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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
416
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:03:00 -
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Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The arms race. We've had one in recent history, the past (20th) century demonstrating the rapid and aggressive adaptability of technology. Technology is a funny beast. It grows faster and faster. An exponential level of advancement. Arguably this is a continuing effect.
World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
We've been using the same goddamn weapons since the alpha/beta, bar a few exceptions like doomsday weapons. But there has been no arms race. Sure, the ships gradually and laboriously slowly get better... when Eve started, we had T1... a few years later, T2... and a few years after that, T3...
But they're still using the same damn guns. The same old, stagnant weapons we started with. They may get a % bonus to damage or RoF that's greater than lower-class ships of the line, but they're still using... the same weapons.
No scientist in New Eden appears to be working on NEW WEAPONS.
Here's what I'd like to see:
The Amarr, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
The Caldari, employing exotic particle research involved in the creation of Amarr tachyon beams, invent a new tachyon-shielded warhead that slips through space instantly and arrives on target the second it is fired.
The Gallente, who strategically prefer defense over attack, combine high-explosive knowledge from the Minmatar Republic with their own drones, to create deployable self-regenerating minefields filled with seeking bomb-drones that function like a warp-bubble that hurts.
The Minmatar, thanks to their close relations with the fading Jovian empire, have secured exotic particle warhead technology never before seen among the four empires. These warheads are often unreliable, but when they function correctly, are devastating; capable of converting an Apocalypse battleship into a burning ball of exotic particles with a few solid strikes.
tl;dr: New ships are nice. We want new weapons too. ("Like" this post if you agree, or post insults if you don't.) |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
655
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:06:00 -
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You could be my (smokin' hot) gun anyday, Babevaan.
(cool post btw, you'd reccon that we'd be getting t3 weaponry as well..) shiptoastin' liek a baws |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
268
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:07:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The arms race. We've had one in recent history, the past (20th) century demonstrating the rapid and aggressive adaptability of technology. Technology is a funny beast. It grows faster and faster. An exponential level of advancement. Arguably this is a continuing effect.
World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
We've been using the same goddamn weapons since the alpha/beta, bar a few exceptions like doomsday weapons. But there has been no arms race. Sure, the ships gradually and laboriously slowly get better... when Eve started, we had T1... a few years later, T2... and a few years after that, T3...
But they're still using the same damn guns. The same old, stagnant weapons we started with. They may get a % bonus to damage or RoF that's greater than lower-class ships of the line, but they're still using... the same weapons.
No scientist in New Eden appears to be working on NEW WEAPONS.
Here's what I'd like to see:
The Amarr Empire, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
The Caldari, employing exotic particle research involved in the creation of Amarr tachyon beams, invent a new tachyon-shielded warhead that slips through space instantly and arrives on target the second it is fired.
The Gallente, who strategically prefer defense over attack, combine high-explosive knowledge from the Minmatar Republic with their own drones, to create deployable self-regenerating minefields filled with seeking bomb-drones that function like a warp-bubble that hurts.
The Minmatar, thanks to their close relations with the fading Jovian empire, have secured exotic particle warhead technology never before seen among the four empires. These warheads are often unreliable, but when they function correctly, are devastating; capable of converting an Apocalypse battleship into a burning ball of exotic particles with a few solid strikes.
And here's the most important bit: this shit shouldn't be fair. Every few months, there should be a new breakthrough. A new weapon, just invented, that gives one empire an edge over the others... just long enough for the next counter-weapon to be developed.
tl;dr: New ships are nice. We want new weapons too. ("Like" this post if you agree, or post insults if you don't.)
Sober up, re-read, ask for lock. |

Alara IonStorm
2720
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:07:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: The arms race. We've had one in recent history,
The Dreadnaught one or the Cold War one?
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FugginNutz
Trolls From Outer Space
0
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:08:00 -
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I love this man....no homo. |

Alara IonStorm
2720
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:11:00 -
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FugginNutz wrote:I love this man....no homo. Like 60% of the fun gone right there. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
237
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:13:00 -
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Wonder if he got drunk in a Mississauga, Brampton, or downtown bar. |

FugginNutz
Trolls From Outer Space
0
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wonder if he got drunk in a Mississauga, Brampton, or downtown bar.
Yes |

Alara IonStorm
2720
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:24:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wonder if he got drunk in a Mississauga, Brampton, or downtown bar. Is the parking lot behind the LCBO suddenly not good enough anymore?
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
576
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:26:00 -
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You ever think about how beer evolves too slowly, while you are drinking? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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D3F4ULT
153
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:27:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The Amarr Empire, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
/fires weapon "Whats the matter bro?" Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |

