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Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:40:00 - [61] Edited by: Jack Airron on 03/08/2010 11:47:10 Originally by: Apocrit Vespulus It's because Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better Lasers are just horridly over used in scifi Plasma and anti proton weapons would be the way to go. Quote: Far more important things to worry about in this game, rather than sitting here and crying that you want more 0's added to the end of a description cause it is not uber enough. you might not be able to multi-task but others can.
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:49:00 - [62] WHen you have actually been through the EVE gate and have seen what its like there, then i will listen :P
FalconWings	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:08:00 - [63] Space weapons as portrayed in popular Sci-Fi are always nowhere near realistic. The most simple method of ending a war would be: -> Accelerate some piece of rock with help of a great mass (Star, Block Hole, whatever...) to 0.99c. -> Kick it out of its orbit to interfere with the enemys planet orbit. -> look at an impact with an energy of E=0.5 mv^2 (Which is quite a lot if you just take a very conservative mass of 10^8 kg) -> chances of defending against it near zero other than being the first to hit. Your best bet would be to do it before you even established contact because the other side may do it. So I guess EvE WEapons are okay with me.
Paeniteo Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:25:00 - [64] Originally by: FalconWings Space weapons as portrayed in popular Sci-Fi are always nowhere near realistic. The most simple method of ending a war would be: -> Accelerate some piece of rock with help of a great mass (Star, Block Hole, whatever...) to 0.99c. -> Kick it out of its orbit to interfere with the enemys planet orbit. -> look at an impact with an energy of E=0.5 mv^2 (Which is quite a lot if you just take a very conservative mass of 10^8 kg) -> chances of defending against it near zero other than being the first to hit. Your best bet would be to do it before you even established contact because the other side may do it. So I guess EvE WEapons are okay with me. That pretty much sums it up. If you start using real physics the need for some technology is reduced. Accelerate a rock to 0.999999999c and whatever it's aimed at is toast. Guns, nuclear bombs and missiles as we know them will be completely redundant. Magnetic fields and synthetic armors won't protect you anymore. Forget the shiny hull, pilot interface and the art student design, it would much more likely be an autopilot computer flying an asteroid. And you thought the Domi was ugly! There are a lot of things in EVE which make less sense than the weapons; EVE's physics are completely whacked out all-round. I personally prefer it that way; real physics would make for a very short lived and dull game.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Karak Terrel Natural selection of random mutations. Has that for itself something to do with biochemistry? Of course not! /facepalm I've read Kurzweil, you don't know what teleological means, and why it is a logical fallacy, do you. Forget it believe what you want. Originally by: Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Jack Airron Copy and paste from WIKI more. i was talking about technology NOT biological entity maby one day you will evolve to a point of reading posts before you copy and paste. That's right, everyone with knowledge these days who doesn't agree with you just copies and pastes from wiki. Evolution is evolution, a general priciple not subsumed by biology. Whatever, you and Karak can sit around sucking each others **s waiting for the singularity to deliver everything on a silver platter for you, enjoy the wait. Originally by:** Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
SoulBlythe Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:00:00 - [67] I think you are missing the greatest point of Science Fiction.... It's FICTION, make-believe, from the imagination. Yes, there is realistic fiction but it's still a story created by an imagination. The best part about science fiction is it can be anything. it can have some realism but at the same time it can be steampunk or mystical or whatever mix of science and fiction you want. Just because you can have innovation in science or technology does not mean you have to do it. Now since you mentioned TV Shows/movies lets look at some: Firefly Starship Troopers Farscape Babylon 5 Stargate Series Battlestar Gallactica So just let it be, this is thier story we play in. Don't like it? Can I have your stuff? ======================
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:28:00 - [68] Originally by: DuKackBoon By the way, don't tell me firing concentrated beams of Tachyons isn't sci-fi enough. At least, there's enough fiction, because Tachyons don't exist. Also don't tell me firing extreme quantities of Antimatter (Aurora Ominae) isn't very ****ing advanced. hate to break it to you but tachyons are real. no idea why anyone would go to the trouble of firing a beam of them at anything though as they would just pass through whatever it was without interacting with ie damaging it. it's not that firing antimatter is all that hard what's impressive is having enough antimatter to fire at someone. stuff's quite expensive to generate.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:38:00 - [69] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 02/08/2010 12:56:47 Originally by: Karak Terrel Evolution is a response? Will reach equilibrium? Where do you get that nonsense from? Textbooks. Originally by: Karak Terrel Hint: Earth is not a closed system, we get constant energy supply from the sun. This is so full of fail its hard to even address without insults. Originally by: Karak Terrel our planet not only has an outside energy source aka the sun but it picks up about a kiloton of mass each day by sweeping dust and crap from space. it is not a closed system in any real way.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:40:00 - [70] Sorry to break all your hearts, but Type One and greater civilizations are non-violent, it is sorta part of becoming a Type One. There is no such thing as space wars.

