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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:08:00 -
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TACTICAL TRACTOR BEAMS. I love this idea. |
Kieron VonDeux
59
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:27:00 -
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Technologies, at some point, do stabalize for extended periods of time.
How long was the bow and arrow used before we got a lead projectile propelled by expanding gases? How long will we use this lead projectile until propelling another type of projectile by magnectic forces becomes common place?
The examples you shown from our recent history were complentments to existing technologies, not replacements. They tech you suggest seem to be more of a replacement, than a complement to existing tech in Eve.
Edit: Improvements through innovation ( ie, balancing ) should happen far more often than the breakthroughs that seem to suggest a whole new weapon system.
I dont't think Eve would be served by this and it would only lead to more problem in balacning than we already have. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
250
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:59:00 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Technologies, at some point, do stabalize for extended periods of time.
How long was the bow and arrow used before we got a lead projectile propelled by expanding gases? How long will we use this lead projectile until propelling another type of projectile by magnectic forces becomes common place?
The examples you shown from our recent history were complentments to existing technologies, not replacements. They tech you suggest seem to be more of a replacement, than a complement to existing tech in Eve.
Edit: Improvements through innovation ( ie, balancing ) should happen far more often than the breakthroughs that seem to suggest a whole new weapon system.
I dont't think Eve would be served by this and it would only lead to more problem in balacning than we already have.
Technological advancements were much slower in the past than today when we have a bigger population meaning more scientists and more knowledge to be shared/gained, etc. By now, things would be constantly evolving as I'm sure the total human population in the EVE cluster is unimaginably huge, which means there are a ton more scientists working on a lot of things and specializing deeper into little niche areas and stuff like that.
This graph comes to mind: http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/darkages.gif
BTW, the reason why technological advancements were slower in the past is because more people had to be part of the hunter-gatherer groups of civilization. Nowadays we have like 1% or 2% of the population being farmers that can feed the other 98-99% with some exceptions as some people feed themselves. So in the past there were few scientists and less knowledge to be known from previous technological advancements, so technology grew extremely slow. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
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Gulboy
Severasse Mining Severasse Militarized Mining Union
1
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:19:00 -
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The idea about more weapons makes sense if taken example of real world, but developers have to work hard not to cause a great deal of imbalance and/or make another weapon null and void. It's a hard job. My suggestion would be: why not make some type of bombs that would explode after going for 5 seconds and not exploding until it hits a target? It would be possible to snipe a tackler coming to you at 4km/s that way. Also these bombs would be harder to hit, but would deal more damage.
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Vince Arron
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:30:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The arms race. We've had one in recent history, the past (20th) century demonstrating the rapid and aggressive adaptability of technology. Technology is a funny beast. It grows faster and faster. An exponential level of advancement. Arguably this is a continuing effect.
World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
We've been using the same goddamn weapons since the alpha/beta, bar a few exceptions like doomsday weapons. But there has been no arms race. Sure, the ships gradually and laboriously slowly get better... when Eve started, we had T1... a few years later, T2... and a few years after that, T3...
But they're still using the same damn guns. The same old, stagnant weapons we started with. They may get a % bonus to damage or RoF that's greater than lower-class ships of the line, but they're still using... the same weapons.
No scientist in New Eden appears to be working on NEW WEAPONS.
Here's what I'd like to see:
The Amarr Empire, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
The Caldari, employing exotic particle research involved in the creation of Amarr tachyon beams, invent a new tachyon-shielded warhead that slips through space instantly and arrives on target the second it is fired.
The Gallente, who strategically prefer defense over attack, combine high-explosive knowledge from the Minmatar Republic with their own drones, to create deployable self-regenerating minefields filled with seeking bomb-drones that function like a warp-bubble that hurts.
The Minmatar, thanks to their close relations with the fading Jovian empire, have secured exotic matter warhead technology never before seen among the four empires. These warheads are often unreliable, but when they function correctly, are devastating; capable of converting an Apocalypse battleship into a burning ball of exotic matter with a few solid strikes.
And here's the most important bit: this shit shouldn't be fair. Every few months, there should be a new breakthrough. A new weapon, just invented, that gives one empire an edge over the others... just long enough for the next counter-weapon to be developed.
tl;dr: New ships are nice. We want new weapons too. ("Like" this post if you agree, or post insults if you don't.)
