 -
[120]
Originally by: ChaosOne
have a freind who has the bpo , hes not in any alliance and in a smallish corp. nice getting them cheap for myself and my corp . dont bother asking for his name or corp cos ill never release it.
Ohh, you Tease
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Nomispanco
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Posted - 2004.12.23 12:09:00 -
[121]
supply and demand
stop whining
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Nomispanco
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Posted - 2004.12.23 12:09:00 -
[122]
supply and demand
stop whining
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babyblue
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Posted - 2004.12.23 12:45:00 -
[123]
Legal monopolies do exist in the real world too (its called a Patent). Patents allow someone to profit for a set period of time from a unique or new idea (ok, ok, the patent system is screwed at the moment but the principle is right). Consider Tech II stuff to be a "new invention" and there is nothing "anti-market" about the high prices. The idea that new BPOs should be released and then at some later time, after the patent expires are sold by npc's on the market is quite a good one I think (limited run BP copies being sold on the market I mean).
At present, a lot of trading occurs between tech II bp holders. For example, 100 runs of Cap Recharger II for 50 runs of small abc laser II, rather than by direct trading for cash on the market. Your best hedge against high market prices is to aquire some tech II bps for trading yourself ;) (not easy I admit).
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babyblue
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Posted - 2004.12.23 12:45:00 -
[124]
Legal monopolies do exist in the real world too (its called a Patent). Patents allow someone to profit for a set period of time from a unique or new idea (ok, ok, the patent system is screwed at the moment but the principle is right). Consider Tech II stuff to be a "new invention" and there is nothing "anti-market" about the high prices. The idea that new BPOs should be released and then at some later time, after the patent expires are sold by npc's on the market is quite a good one I think (limited run BP copies being sold on the market I mean).
At present, a lot of trading occurs between tech II bp holders. For example, 100 runs of Cap Recharger II for 50 runs of small abc laser II, rather than by direct trading for cash on the market. Your best hedge against high market prices is to aquire some tech II bps for trading yourself ;) (not easy I admit).
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:25:00 -
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There's one simple answer to this and it's been said over and over again.
The price is stupid and smacks of one of the lowest forms of emotion, pure greed.
Just don't buy them, when they can't sell them what will they be forced to do?.....
And in response to an earlier post, having or buying these BPO's was not savvy in any shape or form. It was pure luck or something darker, but I'm not one to point an accusing finger at a conspiracy.
They were originally cost inhibitive to produce and not that much better than there tech I counterpart. So CCP in it's infinite wisdom lowers the cost of the component making them expensive and increases the effectiveness of the module.
What can you say, wow, can I have a free license to print isk?
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:25:00 -
[126]
There's one simple answer to this and it's been said over and over again.
The price is stupid and smacks of one of the lowest forms of emotion, pure greed.
Just don't buy them, when they can't sell them what will they be forced to do?.....
And in response to an earlier post, having or buying these BPO's was not savvy in any shape or form. It was pure luck or something darker, but I'm not one to point an accusing finger at a conspiracy.
They were originally cost inhibitive to produce and not that much better than there tech I counterpart. So CCP in it's infinite wisdom lowers the cost of the component making them expensive and increases the effectiveness of the module.
What can you say, wow, can I have a free license to print isk?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:39:00 -
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lol at the moaning. Look guys, the price is horrendous sure, but its the result of the game system in play. Some corps are just charging what the market can bare. (and it does bare it) Case in point. I use 4 cap charger II's for my npc hunting dominix. Even if I have to pay 60m I am going to pay it, because I want my dominix to be able to hunt Dread spawns. (and I will make the 60m back in a reasonable evening).
If you don't like the price then either research who is doing the selling and offer them some recriprical deals on your own tech2 stuff.
Or maybe wardec them and take cap charger II's from their dead ships?
Or maybe suck it down and realise that people have been paying much more than that for key loot modules forever.
But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game.
Just a find a way to deal, or decide its not worth your time to deal. Your choices.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:39:00 -
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lol at the moaning. Look guys, the price is horrendous sure, but its the result of the game system in play. Some corps are just charging what the market can bare. (and it does bare it) Case in point. I use 4 cap charger II's for my npc hunting dominix. Even if I have to pay 60m I am going to pay it, because I want my dominix to be able to hunt Dread spawns. (and I will make the 60m back in a reasonable evening).
If you don't like the price then either research who is doing the selling and offer them some recriprical deals on your own tech2 stuff.
Or maybe wardec them and take cap charger II's from their dead ships?
Or maybe suck it down and realise that people have been paying much more than that for key loot modules forever.
But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game.
Just a find a way to deal, or decide its not worth your time to deal. Your choices.
Star Fraction
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:58:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
lol at the moaning. Look guys, the price is horrendous sure, but its the result of the game system in play. Some corps are just charging what the market can bare. (and it does bare it) Case in point. I use 4 cap charger II's for my npc hunting dominix. Even if I have to pay 60m I am going to pay it, because I want my dominix to be able to hunt Dread spawns. (and I will make the 60m back in a reasonable evening).
If you don't like the price then either research who is doing the selling and offer them some recriprical deals on your own tech2 stuff.