FalconWings	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:41:00 - [71] Edited by: FalconWings on 03/08/2010 16:44:43 Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: DuKackBoon By the way, don't tell me firing concentrated beams of Tachyons isn't sci-fi enough. At least, there's enough fiction, because Tachyons don't exist. Also don't tell me firing extreme quantities of Antimatter (Aurora Ominae) isn't very ****ing advanced. hate to break it to you but tachyons are real. no idea why anyone would go to the trouble of firing a beam of them at anything though as they would just pass through whatever it was without interacting with ie damaging it. it's not that firing antimatter is all that hard what's impressive is having enough antimatter to fire at someone. stuff's quite expensive to generate. You are half-wrong Tachyons may or may not exist they are after all pure hypothetical, though on the other part you are right. Even if they would exist they would still follow causality which leads to the point that no ftl information transmission(don't know is it the right word? english is not my mother tongue) is possible.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:59:00 - [72] if tachyons aren't real what are they measuring way down in that mine in ontario? they have a big tank of heavy water borrowed from aecl thousands of feet down in the mine to observe tachyon interactions. they are getting hits on the detectors that are impossible to be anything but tachyons interacting with the heavy water.
Leon Mustapha Amarr Kart Kan Industries Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2010.08.03 17:17:00 - [73] Originally by: Karak Terrel Evolution is a response? Will reach equilibrium? Where do you get that nonsense from? Yes, evolution is a response. An enviroment changes, applying different (in type or magnitude) selective pressures. Selective pressure is what drives natural selection, which in turn drives adaption (evolution). The point of adaption is basically to make an organism use as little energy as possible in relation to how many offspring it generates. Therefore evolution drives the adaptation of organisms to reach an equilibruim with its environment. Sharks haven't changed for millions of years because they are at an equllibrium with their environment, which as far as a shark is concerned also hasn't really changed for millions of years. Originally by: Karak Terrel Natural selection of random mutations. Has that for itself something to do with biochemistry? Of course not! Actually evolution is entirely to do with biochemistry. For a species to evolve, a beneficial mutation must be passed on to it's offspring, therefore it must be contained in its parents DNA. Whilst DNA is the mechanism life uses to store information, it is itself a biochemical molecule subject to the laws of biochemistry. Given that the structure of the DNA molecule influences the information it stores and that the structure of DNA is influenced by biochemistry, you can only conclude that biochemical laws govern how that information is utilised and manipulated. Furthermore, the functional information that DNA stores is all about other biochemical molecules, both their structure and the mechanisms to control when they should be produced and in what quantity. So even the environment that the information effects is biochemical. Of course that's all irrelvant, because the massive glaring hole in your "full picture" is that biological evolution operates on a random basis. The development of technology via research is not random, it depends upon the formation and refinement of theories to control the direction of said research to achieve a desired outcome. On a fundamental level biological and techological evolution work differently. Biological evolution is the gradual accumulation of randomly generated beneficial traits, leading to an optimal with an enviroment. Where as techological evolution is driven by factors not restricted to proliferation, and is directed and planned towards a known goal. Additionally the pressures which drive research don't stop when something has been optimised. There's a conscious human need for continual advancement. Therefore, without an exponential change in enviroment, bioloical evolution cannot be exponential. If you did manage to arrange an environemnt which changed exponentially, and some how made it so that life could exist in such a rapidly changing environment you'd reach a hard limit on how fast an organism can evolve due to the speed at which the biochemical reactions which control life operate, you can only grow so fast. With a rate limiting factor like that in a system, you can never reach an exponetial state.