We had mines already, turns out of you lay them at a low sec gate, you can get concordokened 2 hours later in high sec once someone stumbles on them |
Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
25
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:42:00 -
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Another idea in this same direction, would be to have ships and modules that effect the power of weapons systems also effect their visual representation. I.E. the size of a given missile's explosion could scale with its effective damage modifier. |
Simca Develon
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
50
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:51:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:And here's the most important bit: this shit shouldn't be fair. Every few months, there should be a new breakthrough. A new weapon, just invented, that gives one empire an edge over the others... just long enough for the next counter-weapon to be developed.
So much this. Things shouldn't be fair or equal in a setup like this. One empire gains an edge and the others have to adapt. Would lead to out of the box thinking on tactics and fitting. I love it.
Je suis le commencement de votre fin. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. |
YuriKane
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:50:00 -
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I was doing a quest earlier and it said that an asteroid had hit one of the stations and killed a lot of people. I thought to myself, how could a civilization such as this not stop an asteroid from hitting a station? Wat? |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
29
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:16:00 -
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Misanth wrote:
t3 weaponry as well..)
This would be awesome. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:17:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:moar KA-BOOM ftw!
this stuff really annoyed my friend years back. the four races don't meet up and decide that their missiles do too much damage so lets reduce that, no they should develop counters! maybe not quite as powerful or frequently as you suggest, but new stuff is fun! I think the inferno mods are some great additions!
the new line of missiles! Em: chance to mess with targeting Exp: chance to do armor damage through shields Kin: chance to do structure damage through armor Therm: chance to do heat damage to modules
I want this, all of it, I'd be far happier with this concept than new weapons truthfully. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
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Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:17:00 -
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YuriKane wrote:I was doing a quest earlier and it said that an asteroid had hit one of the stations and killed a lot of people. I thought to myself, how could a civilization such as this not stop an asteroid from hitting a station? Wat? In before "Goons did it!" |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2012.07.31 03:55:00 -
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Ok...since players (aka capsuleers) are not the inventors of new tech, but rather the NPC corps and industries, they really need to be embroiled in a war for weapons tech evolution to take place.
My wager is that new weapons systems require not only design, but then the skills need to be added to the game, along with balancing and tweaking these weapons systems. Now, given that some systems (rails and rockets come to mind) have been broken until recently, I would much rather what we have be Working as Intended before we start piling more crap onto the heap. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1148
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Posted - 2012.07.31 04:06:00 -
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Its been ten years (almost).
We have had several new ships, several new classes of ships, new tank mods, some new weapons.
What, do you expect us to go from Civil War to WWII in a few weeks? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2069
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Posted - 2012.07.31 14:33:00 -
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YuriKane wrote:I was doing a quest earlier and it said that an asteroid had hit one of the stations and killed a lot of people. I thought to myself, how could a civilization such as this not stop an asteroid from hitting a station? Wat?
Maybe it was a rogue asteroid that happened into a wormhole and came out too near the station to be stopped?
Also, asteroids are far more difficult to stop than you might think. Most of the realistic plans for defending earth against an impact threat require months to modify the rock's orbit enough to guarantee a miss. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2069
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Posted - 2012.07.31 14:43:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Its been ten years (almost).
We have had several new ships, several new classes of ships, new tank mods, some new weapons.
What, do you expect us to go from Civil War to WWII in a few weeks?
Good point. For all the advancement of WW2, it was primarily refinements on existing technologies. The major developments that took place during the war came from decades of research:
- RADAR owes its origins to Tesla's radio experiments in the late 1890s. - Nuclear science originated in the research of scientists like the Curies...in the 1890s. - Jet engines and rocketry go much further back than that The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
36
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Posted - 2012.07.31 14:49:00 -
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Technological evolution? All for it!
Let's see, how about T3 equipment?
