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Bremmenn
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:28:00 -
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Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
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The Logs
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:30:00 -
[2]
eve has pve areas?
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I show nothing |
Julienne Poirier
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:30:00 -
[3]
go back to wow and take your posts with you
á
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how to search eve |
Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:33:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Bremmenn
What CCP can learn from blizzard:
FINISH YOUR CONTENT.
fyp.
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:33:00 -
[5]
did you lose your officer/faction fit CNR in a mission because you shot the flashy red guy that stole your 1mn ab?
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Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:33:00 -
[6]
Confirming that WoW has no lag and you should go there asap.
Please?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:33:00 -
[7]
It's true! WoW is the better Eve!!!
I have read it on the forums! |
mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:37:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
After reading this post my mind is full of ****. 
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:45:00 -
[9]
"What can CCP learn from WoW" you ask? I'll tell you: What NOT to put into EVE.
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cigarellos
Strategic Warfare and Exploration Team
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:49:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Bremmenn
PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono
Just wow. (pun intended)
-cig
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Riley Moore
Obscurus Research
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:50:00 -
[11]
Pets, we all love pets right.
Wombats for everyone 
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Obscuras Blueprints Store
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Bremmenn
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:50:00 -
[12]
Better than EvE, no...more balanced definately. EvE is better looking visually and much more in depth, but for one to have 13 million users and the other 300 thousand can anything
other than simplicity account for the difference?
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:50:00 -
[13]
WoW is in a sad state now, I wouldn't want to compare it to anything of value. I would gladly play this game over that pile of steaming goat ****.
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Barakkus
YTiRi Research
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:51:00 -
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If CCP balanced like Blizzard, most people would have left long ago.
Obviously the OP has never stepped in the arena.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:52:00 -
[15]
Just because you want to spend your time doing one thing, it doesn't mean that you should just get to ignore the central premise of the game.
CCP really needs to make missions more competitive...
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Ryhss
Caldari
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:54:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Gnulpie
It's true! WoW is the better Eve!!!
I have read it on the forums!
It's on the internet, it must be true!
Originally by: aratillion
LEGEN....
Wait for it
DARY!
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:59:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Riley Moore
Pets, we all love pets right.
Wombats for everyone
On a sidenote, Eve is one big Battleground. Sort of like AV but nobody likes AV cause it's way too big.
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Vallek Arkonnis
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:00:00 -
[18]
Did the OP just say WoW was balanced?
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Riley Moore
Obscurus Research
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:01:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis
Did the OP just say WoW was balanced?
Yup 
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Obscuras Blueprints Store
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:01:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis
Did the OP just say WoW was balanced?
Yes, and I laughed.
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Bogota Lovejoy
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:03:00 -
[21]
I am druid lvl 79
wts or wtt char
accepting titans
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:11:00 -
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I got a free trial of WoW, you can have my character if you gimme all your stuffs! It's a lvl 2 human female of some sort and I lost her clothes somewhere.
Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Barakkus
YTiRi Research
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:17:00 -
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I'll sell you my arena geared ret pally for 15 bil.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:18:00 -
[24]
I've got 2 10 day guest passes to WoW that came with StarCraft 2. If you're interested feel free to send me a mail in game.
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Bremmenn
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:20:00 -
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Damn you guys want alot for your chars hehe, maybe a Dread or a carrier, those are easy enought to make.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar
United Systems Navy
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:27:00 -
[26]
Go
Back
To
Wow
Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Crakkerbarrel
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:31:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Damn you guys want alot for your chars hehe, maybe a Dread or a carrier, those are easy enought to make.
Contract me either and I'll trade you this toon:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Onyxia&cn=Jimmynewtron
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Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:38:00 -
[28]
What can CCP learn from Wow?
A whole bunch that's what. Blizzard is better than you by miles atm.
Fail CCP.
Epic Fail.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:38:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
Also, they can learn NOT to implement Real ID - unless they want a Threadtitan with 50,000 replies.
<My tools>
CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
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Barakkus
YTiRi Research
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:40:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
Also, they can learn NOT to implement Real ID - unless they want a Threadtitan with 50,000 replies.
This forum would break after post number 1337.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:41:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more.
They can learn this from Blizzard, but not from WoW.
Quote:
PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono,
EVE does not have this problem, so there is nothing to learn here.
Quote:
Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Funnily enough, said dynasties have all crumbled.