Or maybe wardec them and take cap charger II's from their dead ships?
Or maybe suck it down and realise that people have been paying much more than that for key loot modules forever.
But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game.
Just a find a way to deal, or decide its not worth your time to deal. Your choices.
Wardec them? Its now 100m/week or so to dec on alliances. That is an awfully big chunk of cash to sink, especially since the people hauling around signifigant quantities of Cap Recharger IIs will be in noob corps.
Oh, and loot was always expensive? Yes, but loot was something everyone could go get, theoretically. If I didnt want to pay 25m for a arbalest siege, I could go hunt guristas. If I dont want to pay 15m for a cap recharger II, i can... mmmm.... go use something else. Its not the same thing.
Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 13:58:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
lol at the moaning. Look guys, the price is horrendous sure, but its the result of the game system in play. Some corps are just charging what the market can bare. (and it does bare it) Case in point. I use 4 cap charger II's for my npc hunting dominix. Even if I have to pay 60m I am going to pay it, because I want my dominix to be able to hunt Dread spawns. (and I will make the 60m back in a reasonable evening).
If you don't like the price then either research who is doing the selling and offer them some recriprical deals on your own tech2 stuff.
Or maybe wardec them and take cap charger II's from their dead ships?
Or maybe suck it down and realise that people have been paying much more than that for key loot modules forever.
But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game.
Just a find a way to deal, or decide its not worth your time to deal. Your choices.
Wardec them? Its now 100m/week or so to dec on alliances. That is an awfully big chunk of cash to sink, especially since the people hauling around signifigant quantities of Cap Recharger IIs will be in noob corps.
Oh, and loot was always expensive? Yes, but loot was something everyone could go get, theoretically. If I didnt want to pay 25m for a arbalest siege, I could go hunt guristas. If I dont want to pay 15m for a cap recharger II, i can... mmmm.... go use something else. Its not the same thing.
Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:09:00 -
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Quote:
Wardec them? Its now 100m/week or so to dec on alliances. That is an awfully big chunk of cash to sink, especially since the people hauling around signifigant quantities of Cap Recharger IIs will be in noob corps.
The PA is 28m  - Seriously though, there are individual corps that have this BPO.
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Oh, and loot was always expensive? Yes, but loot was something everyone could go get, theoretically. If I didnt want to pay 25m for a arbalest siege, I could go hunt guristas. If I dont want to pay 15m for a cap recharger II, i can... mmmm.... go use something else. Its not the same thing.
You can use the next best at 18% recharge which is a loot drop. Until you have earned enough hunting or whatever to go the whole hog. And be realistic, if you ace a Gurrista dread spawn you've probably got 300-500m of auctionable rare loot. If you can't use some of that wonger to splash on capII's you are really scroogelike.
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Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
They added research for tech2. It was the chosen method of introduction. Its been the way its worked since the beginning. Before the lotteries and (player led) auctions there were no tech2.
If you don't like the current reality you can play the game. Get some in-corp research specialists and save your money for tech2 bpo auctions. I think JF has probably spent about 25billion or so on auctions alone. (and we don't have have a tech2 charger)
Seriously, its a big business simulation game out there in bpo land. A lot of corps have been playing by the rules for so long its unlikely to change.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:09:00 -
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Quote:
Wardec them? Its now 100m/week or so to dec on alliances. That is an awfully big chunk of cash to sink, especially since the people hauling around signifigant quantities of Cap Recharger IIs will be in noob corps.
The PA is 28m - Seriously though, there are individual corps that have this BPO.
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Oh, and loot was always expensive? Yes, but loot was something everyone could go get, theoretically. If I didnt want to pay 25m for a arbalest siege, I could go hunt guristas. If I dont want to pay 15m for a cap recharger II, i can... mmmm.... go use something else. Its not the same thing.
You can use the next best at 18% recharge which is a loot drop. Until you have earned enough hunting or whatever to go the whole hog. And be realistic, if you ace a Gurrista dread spawn you've probably got 300-500m of auctionable rare loot. If you can't use some of that wonger to splash on capII's you are really scroogelike.
Quote:
Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
They added research for tech2. It was the chosen method of introduction. Its been the way its worked since the beginning. Before the lotteries and (player led) auctions there were no tech2.
If you don't like the current reality you can play the game. Get some in-corp research specialists and save your money for tech2 bpo auctions. I think JF has probably spent about 25billion or so on auctions alone. (and we don't have have a tech2 charger)
Seriously, its a big business simulation game out there in bpo land. A lot of corps have been playing by the rules for so long its unlikely to change.
Star Fraction
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Quote:
Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
They added research for tech2. It was the chosen method of introduction. Its been the way its worked since the beginning. Before the lotteries and (player led) auctions there were no tech2.
If you don't like the current reality you can play the game. Get some in-corp research specialists and save your money for tech2 bpo auctions. I think JF has probably spent about 25billion or so on auctions alone. (and we don't have have a tech2 charger)
Seriously, its a big business simulation game out there in bpo land. A lot of corps have been playing by the rules for so long its unlikely to change.
