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First off, this is a nice isk kill for us so im certainly happy about that.

The thing that bothers me about it though is that hes lost 74 PLEX because CCP would rather throw crap excuses for "Expansions" at us rather than trying to fix the many problems the game already has.

Landing 2-5k off a station when youve clicked "Warp to 0" is a bug that shouldnt be there.

If you own a car showroom and you have a car with a rusty door, you dont add alloy wheels to it to make it look better........ you replace the door.

Sort it out CCP.

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Originally by: DocKevorkian

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As epic as this kill is (truly, truly epic -- a kill for the ages) I can't help but be troubled by CCP's lame justification for making plexes portable ("We hate having special things") when the $~1000 cash paid for the plexes that will never have to be honored is obviously the reason.

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Originally by: DocKevorkian

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As epic as this kill is (truly, truly epic -- a kill for the ages) I can't help but be troubled by CCP's lame justification for making plexes portable ("We hate having special things") when the $~1000 cash paid for the plexes that will never have to be honored is obviously the reason.

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Originally by: Darek Castigatus

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Originally by: DocKevorkian

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As epic as this kill is (truly, truly epic -- a kill for the ages) I can't help but be troubled by CCP's lame justification for making plexes portable ("We hate having special things") when the $~1000 cash paid for the plexes that will never have to be honored is obviously the reason.

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which he could have redeemed in perfect safety without ever leaving a station, his choice to undock and his responsibility for the loss, bugger all to do with ccp.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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*yaaaawn*

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Originally by: Bella Yar

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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*Doomsday preaching*

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u mad?

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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harblgarbl

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 07/08/2010 22:55:37

Originally by: Darek Castigatus

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Originally by: DocKevorkian

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As epic as this kill is (truly, truly epic -- a kill for the ages) I can't help but be troubled by CCP's lame justification for making plexes portable ("We hate having special things") when the $~1000 cash paid for the plexes that will never have to be honored is obviously the reason.

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which he could have redeemed in perfect safety without ever leaving a station, his choice to undock and his responsibility for the loss, bugger all to do with ccp.

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So if I were to throw a gun into a monkey cage it wouldn't be my responsibility if they ended up shooting eachother or (heavens forbid) the poor zoo employees/visitors?

I believe your view of 'responsibility' might need a check-up.

An intelligent entity according to current human social standards CAN in fact be held accountable for his or her actions pertaining in the (unnatural) manipulation of a lesser intelligent entity to exploit it.. anyway according to greenpeace and several environmentalist laws passed by many beaurocratic entities.

Oh wait, did I just render the entirity of the marketing and advertising strategies 'free world' corporations use illegal and unethical?.. I think I did.


We live in a world full of hypocracy, and mankind is unlikely to change soon.

We have forgotten why it is we trade (to share your knowledge/skill/expertise or services with others in the hope they will share theirs with you for mutual benefit), and have come to see MONEY as the end-all goal of trading and, in fact, living.

Money is merely a tool created to make trading easier while in the end all it has done is put a wall between us and the people we are trading with.
Money has resulted in people not being able to see the happiness their work brings to others, the WHOLE REASON we trade to begin with.
MONEY has completely consumed our society and is now concidered the single most important thing to have and aquire in this world.
MONEY has transformed from being the road to the destination.

Money is the root of all deception, bad advertising, poor quality products, bad QA, bad PR and it has literally removed our very reason for trading.. to see a smile on the buyers face as he looks over your finely produced product and inspects it for any flaws. Feeling angry with yourself when he does in fact find a flaw, but also feeling an incredible job satisfaction as the customer complements you on your fine work and accepts the trade.

More news at 11.


DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.
All I am trying to say is this is a complicated matter and should not be concidered as lightly as you do, if at all.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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So if I were to throw a gun into a monkey cage it wouldn't be my responsibility if they ended up shooting eachother or (heavens forbid) the poor zoo employees/visitors?

I believe your view of 'responsibility' might need a check-up.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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wordswordswordswords

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Originally by: Xereyn

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To give you a marginally more applicable analogy: If someone builds a bridge, they are providing people with the option of crossing it. However, if someone then jumps off the bridge and dies, the bridge-builders are in no way responsible for that person's death.

