EVE Search - EVE weapons

Check My IP Information

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

EVE weapons

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:25:00 - [1] Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Its 25000 Years into the future and we are shooting rail guns and lasers measured in the gigawatt range, and missiles that have a yield smaller then a modern day nuclear weapons. it seems silly that this is the extent of weapons technology in the year 27000-28000.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:28:00 - [2] I guess you missed the memo telling you all civilisation collapsed for thousands of years... Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 09:32:37 Originally by: Estel Arador I guess you missed the memo telling you all civilisation collapsed for thousands of years... Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us, for example today we have the technology to build a laser that outputs 1000 TW, a mega pulse laser in eve outputs 350ish GIGAwatts its absurd. not to mention drone bandwidth in the megabits range.
Johnny Dexter	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:36:00 - [4] They shoot. Things blow up. Working as intended.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr InterSun Freelance	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:37:00 - [5] Given the state of the server (lag) and the rubbish/broken content CCP seems to be content to produce, are you not suprised that the weapons in EVE are pathetic? Oh and RL =/= EVE .
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 09:32:37 Originally by: Estel Arador I guess you missed the memo telling you all civilisation collapsed for thousands of years... Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us, for example today we have the technology to build a laser that outputs 1000 TW, a mega pulse laser in eve outputs 350ish GIGAwatts its absurd. not to mention drone bandwidth in the megabits range. Link or it didnt happen. Anyway i assume the pulse time of that laser is measured in the picoseconds, that of eve lasers is in the seconds, that is a factor 1000 billion difference in energy delivered.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Jack Airron Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us According to the timeline the first modern civilisation emerged barely 7000 years ago. How they could be "8000 years more advanced than us" is beyond me. Don't forget you have to subtract the age of our civilisation from the 7000 years the Caldari existed. What age would you put on our civilisation? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Jack Airron Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us According to the timeline the first modern civilisation emerged barely 7000 years ago. How they could be "8000 years more advanced than us" is beyond me. Don't forget you have to subtract the age of our civilisation from the 7000 years the Caldari existed. What age would you put on our civilisation? our civilization is about 10000 years what you are not taking into account is the difference of human civilization and EVE civilization for instance no where in eve lore does it say they had a 1000 year black out in their technological evolution like we did thanks to religion and the dark ages. And you are assuming technology evolves on a liner scale when in reality it evolves exponentially with the first great discovery powering the next and the next and the next. (IE modern day computing) These points are all moot though because we have the technology now to do what eve weapons are doing. minus maby blasters.
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.01 09:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Jack Airron [today we have the technology to build a laser that outputs 1000 TW, a mega pulse laser in eve outputs 350ish GIGAwatts its absurd. not to mention drone bandwidth in the megabits range. My 4 cylinder car can go just as fast as my 8 cylinder truck... and it can do so using less gas. Just because something needs more to do something it doesn't necessarily make it better. In all seriousness... civilizations will all move at their own pace and advance technologies at varying rates, it just depends on what they deem to be most important. We can output 1000 TW lasers... in EvE humans can go from one edge of a solar system to another in under a minute. Or maybe it's simply cheaper to mass produce HUGE colossal weapons out of "outdated" weaponry. It's science FICTION... use your imagination and rationalize. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.08.01 10:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Jack Airron Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Its 25000 Years into the future and we are shooting rail guns and lasers measured in the gigawatt range, and missiles that have a yield smaller then a modern day nuclear weapons. it seems silly that this is the extent of weapons technology in the year 27000-28000. Did you never wonder where and why the module stacking nerf came from? Basically people aren't too keen on their ships getting wtfbbqd instantly. Anyway if we were to go hyper-realistic then you'd have to plan that turn/orbit/warp minutes (or even hours/days) in advance and in combat you'd be firing at a spot where your opponent would be in minutes/hours. He wouldn't be able to alter his trajectory in time and would know he was going to die maybe 30 mins in advance and could do nothing about it as the velocity of the projectile/missile/charge would be well above that of any defensive munitions he could deploy. Sound like fun? Actually knowing you're going to die in 30 minutes would probably be a big improvement on current fleet lag - at least then you could get on with the rest of your day

Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 11:36:00 - [11] Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 11:47:10 Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 11:41:18 Originally by: ShahFluffers Edited by: ShahFluffers on 01/08/2010 10:02:35 Originally by: Jack Airron [today we have the technology to build a laser that outputs 1000 TW, a mega pulse laser in eve outputs 350ish GIGAwatts its absurd. not to mention drone bandwidth in the megabits range. My 4 cylinder car can go just as fast as my 8 cylinder truck... and it can do so using less gas. Just because something needs more to do something it doesn't necessarily make it better. In all seriousness... civilizations will all move at their own pace and advance technologies at varying rates, it just depends on what they deem to be most important. We can output 1000 TW lasers... in EvE humans can go from one edge of a solar system to another in under a minute. Or maybe it's simply cheaper to mass produce HUGE colossal weapons out of "outdated" weaponry. It's science FICTION... use your imagination and rationalize. edit: Originally by: Jack Airron our civilization is about 10000 years what you are not taking into account is the difference of human civilization and EVE civilization for instance no where in eve lore does it say they had a 1000 year black out in their technological evolution like we did thanks to religion and the dark ages. Actually, the lore does state that humans lost all of their previously held technology for about 10,000 years or so and had to rebuild from scratch. The exceptions to this are the Jovians and some of the other "ancient" races. From an EvE standpoint, we've only been in space for about 1000 years... and I'm going to go on a limb and say that most of that time was probably spent rebuilding the stargate network. (someone may want to fact check me on all this... I'm a little fuzzy with my EvE lore atm) Read the post again. Quote: Anyway if we were to go hyper-realistic then you'd have to plan that turn/orbit/warp minutes (or even hours/days) in advance and in combat you'd be firing at a spot where your opponent would be in minutes/hours. He wouldn't be able to alter his trajectory in time and would know he was going to die maybe 30 mins in advance and could do nothing about it as the velocity of the projectile/missile/charge would be well above that of any defensive munitions he could deploy. Its not about hyper realism, its about making the games scifi more scifi, all im saying if CCP could of made changes to the weapons so you think " my god that is truly frighting" and not "oh i saw that at last years DARPA conference" Dont get me wrong i love eve and i love the fact we are flying mini city's around some extremely advance technology completely out of the realm of possibility of what we have today, isn't that why people watch scifi? You know as well as i do that one thing that will never change in humanity no matter what galaxy they are in is the quest to find more advanced and better ways to kill each other.
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 11:45:00 - [12] Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 11:45:35 stupid forum bug... double post my bad.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.01 12:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Airron Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Not really, we can launch small cars at 250km/s.
OmniBeton	Posted - 2010.08.01 13:02:00 - [14] We still use weapons whose working principles were introduced centuries ago.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.08.01 13:23:00 - [15] Originally by: OmniBeton We still use weapons whose working principles were introduced centuries ago. Well put. And modern firearms are quite a bit more effective than the old musket. The OP specifically mentioned railguns in particular, and sure we have some prototypes for those and (iirc) some major problems with them. What we do not have are railguns that fire 425mm shells full of antimatter. Comparing an EVE Railgun to a modern one is like comparing a musket to an AK47. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.01 13:25:00 - [16] Much like evolution, technology has no set direction or timescale. Things are developed to meet the needs of the developers, just like organisms throughout the generations achieve equilibrium with the conditions their environment impose on them. There is no guarantee that in 25000 years there will be more advanced technology, any technology, or even things descended from human beings. So the fact that the denizens of New Eden look anthropomorphic and have any technology should be more conspicuous then the fact that they don't have more advanced technology. Originally by: Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
McRoll Minmatar Heatseekers	Posted - 2010.08.01 14:25:00 - [17] On the contrary to the OP I like that Eve's weapons have something in common with today's technology. Science fiction means fiction based on known scientific facts and laws of nature. It's not like shooting a giant fireball out of your hand and call it magic. Can just play elves and orks instead. Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.01 18:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Jack Airron Its not about hyper realism, its about making the games scifi more scifi, all im saying if CCP could of made changes to the weapons so you think " my god that is truly frighting" and not "oh i saw that at last years DARPA conference" Iono about you... but the idea of a 425mm anti-matter charge hitting the surface of a planet is a tad frightening. Read this chronicle, Xenocracy, and read the capsuleer's threat near the end very carefully. It's also a matter of scale. We can't really see how big these weapons really are relative to the size of a person. You can kinda get a feel for the sizes in the frigate though. For example: looking at a Rifter (which is approximately the size of a Boeing 747) you look at 200mm autocannons, compare them to the size of the ****pit (which, though guesstimation, you think can hold about 4 people) are realize that the Rifter is flying around with tractor-trailer sized uzis that spit out a barrage of ammo every second or so. Ahh... imagination... _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Phil Exon Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.01 19:19:00 - [19] YOUR IN A ****ING SPACE SHIP.
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.01 21:56:00 - [20] Originally by: McRoll On the contrary to the OP I like that Eve's weapons have something in common with today's technology. Science fiction means fiction based on known scientific facts and laws of nature. It's not like shooting a giant fireball out of your hand and call it magic. Can just play elves and orks instead. So you are comparing advanced technology to magic? you are whats wrong with people today the stanch opposition to any technology advancement based on the fact you dont understand it. to all other comments, you are still not taking into account that any race that can explore the galaxy, has FTL travel and FTL communications has means of Extreme power generation Must have unimaginable ways to wage war. and with the eve galaxy the 4 races are so close to each other of corce they would put their main focus into producing advanced weapons. people dont seem the grasp the fact of them being 8000 years more advanced then us. Look back 100 years and then tell me that technological advancement doesn't happen on a exponential scale. With the comment to the face that modern firearms still use the same basic principle as they did hundreds of years ago, its only been hundreds of years not 8000 like eve and we still use such weapons because they are effective to our targets IE people not giant flying city's.