My point is that the cap recharger II market is so broken because of the Cap Recharger buff and the CPR nerf well after the Cap Recharger II BPOs were completely dropped. You cant exactly call something a realistic simulation when the laws of physics change at a whim.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Quote:
Its also amazing that youre calling this a realistic simulation game, when the problem more or less came about because the game designers changed the physics behind the game. I guess it would be realistic for me to petition god to change physics because new processors generate too much heat.
They added research for tech2. It was the chosen method of introduction. Its been the way its worked since the beginning. Before the lotteries and (player led) auctions there were no tech2.
If you don't like the current reality you can play the game. Get some in-corp research specialists and save your money for tech2 bpo auctions. I think JF has probably spent about 25billion or so on auctions alone. (and we don't have have a tech2 charger)
Seriously, its a big business simulation game out there in bpo land. A lot of corps have been playing by the rules for so long its unlikely to change.
My point is that the cap recharger II market is so broken because of the Cap Recharger buff and the CPR nerf well after the Cap Recharger II BPOs were completely dropped. You cant exactly call something a realistic simulation when the laws of physics change at a whim.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:38:00 -
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"But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game."
Jasmine, all other points are valid, but i don't know about this one. -.^ The research as it's currently in Eve not only has little to do with realism, but it doesn't even follow the game's own backstory.
Personally, i'd like it much more if it was like in that PoTW... allowing research-oriented players 'create' new ship modules based on existing ones, utilizing the station research slots, character skills, reverse engineering, component mix-and-match, resource allocation and whatnot. Doubt it's going to happen though... but doesn't mean the current system of "there can be only this little originals of any given BPO no matter what" has anything to do with realism... ^^;;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:38:00 -
[136]
"But don't whine about the R%D and player driven economy. These things happen in a realistic economic simulation game."
Jasmine, all other points are valid, but i don't know about this one. -.^ The research as it's currently in Eve not only has little to do with realism, but it doesn't even follow the game's own backstory.
Personally, i'd like it much more if it was like in that PoTW... allowing research-oriented players 'create' new ship modules based on existing ones, utilizing the station research slots, character skills, reverse engineering, component mix-and-match, resource allocation and whatnot. Doubt it's going to happen though... but doesn't mean the current system of "there can be only this little originals of any given BPO no matter what" has anything to do with realism... ^^;;
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Omatje
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:44:00 -
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Well there are more options to this:
1) Don't buy them
2) Pay stupid price
3) Put every Corp that sells them here on the forum, so all other corps can declare war at them untill they will drop the prices to a reasonable level. A bit harsh, but this is EVE and not a real life market situation:)
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Omatje
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:44:00 -
[138]
Well there are more options to this:
1) Don't buy them
2) Pay stupid price
3) Put every Corp that sells them here on the forum, so all other corps can declare war at them untill they will drop the prices to a reasonable level. A bit harsh, but this is EVE and not a real life market situation:)
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:52:00 -
[139]
My point is that the cap recharger II market is so broken because of the Cap Recharger buff and the CPR nerf well after the Cap Recharger II BPOs were completely dropped. You cant exactly call something a realistic simulation when the laws of physics change at a whim.
Ah right, my apologies, I see where you are coming from on that point. And yep, that gameplay physics change did have a pretty radical effect on tanking choice. TBH I'm not convinced the cap relay's should stay nerfed at all. It would probably be sensible to remove the shield boosting penalty and just make them mirror the mid slot capability since they are omni items that should boost ship variety rather than limit it.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.23 14:52:00 -
[140]
My point is that the cap recharger II market is so broken because of the Cap Recharger buff and the CPR nerf well after the Cap Recharger II BPOs were completely dropped. You cant exactly call something a realistic simulation when the laws of physics change at a whim.
Ah right, my apologies, I see where you are coming from on that point. And yep, that gameplay physics change did have a pretty radical effect on tanking choice. TBH I'm not convinced the cap relay's should stay nerfed at all. It would probably be sensible to remove the shield boosting penalty and just make them mirror the mid slot capability since they are omni items that should boost ship variety rather than limit it.
Star Fraction
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.23 15:39:00 -
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I see talk of a price fixing cartel.
I doubt it's quite that dramatic.
What I think happened is that people learned from the mistakes of the past.
I remember back when a new item would come out, and everyone would cut their own throats for instant isk, and the price would drop 50% in a single day.
This time around people are seeing that they will sell out at 15m each, and aren't having price wars with each other, as there are plenty of people around with that sort of money to spare. Charging less when people would happily pay more is kinda retarded.
I have a stack of implants kicking about. I could sell them at 10 mil each. But would anyone really care? people will pay 20-60mil for them without even blinking, so i'd be a fool to sell them cheaper.
With regard to the savvy/not savvy thing: If a corp owns one BPO, then they are lucky. If a corp bought 4-5 BPO's they are savvy.
There will be a second round of drops for this BPO, and probably in the region of 16-20 originals, so this monopoly won't last forever. Just have patience.
Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about. Eutetics are perfectly acceptable. And if they're not, your ship config, or piloting skills are borderline, at best.
And someone in this thread came up with the suggestion of not buying them. It's the best suggestion so far. If noone buys the things, the price *will* drop.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.12.23 15:39:00 -
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I see talk of a price fixing cartel.
I doubt it's quite that dramatic.
What I think happened is that people learned from the mistakes of the past.
