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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr Order of the Golden Lobster
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:55:00 -
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Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."
The reason I bring this up is because the Kestrel pilot was relying on things going RIGHT. Regardless of whether the 0rphanage was or was not hacking, or he was or was not caught by lag, or he was just plain dumb, the Kestrel pilot was carrying an enourmously expensive load, during wartime, with no safety precautions beyond an expectancy that his speed would keep him safe.
That's a surpreme overconfidence and an expectancy that Murphy's Law won't come into play. Regardless of what else may or may not have happened, that makes me regard the Kestrel pilot as pretty stupid. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:28:00 -
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CCP probably ecstatic that people can pay them 1K$ and then blow it all up. CCP doesn't have to provide service or anything in that exchange.
Who care if after paying 1K$ the guy ragequits? It wouldve taken forever for him to get up to 1K$ in terms of normal subscription.
And the monkey example is wrong. Let me have a go. Mr. Evil goes to a public place with lots of people. He leaves a gun there. Someone picks the gun up and procedes to shoot someone else. Legally Mr. Evil can't be charged with homicide. Negligence yes, depending on local law. Maybe a prosecutor might try for manslaughter although thats probably going to fall through.
In the end is Mr. Evil an *******? Yes.
*I would like to point out that guns&murder is far beyond what CCP have done. All they've done is provide a paper shredder labeled "Insert 30$ Here."
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Cromo Effect The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.
I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:
* Use a courier contract. * Use an audit container/Orca. * Fly covert ops. * Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies. * Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs. * Not be a dumb-ass. * Any or all of the above.
Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.
Or do the sensible thing and after buying the PLEXs reverse redeem them into redeemable items, move to destination, dock up, redeem PLEXs and have them pop in in station. Flawless victory.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Builder Robert Or do the sensible thing and after buying the PLEXs reverse redeem them into redeemable items, move to destination, dock up, redeem PLEXs and have them pop in in station. Flawless victory.
Originally by: Dev Blog ò If you redeem a PLEX into a station and then reverse-redeem it back into the item redeeming system, the PLEX is now locked to that that particular station. Every time you redeem it, it will only redeem into the same station.
Dev Blog: PLEX? In my space? It's more likely than you think.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita CCP probably ecstatic that people can pay them 1K$ and then blow it all up. CCP doesn't have to provide service or anything in that exchange.
This is what bugs me about you people ... let me explain:
John Doe buys 74 PLEX' off the market. 74 people just got the service they wanted for that PLEX. They got the ISK they choose to convert the PLEX to.
John Doe is either going to sell them elsewhere for a markup, or using them for his own gametime. If he is going to use it for gametime, he can apply them whenever he wants, from wherever he is, as long as he keeps them in the first layer of his hangar. (not in a container or something, tho this is speculation on my part) He also got his 'service'.
If John Doe decides (look up the meaning of that word if you are confused about this issue) to try and make more ISK of them then he paid for them. John Doe just decided to use those PLEX' as trade commodity.
Now please give me ONE good reason, why this trade commodity should have a special status, while the service the original 'creator' of the PLEX is provided.
Quote: And the monkey example is wrong. Let me have a go. Mr. Evil goes to a public place with lots of people. He leaves a gun there. Someone picks the gun up and procedes to shoot someone else. Legally Mr. Evil can't be charged with homicide. Negligence yes, depending on local law. Maybe a prosecutor might try for manslaughter although thats probably going to fall through.
In the end is Mr. Evil an *******? Yes.
This makes no sense whatsoever, even with the added explanation I cut off. In your story Mr. Evil leaves something that someone else picks up, and uses.
CCP didn't code it so that you can loose your PLEX if you dont decide to make it vulnerable by undocking it. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Shiho Weitong
Caldari Legion of Punken Dredators
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."
Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.
Approximation of Murphys Law: "Anything that can happen within any given span of time, will happen during a span of time." Can't find my copy of "Stores selling Volume I have not heard of Volume II; stores selling Volume II have run out of Volume I." So it might be a bit off.
Often paraphrased as "Everything that can go wrong, will" Even though "Everything that can go right, will" Is as precise a representation of what murphys law really is.
Really, it's not that strange that most people don't even know this as even Wikipedia has it wrong, even though it can correctly list most of the good sources for background information on good ole murphy. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shiho Weitong
Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."
Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.