Quote:
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
àyes, this is something Blizzard needs to learn as well.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:59:00 -
[32]
In short:
WoW is a second job. For idiots*.
Eve is a second job. That you have to pay for*.
There's no contest really.
* Yahtzee Croshaw
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Bremmenn
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Posted - 2010.07.29 23:29:00 -
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Oki lowsec pilots coming into highsec and bathing themselves in the wreckage of noob industrialists (god forbid Concord patrol borders as efficiently as lowsec pilots do-props to you guys btw 
Yes EvE is more complicated than WoW, but when its all said and done its farming for
gold and instances for gear, anything more and your intellectualizing.
Maybe it was blizzard who learned from CCP, I dunno.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.29 23:32:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Yes EvE is more complicated than WoW, but when its all said and done its farming for gold and instances for gear, anything more and your intellectualizing.
No. Anything more and you're looking beyond the tiny sliver that is EVE PvE.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Arakash Mond
Amarr
Kings In The Back Row
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Posted - 2010.07.29 23:54:00 -
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Quote:
PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono
Which then equals Farmville or WoW or whatever it's called these days. If you stop and really think about it, PvP in PvE areas is probably one of the biggest pluses Eve has going for it because it equals carebear tears. Carebear tears really are worth their weight in gold (and subscriptions). What's even better is carebear retaliation but that seems to be too much work for most for some reason.
But Farmville type games like WoW do draw in the rl women so you should argue that angle Brem. I mean that is if your old enough and have actually talked to women and realized that you can't get cooties from them.
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offcopy
Caldari
OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:03:00 -
[36]
so many post about how great wow is.
so guys i'm off to play wow i have 25b isk send me any amount of isk and i'll keep it.
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Trauli
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:09:00 -
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What can CCP learn from Blizzard? Designing or either giving the users the option to design an efficent UI.
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RogueMind
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:25:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Go
Back
To
Wow
QFT.
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Opinions are my own.
Torp Nerfing: A thousand BS Campers cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...
EVE Trinity: The first game where Vista pwned XP. |
Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:45:00 -
[39]
CCP can learn how to maximise the amount of money you can squeeze from players, and how to make the game easy enough for a 5 year old to play.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
Try playing WOW on a PVP server. Eve at least has a global police force. Nothing like getting camped in the Stormwind grave yard AND corpse camped by the same crew endlessly.
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Zitus
NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:25:00 -
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came here expecting "Nothing"
Left completely dissatisfied.
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I'm not sure if my eyes are actually bleeding, or if it's merely my brain bleeding out through my eye sockets, but either way, it hurts to read what you just wrote |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:28:00 -
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1 Dont talk about future developments.
2 Dont release abything that isnt close to perfect(perfect with in your design goals.)
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:58:00 -
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"You cannot do that while stunned"
"You cannot do that while incapacitated"
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"Your ship is out of control"
"Session change in progress"
Looks about the same to me bro. also Op is the reason john lemon left the beetles. |
Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:19:00 -
[44]
I dunno, what can apples learn from oranges?
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Endless Subversion
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:38:00 -
[45]
Without reading the topic:
PLAYER MODDED UI
holy ****. gogogogogo
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Stan Smith
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Stan Smith on 30/07/2010 02:47:36
what can ccp learn from blizzard?
"You can do that while warping"
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Average Jack on 30/07/2010 02:48:36
Originally by: Crakkerbarrel
Contract me either and I'll trade you this toon:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Onyxia&cn=Jimmynewtron
Your gems are pretty fail. You shouldn't have so many SP/mp5 gems. 1 or 2 are enough (depending on meta - in your case 1), after that go for pure haste (yellow and blue) or SP/haste (red). 869 haste is a little on the low side.
SCNR.
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Menkala
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:50:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Bremmenn
PvP types coming into PvE areas
*chuckle*
...
hah.
hahahahah. AHAHAHAHAHAHA
<3 Tears. GTFB2WOW
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Raistlim
Deep Space Supplies
Violent Entity
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:52:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Raistlim on 30/07/2010 02:54:24
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Try playing WOW on a PVP server. Eve at least has a global police force. Nothing like getting camped in the Stormwind grave yard AND corpse camped by the same crew endlessly.
bring some friends? oh wait... you cant beat a lvl 80 with a bunch (gang? fleet?) of lvl 30s in that other game.
disclaimer: don't know where or what this 'grave yard' is.