I remember back when a new item would come out, and everyone would cut their own throats for instant isk, and the price would drop 50% in a single day.
This time around people are seeing that they will sell out at 15m each, and aren't having price wars with each other, as there are plenty of people around with that sort of money to spare. Charging less when people would happily pay more is kinda retarded.
I have a stack of implants kicking about. I could sell them at 10 mil each. But would anyone really care? people will pay 20-60mil for them without even blinking, so i'd be a fool to sell them cheaper.
With regard to the savvy/not savvy thing: If a corp owns one BPO, then they are lucky. If a corp bought 4-5 BPO's they are savvy.
There will be a second round of drops for this BPO, and probably in the region of 16-20 originals, so this monopoly won't last forever. Just have patience.
Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about. Eutetics are perfectly acceptable. And if they're not, your ship config, or piloting skills are borderline, at best.
And someone in this thread came up with the suggestion of not buying them. It's the best suggestion so far. If noone buys the things, the price *will* drop.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
Every T2 Cap Recharger I have ever owned (or have dropped to enemy fire) I got off a CA or other enemy ship that I destroyed.
All the ones I know of inside Fountain were purchased in empire or picked up off enemy ships.
FA does not have a T2 Cap Recharger BPO that I know of, and it would be surprising if there was a "secret" one that I did not know about.
heh I could say the same thing, all the ones ive gained came from my foes. If there is someone in CA with t2 cap recharger or cpr t2 Ive yet to see any being sold to CA members.....
I think alot went to individuals not capable of producing in large numbers needed to support eve. Untill a mega corp gets one it wont happen IMO.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:52:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Going by drops on the BoB killboard, the entities who would appear to be using the most T2 cap rechargers are FA and CA.
Every T2 Cap Recharger I have ever owned (or have dropped to enemy fire) I got off a CA or other enemy ship that I destroyed.
All the ones I know of inside Fountain were purchased in empire or picked up off enemy ships.
FA does not have a T2 Cap Recharger BPO that I know of, and it would be surprising if there was a "secret" one that I did not know about.
heh I could say the same thing, all the ones ive gained came from my foes. If there is someone in CA with t2 cap recharger or cpr t2 Ive yet to see any being sold to CA members.....
I think alot went to individuals not capable of producing in large numbers needed to support eve. Untill a mega corp gets one it wont happen IMO.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.12.23 17:35:00 -
[145]
Actually CA owns 2 Cap Recharger II BPO's afaik.
1 of the owners used to produce em very cheap for the alliance but stopped doing that.
He was gonna hand out copies to all the CA Fighter Corps.
Im not certain if CA really has a 2nd BPO, i havent seen any being sold by this person while i was in CA.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.12.23 17:35:00 -
[146]
Actually CA owns 2 Cap Recharger II BPO's afaik.
1 of the owners used to produce em very cheap for the alliance but stopped doing that.
He was gonna hand out copies to all the CA Fighter Corps.
Im not certain if CA really has a 2nd BPO, i havent seen any being sold by this person while i was in CA.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2004.12.24 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
Friends.
Please stop whining. The Result is that you maked the price!!!!
The Cap II begins with 1 MIO ISK in the marked. About other Cap II seller and your high consume the price goes up. The Cap II seller make the price you will give. AND YOU GIVE 10 MIO ISK for a cap II!!!
Dont forget. For a half yeahr. Nobody fly a armor tanked ship. Only shield tanked. Now they all fly armor tanks and need cap recharger into med slots. If in the next time the shield tank comes back is the Cap II no Equipment what you will fit.
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2004.12.24 11:21:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
Friends.
Please stop whining. The Result is that you maked the price!!!!
The Cap II begins with 1 MIO ISK in the marked. About other Cap II seller and your high consume the price goes up. The Cap II seller make the price you will give. AND YOU GIVE 10 MIO ISK for a cap II!!!
Dont forget. For a half yeahr. Nobody fly a armor tanked ship. Only shield tanked. Now they all fly armor tanks and need cap recharger into med slots. If in the next time the shield tank comes back is the Cap II no Equipment what you will fit.
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.24 12:18:00 -
[149]
If you don't like the prices on Tech 2, use Tech 1. It is the whole point of the system.
If people stop buying tech 2 then the prices will drop. It's that simple, some people have put the work in though and pay the money to get the benefit.
It's the same in the real life, I can drive a Ferrari, I can't afford one though so I have to drive an Audi.
I see so many people that have a strong sense of entitlement as to what they should be able to have and it's just embaressing. If you can't mine for an hour or kill a couple of players for 15m isk then quit *****ing, the whole point of the increased skill requirements is that by the time you can use the item then you are able to make enough money to fit it.
Sure it sucks a bit that it's so expensive but the players have put themselves in a position where they can charge that then good on them. It's the same with all the ships as well but they are still used because the benefit is worth it and over time it will all drop to reasonable levels.
OHNOESCOMPLICATEDTHEORY
If you think this is bad, wait till the Tech 2 XL Shield Booster and Siege Launcher comes out and every single Raven pilot is on the waiting list ;-)
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.24 12:18:00 -
[150]
If you don't like the prices on Tech 2, use Tech 1. It is the whole point of the system.
