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Celticjim	Posted - 2004.12.20 06:01:00 - [1] Just got into a scrap with an enemy corp, me Tempest, her Raven. Did the math, did 2403.6 dmg on her, and barely 1/8th of her shield gone. I have a short range kitted - 800's - using the various em dmg ammo, and damn, about 6 torps later, I had to skidaddle like a baby running home to mom. Is this even feasible. Skills are not bad with 8 mill in gunnery alone and all trained to 5, but the dmg I was doing was stupidly bad, low of 27.+ to 76.+. Some armour tanking, but was a little nervous to keep the fight going. In retrospect, could have engaged a while longer, but didn't see any change in her shield at all. So..two questions 1. Can short range tempest beat raven? 2. If yes, how the hell does one accomplish that? Any help/suggestions appreciated. CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.12.20 06:01:00 - [2] Just got into a scrap with an enemy corp, me Tempest, her Raven. Did the math, did 2403.6 dmg on her, and barely 1/8th of her shield gone. I have a short range kitted - 800's - using the various em dmg ammo, and damn, about 6 torps later, I had to skidaddle like a baby running home to mom. Is this even feasible. Skills are not bad with 8 mill in gunnery alone and all trained to 5, but the dmg I was doing was stupidly bad, low of 27.+ to 76.+. Some armour tanking, but was a little nervous to keep the fight going. In retrospect, could have engaged a while longer, but didn't see any change in her shield at all. So..two questions 1. Can short range tempest beat raven? 2. If yes, how the hell does one accomplish that? Any help/suggestions appreciated. CJ
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.12.20 06:21:00 - [3] it cant unless you use ew and even then its tough. See section = Very unbalanced You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Lord Anubis	Posted - 2004.12.20 06:21:00 - [4] it cant unless you use ew and even then its tough. See section = Very unbalanced You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:33:00 - [5] if you have that much in gunnery and u lost then u must of screwed up somewhere while attacking him either that or the rest of ure setup was not good enough to match his close range tempest setups can beat ravens although i must admit while flying my tempest 1v1 raven is my hardest enemy. There is absolutly nothing wrong with the temepst and close range its just its artillary that is completly usless. How much damage u did on her doesnt matter its about how much damage over time u did. stick some smartbombs on and ull soon see ureself taking far less damage.
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:33:00 - [6] if you have that much in gunnery and u lost then u must of screwed up somewhere while attacking him either that or the rest of ure setup was not good enough to match his close range tempest setups can beat ravens although i must admit while flying my tempest 1v1 raven is my hardest enemy. There is absolutly nothing wrong with the temepst and close range its just its artillary that is completly usless. How much damage u did on her doesnt matter its about how much damage over time u did. stick some smartbombs on and ull soon see ureself taking far less damage.
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:35:00 - [7] 2xneutralizer, 2xheavy nos, 4xsiege mwd, scrambler, 3x cap recharger II 2x large AR, 3x hardener, cap relay easy isnt it? _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:35:00 - [8] 2xneutralizer, 2xheavy nos, 4xsiege mwd, scrambler, 3x cap recharger II 2x large AR, 3x hardener, cap relay easy isnt it? _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:59:00 - [9] 3 damps, and hes redused to FoF's ... -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.20 08:59:00 - [10] 3 damps, and hes redused to FoF's ... -------------------------------------------
Golgrath	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:05:00 - [11] now that defender missiles are fixed you could try 2 rocket launchers with defenders you can try 800mm II's with 6 dmg mods too, dmg is about the same as gankagedddon
Golgrath	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:05:00 - [12] now that defender missiles are fixed you could try 2 rocket launchers with defenders you can try 800mm II's with 6 dmg mods too, dmg is about the same as gankagedddon
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:11:00 - [13] Throw on a nice armor tank, suck his cap dry, and torp him to death.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:11:00 - [14] Throw on a nice armor tank, suck his cap dry, and torp him to death.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:17:00 - [15] close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:17:00 - [16] close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:37:00 - [17] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 20/12/2004 11:36:59 3 arbalest rl's with defenders should hold her cruise/torps at bay. then fit whatever else you think you might need. edit: his/her mixup .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:37:00 - [18] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 20/12/2004 11:36:59 3 arbalest rl's with defenders should hold her cruise/torps at bay. then fit whatever else you think you might need. edit: his/her mixup .