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Originally by: Zer0 kooL

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You ****ing idiot! Moron alliance leader screwing over the rest of us once again.
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So... does this mean this was an alliance leader alt?

and...

Does this mean this was alliance isk... Please Confirm the lol.

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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Confirming that I am the best poster.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.
All I am trying to say is this is a complicated matter and should not be concidered as lightly as you do, if at all.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:

* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.

Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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Originally by: Zer0 kooL

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Edited by: Zer0 kooL on 08/08/2010 10:15:58
And Oh My God....

http://smalliance.com/killboards/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2847

"pizzabox: 2010-08-08 07:08:49

You ****ing idiot! Moron alliance leader screwing over the rest of us once again.
"

So... does this mean this was an alliance leader alt?

and

"timm3h: 2010-08-08 07:23:21

I knew this was a stupid idea. GG

I guess we know where that alliance wallet investment went you **** face.

Pray I don't find out where you live. You are now KOS. Invest in that *****!
"

Does this mean this was alliance isk... Please Confirm the lol.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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ChYph3r: 2010-08-08 11:01:34 Stop making comments right now! It is being petitioned and when it is reversed I will see to it all kill boards have this exploit removed. The threads featuring this kill are also being petitioned. So everyone relax and chill out.

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ChYph3r: 2010-08-08 11:05:22 Also if you don't chill I will see to it personally you are removed from monkey space never to be allowed back. The guy was unlucky and that in combination with 0rphanage exploiting lag in Kits this happened. So back off. Everyone is allowed to make a mistake.

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Originally by: Ressiv

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.
All I am trying to say is this is a complicated matter and should not be concidered as lightly as you do, if at all.

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It's not that complicated. The dumbass in the kestrel needs to biomass his toon and GB2W. Other then that it's NO different then getting a BPO run ganked. You should look at ISK value, not at what the item can be used for.

If we ARE going to look what an item can be used for, and add that to it's value, then a Hulk is worth much more then a PLEX. Loosing a Hulk is loosing many times that amount of ISK, in the long run. Same applies to a POS, etc.

First rule applies: Don't undock what you can't afford to lose.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:

* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.

Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.

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No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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Originally by: Zer0 kooL

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:

* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.

Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.

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No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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Well to save the moderators some time.... IT WAS MIH Ub3R L337 G1Bs0N *****1nG P0\/\/3Rz Th4T D00M3|) Y0uR P00R L1tt|_3 KesTrelZ...

So next time you or anyone in your alliance dies remember... It was because of Zer0 Kool aka Crash Override aka Dade Murphy aka EVE ***** aka Gibson Cracker aka 74 30 D4y EVE Pl3x T1m3 CarD HolD1nG KeStr3l 40Km OffStaTi0n W4rP ExPl0iTeR!

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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I am not in Space Monkeys you troll!

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ChYph3r: 2010-08-08 13:07:53
What part of STFU on these comments don't you guys understand? Lucifer, I hope you enjoyed your time in Space Monkeys. Welcome to being KOS dumbass.

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Originally by: thoth rothschild

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* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.

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That won't help. I know a lot of people who are willing to suizide gank for 74 plexes and a covert ops is still a frigate which can be killed in a single volley.

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Originally by: CyberRaver

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Shame it didnt drop

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Originally by: Telsiah

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This kill has exposured the many deep fissures that exist within Space Monkeys Alliance, The lack of foresight and a substandard and intellectually limited leadership that afflicts Space Monkeys Alliance.

Space Monkeys are the laughing stock of eve and rightfully so. Instead of condemning this pilot for such a devastating loss the Space monkey alliance has sought whitewash his this whole episode and come up with scapegoats and conspiracy theories.

The space monkeys should do what is needed and disband thier alliance to save face and prevent further embarrassment upon its members.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:

* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.

Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.

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No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.

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I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:

* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.

Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.

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Originally by: Builder Robert

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Or do the sensible thing and after buying the PLEXs reverse redeem them into redeemable items, move to destination, dock up, redeem PLEXs and have them pop in in station. Flawless victory.

