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ragnar malice
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Posted - 2010.08.04 20:53:00 -
[1831]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up.
Trolling is not allowed on the forums.
I haven't been playing Eve that long, but in the time I've been here I've been quite the forum lurker. It's a good way of picking up knowledge about the game.
Something I've noticed in that time is that CCP isn't particularly professional with regard to the way their staff are expected to conduct themselves on the forum (or many of you are crossing a line frequently and your managers aren't sanctioning you).
Even with your "standard" for conduct, this post is particularly... bonkers. When your colleague started this thread he was either smoking something or he was intentionally trolling. Would you care to respond on the double standard you're obviously applying here?
Honestly, I would have used the report post function, but I'm concerned that *I* might have subsequently been unfairly sanctioned.
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Miiis Sweety
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:05:00 -
[1832]
CCP Zymurgist
10/10 for trolling. Good job.
I did go look at the games, never heard of them.
Voted for Eve. Forget Icarna, delete PI.
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coeathal vega
Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:10:00 -
[1833]
Haha, epic thread. Props for the balls Zymurgist.
I didn't vote for EVE. It's been in a rapid decline since I started playing in 2006. Sad. One day it will end :( ----
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:28:00 -
[1834]
Actually it was pretty good up until dominion, apocrypha was the best eve has ever been. Dominion was when ccp took a dump on the game that made them.
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coeathal vega
Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:29:00 -
[1835]
that is true, Apocrypha was one of the best expansions. Then it went to ****. But GUYS WE GOT SHINEY PLANETS YA ----
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
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Posted - 2010.08.04 21:54:00 -
[1836]
No
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Kandarus
Minmatar Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:19:00 -
[1837]
In before the thread mysteriously disappears...
Eve used to be the only game I played. I am currently trying out other games to vote for ... oh well.
Btw, my stuffs die with my character if it comes to that. Haha
Oh noes: "Time Flux Detected You are going too fast! Wait five minutes and try again."
Does anything related to eve work anymore???
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:41:00 -
[1838]
Originally by: Bomberlocks Hey CCP, thanks for deleting my post, commenting on the GM communication between them and dear Tristan. Unfortunately, I got a local copy before you deleted it. Since it was quite revealing about CCP's true intentions, I going to have a think about what I should do with that local copy, copied as it was off a public space.
It can also be found on http://www.eve-search.com for those interested... and it is an interesting post, one that I won't try to read to far into. I just hope CCP isn't lumping together everyone in this thread, because there are some people genuinely trying to help and posting useful criticism. If they are then, well, I guess we only think we can sway CCP, but in the end they do whatever they want.
I think that's the problem CCP, the majority of people playing LOVE new content, but they love working mechanics and bug fixes even more. CCP has been doing whatever it wants, which means more shinny stuff to attract new accounts. However, this isn't what the players want. I realize that, as a company, you have a responsibility to do whatever makes you more money, regardless of how much you may love the core game on an individual level, if adding in sparkling vampires generated 3 million new paying accounts, you'd probably do it. So I guess if the players only think they can sway opinion, and CCP will always do what it wants... then there's nothing we can do and no point to this. Now, despite this self evident fact, and I'm not trying to be insulting here, a business doing whatever it takes to generate money is just common sense, but despite this fact, you have a pretty hardcore community here. If they feel like a 100 page thread-naught and bad press is the only way to get your attention, they will go for it.
I just hope you don't toss out all opinions in this post as a bunch of loud-mouths. Most of us have invested enough time and money in Eve we want to see it succeed, we're trying to post useful advice and criticism. If you have to push this new content out the door then fine, do so, but make us a promise that bugs will be fixed before the next round. The problem I feel you are running into is that players don't trust your word anymore if you did make such a promise. I feel that, if CCP came down and said "Give us 18 months to finish what we've started, and after that, no new content until fixes" that players would be happy...-IF- they trusted that you would do that. They don't though, they've heard too many times that a fix will occur SoonÖ or after the next patch (after turns out to be anytime after, not immediately after). You keep saying you are working on lag, but it's been 9 months since Dominion and lag reared it's ugly head and people don't see progress. That's what matters in the eyes of the players.