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Jassie Lichous
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Posted - 2010.07.30 03:28:00 -
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After being an online gamer for coming up to 15 years and playing various MMO's and FPS's and Leisure Suit Larry games I can put my hand on my heart and say that I never set foot in WOW.
Anyone that has ever played WOW for more than one minute, even if hes the 'baddest' pirate in Low Sec, has the purest carebear heart of them all.
How anyone could subscribe to that **** was definately not drawn into it for the 'PvP' content.
So dont come here talking about arenas and PvP servers you freakin bears!
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Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.07.30 03:58:00 -
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I cant be bothered to be so cliche and hate WoW because thats what you do if you play EvE but it is still difficult to compare the two from a play style point of view.
I dont know what the OP lost that prompted the thread, sorry for what ever it was. As EvE population grows the old argument "stay out of the hubs" doesnt apply. There is no amnesty, the ISK grind becomes harder and harder and you find parasites feeding on you while you play more and more but because someone can come in to the forum and brag about how easy it is to make ISK it's assumed all is well the sky is blue and its a peachy day.
Learn from WoW? Learn from EvE. There are enough mistakes made here, CCp dont need to look beyond thier own back yard to see what needs work. |
Caldari Witch
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 04:03:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Shawna Gray
CCP can learn how to maximise the amount of money you can squeeze from players, and how to make the game easy enough for a 5 year old to play.
Saweeeet!
So youre saying CCP is going to add a sparkly ship I can have for only $25?!?
I have $25 no problem!
Ohhhhh, will it leave little sparkly-contrails and be see thru, like can I see my pod from the outside.
I bet I'll be the only one with it, and I'll feel so special.
*jumps up and down in joy like a maniac while vomiting uncontrollably*
I'm so special! I'm so special!
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:35:00 -
[53]
I think it can't be denied that WoW has better missions/quests.
Also the fact that you have to team up for some isn't a bad thing.
WoW's tutorial is a bit better, although it doesn't have the challenge to teach the players a hugely complicated game as EVE does.
Wow has walking in stations and the game doesn't lag horribly if there's 2,000 people in a city.
Don't pretend EVE is better in every way because it isn't.
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Bremmenn
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:38:00 -
[54]
It's CCP's game they can of course do as they see fit, I just disagree with some of the decisions. I have no trouble with nullsec or highsec tbh, I've played since the beta and been in every region in the game in damn near every system.
Some of the mechanics just seem odd to me, in terms of what a new player must deal with. Of course there are now missions and invention to help players along, even something as simple as PI can generate 500 million a week on 1 account. Pos
are interesting but there again Id like to see more in .5 and above. I have read
that 80% of the playerbase lives in highsec? -this would seem to indicate most players find nullsec to hard to survive in or perhaps do not have the time to invest in going there. Either way i respect the lowsecs players who wish to
pvp but at the same time respect the highsec people who do not wish to engage in that playstyle.
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:46:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Kireiina on 30/07/2010 05:46:52
blah.. ignore.
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Aesheera
Amarr
Hello Kitty Goes Commando
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:51:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
What can CCP learn from Wow?
A whole bunch that's what. Blizzard is better than you by miles atm.
Fail CCP.
Epic Fail.
What are you still doing here?
Seriously, go back to watching Orcs and Trolls.
Also, unknowns soldiers. Lol.
/thread
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:32:00 -
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Something I find strange in Eve...is modules deactivating after jumping a gate. I consider the modules(sensor booster, hardener mods etc) same way as buffs in other games but those said buffs actually are still active even when crossing continents/servers etc. Not so in Eve.
And yes, UI modding, badly needed.
I started WoW 2 months after release and I can say the game has become a lot better and less tedious over the years. Still, endgame is just farming this or that for no reason. Thanks to people going thru content so fast.
The "sandbox" doesn't work in WoW because it either crashes the server or no one joins in (no achievements, OMG! If crashing the server WAS an achievement I can promise you it would be done.)
Another idea: A DPS mod in Eve. This would mean you wouldn't have to test it all out in EFT and then have to test it in Eve when you can test the build directly in Eve.
In terms of graphics, Eve and WoW are on the same page (doesn't require latest computer).
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Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:36:00 -
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What can CCP learn from WoW?
Hmm... they're two completely different games. So there's really no way to honestly compare them.
The community however...
EvE's community needs less cutthroat douche bags who are always seeking out these "tears".