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Originally by: Dev Blog

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ò If you redeem a PLEX into a station and then reverse-redeem it back into the item redeeming system, the PLEX is now locked to that that particular station. Every time you redeem it, it will only redeem into the same station.

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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita

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CCP probably ecstatic that people can pay them 1K$ and then blow it all up. CCP doesn't have to provide service or anything in that exchange.

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And the monkey example is wrong. Let me have a go. Mr. Evil goes to a public place with lots of people. He leaves a gun there. Someone picks the gun up and procedes to shoot someone else. Legally Mr. Evil can't be charged with homicide. Negligence yes, depending on local law. Maybe a prosecutor might try for manslaughter although thats probably going to fall through.

In the end is Mr. Evil an *******? Yes.

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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee

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Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."

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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

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You win, and thank you.

Originally by: Shiho Weitong

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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee

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Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."

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Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.

Approximation of Murphys Law: "Anything that can happen within any given span of time, will happen during a span of time."
Can't find my copy of "Stores selling Volume I have not heard of Volume II; stores selling Volume II have run out of Volume I." So it might be a bit off.

Often paraphrased as "Everything that can go wrong, will" Even though "Everything that can go right, will" Is as precise a representation of what murphys law really is.

Really, it's not that strange that most people don't even know this as even Wikipedia has it wrong, even though it can correctly list most of the good sources for background information on good ole murphy.

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Originally by: Shiho Weitong

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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee

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Just wondering here if anyone is familiar with the principle of Murphy's Law? If you aren't, it goes "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And it will go wrong in the worst possible way." Some version tack on "...and something can ALWAYS go wrong."

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Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.

Approximation of Murphys Law: "Anything that can happen within any given span of time, will happen during a span of time."
Can't find my copy of "Stores selling Volume I have not heard of Volume II; stores selling Volume II have run out of Volume I." So it might be a bit off.

Often paraphrased as "Everything that can go wrong, will" Even though "Everything that can go right, will" Is as precise a representation of what murphys law really is.

Really, it's not that strange that most people don't even know this as even Wikipedia has it wrong, even though it can correctly list most of the good sources for background information on good ole murphy.

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Originally by: Shiho Weitong

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Just because this is one of my most favorite "laws" I'll have to correct you.

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.

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Originally by: CyberRaver

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.

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Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Originally by: CyberRaver

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.

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Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard

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ofcourse you are able to prove it with a ss, right?

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Originally by: CyberRaver

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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screen shot of combat log killmail showing plex's destroyed or it didn't happen.

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Its API verified, they got popped its real, and yes your a tard

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ofcourse you are able to prove it with a ss, right?

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Originally by: CyberRaver

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Edited by: CyberRaver on 08/08/2010 23:25:29
delete me]

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Originally by: Slug Killer

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Edited by: Slug Killer on 08/08/2010 23:38:16
Anyone that thinks it was random that these didnt drop, is ******ed lol. This is the entire reason CCP made this change, my guess is massive stacks of plex, never, ever, ever drop. Its just free money into the CCP wallet yanked from players for absolutely nothing to gain. RL money mind you, those were bought and paid for and will never be used. That is priceless, and the fact that nobody finds an issue with it, is even more priceless. GG ccp, you managed to take 1k dollars / 800 or whatever euros from your customers and provide 0 content / game time for it. I got to say in the states, Im pretty sure there would be a legal issue with this, however im sure its fine in Iceland, this is just fantastic lol.

Btw: I am in no way defending the ******ed pilot that did this, and lost all of it, that part is hillarious. Im just laughing at how CCP can get away with it. GJ 0rphanage.

PS: CCP Until you make it so that plex are indestructible and always no matter what drop, I will have no respect for your company. You sold that time, allowing it to vanish into thin air and not provide a service to your customers is a massive FU to your playerbase. Id say Id cancel all my accouts / quit etc, but I already mostly have earlier because of the lag reasons and Summer time.

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Originally by: Barrechor

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Landing 2-5k off a station when youve clicked "Warp to 0" is a bug that shouldnt be there.