Approximation of Murphys Law: "Anything that can happen within any given span of time, will happen during a span of time." Can't find my copy of "Stores selling Volume I have not heard of Volume II; stores selling Volume II have run out of Volume I." So it might be a bit off.
Often paraphrased as "Everything that can go wrong, will" Even though "Everything that can go right, will" Is as precise a representation of what murphys law really is.
Really, it's not that strange that most people don't even know this as even Wikipedia has it wrong, even though it can correctly list most of the good sources for background information on good ole murphy.
What a lucky situation that everyone can edit pages on wikipedia and you can fix it. :)
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shiho Weitong
Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."
Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.
Approximation of Murphys Law: "Anything that can happen within any given span of time, will happen during a span of time." Can't find my copy of "Stores selling Volume I have not heard of Volume II; stores selling Volume II have run out of Volume I." So it might be a bit off.
Often paraphrased as "Everything that can go wrong, will" Even though "Everything that can go right, will" Is as precise a representation of what murphys law really is.
Really, it's not that strange that most people don't even know this as even Wikipedia has it wrong, even though it can correctly list most of the good sources for background information on good ole murphy.
Got to love a pedant who's wrong.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shiho Weitong
Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.
Just because it's one of your favourite "laws", I'll give you a free clue. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:33:00 -
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screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen. --
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden |
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.
Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard
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Slug Killer
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:38:00 -
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Anyone that thinks it was random that these didnt drop, is ******ed lol. This is the entire reason CCP made this change, my guess is massive stacks of plex, never, ever, ever drop. Its just free money into the CCP wallet yanked from players for absolutely nothing to gain. RL money mind you, those were bought and paid for and will never be used. That is priceless, and the fact that nobody finds an issue with it, is even more priceless. GG ccp, you managed to take 1k dollars / 800 or whatever euros from your customers and provide 0 content / game time for it. I got to say in the states, Im pretty sure there would be a legal issue with this, however im sure its fine in Iceland, this is just fantastic lol.
Btw: I am in no way defending the ******ed pilot that did this, and lost all of it, that part is hillarious. Im just laughing at how CCP can get away with it. GJ 0rphanage.
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:19:00 -
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Best part is they are all saying we exploited lag or used some hax
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: CyberRaver
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.
Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard
ofcourse you are able to prove it with a ss, right? --
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden |
CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: CyberRaver
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.
Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard
ofcourse you are able to prove it with a ss, right?
If you knew a thing about the API you would know we dont need to right? And i can provide you with a SS proving your a tard if you like :) API verified = its real no questions
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: CyberRaver
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.
Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard
ofcourse you are able to prove it with a ss, right?
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: CyberRaver Edited by: CyberRaver on 08/08/2010 23:25:29 delete me]
I tried, I couldn access your account tho ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:46:00 -
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Deleted myself once before, was boring so came back
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:51:00 -
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The real question is:-
If you have to spend real isk- why ever go to Jita 4-4?
to be safe there are better hubs within a few jumps....
N00b mistake.... very sad for those who now have to pay for Eve lol...
I just pay anyway so I dont care lololol
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Slug Killer Edited by: Slug Killer on 08/08/2010 23:38:16 Anyone that thinks it was random that these didnt drop, is ******ed lol. This is the entire reason CCP made this change, my guess is massive stacks of plex, never, ever, ever drop. Its just free money into the CCP wallet yanked from players for absolutely nothing to gain. RL money mind you, those were bought and paid for and will never be used. That is priceless, and the fact that nobody finds an issue with it, is even more priceless. GG ccp, you managed to take 1k dollars / 800 or whatever euros from your customers and provide 0 content / game time for it. I got to say in the states, Im pretty sure there would be a legal issue with this, however im sure its fine in Iceland, this is just fantastic lol.
Btw: I am in no way defending the ******ed pilot that did this, and lost all of it, that part is hillarious. Im just laughing at how CCP can get away with it. GJ 0rphanage.
PS: CCP Until you make it so that plex are indestructible and always no matter what drop, I will have no respect for your company. You sold that time, allowing it to vanish into thin air and not provide a service to your customers is a massive FU to your playerbase. Id say Id cancel all my accouts / quit etc, but I already mostly have earlier because of the lag reasons and Summer time.