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.03 18:00:00 - [74] Originally by: stoicfaux Eve rail guns can fire lead which isn't magnetic. The projectile in a railgun doesn't need to be magnetic, just conductive. On top of that the nature of a railgun requires a square barrel, so any projectile launched would most likely be encased in a sabot (unless its a space gun in which case the shape doesn't matter so much). [qupte=Jack Airron]What causes burn up is not some kind of imaginary layer of heat that takes time to melt objects its the friction of a object passing trough the partials in our atmosphere at high rates of speed it wouldn't mater how much time it takes it would burn up with out a heat shield. If the exposure is short enough the heat generated from the friction won't have enough time to do any significant damage to the projectile (assuming something metallic). - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.03 19:43:00 - [75] Edited by: Jack Airron on 03/08/2010 19:43:11 Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Jack Airron Copy and paste from WIKI more. i was talking about technology NOT biological entity maby one day you will evolve to a point of reading posts before you copy and paste. That's right, everyone with knowledge these days who doesn't agree with you just copies and pastes from wiki. Evolution is evolution, a general priciple not subsumed by biology. Whatever, you and Karak can sit around sucking each others ****s waiting for the singularity to deliver everything on a silver platter for you, enjoy the wait. Thats all well and dandy cupcake but when you start bringing biologic evolution terms into a technological evolution thread im going to call you on it. now you seem mad, can i have your stuff. For evey one else, i guess i have to say this for a 6th time i hope you read it this time, this thread has noting to do with realism it has to do with eve weapons VS other scifi weapons. Nor does it have to deal with he exponential evolution of biological entity's so read the posts before you comment i dont want to have to repeat this for a 12 time.
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 22:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Jack Airron Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us According to the timeline the first modern civilisation emerged barely 7000 years ago. How they could be "8000 years more advanced than us" is beyond me. Don't forget you have to subtract the age of our civilisation from the 7000 years the Caldari existed. What age would you put on our civilisation? our civilization is about 10000 years what you are not taking into account is the difference of human civilization and EVE civilization for instance no where in eve lore does it say they had a 1000 year black out in their technological evolution like we did thanks to religion and the dark ages. And you are assuming technology evolves on a liner scale when in reality it evolves exponentially with the first great discovery powering the next and the next and the next. (IE modern day computing) These points are all moot though because we have the technology now to do what eve weapons are doing. minus maby blasters. The amarr are still in a religeous dark age, the minmatr in a tribal one. as for technological advancement how easy would it be to develop nuclear physics on a planet with no fissile material, or industrial revoloution on a planet with no fossil fuels? Time has no bearing on technological advancement whatsoever (it can go backwards after all), that is purely down to socio-economic factors and available resources. For all you know we are living in our species golden age and we will never advance as fast again. A couple of plague epidemics, volcanic eruptions, accidental deaths and the different outcome in a couple of battles and we might still all be hiting each other over the head with sticks.