Now, I've never lost a ship to a player before. In fact, I've only lost one ship period that I can remember, and that was a frigate when I was first learning to play... so I have no motivation to take up one side or the other... but really, some of you PvP 1337ists on the forum really get annoying. You act as though you're so high and mighty just because you gank people in an internet spaceship game.
Some of you remind me of the douche bags from 4chan.
Yup. /endrant
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:46:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 30/07/2010 06:46:53
Originally by: Koranoth
What can CCP learn from WoW?
Hmm... they're two completely different games. So there's really no way to honestly compare them.
They're not that different, they're both MMORPGs
They both have missions
They both have mining
They both have PvP
They both have "gear"
They both have tutorials
They both have skilltrees
They both have an economy
They both have player corps/guilds with chat channels and ranks
They both have official forums
You pay subscription for both
and so on.
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Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:57:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 30/07/2010 06:46:53
Originally by: Koranoth
What can CCP learn from WoW?
Hmm... they're two completely different games. So there's really no way to honestly compare them.
They're not that different, they're both MMORPGs
They both have missions
They both have mining
They both have PvP
They both have "gear"
They both have tutorials
They both have skilltrees
They both have an economy
They both have player corps/guilds with chat channels and ranks
They both have official forums
You pay subscription for both
and so on.
Not... at... all...
Hey, but if they both have PvP... thenn Halo is in the same category too! It also has a tutorial! And you pay for it! And it even has missions! Halo: Reach also has gear! There we go! Apparently Halo is in this category too! Gasp! it even has an official forum!!!!
New case: What can CCP learn from Blizzard and/or Bungie!
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Here's the thing, they really aren't similar at all. Just about every game has a tutorial, missions, multiplayer in some way, or form, and you pay for them.
Those are dumb things to base similarity on.
I'm talking game mechanics. Movement, the way instances and raids are set up, the way guilds work. Gear also works completely different btw. Oh, and so do the stats.
PvP is also a completely different World in WoW. Completely. You have classes with specs and rolls.
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Bieber Fever
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:59:00 -
[61]
Maybe if I pay $20 for a sparkling star horse I can undock and actually do something.
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Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:02:00 -
[62]
Yah... the Celestial Steed is definitely something CCP should not learn from Blizzard. >.<
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:08:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Koranoth
Hey, but if they both have PvP... thenn Halo is in the same category too! It also has a tutorial! And you pay for it! And it even has missions! Halo: Reach also has gear! There we go! Apparently Halo is in this category too! Gasp! it even has an official forum!!!!
Sometimes people really tire me. 
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:12:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
What can CCP learn from Wow?
A whole bunch that's what. Blizzard is better than you by miles atm.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
*catching breath*
...hahahahahahaha |
Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:12:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Koranoth on 30/07/2010 07:12:51
Edited by: Koranoth on 30/07/2010 07:12:42
"Sometimes people really tire me."
Yah... me too... *yawn* Why am I so suddenly tired? =/
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Mr M
1st Republic Army
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:18:00 -
[66]
What can CCP learn from WoW?
Everyone should have huge shoulderpads
Eve Tribune|EVEgeek|Firebrand Radio |
Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:25:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Confirming that WoW has no lag and you should go there asap.
Please?
The city of Dalaran ain't no picknick, lag wise :). Though it's not used for gameplay, but for standing around. Kinda like incarna !
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente
Independent Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:14:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Daisuke Aoki on 30/07/2010 08:15:28
Originally by: Bremmenn
I have read
that 80% of the playerbase lives in highsec? -this would seem to indicate most players find nullsec to hard to survive in or perhaps do not have the time to invest in going there. Either way i respect the lowsecs players who wish to
pvp but at the same time respect the highsec people who do not wish to engage in that playstyle.
If a new player has half a brain and can read basic English and follow clear directions, there's not a whole lot they have to put up with or struggle with just as they're starting out. I remember reading myself that CCP frowns on people camping/can-flipping/etc in starter systems, which even makes the risk of being "griefed" less. If that's too hard for a new player, than Eve isn't for them, I think that's perhaps an effective filter against morons, to be honest.
You're making a false dichotomy between "lowsecs" people and "highsec" players, that being that you're assuming low-sec is strictly for PvP and highsec is strictly for "safe" PvE activities (carebearing).
