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Chukker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.23 01:46:00 -
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New to incursions and have only heard of these two parties
Who are they? And from what I saw in the incursion channel there is drama?
And since I would like to try an incursion I have a pirate BS shield tanked which would be better to fly with and how do I go about joining one of there fleets?
Thank you for your time |
John Rando
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:10:00 -
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ISD are highly organized super pro vanguard runners and I'm pretty sure TVP runs assaults/HQ almost exclusively? It's been a while since I've done incursions so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Both are shield fleets but typically you don't want to bring one of them fancy pirate ships into the big boy sites. |
goldiiee
Superior Ratio
High Sec Dropouts
9
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:37:00 -
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TVP and ISN are both dedicated Incursion running communities keeping experienced FCGÇÖs running as many hours a day as possible. ISN has higher requirements primarily T2 large guns if youGÇÖre flying a BS. TVP will allow any dedicated pilot in a fleet they also have the Pilot numbers to compensate for slightly less than optimal pilots and make a fleet composition work.
Conversely ISN with higher requirements finds it a little more challenging to field fleets on the same scale as TVP. Both communities have strong feeling about how Incursions should be run, and the drama spills into local and Pub channels on a daily basis. As far as picking a community I would say to join the channel GÇÿThe Valhalla ProjectGÇÖ and GÇÿISN SecondaryGÇÖ get into a fleet from both of them and try it out for a week the community that fits your game GÇÿplay timeGÇÖ and personality will help you make your decision.
As far as ISN is concerned if you fly in a TVP fleet and have T2 guns you are free to fly in an ISN fleet when we have a slot available for you. I think the drama from this week has eliminated the ability for many pilots to X up for TVP fleet as many were banned from their channel for flying in an ISN MOM site fleet. The situations will probably work itself out in a few weeks.
In the meantime get your ship fitted up. Join the two channels and link your fit in the chat.
Be prepared for much debate about how you can make it work better and what you have obviously done, wrong or right,
DonGÇÖt pay to much heed to this it is mostly a hazing for all pilots when they first start.
You will have to have TS3 installed for either community as it is the go to coms for all fleets
When you get in a fleet donGÇÖt be afraid to ask questions, any FC worth his salt should be more than happy to teach you anything you need to know on how to make ISK and not lose your ship.
If you have more questions convo Me 'Goldiiee' and i will do my best ot give you the answer or point you in the right direction. |
Chukker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:51:00 -
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Thx Goldiiee that really helped :)
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Sykeout
The Abusement Park
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:20:00 -
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To comment on ISN. I am 2 weeks into Incursions. I know I know late to the party. I have heard them bad mouthed for being elitist, but they accepted me brand spanking new to incursions taught me how they work how to fit for them and how to make lots of ISK. They are a great group of guys that I really enjoy flying with and will continue to fly with. Join ISN Secondary and come have a blast and make great isk. |
MrWacko
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:40:00 -
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ISN = Incursion Shiny Network, TVP = The Valhalla Project. Goldiee's description is fairly accurate. Try to ignore the drama itself as best you can, its complicated, and there really isn't a right or wrong side to it. Given enough time it'll eventually pass.
ISN is more specialized, as goldiiee stated. Much higher fitting requirements, and you must fly a pirate battleship or logi. Occasionally a Loki or Tier 3 battlecruiser will get you in, but those are either singleton ships, or for one specific site, so have something else.
TVP is more kitchen sink style, running with whoever happens to be on. TVP requires a T2 shield tank, but beyond that what you fly is your business. Use common sense though for ship selection, you're unlikely to get into a fleet in a frigate.
Given what you can fly, I'd suggest you join both channels Goldiiee stated ("The Valhalla Project" and "ISN Secondary"). Both are different, with mostly different folks running in each. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
101
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:06:00 -
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There are a few other communities you've missed, OP. Most notably, BTL Pub, the first really big incursion channel. (for shields anyway) It's still up and going should you want to give it a try. It used to be the largest community by far until vanguards got nerfed, at which point HQs got really popular and TVP exploded.
There's also The Ditanian Fleet, should you want to run armor. It's also been around for quite a while.
Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Keith Planck
Ashton Technologies
Ignore This.
349
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:41:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:There are a few other communities you've missed, OP. Most notably, BTL Pub, the first really big incursion channel. (for shields anyway) It's still up and going should you want to give it a try. It used to be the largest community by far until vanguards got nerfed, at which point HQs got really popular and TVP exploded.
There's also The Ditanian Fleet, should you want to run armor. It's also been around for quite a while.
Theres also SAQ.D and Din-Flottin and the ever illusive Pony-Brigade :3 |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
102
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:51:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:There are a few other communities you've missed, OP. Most notably, BTL Pub, the first really big incursion channel. (for shields anyway) It's still up and going should you want to give it a try. It used to be the largest community by far until vanguards got nerfed, at which point HQs got really popular and TVP exploded.
There's also The Ditanian Fleet, should you want to run armor. It's also been around for quite a while. Theres also SAQ.D and Din-Flottin and the ever illusive Pony-Brigade :3
True that, though I'm not sure how many are up and running atm? I think SAQD plans to start after OTAs get tweaked.
Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
35
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:09:00 -
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Bump
Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much. |
Sturmwolke
273
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:11:00 -
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It's Garfield vs Hobbes |
Mexan Caderu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:19:00 -
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The drama mentioned above is the following:
'the agreement communities' vs ISN
agreement communities: TVP, btl, TDF and a few more.
* The agreement: to maximize ISK, several shield and armor tanking communities agreed to NOT kill the mothership site unless the incursion is "withdrawing". Killing that site means incursion despawns, and you move 10-20-30 jumps to a new incursion (if it's up)
* ISN: Fk the agreement, we'll kill the mom site when it's convenient to us, you're not the boss of us. Oh, this incursion where TVP/BTL/TDF etc communities have been active has low sansha influence. Let's run sites there. What do you mean we should go to another incursion ? we'll have to work in that 1 to keep the influence down and it will cut in our isk/h ratio, we can't have that. We'll just sponge off "the agreement" communities and we'll kill off the mothership site before the "withdraw" phase, to be sure WE get the isk from it.
Disclaimer: I'm not involved in any management for the agreement communities or ISN, I'm just a regular joe with some free time. |
Bozl1n
Shiva
The Retirement Club
9
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:57:00 -
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Mexan Caderu wrote:The drama mentioned above is the following:
'the agreement communities' vs ISN
agreement communities: TVP, btl, TDF and a few more.
* The agreement: to maximize ISK, several shield and armor tanking communities agreed to NOT kill the mothership site unless the incursion is "withdrawing". Killing that site means incursion despawns, and you move 10-20-30 jumps to a new incursion (if it's up). One mom site is killed by shield fleets, one by armor fleets, one is contested between the 2. All happen when mom site in "withdrawing".
* ISN: Fk the agreement, we'll kill the mom site when it's convenient to us, you're not the boss of us. Oh, this incursion where TVP/BTL/TDF etc communities have been active has low sansha influence. Let's run sites there. What do you mean we should go to another incursion ? we'll have to work in that 1 to keep the influence down and it will cut in our isk/h ratio, we can't have that. We'll just sponge off "the agreement" communities and we'll kill off the mothership site before the "withdraw" phase, to be sure WE get the isk from it.
Disclaimer: I'm not involved in any management for the agreement communities or ISN, I'm just a regular joe with some free time.
You talk like ISN cant bring down the bar ourselves ......
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:15:00 -
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Bozl1n wrote:Mexan Caderu wrote:The drama mentioned above is the following:
'the agreement communities' vs ISN
agreement communities: TVP, btl, TDF and a few more.
* The agreement: to maximize ISK, several shield and armor tanking communities agreed to NOT kill the mothership site unless the incursion is "withdrawing". Killing that site means incursion despawns, and you move 10-20-30 jumps to a new incursion (if it's up). One mom site is killed by shield fleets, one by armor fleets, one is contested between the 2. All happen when mom site in "withdrawing".
* ISN: Fk the agreement, we'll kill the mom site when it's convenient to us, you're not the boss of us. Oh, this incursion where TVP/BTL/TDF etc communities have been active has low sansha influence. Let's run sites there. What do you mean we should go to another incursion ? we'll have to work in that 1 to keep the influence down and it will cut in our isk/h ratio, we can't have that. We'll just sponge off "the agreement" communities and we'll kill off the mothership site before the "withdraw" phase, to be sure WE get the isk from it.
Disclaimer: I'm not involved in any management for the agreement communities or ISN, I'm just a regular joe with some free time. You talk like ISN cant bring down the bar ourselves ......
ISN could not bring down the bar themselves immediately after the Escalation NERF
After the 'nine tenths rollback' they probably could after a couple days in non amarr space ( in amarr space probably sooner )
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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:35:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Bozl1n wrote:Mexan Caderu wrote:The drama mentioned above is the following:
'the agreement communities' vs ISN
agreement communities: TVP, btl, TDF and a few more.
* The agreement: to maximize ISK, several shield and armor tanking communities agreed to NOT kill the mothership site unless the incursion is "withdrawing". Killing that site means incursion despawns, and you move 10-20-30 jumps to a new incursion (if it's up). One mom site is killed by shield fleets, one by armor fleets, one is contested between the 2. All happen when mom site in "withdrawing".
* ISN: Fk the agreement, we'll kill the mom site when it's convenient to us, you're not the boss of us. Oh, this incursion where TVP/BTL/TDF etc communities have been active has low sansha influence. Let's run sites there. What do you mean we should go to another incursion ? we'll have to work in that 1 to keep the influence down and it will cut in our isk/h ratio, we can't have that. We'll just sponge off "the agreement" communities and we'll kill off the mothership site before the "withdraw" phase, to be sure WE get the isk from it.
Disclaimer: I'm not involved in any management for the agreement communities or ISN, I'm just a regular joe with some free time. You talk like ISN cant bring down the bar ourselves ...... ISN could not bring down the bar themselves immediately after the Escalation NERF After the 'nine tenths rollback' they probably could after a couple days in non amarr space ( in amarr space probably sooner )
Darth
After seeing your post my freinds decided to do this just for you.