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.03 22:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Jack Airron Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us According to the timeline the first modern civilisation emerged barely 7000 years ago. How they could be "8000 years more advanced than us" is beyond me. Don't forget you have to subtract the age of our civilisation from the 7000 years the Caldari existed. What age would you put on our civilisation? our civilization is about 10000 years what you are not taking into account is the difference of human civilization and EVE civilization for instance no where in eve lore does it say they had a 1000 year black out in their technological evolution like we did thanks to religion and the dark ages. And you are assuming technology evolves on a liner scale when in reality it evolves exponentially with the first great discovery powering the next and the next and the next. (IE modern day computing) These points are all moot though because we have the technology now to do what eve weapons are doing. minus maby blasters. The amarr are still in a religeous dark age, the minmatr in a tribal one. as for technological advancement how easy would it be to develop nuclear physics on a planet with no fissile material, or industrial revoloution on a planet with no fossil fuels? Time has no bearing on technological advancement whatsoever (it can go backwards after all), that is purely down to socio-economic factors and available resources. For all you know we are living in our species golden age and we will never advance as fast again. A couple of plague epidemics, volcanic eruptions, accidental deaths and the different outcome in a couple of battles and we might still all be hiting each other over the head with sticks. having a planet with out fissionable metarals is almost imposable, and no fossil fuels? do you even know where fossil fuels come from? ill give you a hint "FOSSIL" I can grantee you that Our technological advancement is about to expand at the speed of light give it a few years and aging will be a thing of the past as will fossil fuels and world hunger. to give you a clue about how much things have changed, i have more power in my cellphone then all the Apollo missions computing power put together.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.08.03 23:22:00 - [78] Originally by: Leon Mustapha Yet another lesson about biochemistry Again, i did not talk about biochemistry or genetics. This is more general. Even in biology you find the same principal again and again. Chemical evolution, evolution of the DNA, evolution of the brain.. You don't find exponential change in DNA itself today you probably find exponential change in DNA back in the days when DNA itself evolved. And this has nothing to do with teleology, there is no intention or whatever. It is simple and stupid computing and iterating on gained advantages. AGAIN IT IS SIMPLE AND STUPID FECKING COMPUTING! Get it now? People like Halcyon think it is ok to go around and stick a fairytale sticker on each idea the don't understand so they don't really have to argue against. Originally by: Leon Mustapha On a fundamental level biological and techological evolution work differently. Biological evolution is the gradual accumulation of randomly generated beneficial traits, leading to an optimal with an enviroment. Where as techological evolution is driven by factors not restricted to proliferation, and is directed and planned towards a known goal. Additionally the pressures which drive research don't stop when something has been optimised. There's a conscious human need for continual advancement. Ok, for example the evolution of Unix operating systems (this does not contain different distributions): The Unix family tree That looks really like it was planed doesn't it? The exponential thing here is that with every iteration of the operating system it gets more complex but the provided interfaces are more abstract, so the ideal programmer which works always at the same speed is now actually faster in for example coding the next layer of abstraction which accelerates it work again... and so forth. It is possible to plan some amounts of abstraction and implement them in one shot, but this systems never survived (Plan9, Hurd..) they did not grow in the actual environment. And what the heck is "The Goal" here? Same story with conventional tools, and invention does stop if an optimum is reached. There where few inventions on scissors lately. Same story with biology -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Jhagiti Tyran Invicta.	Posted - 2010.08.04 00:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Winters Chill Originally by: okst666 The explosions / impact do not fit as well. When I see the impact of my 6 x 425mm on a Cruiser...it could easily blast London off the map, but no...34 damage dealt... :/ And I am not even talking about the torp-explosion. nah, 425mm cannons would do alot of damage but they would not level a city not without prolonged bombardment. If EVEs fictional technology matched the destructive power of the weapons description they should be more than capable of flattening an area much greater than a city probably an area more like a continent in a few minutes, this is a video is of a prototype artillery round with a nuclear fission based warhead back in 1953 this pretty much shows how underpowered the depiction of the weaponry in EVE is if a 280mm cannon firing a single fission shell can do that imagine what six larger calibre cannons spitting out a fusion warhead every two seconds would do.