siim	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Hakera close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Not sure bout that. Raven has one of the best tanks in the game everyone knows that projectiles r **** so a Tempest can beat a raven who has to have very low skills
siim	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Hakera close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Not sure bout that. Raven has one of the best tanks in the game everyone knows that projectiles r **** so a Tempest can beat a raven who has to have very low skills
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:49:00 - [21] Originally by: siim Originally by: Hakera close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Not sure bout that. Raven has one of the best tanks in the game everyone knows that projectiles r **** so a Tempest can beat a raven who has to have very low skills Raven has one of the best tanks in game ?? since when ?? If you replaced the word Raven with Tempest in your post I might agree. Close range Tempests can have one of the best tanks in game. To the poster, yes my/a close range Tempest can beat a Raven. Only with Cap drainers or very good missle defence ie rocket launchers ideally. Straight up damage trading it dont matter how good your armour tank is the Raven will kill you before you kill him, you need to stem his damage and effect his cap ie defence. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:49:00 - [22] Originally by: siim Originally by: Hakera close range tempest always wins. i used dual 650mm scouts & heavy nos. only problem was if he was too far away outside the dmg range of the 650's where theytear him apart :) Not sure bout that. Raven has one of the best tanks in the game everyone knows that projectiles r **** so a Tempest can beat a raven who has to have very low skills Raven has one of the best tanks in game ?? since when ?? If you replaced the word Raven with Tempest in your post I might agree. Close range Tempests can have one of the best tanks in game. To the poster, yes my/a close range Tempest can beat a Raven. Only with Cap drainers or very good missle defence ie rocket launchers ideally. Straight up damage trading it dont matter how good your armour tank is the Raven will kill you before you kill him, you need to stem his damage and effect his cap ie defence. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
The Dark	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:54:00 - [23] the answer is YES. we were testing a raven V tempest... apoc V tempest... mega V tempest... the tempest came out on top... no defenders or smartbombs were used.. just pure hitting damage with 800s. damage mod of 5.7, ROF of 2.10.... WITH a nice defence. nothing can tank it... the opponent dies before hes had time get through the reasonable defence of the tempest. Tempest with good skills and interesting setup is VERY good. more so now with the boost to ABs... you just need to use your imagination. he will be willing to show u if u insist.
The Dark	Posted - 2004.12.20 11:54:00 - [24] the answer is YES. we were testing a raven V tempest... apoc V tempest... mega V tempest... the tempest came out on top... no defenders or smartbombs were used.. just pure hitting damage with 800s. damage mod of 5.7, ROF of 2.10.... WITH a nice defence. nothing can tank it... the opponent dies before hes had time get through the reasonable defence of the tempest. Tempest with good skills and interesting setup is VERY good. more so now with the boost to ABs... you just need to use your imagination. he will be willing to show u if u insist.
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:22:00 - [25] sigh..ok...at the risk of being made fun of the public , here's how my tempest was set up High 6x800 - emp/phased/titanium sabot for the armour on part 1x arbalest siege 1x limos rocket - Defenders Mid Webifier - wanted to keep transverse down Monopulse Tracking - Cap Recharges - 2x Last - damn...can't remember Low Pneumatic Stab Tracking boost of some kind Gyro II Large Armour Medium Armour last - can't recall that one either This being typed from work and going from memory. Now I wasn't shatting about the gunnery, all skills are maxed for projectile and support gunnery skills. Only thing lacking is Bship V. My only defense to this is it has been a damn long time since I pvp'ed, so any suggestions, or *****s upside the head to set me straight are greatly appreciated. CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:22:00 - [26] sigh..ok...at the risk of being made fun of the public , here's how my tempest was set up High 6x800 - emp/phased/titanium sabot for the armour on part 1x arbalest siege 1x limos rocket - Defenders Mid Webifier - wanted to keep transverse down Monopulse Tracking - Cap Recharges - 2x Last - damn...can't remember Low Pneumatic Stab Tracking boost of some kind Gyro II Large Armour Medium Armour last - can't recall that one either This being typed from work and going from memory. Now I wasn't shatting about the gunnery, all skills are maxed for projectile and support gunnery skills. Only thing lacking is Bship V. My only defense to this is it has been a damn long time since I pvp'ed, so any suggestions, or *****s upside the head to set me straight are greatly appreciated. CJ
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 20/12/2004 18:26:54 6x Siege 2x Medium Nos 1x XL Clarity 3x Hardener 1x Heavy Electrochemical w/800 1x Warp Disruptor 4x Ballistic Control 1x RCU II This raven will kill every tempest you throw at it. Close range is even worse for the tempest because it cannot possibly use defenders to good effect. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 20/12/2004 18:26:54 6x Siege 2x Medium Nos 1x XL Clarity 3x Hardener 1x Heavy Electrochemical w/800 1x Warp Disruptor 4x Ballistic Control 1x RCU II This raven will kill every tempest you throw at it. Close range is even worse for the tempest because it cannot possibly use defenders to good effect. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:38:00 - [29] You didnt have enough cap recharge, its a good thing you left early, because with that setup he would have won. Not making fun of your setup at all, but you need more staying power. You have plenty of powergrid with the Tempest at max skills, so 2x heavy nos should be standard. Or try one heavy nos and a heavy neutralizer. Get the cap recharge up by using tech2 cap rechargers, a standard armor tank setup with 2 large (preferably named) repairers, and fit whatever weapons you have cpu/grid to fit. The cap drainers/neutralizers will win the battle for you, and make sure you fit a scrambler. Have fun.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.12.20 18:38:00 - [30] You didnt have enough cap recharge, its a good thing you left early, because with that setup he would have won. Not making fun of your setup at all, but you need more staying power. You have plenty of powergrid with the Tempest at max skills, so 2x heavy nos should be standard. Or try one heavy nos and a heavy neutralizer. Get the cap recharge up by using tech2 cap rechargers, a standard armor tank setup with 2 large (preferably named) repairers, and fit whatever weapons you have cpu/grid to fit. The cap drainers/neutralizers will win the battle for you, and make sure you fit a scrambler. Have fun.

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