If people stop buying tech 2 then the prices will drop. It's that simple, some people have put the work in though and pay the money to get the benefit.
It's the same in the real life, I can drive a Ferrari, I can't afford one though so I have to drive an Audi.
I see so many people that have a strong sense of entitlement as to what they should be able to have and it's just embaressing. If you can't mine for an hour or kill a couple of players for 15m isk then quit *****ing, the whole point of the increased skill requirements is that by the time you can use the item then you are able to make enough money to fit it.
Sure it sucks a bit that it's so expensive but the players have put themselves in a position where they can charge that then good on them. It's the same with all the ships as well but they are still used because the benefit is worth it and over time it will all drop to reasonable levels.
OHNOESCOMPLICATEDTHEORY
If you think this is bad, wait till the Tech 2 XL Shield Booster and Siege Launcher comes out and every single Raven pilot is on the waiting list ;-)
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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:01:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Light Darkness
Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
Easy for you to say, your corp has one of the BPOs
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John Farson
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:01:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Light Darkness
Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/12/2004 11:22:16
So. Stop whining and play.
Greetz
Easy for you to say, your corp has one of the BPOs
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:04:00 -
[153]
The Old Farts does have a BPO has been mentioned in this and other threads. We were (not sure if we still are need to chat with the boss) doing a sale by person mean you're effective standing with our corp was taken into account for the cost of the module in question.
A few bits of info....
One member of the corp got the original drop when it first came out and was disappointed (previous comment about they being not very good originally was correct) and was almost going to reject it but fortunately they didn't!
It actually takes a while to produce a run of CR2's it's not very quick so we don't produce that many per week - it's in constantly btw.
It's worthless to create bpc's for them it takes longer to produce a bpc than it does a single CR2.
Superconductors were a real problem as yes they were around 100k-300k per item when they were first out, fortunately we eventually managed to find the right convoys to take out to try and get them for free (well other than occasionally losing a ship and the obvious standing hit)
We effectively started selling them at 3-5 million as far as I know but again as someone pointed out we moved them to the all the big markets (yulai, nonni etc etc) and we found that the batches were all bought up and dumped straight back on the market for 2-3 times the price we were selling them for. Why should we lose out on getting all the components together producing the cr2's and then getting them back out to the markets to have someone effectively cream a huge profit by doing nothing than hiking the price? We started selling higher and higher but always below the market average and the stocks still sold within 1 day sometime within 1 hour. Now if people weren't willing to buy them at the inflated price that originally artificially created we would never have had this problem with the current market prices.
My suggestions;
Don't buy them the trouble is someone else will, probably that corp you are fighting.
Increase the rate of production (surprise but I like this one)
Allow bpc creation to be viable for them.
Let agent drops include small runs of all sorts of t2 items nothing to really dent the market but gives lots of people a chance to make their own.
Find the thread in sell forum that relates to the old fart offer.
You could contact me but I've nothing to do with the science geeky side of things and my char is logged in 23x7 so the chances of me actually being there are probably slim and even if you do there isn't much I can do other than try and point to a person that might be able to assist sorry :(
Oh and you may like to know most of my ships still use t1 or named chargers only a few of the elite ships I have use a cr2. Now if you don't mind you interupted my ratting for long enough :)
Cheers
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:04:00 -
[154]
The Old Farts does have a BPO has been mentioned in this and other threads. We were (not sure if we still are need to chat with the boss) doing a sale by person mean you're effective standing with our corp was taken into account for the cost of the module in question.
A few bits of info....
One member of the corp got the original drop when it first came out and was disappointed (previous comment about they being not very good originally was correct) and was almost going to reject it but fortunately they didn't!
It actually takes a while to produce a run of CR2's it's not very quick so we don't produce that many per week - it's in constantly btw.
It's worthless to create bpc's for them it takes longer to produce a bpc than it does a single CR2.
Superconductors were a real problem as yes they were around 100k-300k per item when they were first out, fortunately we eventually managed to find the right convoys to take out to try and get them for free (well other than occasionally losing a ship and the obvious standing hit)
We effectively started selling them at 3-5 million as far as I know but again as someone pointed out we moved them to the all the big markets (yulai, nonni etc etc) and we found that the batches were all bought up and dumped straight back on the market for 2-3 times the price we were selling them for. Why should we lose out on getting all the components together producing the cr2's and then getting them back out to the markets to have someone effectively cream a huge profit by doing nothing than hiking the price? We started selling higher and higher but always below the market average and the stocks still sold within 1 day sometime within 1 hour. Now if people weren't willing to buy them at the inflated price that originally artificially created we would never have had this problem with the current market prices.
My suggestions;
Don't buy them the trouble is someone else will, probably that corp you are fighting.
Increase the rate of production (surprise but I like this one)
Allow bpc creation to be viable for them.
Let agent drops include small runs of all sorts of t2 items nothing to really dent the market but gives lots of people a chance to make their own.
Find the thread in sell forum that relates to the old fart offer.