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.04 01:14:00 - [80] Edited by: Culmen on 04/08/2010 01:15:33 Originally by: Jack Airron You dont seem to understand what friction or acceleration of gravity is. But you are still not geting what the post is about so ill spellit out for you IT.....IS....ABOUT.....HOW....PRIMITIVE.......EVE........IS........ WHEN..............COMPARED............... TO........... OTHER..................SCIFI. saying "blah blah who needs 16 nukes BLAH BLAH" is stupid when other scify series can annihilate a planet with one shot from a super-space gun. And you seriously need to retake some science classes. Lets start with ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. A slug travelling at 250km/s will guess what, cross 250 km in one second. Acceleration due to gravity at sea level is 9.81 m/s2. So the total added speed to a projectile on that 1 second journey is 9.81m/s or 0.003924% of existing speed. Lets then proceed to CONSERVATION OF MOMENTUM. The energy of an object in motion does not magically disappear in atmosphere, it accelerates air molecules THROUGH FRICTION. See the Tunguska Event for what happens then. Star Wars is roughly the most magical I'm willing to let a sci-fi series get. And their average ship did not carry a planet buster. Only the death star and some of the larger super stardestroyers had super-lasers. Ditto with Star Trek, BSG, and almost all the sci-fi films I've come across. Really the only series with mass deployed planet busters were Starship Troopers and The Culture. Now the Titan's have Doomsday devices, Prime Fiction says they are planet killers. That puts us slightly below Star Wars. Plus do you realize the energy requirement to even accelerate a 1400mm slug of depleted uranium to 250km/s. Finally, what exactly is high tech for you anyways? and further more why do i even need a sig?

Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.04 01:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Culmen Plus do you realize the energy requirement to even accelerate a 1400mm slug of depleted uranium to 250km/s. Considering that the titans can travel faster than the speed of light (~300,000km/s), it should be trivial to accelerate a 1400mm slug to that speed. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
tribalfreak	Posted - 2010.08.04 02:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Drakkan Koran Originally by: plastastic If i remember right the back story explains this away by saying the guns they let you use are the civilian versions of the guns the ones used by the real navy's are alot bigger. This. All those weapons the OP thinks he should be able to play with belong to CONCORD. don't forget the jove ships that can tank entire fleets like theirs are what the op lookin for:P
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.04 04:03:00 - [83] Edited by: Jack Airron on 04/08/2010 04:04:28 Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 04/08/2010 01:15:33 Originally by: Jack Airron You dont seem to understand what friction or acceleration of gravity is. But you are still not geting what the post is about so ill spellit out for you IT.....IS....ABOUT.....HOW....PRIMITIVE.......EVE........IS........ WHEN..............COMPARED............... TO........... OTHER..................SCIFI. saying "blah blah who needs 16 nukes BLAH BLAH" is stupid when other scify series can annihilate a planet with one shot from a super-space gun. And you seriously need to retake some science classes. Lets start with ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. A slug travelling at 250km/s will guess what, cross 250 km in one second. Acceleration due to gravity at sea level is 9.81 m/s2. So the total added speed to a projectile on that 1 second journey is 9.81m/s or 0.003924% of existing speed. Lets then proceed to CONSERVATION OF MOMENTUM. The energy of an object in motion does not magically disappear in atmosphere, it accelerates air molecules THROUGH FRICTION. See the Tunguska Event for what happens then. Star Wars is roughly the most magical I'm willing to let a sci-fi series get. And their average ship did not carry a planet buster. Only the death star and some of the larger super stardestroyers had super-lasers. Ditto with Star Trek, BSG, and almost all the sci-fi films I've come across. Really the only series with mass deployed planet busters were Starship Troopers and The Culture. Now the Titan's have Doomsday devices, Prime Fiction says they are planet killers. That puts us slightly below Star Wars. Plus do you realize the energy requirement to even accelerate a 1400mm slug of depleted uranium to 250km/s. Finally, what exactly is high tech for you anyways? There is no point in talking to someone as stupid as you, you seem to be even more stubborn then a Republican. The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. Take a look at burt rutan's shuttle, it has no need for ablative heat armor because of the amount of drag. What do i find advanced? google Stargate Atlantis plasma beam weapons. Like someone above me said, we have ships that travle at faster then light speeds, i doubt that any one would blink a eye at accelerating a 1400mm round to that speed