Illwill Bill Fjortismaffian HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.01 22:16:00 - [21] I find the weapons in eve to be rather intimidating. We are talking about people who have capability of firing 50 nuclear torpedoes per minutes (Raven+Thor), laser cannons that can slice through thick armor at over 200 km range (Apoc+beams), railguns that fire 425mm shells filled with anti-matter plasma, not to mention the 1400mm nuclear artillery deployed by the Minmatar. Look at the payload, not the methods of delivering it.
okst666	Posted - 2010.08.01 22:27:00 - [22] The explosions / impact does not fit as well. When I see the impact of my 6 x 425mm on a frig...it could easily blast london from the map, but no...34 damage dealt... :/ And I am not even talking about the torp-explosion.
Karak Terrel	Posted - 2010.08.01 22:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Much like evolution, technology has no set direction or timescale. But evolution and technology both have exponential growth which is also called the law of accelerating returns. We are only a few decades away from really drastic changes. I don't know how long this is in the discussion now, but if you think about it, it really destroys most of the science fiction scenarios we have today. In my perception Eve is a combination of "todays humanity" with advanced technology but without some of the consequences of the technology. Fantasy games do the same thing all the time but back in time. They take "todays humanity" and build some fancy magic creatures around it. I think a game that reflects the reality for both genres, science fiction and fantasy would be really absurd. - Only batteries can prevent the singularity
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.08.02 00:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Jack Airron people dont seem the grasp the fact of them being 8000 years more advanced then us Because they are NOT!!! We know how to do FTL travel - just not how to generate enough power. And I doubt it'll be 8000 years until we find such a power source. By the way, don't tell me firing concentrated beams of Tachyons isn't sci-fi enough. At least, there's enough fiction, because Tachyons don't exist. Also don't tell me firing extreme quantities of Antimatter (Aurora Ominae) isn't very ****ing advanced.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.02 00:32:00 - [25] Edited by: Culmen on 02/08/2010 00:32:54 Originally by: DuKackBoon We know how to do FTL travel - just not how to generate enough power. And I doubt it'll be 8000 years until we find such a power source. I'm calling BS on that, the closest thing we have to a plan for FTL is an Alcubierre Drive. And that's missing a device to create a warp bubble in a region that does not already contain one. Roughly analogous to trying to build a cardboard box without knowledge on how to make cardboard. You are missing the critical piece. All the other device are missing cornerstone pieces or are simply laughable. You can argue semantics and say that given a quite literally beyond-infinite amount of energy, you could accelerate past light speed on conventional drive. But that's just sophistry. Originally by: DuKackBoon By the way, don't tell me firing concentrated beams of Tachyons isn't sci-fi enough. At least, there's enough fiction, because Tachyons don't exist. There is a major difference between hypothetical and non-existent. Remember quarks were hypothetical particles up until a few years ago. Tachyons are predicted by string theory and there is math to back it up. Also if and further more why do i even need a sig?
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.02 01:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Jack Airron Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Its 25000 Years into the future and we are shooting rail guns and lasers measured in the gigawatt range, and missiles that have a yield smaller then a modern day nuclear weapons. it seems silly that this is the extent of weapons technology in the year 27000-28000. Are you kidding? Eve guns can fire through solid objects. Eve lasers aren't effective beyond a few hundred kilometers. Eve rail guns can fire lead which isn't magnetic. Eve railgun rounds also travel at insane velocities. Eve ships bounce off of each other instead of being destroyed by collisions. Eve can mass produce anti-matter rounds, but they still use other types of ammo! Eve ships would be completely immune to real world weapons, including nukes. As far as I can tell, Eve weapons travel a warp tunnel to the target and do damage via some exotic means. Railgun rounds don't hit the ship directly, instead they warp to the target and explode on a subspace level or warp space or something. There's no other explanation given the shooting through objects things, the insta hit thing, the limited range thing, the immune to collisions thing, and the fact that railguns shoot something other than solid slugs and anti-matter. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Manfred Rickenbocker	Posted - 2010.08.02 01:40:00 - [27] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Jack Airron Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Its 25000 Years into the future and we are shooting rail guns and lasers measured in the gigawatt range, and missiles that have a yield smaller then a modern day nuclear weapons. it seems silly that this is the extent of weapons technology in the year 27000-28000. Are you kidding? Eve guns can fire through solid objects. Eve lasers aren't effective beyond a few hundred kilometers. Eve rail guns can fire lead which isn't magnetic. Eve railgun rounds also travel at insane velocities. Eve ships bounce off of each other instead of being destroyed by collisions. Eve can mass produce anti-matter rounds, but they still use other types of ammo! Eve ships would be completely immune to real world weapons, including nukes. As far as I can tell, Eve weapons travel a warp tunnel to the target and do damage via some exotic means. Railgun rounds don't hit the ship directly, instead they warp to the target and explode on a subspace level or warp space or something. There's no other explanation given the shooting through objects things, the insta hit thing, the limited range thing, the immune to collisions thing, and the fact that railguns shoot something other than solid slugs and anti-matter. This... Also, just because something is registered as being "more powerful", i.e. has a higher wattage, doesnt mean it is actually more powerful. Even though we can generate several tera-watts of power and put them into the form of a laser doesnt solve several problems such as focusing, power dissipation, and rate of fire. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times.
Winters Chill Amarr The Die Sect	Posted - 2010.08.02 01:40:00 - [28] Originally by: okst666 Edited by: okst666 on 01/08/2010 22:30:51 Edited by: okst666 on 01/08/2010 22:30:17 The explosions / impact do not fit as well. When I see the impact of my 6 x 425mm on a Cruiser...it could easily blast London off the map, but no...34 damage dealt... :/ And I am not even talking about the torp-explosion. nah, 425mm cannons would do alot of damage but they would not level a city not without prolonged bombardment. The Iowa class battleship used in WW2 main guns where 9 406mm cannons. The goal of starship weapons isn't to make a big bang, it would be to penetrate hull, venting atmosphere and killing crew or doing enough damage until key systems suffer catastrophic failure causing either the highly volatile reactor cores to explode or the ship is no longer able to function. And forget about orbital bombardment unless the projectile is super large or shielded nearly all would burn up in the atmosphere.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.02 02:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Winters Chill nah, 425mm cannons would do alot of damage but they would not level a city not without prolonged bombardment. The Iowa class battleship used in WW2 main guns where 9 406mm cannons. You're forgetting anti-matter rounds. A kilogram of AM can potentially release the equivalent of 43 metatons of TNT. Quote: The goal of starship weapons isn't to make a big bang, it would be to penetrate hull, venting atmosphere and killing crew or doing enough damage until key systems suffer catastrophic failure causing either the highly volatile reactor cores to explode or the ship is no longer able to function. Which doesn't happen per se. Key systems are 100% functional until the ship explodes. If ship collisions don't cause damage, then how is it possible for railguns, missiles, and projectile weapons to penetrate the hull? Quote: And forget about orbital bombardment unless the projectile is super large or shielded nearly all would burn up in the atmosphere. A Rokh can hit instantly out to 250km. I don't think the round would have time to burn up before hitting the ground. Or maybe you can reduce the power on the guns to avoid burning up the round in the atmosphere. Eve physics are Special(tm). ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
plastastic	Posted - 2010.08.02 02:15:00 - [30] If i remember right the back story explains this away by saying the guns they let you use are the civilian versions of the guns the ones used by the real navy's are alot bigger.



Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.