leviticus ander
CATO.nss
205
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:28:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
you do know that blitzkrieg was technically invented in world war one by Canadians to take vimmy ridge, and the Germans just refined it and added tanks? on topic, I think this would be cool. have a series of new changes to ammo, weapons, hulls, and stuff like that. it would allow for a sane RP explanation to some buffs/nerfs and would make things actually more FOTM rather than FOTY. it would make people avoid minmaxing for a certain race or fit, and would make it a little more interesting. plus it would allow some players that trained for one race to be relevant at some point for a little while while spreading out their skills. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
421
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:39:00 -
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rodyas wrote:You ever think about how beer evolves too slowly, while you are drinking?
Beer's inefficient. I'm a 40% fan. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
175
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:39:00 -
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Actually EVE has evolved quite fast, lot of new ships have been added yearly.
Not all ships has been there from the beginning. Not even all weapons.
CCP added some new modules on last expansion.
I think last new weapon system was Bombs for bombers.
also T2 weapons evolved on some point.  |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
138
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:47:00 -
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moar KA-BOOM ftw!
this stuff really annoyed my friend years back. the four races don't meet up and decide that their missiles do too much damage so lets reduce that, no they should develop counters! maybe not quite as powerful or frequently as you suggest, but new stuff is fun! I think the inferno mods are some great additions!
the new line of missiles! Em: chance to mess with targeting Exp: chance to do armor damage through shields Kin: chance to do structure damage through armor Therm: chance to do heat damage to modules |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
421
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:51:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:the new line of missiles!
Em: chance to mess with targeting Exp: chance to do armor damage through shields Kin: chance to do structure damage through armor Therm: chance to do heat damage to modules
THIS! GOOD! CREATIVE! NEW! I LIKE! |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:58:00 -
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Well, these days warfare is a little different. Conventional warfare is a thing of the past, and weaponry has kind of hit a wall. Fortunately, there is espionage and sabotage. Perhaps you know of these techniques? A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
183
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:58:00 -
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I personally think Istvaan don't have enough beard.
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
154
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:36:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Actually EVE has evolved quite fast, lot of new ships have been added yearly.
I wouldn't call "a lot" 5 ships added during last 1.5 years.
+1 for disclaimer. And for content too. "Red alert" had Tesla coils 15 years ago - they must be extremely beautiful in EVE. |

Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
195
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:42:00 -
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You do realize that all the tech we use is out dated and not in use buy any one but use right? That to keep us demigods in check they made the leash short. Go fight the navy or concord and let me know if there tech has advanced fast enuff. cronicals touch on that stuff and c'mon you were a human once would you let all the ultra powerful control thing with there brain guys have your best weapon's, ship's and women? I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
887
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:47:00 -
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Exponential increase in innovation only really happens when you put in exponential amount of resources, and the cost of pushing the boundaries becomes increasingly difficult and costly.
E.g. discovering the electron particle required a laptop-sized device, while discovering the/a Higgs Boson required a rather laptop-unfriendly device. Nyan |

Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
738
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:14:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The arms race. We've had one in recent history, the past (20th) century demonstrating the rapid and aggressive adaptability of technology. Technology is a funny beast. It grows faster and faster. An exponential level of advancement. Arguably this is a continuing effect.
World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
We've been using the same goddamn weapons since the alpha/beta, bar a few exceptions like doomsday weapons. But there has been no arms race. Sure, the ships gradually and laboriously slowly get better... when Eve started, we had T1... a few years later, T2... and a few years after that, T3...
But they're still using the same damn guns. The same old, stagnant weapons we started with. They may get a % bonus to damage or RoF that's greater than lower-class ships of the line, but they're still using... the same weapons.
No scientist in New Eden appears to be working on NEW WEAPONS.
Here's what I'd like to see:
The Amarr Empire, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
The Caldari, employing exotic particle research involved in the creation of Amarr tachyon beams, invent a new tachyon-shielded warhead that slips through space instantly and arrives on target the second it is fired.
The Gallente, who strategically prefer defense over attack, combine high-explosive knowledge from the Minmatar Republic with their own drones, to create deployable self-regenerating minefields filled with seeking bomb-drones that function like a warp-bubble that hurts.
The Minmatar, thanks to their close relations with the fading Jovian empire, have secured exotic matter warhead technology never before seen among the four empires. These warheads are often unreliable, but when they function correctly, are devastating; capable of converting an Apocalypse battleship into a burning ball of exotic matter with a few solid strikes.
And here's the most important bit: this shit shouldn't be fair. Every few months, there should be a new breakthrough. A new weapon, just invented, that gives one empire an edge over the others... just long enough for the next counter-weapon to be developed.
tl;dr: New ships are nice. We want new weapons too. ("Like" this post if you agree, or post insults if you don't.)
How about we like the post *AND* post insults? :D
Seriously though, I like where your head is.
I dunno if you've taken a look yet, but you might be interested in reading about an idea of mine. Check out the link in my sig- "Intelligence shouldn't be free". You might like it.
Intelligence shouldn't be free. -á Mining, reloaded. -á-áADDICTED. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1633
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:14:00 -
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OP you should get drunk more often. |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
659
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:22:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:FugginNutz wrote:I love this man....no homo. Like 60% of the fun gone right there.
69.. percent shiptoastin' liek a baws |

Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
419
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:24:00 -
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Maybe we should try using a thunderstone? Pirates are red, buddies are blue, if you're unlucky enough to be orange, I'll f*cking kill you.I wonder if all the pickles in the forums are tax exempt? |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1646
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:28:00 -
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Mudflation Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D Internet Guardians
816
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:31:00 -
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When I get drunk I just fall down a lot. I would much prefer your kind of drunk. And on topic, those are some pretty good ideas for weaponry you've come up with and maybe if you refine it some more and submit it to CCP you might see them turn up at some point.
The only thing I would say is that expecting changes on such a scale every few months is impractical, perhaps once a year might be possible though  Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Jett0
Surface Warfare Tribal Band
177
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:08:00 -
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I read the first line and instantly agreed with everything that possibly followed. Occasionally plays sober |

Hawelt
Aurum Robotics
1
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:12:00 -
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So you want power creep just like WoW has ? Where a pretty good item would feature a +10ish attribute bonus on launch day and a few years later you'd end up with +1000 ?
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/power-creep/
I'd prefer new weapony to fullfill additional roles. There would still be the usual FOTM meta dynamic inbetween patch days. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1040
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:36:00 -
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Meson cannons.
That is all. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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