Can I have your stuff?
also, They see me Trollin'
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Tezrha Jilani
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:54:00 -
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Dear
Gods
Of
Fortune
I know Spacemonkeys fail, but...but words cannot describe this.
This or the cruelty of fate to rob you of such incredible spoils!!
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Scheulagh Santorine
Best Path Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Scheulagh Santorine on 09/08/2010 04:30:51
Originally by: Barrechor ...
Landing 2-5k off a station when youve clicked "Warp to 0" is a bug that shouldnt be there.
If you need to insta-dock you can create a bookmark that is closer to the station. Competent pilots who move valuable stuff know this. Its not something that needs "fixed." The 'Warp to 0m' command lands you in a 2.5km sphere around the desired point, which keeps ships from bumping the crap out of each other when they land on gates/stations.
S.S.
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Khen'do Khen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.09 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
This is what bugs me about you people ... let me explain:
John Doe buys 74 PLEX' off the market. 74 people just got the service they wanted for that PLEX. They got the ISK they choose to convert the PLEX to.
John Doe is either going to sell them elsewhere for a markup, or using them for his own gametime. If he is going to use it for gametime, he can apply them whenever he wants, from wherever he is, as long as he keeps them in the first layer of his hangar. (not in a container or something, tho this is speculation on my part) He also got his 'service'.
If John Doe decides (look up the meaning of that word if you are confused about this issue) to try and make more ISK of them then he paid for them. John Doe just decided to use those PLEX' as trade commodity.
Now please give me ONE good reason, why this trade commodity should have a special status, while the service the original 'creator' of the PLEX is provided.
CCP didn't code it so that you can loose your PLEX if you dont decide to make it vulnerable by undocking it.
Ressiv is right. If someone decides to move PLEX and use it as a trade commodity, it should be treated like every other trade commodity in the game.
CCP shouldn't lock PLEX down to any particular station. What we want to do with it should be our decision. You should be able to move it. And like everything else you can transport in the game, it should be destructible. Why shouldn't it be? It doesn't have to be moved to be used. If someone wants to move it to another station to try to turn a profit from it, then someone else should be able to jack it, and if it gets blown up in the fight then so be it. Once it's been turned into ISK the first time, it's served it's initial purpose. If a person wants to take it beyond that initial purpose, there should be risk/reward involved. And seeing as how there's risk/reward involved for the transporter, the person who is jacking the transporter should not be guaranteed a PLEX if they have a successful jack move. Sometimes items get destroyed in a fight, and this one item should be no exception.
Everyone knows the cardinal rule is don't undock with it if you don't want to lose it. If CCP were to change the game mechanic of the PLEX, the only thing I could see that might make sense would be to make it take up more cargo space so that you can't move that many at a time. I'm not advocating that though. I'm advocating people making their own decisions on what to do with the items they have. And really, who here wouldn't suicide gank someone who has that many PLEX in their cargo hold, just based on principal? Hell, if I did it, I would hope the PLEX would be blown up in the fight!
Pertaining to the whole "warp to 0" thing, I reference the cardinal rule again, don't undock with it if you don't want to lose it.
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Goldman Suchs
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Posted - 2010.08.09 07:35:00 -
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That is some epic fail right there. I am incredulous that anyone with access to that many resouces could be so dumb.
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Eve Orwell
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eve Orwell on 09/08/2010 08:01:48 this thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy
this is the kind of stupidity that echos throughout eve history
Edit: its not ccps fault, if you felt like it was a good idea to undock 74 plexes in a cyno kestrel, you deserve to be blown up and then you should go hang yourself
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:10:00 -
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From the SMA board "Freakishdude: All Comments deleted." - B'AWWW.
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:20:00 -
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"The Orphanage- Enforcing Darwins Law In Space Since 2010"
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:48:00 -
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Just to clear this up; this guy PROBABLY did this on purpouse. AFAIK, he cleared all alliance wallets and assets he could reach, and bought PLEX' for it.
He then proceeded to undock and get blown up. It wouldnt surprise me if he was a spy tbh, or a very disgrunted employee. (Or VERY borded/drunk/intoxicated/planning to leave EVE with a b00m, etc.)
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enterprisePSI
Gallente Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.08.09 10:00:00 -
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Tears, or the titan dies!
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Sa'Shena
Amarr Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2010.08.09 10:28:00 -
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I bought this for the Kestrel pilot.
Fitting, wouldn't you say?
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