You could have 1 person working on bugs, fixes, lag, and UI and never say a word about it. If it was all getting fixed then players wouldn't be able to complain about it. Yet over and over again we hear how hard you are working on it and how you've dedicated X number of people to fixing that issue. None of this matters though as we don't see the improvements! It's the difference between you saying the servers are in the best condition they've ever been in from a technical standpoint, and the players saying "we still can't have fleet fights, rockets don't work, UI is messed, etc etc". All the numbers don't matter if you don't show progress.
Sorry, all this has been said a million times over, but I'm worried that CCP is glossing over this entire thread, weather they say so or not. I still love Eve, no I am not quitting, I do look forward to WIS. HOWEVER! that doesn't mean that I'm happy with the current state of things. I'm unhappy because your player base sets a very high bar for your game, near perfection. We know you won't always hit it, but when you get very close (AKA Apocrypha) we praise you.... {cont}
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:48:00 -
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{cont from above} When you fall below (AKA Dominion) we chastise you a bit and complain about things like lag. For your entire forums to be up in arms they way they are shows that you have fallen very far below our expectations. You are not, in our eyes, showing the Excellence you said you would. Your game, OUR game, is drifting in the wrong direction, not necessary in content, but in attitude. You let bugs, known flaws in your game, stagnate without any attention on them and no progress (again, it's progress that matters, not words).
We are, I believe, a very hardcore community. When someone quits over griefing or unfair mechanics, we say HTFU and ask for their stuff, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Yet I've seen remarkably few comments in this thread involving stuff and it being contracted over, and a large number of players letting accounts lapse. People that normally don't agree are doing so...
Ok, I'm done... listen to the players CCP, then make a decisions. Either start acting on some of that, or give up the pretense of listening at all. Some will say that having a voice is better than nothing, but I can't shake the feeling that if CCP doesn't act on some of the things the players want, not all, just some, then there isn't any use in having a voice. I could put time into something else instead of making long posts like this hoping that CCP will hear me.
-BBK
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Nedefeg
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:07:00 -
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bump keep this up guys
seems like the rage is fading away and is slowly replaced by a sad acceptance that CCP wont fix eve
objective achieved ccp? anyways , even if all that has to be said is said...keep this thread up guys , the more publicity it gets the better
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TempSniper
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:24:00 -
[1841]
CCP the eve online community has called you out.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:49:00 -
[1842]
Originally by: TempSniper CCP the eve online community has called you out.
Would that be the same eve online community that in their complete ignorance are complaining that the mass testing (which will stress test experimental code) should be tested on the live server?
Woe is me, why do they not listen to the masses?
===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:58:00 -
[1843]
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Bomberlocks Hey CCP, thanks for deleting my post, commenting on the GM communication between them and dear Tristan. Unfortunately, I got a local copy before you deleted it. Since it was quite revealing about CCP's true intentions, I going to have a think about what I should do with that local copy, copied as it was off a public space.
It can also be found on http://www.eve-search.com for those interested... and it is an interesting post, one that I won't try to read to far into. I just hope CCP isn't lumping together everyone in this thread, because there are some people genuinely trying to help and posting useful criticism. If they are then, well, I guess we only think we can sway CCP, but in the end they do whatever they want.....
Yeah, you phrased it better than I did. I didn't know if they were humouring Tristan or if they are genuinely convinced that their current course of action is the right one. One from which they won't deviate no matter how much bad press they get.
Sadly, given Zulu's original disaster post, trying to hell us how AWESOME and UNIQUE all the new stuff will be and how we should just think about that, and given how no one from CCP has yet to comment on the actual question of priorities, just a lot of developers telling us how much they like the game and how hard they're working, and Hillmar(sp?) telling us "how passionate we are", I tend to think they won't change a thing.
I won't quit this character because I intend to get as much out of the game as I can before it dies, which probably won't be soon, but I'm pretty sure that CP will make a mess out of the Incarna or WoD beta and will leave it in that state, by which time, I'm pretty sure even the diehard loyalists will be quitting in disgust.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:08:00 -
[1844]
39 more pages until threadnought evolves into threadtitan!
we can do it!