Eve isn't a one-or-the-other game, and PvP isn't designed to be optional in this game. Whether it's actual combat or it's market PvP or competing for other resources, this game is *designed* to be cutthroat, a world with limited resources. In a similar sense PvE isn't really optional either, and even players who would never run a mission or want to interact with an NPC are still affected by the game's environment, not to mention a sizable chunk of otherwise PvP-focused players in nullsec make an income by killing NPCs (ratting).
I know a common argument is that more "cutthroat" players seem to be just being plain mean to innocent highsec-dwelling mission runners and such, but it's part of the game. Highsec isn't safe, it's *safer* - CONCORD doesn't provide protection, it provides consequences. Even in highsec with all of the game mechanics to discourage griefing, players are expected to defend themselves (for example, this is why you have the option to shoot someone for looting one of your own wrecks or jetcans - or not, if you so please.) Highsec players getting baited into this is a common tactic by the so-called evil "lowsecs" people. It's not a problem - either you learn not to shoot back and allow the flipper to abscond with your loot/resources, or you learn to defend yourself. It's one of the few elements of risk present in highsec space.
Eve is heavily based around risk vs. reward. If CCP decided to change game mechanics to completely eliminate the threat to highsec players from canflipping/looting, or even wardecs, it wouldn't be unreasonable (and in fact, I think this is the fair thing to do under such a circumstance) to drastically reduce the value of highsec resources and ISK sources such as mission rewards, to reflect its near-absolute safety in this hypothetical case.
People who say PvE players should be insulated from PvP with greater protections or even a separate shard are completely missing the point of Eve. They also puzzle me, as if all you wish to do in a game is to interact with an NPC in complete safety and be bothered by nobody and just get new loot and items, why are you playing a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game, rather than a single-player one where you can be left alone?
Such a proposal goes against the essence of Eve and I think even if only "20%" (not sure if that figure is right) of players are in "lowsecs" (yes, that typo was very funny to me, I'm going to keep sarcastically quoting it) or 0.0, even most highsec dwellers would be against a separate or more insulated PvE environment/shard.
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OrkAh
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: OrkAh on 30/07/2010 08:20:30
Originally by: Arakash Mond
Quote:
PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono
Which then equals Farmville or WoW or whatever it's called these days. If you stop and really think about it, PvP in PvE areas is probably one of the biggest pluses Eve has going for it because it equals carebear tears. Carebear tears really are worth their weight in gold (and subscriptions). What's even better is carebear retaliation but that seems to be too much work for most for some reason.
But Farmville type games like WoW do draw in the rl women so you should argue that angle Brem. I mean that is if your old enough and have actually talked to women and realized that you can't get cooties from them.
Being a typical: highsec production miner missionrunning whatever not interesting stuff I do carebear here is my 2 cents.
For the love of god please don't split PvE and PVP aread, please let ganking exist in high sec as well, please let me sometimes get scared ****less when someone starts to shoot at me.
It keeps the game: interesting, fun etc etc etc.
Playing in a world where I am 100% safe is BORING !!!!
Maybe there are people who ever played Ultima Online (one of the oldest MMORPG's still running and sort of half dead but whatever).
When it started it had one world. If you wanted to mine then you'd better learn to watch your back. Or an evil PK (player Killer) would kill you, steal your **** and run of shouting n00b.
If you learned you had fun. Then came the carebear whining. And oh yes, a second "safe" world was made.
And that was the beginning of a even worse carebear versus PVP (in UO trammel versus Felluca) set of discussions.
My simple question: DONT make seperate universes/areas/worlds.
Stick to what we have. High sec is sort of safe if you know what yer doing.
Low sec and 0.0, well if you want more rush thats where you go.
If the occasional hulkageddon or whatever PVP style stuff happens in highsec: IT's PART OF THE GAME.
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Lisa Lighthouse
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:21:00 -
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gbtw
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more.
Yeah - good so far bro!
Originally by: Bremmenn
PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono
Oh NO! What the hell is that?! You seem to have mistaken EVE for a run-of-the-mill dumb-**** mmo where players can wonder around happily in PVE-land in a daisical trance and saying stuff like "nice shiny ship, lol".
Go back to WoW if that's what you want. Noob.
Originally by: Bremmenn
Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
What a load of huge, nasty mega corps and lots of conspiracy and politics. Sounds like fun to me.
Originally by: Bremmenn
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
No.