You could contact me but I've nothing to do with the science geeky side of things and my char is logged in 23x7 so the chances of me actually being there are probably slim and even if you do there isn't much I can do other than try and point to a person that might be able to assist sorry :(
Oh and you may like to know most of my ships still use t1 or named chargers only a few of the elite ships I have use a cr2. Now if you don't mind you interupted my ratting for long enough :)
Cheers
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:22:00 -
[155]
Oh just a couple of things popped into my head.
Don't tell the boss about this post if she sees I told people to consider not buying them she'll be podding me for weeks :)
Oh and to the corp thief that almost destroyed the corp over a year ago (months before I started playing eve) can I just say
Kel
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Kel Kracken
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:22:00 -
[156]
Oh just a couple of things popped into my head.
Don't tell the boss about this post if she sees I told people to consider not buying them she'll be podding me for weeks :)
Oh and to the corp thief that almost destroyed the corp over a year ago (months before I started playing eve) can I just say
Kel
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.24 22:02:00 -
[157]
There just arent enough Cap Recharger II BPOs around to even come close to fufilling the demand. Its a bit absurd that there exists a market which the profit per item is something like 10m, and where 30-odd of said item is produced by each blueprint per day. It makes a mockery of the player economy because its so arbitrairly restricted in supply that it makes most of the already-profitable tech2 markets look absurd by comparison.
Christ, you make as much profit selling 3 cap recharger IIs as someone who took a day and a half to produce a heavy assault cruiser. Its stupid.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.24 22:02:00 -
[158]
There just arent enough Cap Recharger II BPOs around to even come close to fufilling the demand. Its a bit absurd that there exists a market which the profit per item is something like 10m, and where 30-odd of said item is produced by each blueprint per day. It makes a mockery of the player economy because its so arbitrairly restricted in supply that it makes most of the already-profitable tech2 markets look absurd by comparison.
Christ, you make as much profit selling 3 cap recharger IIs as someone who took a day and a half to produce a heavy assault cruiser. Its stupid.
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Soros
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Posted - 2004.12.25 10:02:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Soros on 25/12/2004 10:02:54
I know three people with cap charger II bpo's.
Seniormembersam sells them for 8mil
and when I raider curse they were on the market for 2mil
/me wishes he picked some up
SOROS
-= Soros =-
= Firmux Ixion =
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Soros
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Posted - 2004.12.25 10:02:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Soros on 25/12/2004 10:02:54
I know three people with cap charger II bpo's.
Seniormembersam sells them for 8mil
and when I raider curse they were on the market for 2mil
/me wishes he picked some up
SOROS
-= Soros =-
= Firmux Ixion =
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.25 13:28:00 -
[161]
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each they are tech 2 items tech 2 items are MEANT to be expensive and rare if you cant afford them then just use the tech 1's or modded cap 1's. I dont think its people cornering the market its just the damand is always high so the price rises for a start i know at least 1 CA member with the bpo.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2004.12.25 13:28:00 -
[162]
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each they are tech 2 items tech 2 items are MEANT to be expensive and rare if you cant afford them then just use the tech 1's or modded cap 1's. I dont think its people cornering the market its just the damand is always high so the price rises for a start i know at least 1 CA member with the bpo.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 14:36:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each
cuz they cost like 400k to make maybe?
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 14:36:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Hellspawn666
i dont see wots wrong with 12-15mil each
cuz they cost like 400k to make maybe?
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:25:00 -
[165]
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
So either:
Suck it up and pay the going market price.
or
Don't suck it up and don't pay the price.
And you all can whine as much as you want about the economic simulation side of Eve but I dare anyone here to name another MMOG with as many subscribers that has a better market system.
Yeah what I thought, there isn't one. 
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:25:00 -
[166]
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
So either:
Suck it up and pay the going market price.
or
Don't suck it up and don't pay the price.
And you all can whine as much as you want about the economic simulation side of Eve but I dare anyone here to name another MMOG with as many subscribers that has a better market system.
Yeah what I thought, there isn't one.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:33:00 -
[167]
I dont care how much they cost, I never gonna buy something that overprised and CA supplys me with them anyway
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.25 18:33:00 -
[168]
I dont care how much they cost, I never gonna buy something that overprised and CA supplys me with them anyway
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:36:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
We also hold a limited suply, of angel seraphim battlship BPC's
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:36:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Elrathias
There is a CA in Votf that holds the cap recharger II bpo according to rumors.
Ebil VOTF
Pssssssssst... i also hear the Ebil VOTF hold the secret recipe to Quafe also...
We also hold a limited suply, of angel seraphim battlship BPC's
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:53:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Liza Merth
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
I'm going to say this slowly, although you wont bother to read it anyway.
The problem is not with tech2 as a whole. Aside from Cap Recharger IIs, tech2 manufacturing is working, for the most part. The Cap Recharger II market is broken because of things CCP did - namely the CPR nerf and the Cap Recharger II buff after all of the BPOs had been released for months. That broke the supply. That is why the current situation is so out of whack.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.26 01:53:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Liza Merth
Man hadn't seen so much whining since Miner IIs.
CCP has always said that Tech I will be the tech everyone has ready access too, everyone is entitled to Tech I items. However they's said that Tech 2 and above will become more rare and expensive. I don't see this changing. Therefor you are NOT entitled to tech 2 items. Yes yes I know it's hard to believe that paying your $15 bucks a month doesn't entitle you too everything you want but it doesn't.