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Sol Silvas
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:09:00 -
[1845]
To: Know-it-all EvE-player/basement dev. CC: Pro EvE-hax0r. Message: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
Regards, Sol
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:10:00 -
[1846]
Originally by: Sol Silvas To: Know-it-all EvE-player/basement dev. CC: Pro EvE-hax0r. Message: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
Regards, Sol
No thanks, I don't want to spend all day coding "/dance" macros.
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Sol Silvas
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:15:00 -
[1847]
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Sol Silvas To: Know-it-all EvE-player/basement dev. CC: Pro EvE-hax0r. Message: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
Regards, Sol
No thanks, I don't want to spend all day coding "/dance" macros.
Ah, I take it you're a pro EvE-hax0r then!
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:20:00 -
[1848]
Originally by: Ranger 1 ...
Would that be the same eve online community that in their complete ignorance are complaining that the mass testing (which will stress test experimental code) should be tested on the live server?
Woe is me, why do they not listen to the masses?
As I and others have pointed out, there are very good reasons why the testing should be done on the live server:
- Number one (IMO) is the fact that really bad lag has been regularly experienced in systems with sometimes as little as one person in it. The logical consequence is that large amounts of players make the problem much worse, for obvious reasons, but that the core of the problem does not lie with the numbers of players in space. - People have put forward a number of suggestions as to what causes the lag, namely new features added since dominion, such as the Fleet Finder, Eve Gate, PI or even the new sov mechanics which are much more complex than the old ones. Personally, I would tend to go with some backend code that deals with how priority is assigned to a node, but it's a pure guess as I have no idea. - The belief is that unless CCP monitors the live situation, they will not get an accurate picture of what is happening, as the stress on the server on Sisi is nothing compared to the stress on TQ and it may well be an accumulated effect of total server stress that affects lag. This is not something you can accurately reproduce on Sisi. - Finally, the mass fleet testing has been going on for at least 6 months now with no visible signs of improvement. In fact, it has gotten worse since Tyrannis was recently introduced. There is a rising belief amongst the affected players is that CCP is either incapable of fixing the lag, or they do not care and are simply doing the tests to show that they are doing "something".
People would like to see some results from the lag testing that has been going on. That's why they are increasingly unable to take CCP at its word.
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:50:00 -
[1849]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up.
Trolling is not allowed on the forums.
This thread was troll bait.
How did you expect it to turn out? Sunshine and roses?
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Shaleen
Minmatar Beach Boys Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:56:00 -
[1850]
Why CCP cant realize we just want to fly ships and shoot each other without any lag and NOT walk in the stations or harvest bloody planets. If I wanted the harvesting experience I would have played Farmer. Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.08.05 00:57:00 -
[1851]
Originally by: Shaleen Why CCP cant realize we just want to fly ships and shoot each other without any lag and NOT walk in the stations or harvest bloody planets. If I wanted the harvesting experience I would have played Farmer.
This ^^^ -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Ham2000
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Posted - 2010.08.05 01:19:00 -
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Just had a read on Eve-search.com, does look like the devs dont give a s**t about this thread or the players so I think its time we all sent actual physical mail to them, anyone have CCP headquarters address lying about?
So quick question, what happens when all people in 0.0 leave, or all old players leave, new players need older players to help them out and without that you probably get maybe a month before they quit, could CCP post figures showing where the majority of income comes from? Say is it long standing CUSTOMERS or new ones and how long in general do new ones hang about before cancelling?
If CCP doesnt care about the bad press they are getting, it may just break the company, why would anyone buy or subscribe to anything they release if their flagship product is let down so badly because they are doing 'other stuff', it makes people think that that will eventually happen to whatever else is currently flavour of the month.
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Ascendent. On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.08.05 01:51:00 -
[1853]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up.
Trolling is not allowed on the forums.
Excuse me, the OP in this thread is a troll post to start with, seriously you are the biggest hypocrite and dumbest community manager CCP has applebabe.
CCP Applebabe talking to Nathan: Hmm, the vote thread seems to be dying down a bit, I think I should go poke it with a stick and **** off the players even more. Nathan: Sure go right ahead, its not like we give a **** about them anyway.
Bloody hypocrites CCP, you troll us with this thread and then complain when we troll you back. HTFU CCP, HTFU!