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Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
They're not that different, they're both MMORPGs
The only massive thing in WoW is the number of people who pay Blizzard 15Ç/month. From what I heard about the game since I left it (probably one of the best thing I ever did in my life !), it's getting way closer to a solo game with multiplayer mode.
So in the end you pay 15Ç per month (or whatever) to get access to a solo RPG with some multiplayer mode working like most FPS servers : select your activity (pve/pvp in that case) and map, wait for all slots to be filled and pewpew
Sure, the solo quests have a decent background with some nice places to visit ... But I'd rather buy a solo RPG if that's what I want.
Same for the instant pewpew when you want to. But if I want to just be able to launch game, click 3 times and randomly kill people I'll just find a FPS. Or if I want the heroic-fantasy stuff with shiny spells and stuff, there are games like Heroes of Newerth / DotA / LoL (Legends of whatever, can't remember name) that have it 
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Jojo Redana
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:12:00 -
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This topic proofs again how stupid some EVE players really are. Most of you guys/gals haven't even seen or played Wow. Maybe someones tested for a day or a week \o/
Still you're talking crap because it's Wow. Shut up mmkay. Or is there more EVE tears??
T2 lotteries in the past... Risk vs Reward, LOL. I mean LOL.
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Redana
This topic proofs again how stupid some EVE players really are. Most of you guys/gals haven't even seen or played Wow.
Most of us have, even if some wont admit it. The things said about wow here are correct.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Redana
This topic proofs again how stupid some EVE players really are. Most of you guys/gals haven't even seen or played Wow. Maybe someones tested for a day or a week \o/
Still you're talking crap because it's Wow. Shut up mmkay. Or is there more EVE tears??
T2 lotteries in the past... Risk vs Reward, LOL. I mean LOL.
Indeed. Bashing other games won't make your own game better.
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Jacobs Mori
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:26:00 -
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CCP has nothing to learn from Blizzard. CCP just needs to go back to their former selves, back to the good old days of "by gamers for gamers" instead of this "by corporate bastards to mindless sheep" policy.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:37:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Takseen on 30/07/2010 10:37:51
Originally by: Max Cetera
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
They're not that different, they're both MMORPGs
The only massive thing in WoW is the number of people who pay Blizzard 15Ç/month. From what I heard about the game since I left it (probably one of the best thing I ever did in my life !), it's getting way closer to a solo game with multiplayer mode.
So in the end you pay 15Ç per month (or whatever) to get access to a solo RPG with some multiplayer mode working like most FPS servers : select your activity (pve/pvp in that case) and map, wait for all slots to be filled and pewpew
Sure, the solo quests have a decent background with some nice places to visit ... But I'd rather buy a solo RPG if that's what I want.
I agree that most group content takes place in instances and isn't all that different from signing up for an FPS match. On the other hand the fact that you have the option to engage in some multiplayer action on a whim without being in a guild/corp is very nice for the casual player.
Stuff CCP could learn from Blizzard
- make your UI customisable with a toolkit for making various addons. Harness the free programming skills of your playerbase. Take the best addon features and incorporate them into your default UI. Repeat.
- If your expansion isn't ready in time, delay it.
- If your expansion still isn't ready in time, cut some less important features/content and polish the important stuff, don't just release it all in a half-done form.
- Make balance changes more often, not just once a year. If you didn't get the balance right first time, keep changing it. The perception that you care about balance is important.
- If your game has a lot of gold/ISK farming bots, make those activities harder to automate.
- Daily quests+daily/weekly instance lockouts, rested xp. Makes grinding less important since you get decreased rewards the longer you play.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:43:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jojo Redana
This topic proofs again how stupid some EVE players really are. Most of you guys/gals haven't even seen or played Wow. Maybe someones tested for a day or a week \o/
Still you're talking crap because it's Wow. Shut up mmkay. Or is there more EVE tears??
T2 lotteries in the past... Risk vs Reward, LOL. I mean LOL.
This is always the case.
"We" are always the smart ones, everyone else is stupid. This is why experiments show that 90% of people think they are smarter than the rest. Obviosly, that isn't true. Everyone always labels themselves as above average, in IQ and so on.
But back on topic:
Storytelling...this is where Eve and WoW need to learn a lesson. The plots are just so silly...they try to make the world mean/harsh and all that but I just laugh at the attempt. It just sounds like a nerd full of testosterones trying to act cool.
Suitable for 10 year olds.