ISN from start to MOM in 11 hours Reya Incursion 8/Sept/2012, 01:00.
Great B-day present for me, from a great group of friends.
Doublly so thanks to your Post. It is rare that within a few hours of a fool opening his mouth and then getting to see him eating his words.
I am sure there will be a plethora of excuses of how ISN must have done something, or that this is post nerf constelation control, and so on and so forth, But i do recall the last time ISN was not in Serge's Incursion: Serge sent me a mail asking if we 'ISN' could come get it down for them.
Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much. |
Chandra K'ailar
I'm So Cool
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:47:00 -
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Guys this is not a PvP fight here, u are all getting out of contest. The OP is trying to find a group to fly with not starting to see all that crap u typing abve. So with that said, Chukker u should try the groups stated above, see what u really want (shield or armor) and see where u fit and have fun!
Shield:
ISN Secondary
The Valhalla Project
SAQ.D
Din-Flottin
Armor:
The Ditanian Fleet
Have fun, and get rich. o7
Chan
Are u new to EVE, or just a old player who got back? Tired of your old corp?
Check our Public channel, "Darkstar Recruitment" |
Maraudian
Recursions
6
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:48:00 -
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Quote:Liberation of Reya complete
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2012.09.08 01:13
Maraudian
Reya has been freed from the invading Sansha forces. Your efforts in this matter have not gone unnoticed and we are awarding you loyalty points. More details can be found in the Journal.
In addition, we wish to honor the following pilots, whose individual contribution exceeded everyone else:
1 0bscurum Skord 110821
2 Yeyra 110821
3 Maraudian 110821
4 KarlSteiner 110821
5 drifter1357 110821
6 Chandra K'ailar 103665
7 Judge Ment 98416
8 4Manimal 92045
9 dark102042 Arzi 86866
CONCORD
ALL ISN! |
Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet
Corrosive.
7
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:09:00 -
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Chandra K'ailar wrote:
Din-Flottin
DIN-Flotten |
DSin3
Evil Guinea Pigs
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 02:23:00 -
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ISN are the goons of HS. They go out their way to contest TVP sites. They will always win the contest as TVP accepts all ships and not only the shiney's. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:15:00 -
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ISN are heels, TVP are faces. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:42:00 -
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Now i really want to see the Garfield vs Hobbes and Azrael vs Snarf fights.
Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Herr Ronin
The Syndemic
287
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:54:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Now i really want to see the Garfield vs Hobbes and Azrael vs Snarf fights.
Can i come?
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Diesel47
painkiller.
315
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:24:00 -
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rofl |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
635
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Posted - 2012.11.16 12:44:00 -
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Site contests are about the only fun thing in Incursions. Was my favourite reason for joining ISN way back when.
I should do Incursions again sometime.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Logix42
Project Write Down All The Things
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Posted - 2012.11.16 14:33:00 -
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Chandra K'ailar wrote:Guys this is not a PvP fight here, u are all getting out of contest. The OP is trying to find a group to fly with not starting to see all that crap u typing abve. So with that said, Chukker u should try the groups stated above, see what u really want (shield or armor) and see where u fit and have fun!
Shield:
ISN Secondary
The Valhalla Project
SAQ.D
Din-Flotten
Armor:
The Ditanian Fleet
Have fun, and get rich. o7
Chan
This. Also, SAQD, Nut House and some others have recently merged to form the new channel Phoenix Incursions they seem to be fairly active so would be another good channel to join
Fly safe
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Zwo Zateki
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:34:00 -
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Chukker wrote:New to incursions and have only heard of these two parties
Who are they? And from what I saw in the incursion channel there is drama?
And since I would like to try an incursion I have a pirate BS shield tanked which would be better to fly with and how do I go about joining one of there fleets?
Thank you for your time
Basically ISN have started killing moms early and disrupting incursion farming. Hence the drama. As mentioned before, ISN are goons of incursions and outcasts so flying with them will get you nowhere. Join TVP for common fleets and DIN, SAQD and ICU for elite fleets. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
553
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:55:00 -
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Removed some trolling. Keep discussions civil.
Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Mexan Caderu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:57:00 -
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maybe the agreement communities should change the agreed mom killing time from "Withdrawing" to "Mobilizing", to keep things interesting
I'm sure ISN will approve
rite? RITE? |
Kodavor
Jesus Saves 1 .
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:05:00 -
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Mexan Caderu wrote:maybe the agreement communities should change the agreed mom killing time from "Withdrawing" to "Mobilizing", to keep things interesting
I'm sure ISN will approve
rite? RITE?
Not really . For ISN it would not matter the least bit .
Best regards
Kodavor . |
Zwo Zateki
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:19:00 -
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Mexan Caderu wrote:maybe the agreement communities should change the agreed mom killing time from "Withdrawing" to "Mobilizing", to keep things interesting
I'm sure ISN will approve
rite? RITE?
Then ISN will kill the mom as soon as it spawns. Even if there is no other highsec incursion. We have seen this before.
ISN = Brick Squad of 2011 = griefers. |
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