- phasing missiles (bypassing shields) and - phasing shields to counter that - auto-regenerating armor plating - automatic point defense cannons - cloaked torpedoes and drones
... I could go on.^^ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
81
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Posted - 2012.07.31 15:07:00 -
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Well,there are a few things to bear in mind here. Firstly no total war situation exists in eve like it did in ww2. If you compare to advancement in the present day then really things only get refined. 60 years on from ww2 we are still using mostly the same tech as then with the only major changes being computers and satellites, everything else is just refined. Many countries on the planet have militaries still using 1960s tech in fact. Really eves rate of change is quite quick.
Secondly eve tech is always developed from outside sources. They are basically rediscovering stuff. The initial capsule tech and later t2 came from the jovians (who are careful not to give too much), and later advances came from terran and sleeper tech (basically through archaeology). This limits what can be discovered to bursts of understanding.
Finally the societies in eve don't really lend themselves to tech advancement. Minmatar civilisation is fractured and tribal. They don't really co-operate enough however good they are at jury rigging jovian tech back together. The amarr are a theocracy, which is a form of government not known for embracing new ideas. The caldari are an oligarchy, who will purposefully block advancement if it threatens profits (like todays oil companie sin a way). The gallente are the society most suited to tech advancement but they are in a kind of hedonistic who cares mode when they aren't engaged in a full on war. |
Medarr
ZeroSec
4
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Posted - 2012.07.31 15:21:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:TACTICAL TRACTOR BEAMS. I love this idea.
What the beer keg floated out of reach?
* grins *
Its good to see your still around Istvaan |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
271
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Posted - 2012.07.31 15:25:00 -
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MY RIFTER needs death rays. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Toxic Waste Industries
118
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Posted - 2012.07.31 15:30:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:10 years...
In World War II, designs went from blueprint to build within a span of months, not years.
And look where we have gone since then... It takes 20+ years to develop a fighter that lights itself on fire when using afterburners or dumps fuel. As well it's out flown and 4x the cost of cold war legacy fighters it's slotted to replace. Lets put it this way, Kelly Jounson would be ashamed that his lockeed martin is producing **** designed to steal money from tax payers instead of actually kill things. And yes i'm talking about the f-35
We can only assume the kind kind of back room posturing and lobbying responsible for such a step backwards is present in eve. Newer design does no = better design. |
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Xin Veaux DuBois
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:00:00 -
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in the case of EVE, and New Eden, the arms race is going strong.
new weapons would be nice, but its alot to ask, since they would have to fit into existing powergrids and CPUs, which are already tight fits for optimal output.
instead of focusing on weapons, the arms race is more about making new ships. Getting more ships into space, and better organized and trained capsuleers.
Surely this was what led to the t3 cruisers that dominate the game in so many ways. New weapons are not necessarily needed. It is easy for us to think in the paradigm of WW2, because it is heralded, but in truth the arms race that spawned failed in the 1980s.
It has even been shown in Afghanistan that the most awesome weapons, and high technology, can be defeated by environment.
Space is a much harsher environment, and we are in a perpetual war fought by bigoted immortals.
Obviously, the arms race is evident in the new mining vessels that are seeing production open up in a few months. That is where the science of winning the war lies. We all know that, properly fit, even a t1 gun can win in combat situations where pilots are trained and properly supported. It is the minerals to build more ships that will win the conflict.
Also bear in mind that the arms race philosophy was one of nation states. In EVE we are more in line with corporate models of profit. While Roden Industries might want to make a missile that uses Amar tech to travel instantly to its destination, the logistics of creating that RnD dept. is vastly difficult, and will be mismanaged and corrupted until its just senior executives boosting up in pleasure hubs.
Its been tried, but consistently failed, as T2 and better weapons do their jobs to excellent ability.
It is also worth noting that pilot skill also comes into play with corps. On any given day in EvE, how many untalented Gurista and Serpentis pilots outfit their ships with t1 mods to protect corporate interests throughout the galaxy?
While players may drunkenly think they are the most important feature of New Eden, game developers know that there are literally billions of people living on the planets that rely upon free trade and commerce throughout space. Exotic weapons would only bring warfare to a much greater destructive level.
Drug addicts at a drug convention might push for stronger Oxycodone, but the developers know better. |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
142
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:19:00 -
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I hope more live events occur. Oh live events.. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
281
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:00:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Disclaimer: this is a drunk post.