I'm going to say this slowly, although you wont bother to read it anyway.
The problem is not with tech2 as a whole. Aside from Cap Recharger IIs, tech2 manufacturing is working, for the most part. The Cap Recharger II market is broken because of things CCP did - namely the CPR nerf and the Cap Recharger II buff after all of the BPOs had been released for months. That broke the supply. That is why the current situation is so out of whack.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.26 03:09:00 -
[173]
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.26 03:09:00 -
[174]
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.26 06:23:00 -
[175]
Well, in real life, when a patent is making an increadible amount of money, you see one of the following things happen:
1. reverse engineering. Supposedly illegal, but with the right team of lawyers you can pull it off. Ask IBM, they'll tell you.
2: A product with different design will emerge that does the same thing. Ask IBM And Apple. They will tell you. It's the only thing stopping Steve Jobs from being 30 times as rich as good ol billy gates today. You can't patent the lightbulb, without having some guy patenting the flourescent tube and ruining your monopoly.
3: Microsoft style monopolies are a different story. This is when a company actively seeks to kill other businesses competing. The governments of most countries will step in to correct these situations, although it may take years and years. In the case of Microsoft, they legal suits will keep on popping up, even if they win their latest one.
The Cap II charger patent monpoly would be perfectly fine if we could develop the Capomatic II, a module with perhaps different fittings, or attributes, but which does the same thing. But we cannot..
personally I don't mind paying for them though. We can look at it as if the game is broken (boo hoo), or we can look at it like it's just the way the rules of the game work, and deal with it. LoL just ask that dude in quake 1, why he was allowed to keep his quad damage monopoly, as long as he tracked it with a spawn timer. The answer is: It's only a game, not real life. Real life mechanics do not always apply, nor can they fully, nor would we want them to. Because in real life my friends, no Dev will help us, when we get dealt an unfair hand.
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.26 06:23:00 -
[176]
Well, in real life, when a patent is making an increadible amount of money, you see one of the following things happen:
1. reverse engineering. Supposedly illegal, but with the right team of lawyers you can pull it off. Ask IBM, they'll tell you.
2: A product with different design will emerge that does the same thing. Ask IBM And Apple. They will tell you. It's the only thing stopping Steve Jobs from being 30 times as rich as good ol billy gates today. You can't patent the lightbulb, without having some guy patenting the flourescent tube and ruining your monopoly.
3: Microsoft style monopolies are a different story. This is when a company actively seeks to kill other businesses competing. The governments of most countries will step in to correct these situations, although it may take years and years. In the case of Microsoft, they legal suits will keep on popping up, even if they win their latest one.
The Cap II charger patent monpoly would be perfectly fine if we could develop the Capomatic II, a module with perhaps different fittings, or attributes, but which does the same thing. But we cannot..
personally I don't mind paying for them though. We can look at it as if the game is broken (boo hoo), or we can look at it like it's just the way the rules of the game work, and deal with it. LoL just ask that dude in quake 1, why he was allowed to keep his quad damage monopoly, as long as he tracked it with a spawn timer. The answer is: It's only a game, not real life. Real life mechanics do not always apply, nor can they fully, nor would we want them to. Because in real life my friends, no Dev will help us, when we get dealt an unfair hand.
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.12.26 17:21:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Lorth
You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
Thats right, and we all fly Jove ships and have full sets of +7 implants. Uh... FA are all dev alts, and we all worship Cthlulabird, the god of insane agent BPO drops.
What else? Oh yeah, the asteroid belts are all full of Uberkonor, the planets are laced with megacyte, and everytime you undock from an FA station, 100M ISK gets put in your wallet for being a generally nice guy.
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.12.26 17:21:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Lorth
You know it seems I have heard that FA has had every tech 2 BPO in the game at one point or anouther.
I once heard, from several sources that fountain had the large armor repaier 2 BPO that was droped by mistake. I can remember hearing it from people all over, however one has never surfaced.
Thats right, and we all fly Jove ships and have full sets of +7 implants. Uh... FA are all dev alts, and we all worship Cthlulabird, the god of insane agent BPO drops.
What else? Oh yeah, the asteroid belts are all full of Uberkonor, the planets are laced with megacyte, and everytime you undock from an FA station, 100M ISK gets put in your wallet for being a generally nice guy.
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njhadesas
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Posted - 2004.12.27 03:56:00 -
[179]
It's really kind of sickening to see people ruining the enjoyment of other's games so entertaining. Seriously does it give you guys a hard on to make over 10000% profit on these things? Grow up and stop acting like spoiled little children.
Until we get some people who aren't so spoiled/selfish, these won't be going under their 10 Mil ISK price. It's really sickening and absurd that they all believe that because of a .01% chance of nerfs/mods happening in such a way, that they did, that they are entitled to hold the rest of the Eve community by the balls on one of the most in demand products in the game. |
njhadesas
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Posted - 2004.12.27 03:56:00 -
[180]
It's really kind of sickening to see people ruining the enjoyment of other's games so entertaining. Seriously does it give you guys a hard on to make over 10000% profit on these things? Grow up and stop acting like spoiled little children.