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.04 04:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Jack Airron There is no point in talking to someone as stupid as you, you seem to be even more stubborn then a Republican. The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. Take a look at burt rutan's shuttle, it has no need for ablative heat armor because of the amount of drag. What do i find advanced? google Stargate Atlantis plasma beam weapons. Like someone above me said, we have ships that travle at faster then light speeds, i doubt that any one would blink a eye at accelerating a 1400mm round to that speed. Just because you dont thank something is scifi doesn't mean its not scifi, you seem quite full of your self. LOL, then why are you still talking. A list of things you haven't refuted other then holding your hands to your ears and yelling is. 1)Energy transfer from projectile to atmosphere Doesn't matter if the projectile burned up, it will still impart it's energy. In fact the "burning up" is what is doing the damage. Show me an adequate explanation on where the energy dissipates to, and I'll withdraw this point 2) A single calculation that shows that a dense metal will "Burn up completely" in the atmosphere. Seriously, I brought math from Imperial College that showed the dense metal would hit intact, you brought an anecdote of a man craft that survived a SUB-ORBITAL FLIGHT. Finally you're Asgard Plasma Weapon isn't all that advanced, or at least much more advanced then saaaay, the Gallente DD, both work on simple principles, channel particles, except the Gallente one uses anti-matter. There also no word on exactly how much energy it's putting out, or references to how effective it is against anything other then an SGA ship and further more why do i even need a sig?
Jack Airron Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.08.04 06:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Jack Airron There is no point in talking to someone as stupid as you, you seem to be even more stubborn then a Republican. The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. Take a look at burt rutan's shuttle, it has no need for ablative heat armor because of the amount of drag. What do i find advanced? google Stargate Atlantis plasma beam weapons. Like someone above me said, we have ships that travle at faster then light speeds, i doubt that any one would blink a eye at accelerating a 1400mm round to that speed. Just because you dont thank something is scifi doesn't mean its not scifi, you seem quite full of your self. LOL, then why are you still talking. A list of things you haven't refuted other then holding your hands to your ears and yelling is. 1)Energy transfer from projectile to atmosphere Doesn't matter if the projectile burned up, it will still impart it's energy. In fact the "burning up" is what is doing the damage. Show me an adequate explanation on where the energy dissipates to, and I'll withdraw this point 2) A single calculation that shows that a dense metal will "Burn up completely" in the atmosphere. Seriously, I brought math from Imperial College that showed the dense metal would hit intact, you brought an anecdote of a man craft that survived a SUB-ORBITAL FLIGHT. Finally you're Asgard Plasma Weapon isn't all that advanced, or at least much more advanced then saaaay, the Gallente DD, both work on simple principles, channel particles, except the Gallente one uses anti-matter. There also no word on exactly how much energy it's putting out, or references to how effective it is against anything other then an SGA ship you need to stop posting, you are saying that the objective of planetary bombardment is to have the round burn up in the atmosphere, Thats is so ungodly stupid i dont even know how you could think of it. Second The ori ships where able to withstand hundreds if not thousands of blasts from Gould mother-ships and mark 7-8 naquda enhanced missiles. In the first season of Stargate the gouled bombed earth in a alternate timeline and the east coast was shot at from orbit, carter made a comment about each blast having a yield in megatons at-least. Flash to 9 years later the earth ships and the plasma beam weapons destroyed the same ori ships with only a few shots from the plasma weapons. http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigations/es2506/es2506page08.cfm
okst666	Posted - 2010.08.06 09:40:00 - [86] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Winters Chill Originally by: okst666 The explosions / impact do not fit as well. When I see the impact of my 6 x 425mm on a Cruiser...it could easily blast London off the map, but no...34 damage dealt... :/ And I am not even talking about the torp-explosion. nah, 425mm cannons would do alot of damage but they would not level a city not without prolonged bombardment. If EVEs fictional technology matched the destructive power of the weapons description they should be more than capable of flattening an area much greater than a city probably an area more like a continent in a few minutes, this is a video is of a prototype artillery round with a nuclear fission based warhead back in 1953 this pretty much shows how underpowered the depiction of the weaponry in EVE is if a 280mm cannon firing a single fission shell can do that imagine what six larger calibre cannons spitting out a fusion warhead every two seconds would do. wow...