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Kleus Flek
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:05:00 -
[1854]
I have to say that seeing all this negative PR in middle of my free five days, (only five days? Thanks so much. ) has me thinking I'll take the 9.99 first month and play with my new alt missile boat empire hugger and let the sub lapse.
Seems that most in this thread have a valid point. Unfortunately, none of us have to power to correct this situation. We can only vote with our wallets. I call those who feel like CCP is seriously screwing up to stop spending as much money on it. Let a second or third account fall to the wayside for now. buy one less PLEX however often you buy them.
This thread honestly means diddle to anyone who has the power to correct the issues at hand. Cash is the only motivation when it boils down to it. Those who say otherwise are just PR spinners and I seriously hope no one here is buying it. Applebabe - for that no trolling allowed statement, I lol in your general direction. This whole thread is a massive trollnaught.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:30:00 -
[1855]
***FIX THE GAME...DO EET!***
Bumpage
Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion King
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Sha Dar
eXceeded
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:49:00 -
[1856]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe This thread has been cleaned up.
Trolling is not allowed on the forums.
Lol, you gotta be joking right ? There's more trolling from CCP than being directed at it. |
RutilusUnus
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Posted - 2010.08.05 03:45:00 -
[1857]
CCP we want to play the game. We love this game. We hate the direction of the game though with so many features being abandoned and ignored. Not only that, there are so many bugs with the game and it just feels like the game is going down a spiral where it may not come out of. The "18 month" remark was certainly the last straw. It just is frustrating to see such a great game only go down and down since I started playing, which was right when Apocrypha was released. The game then was so good but now its a mere shadow of what it once was.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:09:00 -
[1858]
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cipher Jones ...
Because the bad publicity comes from trolls. Anyone who is familiar with the internets can spot a troll a terabyte away. ...
There are no doubt many people who are trolling these forums from both sides of the debate, but the story being posted in the press is too wide to only come from trolls, and if you had, for instance, read the massively, Kotaku and tentonhammer articles, you would have see that they do their own research, not just report the things that get mailed to them.
If I hadn't bothered to read them my ass. This is clearly a signature. |
Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:34:00 -
[1859]
YouÆll know when EVE is really Dying this is when the likes of ChribbaÆs , OmbeyÆs, Dotlan etc, turn there web sites off. These sites are what 99% of players use to get information on where to and how to & what to do. YouÆre EVElopededia is just another example of a good idea half baked taken out of the oven and then totally forgotten about. These guys are your most avid fans to have spent the effort, time and money to create player tools which you as a company cant be bothered doing for what ever reason.
Without these player sites how long do you think new players will stick around when thereÆs no information as to what to do, how to use, all youÆll get is OMG what the hell am I supposed to do. This shows a total lack of consideration for new and old players because these sites were made out of necessity primarily because these guys knew youÆd do nothing about it.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:38:00 -
[1860]
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I know you guys do not like to hear that CCP employees are reading this thread and listening to you. We are. Yes, we even read the occasional incoherent post.
There is a huge amount of action, trial & error, planning, discussion, and occasionally disagreements about priorities. But we are absolutely not ignoring you.
No, we do not believe that "all publicity is good publicity." No, we are not encouraging other sites to link to this thread. We are far too focused on the hard work of bug fixes, performance improvements, scalability, and more.
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes. Honestly, that's probably where folks like myself can contribute the most to EVE Online.
You may also have the ability to contribute to improving your game. If you have time on August 5 to help test our latest fixes and improvements, please visit this thread for instructions and timing: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1267555
Thank you in advance, Zin
I'll help you do your job, which you get paid for, for free when you come to my office and help me do my job for free.
Not sound fair?
Get a better testing department or offer some kind of incentive beyond "we're fixing things".
It's like if my mechanic said "hey, I'll fix your car but could you come in on saturday and give me a hand" um... no...
QFT
CCP, here's how it is.
I'm your paying customer. I give you money, you deliver a product. That's the way it works. I work between 8 and 16 hours a day (depending how close to milestone) doing QA for a AAA title. I am not going to come home, and pay for the privilege to do the same thing for you. You want our help? Give us a tangible reward.
A tangible reward is NOT "you're helping make this game better!" No, I already do that by paying for a currently broken game. Earn your business CCP.
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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