The arms race. We've had one in recent history, the past (20th) century demonstrating the rapid and aggressive adaptability of technology. Technology is a funny beast. It grows faster and faster. An exponential level of advancement. Arguably this is a continuing effect.
World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
We've been using the same goddamn weapons since the alpha/beta, bar a few exceptions like doomsday weapons. But there has been no arms race. Sure, the ships gradually and laboriously slowly get better... when Eve started, we had T1... a few years later, T2... and a few years after that, T3...
But they're still using the same damn guns. The same old, stagnant weapons we started with. They may get a % bonus to damage or RoF that's greater than lower-class ships of the line, but they're still using... the same weapons.
No scientist in New Eden appears to be working on NEW WEAPONS.
Here's what I'd like to see:
The Amarr Empire, after decades of technological collaboration with the Caldari State, discovers a method of projecting a particle free vacuum-beam through which an anti-matter beam can be channeled without the risk of anti-matter encountering matter until it hits the target. These weapons produce intense blast and kinetic effects upon impact.
The Caldari, employing exotic particle research involved in the creation of Amarr tachyon beams, invent a new tachyon-shielded warhead that slips through space instantly and arrives on target the second it is fired.
The Gallente, who strategically prefer defense over attack, combine high-explosive knowledge from the Minmatar Republic with their own drones, to create deployable self-regenerating minefields filled with seeking bomb-drones that function like a warp-bubble that hurts.
The Minmatar, thanks to their close relations with the fading Jovian empire, have secured exotic matter warhead technology never before seen among the four empires. These warheads are often unreliable, but when they function correctly, are devastating; capable of converting an Apocalypse battleship into a burning ball of exotic matter with a few solid strikes.
And here's the most important bit: this shit shouldn't be fair. Every few months, there should be a new breakthrough. A new weapon, just invented, that gives one empire an edge over the others... just long enough for the next counter-weapon to be developed.
tl;dr: New ships are nice. We want new weapons too. ("Like" this post if you agree, or post insults if you don't.)
You forgot:
The Jovians, the supreme master race that gives to other factions the technology that another invented to keep it fair.
Plus they can one volley a Titan with their noob ships. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Adhesive charge launchers
A weapon system launching a charged warhead that, once delivered, will attach itself to its target and apply damage over time until it burns itself out.
Mediocre DPS compared to conventional weaponry, but it will continue to deliver its payload for the entire duration, even if the attacker or the target warps off, or the attacker is destroyed.
E-war payloads of various kinds are of course a possibility too. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
17
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:49:00 -
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Supported. I want to see new, really new things. Interesting things. Countermeasures to those interesting things and countermeasures to those countermeasures in a constantly shifting and spiraling game of power between the empires. |
Haulin Gneiss
babymuncho Corp
47
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:52:00 -
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When's my exotic dancer launcher coming? |
Haulin Gneiss
babymuncho Corp
47
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:53:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:Adhesive charge launchers
A weapon system launching a charged warhead that, once delivered, will attach itself to its target and apply damage over time until it burns itself out.
Mediocre DPS compared to conventional weaponry, but it will continue to deliver its payload for the entire duration, even if the attacker or the target warps off, or the attacker is destroyed.
E-war payloads of various kinds are of course a possibility too.
Sticky icky bombs laden with space herpes |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1174
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:00:00 -
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A way to build snowballs.
That is all. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1552
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:57:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:10 years...
In World War II, designs went from blueprint to build within a span of months, not years.
I guess it helped that almost every Ph.D. in the world was employed in the arms industry in one way or another. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
45
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:56:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:World War I: Infantry waves, trench warfare, brutal artillery. Stalemate-breaker: Tanks.
World War II: Blitzkrieg warfare, tanks, aircraft and carriers. Stalemate-breaker: The atomic bomb.
You see what I'm getting at, don't you?
All I see is a guy who does not know history lol
Stalemate breaker?
Try life saver... we had no stalemate... the bombs were dropped to force japan to end the war as a invasion of the homeland woulda be epic bloody for BOTH sides...
Also WW II Current day
What we got?
More powerful nukes... Faster better armored tanks... larger carriers Jet carriers
MAYBE a rail gun...
Um... ya your super fast progression does not really fit... |
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