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Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:47:00 - [91] Originally by: Jack Airron now you seem mad, can i have your stuff. That's only relevant as a retort when someone is angry at the game, I mean, **, you are just fail on every level aren't you? Originally by:** Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
Peter XZ	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:55:00 - [92] Don't rationalise EVE lore technology, projecting technology thousands of years into the future means practically ALL of EVE technology is antiquated, why would you even need spaceships ?? It'll all be "beam me up Scotty stuff" by then , Anyway, when Biblical Armageddon happens, the future won't have anything to do with silly spaceships LOL
Gabriel Karade Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:09:00 - [93] The simple answer is don't try to peg it to in-game numbers, if you read the back story and the news items for exmaple, a doomsday blast from an Avatar essentially caused an extinction level event on one planet (of order 100 million Megatonnes). Also Tachyons are described in various places as carving vast canyons across the surface of planets during the minmatar rebellion... Finally look closely at the images contained in the poster 'The Iron tide' those surface detonations are vast... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Tarkin Hamir	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:22:00 - [94] Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 01/08/2010 09:32:37 Originally by: Estel Arador I guess you missed the memo telling you all civilisation collapsed for thousands of years... Yes, however taking into account he time of eves "dark age" they should still be 8000 years more advanced then us, for example today we have the technology to build a laser that outputs 1000 TW, a mega pulse laser in eve outputs 350ish GIGAwatts its absurd. not to mention drone bandwidth in the megabits range. We can build some very powerful lasers, however currently these are also MASSIVELY inefficent with huge amounts of power put in to get (relatively) little out and tend to be enormous - its a bit like saying the weight of shot fired by a medieval bombard is the same (or heavier) than that of a modern artillery piece. It's true but doesn't really tell you anything about the relative usefulness of the weapon
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:33:00 - [95] Originally by: Jack Airron Do eve weapons seem kind of primitive in scifi terms? Its 25000 Years into the future and we are shooting rail guns and lasers measured in the gigawatt range, and missiles that have a yield smaller then a modern day nuclear weapons. it seems silly that this is the extent of weapons technology in the year 27000-28000. The Triple-D (Doomsday device) and the jump drive, as well as the warp drive are pretty advanced if you ask me. Especially the warp drive since it employs depleted vacuum discs. <My tools> CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
Exordium8 Minmatar Hell's Horsemen	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:59:00 - [96] Originally by: Tei Lin I stay awake at night cause the pixel spaceships don't make sense!!!!!!! This tbh. --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
0hai	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:43:00 - [97] Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 04/08/2010 04:06:05 There is no point in talking to someone as stupid as you, you seem to be even more stubborn then a Republican. The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. Take a look at burt rutan's shuttle, it has no need for ablative heat armor because of the amount of drag. What do i find advanced? google Stargate Atlantis plasma beam weapons. Like someone above me said, we have ships that travle at faster then light speeds, i doubt that any one would blink a eye at accelerating a 1400mm round to that speed. Just because you dont thank something is scifi doesn't mean its not scifi, you seem quite full of your self. First, Chill out dude. Second, This is EVE, not Stargate. Let's also not forget that for the vast majority of Stargate, they used P-90s. Also, here's a term I haven't seen thrown around: Suspension of Disbelief. And yes, I'll copy and paste this from Wikipedia because it sums up so perfectly what it means. Originally by: wikipedia Suspension of disbelief or "willing suspension of disbelief" is a formula named as such in English by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge to justify the use of fantastic or non-realistic elements in literature. Granted, it specifies literature, but it applies to any form of storytelling, be it film, novels, or even video games.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:49:00 - [98] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Yes, thank you for saying what teeth grinding rage prevented me from getting out in a coherent manner. Nevertheless, you're wasting your time on these tards. You should not take more or stop the medication altogether without first talking to your doctor. Maybe that would prevent that rage and stop you from writing more BS into the forums. -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:32:00 - [99] There comes a point in physics where you hit a threshold. You could make bigger and bigger energy weapons based on your power supply and energy capacity maxiumums, but I doubt you'd ever come up with one that doesn't break the laws of physics that could outdamage the kinetic energy of redirecting a large celestial object at a planet. More advanced != better. A 1600mm piece of lead fired at high velocity would pack quite a whollup. A laser jus gets stuff really hot and makes holes.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.06 17:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Jack Airron The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. True. But let's think outside the box. Light has mass and moves at the speed of light. If a beam of light can reach the surface without burning up in the atmosphere, then just maybe, with a little creativity (aka sci-fi science) you can speed up a projectile to just under the speed of light and have it hit the ground before the collisions with atmospheric atoms disrupt the projectile into ineffectiveness. Eve railguns appear to hit instantly. As in no apparent travel time. Which would mean they're traveling faster than the speed of light. Which raises all sorts of oddities and implications. Quote: Like someone above me said, we have ships that travle at faster then light speeds, i doubt that any one would blink a eye at accelerating a 1400mm round to that speed. Depends. Is the ship really moving at FTL speeds or is just moving at sublight speeds through a wormhole? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.08.06 17:37:00 - [101] Originally by: Dian'h Might Originally by: Culmen Plus do you realize the energy requirement to even accelerate a 1400mm slug of depleted uranium to 250km/s. Considering that the titans can travel faster than the speed of light (~300,000km/s), it should be trivial to accelerate a 1400mm slug to that speed. not if you are using an explosion to boot it in the butt. also we use cheat vigorously in eve by moving ourselves into another dimension to warp travel where the rules are different allowing us to break the light speed barrier without using up all the energy in the universe getting there.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.08.06 17:50:00 - [102] The heat of a rail gun round passing trough the upper atmosphere would burn it up, you seep to thank that speed will allow it to pass trough unscathed but the speed only worsens the amount of heat being applied to the rail gun round. an inbound railgun round from an orbiting ship is essentially going to be fired straight down through the atmo at the target. assuming it's moving at 250 kps and there is quite negligible air pressure until you reach the last 30 km or so you have all of 12 hundreds of a second to vapourize the shell. if it was an antimatter round even if it happened instantly it's too late. there is a lovely site gives destruction rings for various sizes of bombs you might want to reference. try 100 MT as a starter and think that a 425mm could hold enough AM to add several zeroes to that. the other thing is that if you are looking at damage via warhead instead of simple kinetic energy there is NO reason on earth to fire the gun at full power. nor is there any reason to fire from the same grid as the planet is in. target is after all perfectly predictable in time and space which makes it a rather trivial exercise to lob rounds at it from a long ways out.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.06 19:10:00 - [103] Hrmm... Eve railguns don't shoot solid projectiles, they shoot a plasma bolt ... Antimatter Charge Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired. Even lead rounds get turned into a "bolt." Lead Charge Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of lead atoms suspended in a plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired. How does a plasma bolt remain cohesive over any meaningful distance, much less through an atmosphere? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.06 19:32:00 - [104] Edited by: ShahFluffers on 06/08/2010 19:33:24 Originally by: stoicfaux How does a plasma bolt remain cohesive over any meaningful distance, much less through an atmosphere? Look at the descriptions you posted carefully. "Railguns launch the shells directly..." On the other hand, "... particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired." Ergo, shooting from a railgun means that the shell casing is still intact while with a blaster it is not. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.08.06 19:46:00 - [105] Originally by: stoicfaux How does a plasma bolt remain cohesive over any meaningful distance, much less through an atmosphere? Ideas
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.08.06 20:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Phil Exon YOUR IN A **ING SPACE SHIP. I'm on a boat motherer!!!! Don't forget your flipy-floppies... Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.06 21:02:00 - [107] Originally by: ShahFluffers Ergo, shooting from a railgun means that the shell casing is still intact while with a blaster it is not. Yup, my bad. However that leads to: Why would you suspend anti-matter and/or lead in a plasma state inside of a railgun shell? A HEAT round for a railgun is an odd thing to create. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.06 22:06:00 - [108] Edited by: Culmen on 06/08/2010 22:16:46 \ Quote: you are saying that the objective of planetary bombardment is to have the round burn up in the atmosphere, Thats is so ungodly stupid i dont even know how you could think of it. A projectile does'nt actually need to hit the ground to do damage. In June 30, 1908 an asteroid burned up in the atmosphere over Tunguska. It exploded with the force of a 5-30 megaton bomb, and flattened an area of forest over 2000 square kilometers, all without touching the ground. Ungodly stupid indeed.... and further more why do i even need a sig?
Lumy Minmatar eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.06 23:02:00 - [109] Compared to today's standard, EVE ships have ridiculous energy output. Still, they seem to be within acceptable limits. (Acceptable = do not throw your suspension of disbelief out of window). Compared to other sci-fi ... GET OUT! These are most stupid arguments on the internet. More "powerful" sci-fi settings are usually the ones with: - bad writing (main characters are essentially invincible) - more techno-babble (aka magic) - complete lack of author's sense of scale (let's just add few more zeroes to the exponent) Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.07 04:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Karak Terrel Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Yes, thank you for saying what teeth grinding rage prevented me from getting out in a coherent manner. Nevertheless, you're wasting your time on these tards. You should not take more or stop the medication altogether without first talking to your doctor. Maybe that would prevent that rage and stop you from writing more BS into the forums. And you should learn what humor is, maybe then you could take the ** out of your mouth and read a book. Originally by:** Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.

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