The storytelling is like comparing a comic (EVE, WoW) to a great fantasy book by Robert Jordan, Raymond E. Feist etc (Bioware).
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Aesheera
Amarr
Hello Kitty Goes Commando
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Posted - 2010.07.30 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Koranoth
Yah... the Celestial Steed is definitely something CCP should not learn from Blizzard. >.<
just sayin'
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Ronan Astrum
CRIMMSEN
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Posted - 2010.07.30 11:46:00 -
[80]
confirming WoW is better than Eve. After all, they have the Mr. T Mohawk Grenade.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.30 12:37:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Takseen
- Make balance changes more often, not just once a year. If you didn't get the balance right first time, keep changing it. The perception that you care about balance is important.
EVE doesn't have the same sort of balance issues that WOW has. In WOW if a class is over powered then everyone re-roles that class, grinds their way up, has to totally re-farm all their equipment (because you can't trade any worthwhile items between characters). In EVE if a certain weapon system, race, ship type or tactic is over powered then it's fairly easy to adapt your skill training to incorporate it. I can fly all sub-BS ship from all four races with full t2 equipment so basically no matter what CCP nerfs/boosts I'll always be able to adapt my tactics to make use of the over powered things (even tho I don't really know of any tactic that is totally over powered like for example nano ships were pre-nerf). Yes, there are certain trends currently that work well but they all have a viable counter (unlike nano-***gorty had with ships going 20km/s and consequently remaining in web range for less time then it takes the server to activate the module).
Currently blasters boats (with few exceptions) are pretty under powered (as are rockets by all account). So don't use them. Train for something different and once CCP un-nerfs blasters/rockets you can simply hop into that ol' Deimos and go ****.
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Elbert Ainstein
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.07.30 12:54:00 -
[82]
WOW - you'll find a lot of pre-teen kids playing there...
EVE - hard and cold most of the time, like the Island it comes from
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.30 13:17:00 -
[83]
EvE does not have distinct "PvP" or a "PvE" areas. A lot of PVE occurs in 0.0 and a lot of PvP occurs in high-sec.
Dont like it? Dont play it. Its OK not to like EvE, it is not for everyone. However, complaining that EvE is not like WoW will just make you look like an idiot. Dont play soccer then complain that it is too hard because you cant use your hand.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.30 13:28:00 -
[84]
All that WoW offers is grinding NPCs or other players for the latest fashion accessory, which you can then stand around in public wearing.
That's really it, from what i've found. No one is having fun, they just want their items nao.
My deepest sympathies.
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Beachura
Two Maidens One Chalice
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:22:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat
Just because you want to spend your time doing one thing, it doesn't mean that you should just get to ignore the central premise of the game.
CCP really needs to make missions more competitive...
There is no central premise, its a sandbox
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Ford Mersombre
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:29:00 -
[86]
/facepalm
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:42:00 -
[87]
Moved to Out of Pod Experience from General Discussion.
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CCP Hf, EVE Online
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sentinel22uk
Black Talon Mercs
Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:35:00 -
[88]
To me... All of eve is PvP... Which is why I enjoy paying epic amounts of IRL isk to play this god forsaken game.
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Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 16:38:00 -
[89]
Perhaps it's time some of you actually read what WoW is actually about, or maybe even *gasp* try it out!
Seriously... grinding to get the latest fashion accessory? I'm sorry, are you talking about WoW or IMVU? (Or whatever that game is called.)
To the person who says WoW is a soloing game, you apparently haven't played past level 10. Just saying.
Now, who's more immature? The people who play the game, or the people who sit back and make stuff up about the game, so they can make another game look better?
The point is, WoW and EvE appeal to two different audiences. (For the most part, I play both.) They should be different, and stay different to keep their player bases happy.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:07:00 -
[90]
Seriously. You can't compare EVE and WoW since the only thing they share are the MMO elements, and they even utilize them different. WoW is not a bad game, it's just a matter of personal preference.
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:53:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
Worst troll post ever.
WOW + BALANCE!?
Are you kidding!?
Yes, let's all model ourselves after a game where some of the best hardware/weapons comes only from a (boring) pvp mode for teams of 2, 3 or 5 people wherein one class can turn INVINCIBLE while still dealing damage and healing!
INVINCIBILITY in a PVP GAME is clearly the path to balance. Also having ranged classes that can stun melee in place and deal single abilities/shots that dish out 90% of their health is pretty balanced too, right?