Until we get some people who aren't so spoiled/selfish, these won't be going under their 10 Mil ISK price. It's really sickening and absurd that they all believe that because of a .01% chance of nerfs/mods happening in such a way, that they did, that they are entitled to hold the rest of the Eve community by the balls on one of the most in demand products in the game. |
Pesadilla
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:03:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Liza Merth
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
there r 2 options
1. u have so very much no clue what ur talking about, or
2. u have the bpo
pls stfu ur giving me a bad headache
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:03:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Liza Merth
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
there r 2 options
1. u have so very much no clue what ur talking about, or
2. u have the bpo
pls stfu ur giving me a bad headache
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.28 08:53:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Pesadilla
Originally by: Liza Merth
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
there r 2 options
1. u have so very much no clue what ur talking about, or
2. u have the bpo
pls stfu ur giving me a bad headache
Actually they're 3 options:
1. You wish you had a bpo thus you whine.
2. You can't afford a cap II thus you whine.
3. You're a noob that wishes eve to bend over to meet you every desire with zero effort on your part thus....you whine!
Get a clue and play the game and stop whining on the boards!
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Liza Merth
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Posted - 2004.12.28 08:53:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Pesadilla
Originally by: Liza Merth
What does that have to do with the current Cap II prices? Supply and demand that's what it's all about.
As long as people are willing to pay the price people will continue to sell them for what they want.
CCP will always nerf buff items in game as they see fit.
Projectiles were king now they are not.
Shield tanking was king now it is not.
Battleships were king not they are not.
They are always changing. And if there wasn't a item called Cap I or mod npc caps then I would say there is a problem. But everyone has access to some version of the cap recharger therefor it comes down to people whining because they feel they are entitled and/or jealous plain and simple.
Nothing is broke, nothing needs to be fixed, if it did CCP would do it and if they plan to they'll do it in their own sweet time when the market is right.
there r 2 options
1. u have so very much no clue what ur talking about, or
2. u have the bpo
pls stfu ur giving me a bad headache
Actually they're 3 options:
1. You wish you had a bpo thus you whine.
2. You can't afford a cap II thus you whine.
3. You're a noob that wishes eve to bend over to meet you every desire with zero effort on your part thus....you whine!
Get a clue and play the game and stop whining on the boards!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.28 09:25:00 -
[185]
Hell, since my little mistake of deleted a character with 750M isk on him, I'm pretty much penniless these days and I'm not complaining about the price of cap recharger II's.
If you don't want to pay the price for them, don't buy 'em.
My only query would be why no other individual has gotten a copy of the BPO by now to weaken the price a little.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.28 09:25:00 -
[186]
Hell, since my little mistake of deleted a character with 750M isk on him, I'm pretty much penniless these days and I'm not complaining about the price of cap recharger II's.
If you don't want to pay the price for them, don't buy 'em.
My only query would be why no other individual has gotten a copy of the BPO by now to weaken the price a little.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2004.12.28 09:40:00 -
[187]
I am given to understand that if some cheaper ones are for sale, they are quickly bought and resold at the higher price...
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2004.12.28 09:40:00 -
[188]
I am given to understand that if some cheaper ones are for sale, they are quickly bought and resold at the higher price...
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Adamus TorK
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Posted - 2005.01.03 23:03:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Adamus TorK on 03/01/2005 23:04:53
Yea, Cap Rech II cost a lot, same problem.
I see only two ways out:
1. Boycott
2. CCP should put in a "modulated" extranamed cap recharger which have the same extras like the tech 2 ... like in weapons... I dont see any price problems around the tech2 Mega Beams, beacuse the Mega Modulated Beams have the same attributes like the tech2, but tech2 use a lot power and need a lot skill, but tech2 never goes expensiver than the modulated, cuz then who would buy an expensive stuff when there is an another which use less pg/cpu?
I was making a calculating while i was traveling in empire, and Cap Rech II's build cost is around 160-170k ISK, while everybody selling it around 11,5-15mill ISK
I'm a manufacturer... got the skills to build it, but never was thinking about to sell it on 15000% profit, and dont think that its really worth it,...
But its a business and it's will cost that much until people buy it that much.
Maybe eve players have too much money?
Oh dear,... but they will have much more if you buy stuff with 15000% profit on it.
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Edited by: Jesilys on 03/01/2005 23:39:56
Eh, its a fair cop. Should be glad CA only got -2- of the bloody BPO's, or that they're even putting any on market at all.
Much as I dislike CA, I've been looking forward to some -regional- variations arising from the research lottery, ie. this alliance specializes in these ship types, that alliance tends to use this module an awful lot. It kinda sorta happened already with the distribution of NPC rats in 0.0 space, but not -quite, as in Apocs and 'geddons in Stain and FIX fleets, Ruptures and Tempests in Curse fleets, etc.
You could just think of Curse members as another 'faction' drone that you can farm for loot (just hella lot more dangerous than NPC's.) I can see theads on the market forums now =>
"WTS: Curse(d) Cap Rechargers" (Tech II CR's.)
We hunted all day, took twenty battleships, but no matter how hard we tried, we couldn't start a Curse spawn. They did drop a few good mods eventually before we packed up and came home.
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