Habiestor	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:04:00 - [87] What I find most interesting/disturbing is that they all still speak "old dialect" English.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:16:00 - [88] I AGREE!! WE NEED PSI-WARFARE!!! So I can melt your brain with my thoughts! Oh, wait..I do that in local! KEEP LOCAL!!! Stop whining.
Monistat Seven Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:33:00 - [89] Anyone ever think... these guns are the size of battleships and the bullets are the size of frigates? Also... Never argue sci-tech with trekkies. We need a mod of that for eve.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Leon Mustapha Originally by: Karak Terrel Evolution is a response? Will reach equilibrium? Where do you get that nonsense from? Yes, evolution is a response. An enviroment changes, applying different (in type or magnitude) selective pressures. Selective pressure is what drives natural selection, which in turn drives adaption (evolution). The point of adaption is basically to make an organism use as little energy as possible in relation to how many offspring it generates. Therefore evolution drives the adaptation of organisms to reach an equilibruim with its environment. Sharks haven't changed for millions of years because they are at an equllibrium with their environment, which as far as a shark is concerned also hasn't really changed for millions of years. Originally by: Karak Terrel Natural selection of random mutations. Has that for itself something to do with biochemistry? Of course not! Actually evolution is entirely to do with biochemistry. For a species to evolve, a beneficial mutation must be passed on to it's offspring, therefore it must be contained in its parents DNA. Whilst DNA is the mechanism life uses to store information, it is itself a biochemical molecule subject to the laws of biochemistry. Given that the structure of the DNA molecule influences the information it stores and that the structure of DNA is influenced by biochemistry, you can only conclude that biochemical laws govern how that information is utilised and manipulated. Furthermore, the functional information that DNA stores is all about other biochemical molecules, both their structure and the mechanisms to control when they should be produced and in what quantity. So even the environment that the information effects is biochemical. Of course that's all irrelvant, because the massive glaring hole in your "full picture" is that biological evolution operates on a random basis. The development of technology via research is not random, it depends upon the formation and refinement of theories to control the direction of said research to achieve a desired outcome. On a fundamental level biological and techological evolution work differently. Biological evolution is the gradual accumulation of randomly generated beneficial traits, leading to an optimal with an enviroment. Where as techological evolution is driven by factors not restricted to proliferation, and is directed and planned towards a known goal. Additionally the pressures which drive research don't stop when something has been optimised. There's a conscious human need for continual advancement. Therefore, without an exponential change in enviroment, bioloical evolution cannot be exponential. If you did manage to arrange an environemnt which changed exponentially, and some how made it so that life could exist in such a rapidly changing environment you'd reach a hard limit on how fast an organism can evolve due to the speed at which the biochemical reactions which control life operate, you can only grow so fast. With a rate limiting factor like that in a system, you can never reach an exponetial state. Yes, thank you for saying what teeth grinding rage prevented me from getting out in a coherent manner. Nevertheless, you're wasting your time on these tards. Originally by: Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.



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