Get that **** out of here. WoW has the worst PVP balance of any game that boasts about having strong pvp. It was an afterthought to secure subscriptions from a small but profitable/significant percentage of the playerbase for longer periods of time. It also completely destroyed gameplay synergies for PVE players as they spent the rest of the time after the introduction of arena balancing the game around that small playerbase rather than the people pvping in the world or doing serious pve content.
EVE let's you tip the balance in your favor anyway you want and make your own rules.
Poorly balanced themepark < openly balanced sandbox.
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Reiisha
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.30 18:30:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Bremmenn
Balance....Balance...then Balance some more. PvP types coming into PvE areas = nono, Lotteries creating dynasties that control the game economy for many years (shame on you).
Abandoning your core players for a new revenue stream (new revenue is cool, but at whos
expense)?
How exactly is WoW doing these right?
Balance is nowhere to be found in that game. Ever since the introduction of arenas, it's become a massive cluster****. Those lotteries in EVE have been over for nearly 5 years now, so i don't understand how you want to "fix" something like that. And abandoning core players is something WoW does very well...
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Shinde Kudasai
Exemplar Autonomy
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:11:00 -
[93]
Tic Tac Toe is perfectly balanced. The X's have no more power than the O's.
This does not make it a shining example of game design that Eve should emulate.
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Koranoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:19:00 -
[94]
Yes, let's all model ourselves after a game where some of the best hardware/weapons comes only from a (boring) pvp mode for teams of 2, 3 or 5 people wherein one class can turn INVINCIBLE while still dealing damage and healing!
INVINCIBILITY in a PVP GAME is clearly the path to balance. Also having ranged classes that can stun melee in place and deal single abilities/shots that dish out 90% of their health is pretty balanced too, right?
Agreed. CCP should never try to immtate WoW's "Balance".
I used to PvP alot in WoW, grabbing the latest and greatest PvP gear, but ever since Paladins have been made the super powerful unkillable titans they are now, I haven't even bothered with PvP.
I could go on for pages upon pages why Paladins should be nerfed, and why Blizzard doesn't really care to nerf them because paladins make up a majority of the classes played... but few people would understand that here.
EvE from what I've seen should stay how it is. It doesn't really rely too much on what talents you have invested, what "class" or "role" you are, it relies on being clever and skilled. Leave EvE's "balance" alone.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:34:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Vogue on 30/07/2010 19:37:25
Having done lots of it - large scale fleet PVP in EVE does not require a huge amount of talent. Its discipline, follow FC's orders, know the ship you are flying and a good fitting, a sense of self preservation and have a bit but not a lot of innovation.
But this is a conundrum as RL combat involves the same from troops I suppose. Know your role as a grunt and do what your told.
Its repetition for large scale EVE PVP. After a certain point of learning you don't learn like what a solo pvp'er would. And I suck at solo PVP lol.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:07:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Average Jack
Originally by: Takseen
- Make balance changes more often, not just once a year. If you didn't get the balance right first time, keep changing it. The perception that you care about balance is important.
EVE doesn't have the same sort of balance issues that WOW has. In WOW if a class is over powered then everyone re-roles that class, grinds their way up, has to totally re-farm all their equipment (because you can't trade any worthwhile items between characters). In EVE if a certain weapon system, race, ship type or tactic is over powered then it's fairly easy to adapt your skill training to incorporate it. I can fly all sub-BS ship from all four races with full t2 equipment so basically no matter what CCP nerfs/boosts I'll always be able to adapt my tactics to make use of the over powered things (even tho I don't really know of any tactic that is totally over powered like for example nano ships were pre-nerf). Yes, there are certain trends currently that work well but they all have a viable counter (unlike nano-***gorty had with ships going 20km/s and consequently remaining in web range for less time then it takes the server to activate the module).
Currently blasters boats (with few exceptions) are pretty under powered (as are rockets by all account). So don't use them. Train for something different and once CCP un-nerfs blasters/rockets you can simply hop into that ol' Deimos and go ****.
Fair point, you can get into a position where you can diversify into the most powerful thing more easily in Eve than in wow. But even from the point of view of being interested in mechanics, I like seeing things get changed up regularly and I wish CCP would tweak things more often. And there's people that just prefer currently underpowered stuff for roleplay reasons, or cos they dumped skillpoints into it without realising how bad it is.
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Toribo
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:59:00 -
[97]
Haha, looks at all this people feeding the troll.
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