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Originally by: Ressiv

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This is what bugs me about you people ... let me explain:

John Doe buys 74 PLEX' off the market. 74 people just got the service they wanted for that PLEX. They got the ISK they choose to convert the PLEX to.

John Doe is either going to sell them elsewhere for a markup, or using them for his own gametime. If he is going to use it for gametime, he can apply them whenever he wants, from wherever he is, as long as he keeps them in the first layer of his hangar. (not in a container or something, tho this is speculation on my part) He also got his 'service'.

If John Doe decides (look up the meaning of that word if you are confused about this issue) to try and make more ISK of them then he paid for them. John Doe just decided to use those PLEX' as trade commodity.

Now please give me ONE good reason, why this trade commodity should have a special status, while the service the original 'creator' of the PLEX is provided.

CCP didn't code it so that you can loose your PLEX if you dont decide to make it vulnerable by undocking it.

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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty

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From the SMA board "Freakishdude: All Comments deleted." - B'AWWW.

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Someone hacked their kill board and posted all those comments...

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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That being said it is time to let this thread die.

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Originally by: Ressiv

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Just to clear this up; this guy PROBABLY did this on purpouse. AFAIK, he cleared all alliance wallets and assets he could reach, and bought PLEX' for it.

He then proceeded to undock and get blown up. It wouldnt surprise me if he was a spy tbh, or a very disgrunted employee. (Or VERY borded/drunk/intoxicated/planning to leave EVE with a b00m, etc.)

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty

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From the SMA board "Freakishdude: All Comments deleted." - B'AWWW.

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Someone hacked their kill board and posted all those comments so its not like there was drama to begin with. That being said it is time to let this thread die.

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Originally by: Slug Killer

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GG ccp, you managed to take 1k dollars / 800 or whatever euros from your customers and provide 0 content / game time for it. I got to say in the states, Im pretty sure there would be a legal issue with this, however im sure its fine in Iceland, this is just fantastic lol.

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Jita, The Forge - On 112.08.07, a Kestrel frigate carrying 74 Pilot's License Extensions [PLEX] worth about 22 billion ISK, was blown up just outside of the Jita 4-4 station.

The frigate, piloted by Aystra of SpaceMonkeyÆs Alliance, was destroyed by slickdog and Viktor Vegas of The 0rphanage Alliance as part of a CONCORD sanctioned war between the two entities. It remains unclear why the frigate pilot took the risk to move such a valuable cargo during an active war.

According to wilbongbe of the SpaceMonkeyÆs Alliance, we might never know the reasons behind the attempted move, as the weight of the tremendous ISK loss pushed Aystra to immediately put an end to her capsuleering days.

The attacking pilots were unaware of the precious cargo and they immediately eliminated the wreck to deny any theft by scavenger pilots.

"I would probably be kicked out [of the alliance] if [PLEX] were to drop... I was the one that killed the wreck," concluded slickdog.

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Originally by: Bal'Ayle

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has anyone checked to see if PLEX's drop after a kill? iv never heard of one dropping so far every-time they get brought out in cargo and the ship dies they are lost, i mean it seems a bit "funny" that no-one thought to check what the drop ratio for plexes are, ccp could make a lot of money by simply having them blow up at a higher rate then normal items because lets face it, they practically become free money for ccp when the dissapear. John Doe buys 10 plexes, loses 10 plexes. all thats happened is ccp got the cash for the plexes and with no proof that they have been lost to fair mechanics have had them dissapear off the game meaning they pocket the cash with no legitimate complaint from mr Doe.

im not complaining mind, this is an epic kill i just find it a bit funny that out of 74 plex's not one dropped considering their net worth its just a bit odd. cudos to the aggressor and ccp on a fine kill and profit though ^^ why didnt they can them? i will never know ><

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Originally by: ROXGenghis

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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7118520

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Originally by: Bal'Ayle

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thank you for clearing that up, im no conspiracy theorist im just curious to find out what we base this trust on, although seeing a kill with a plex drop is very reassuring. though might i point out you offer no reference for the dice roll of 50%, nor do i believe there ever will be one available, the truth of it is its just to beneficial for CCP to have a higher destruction rate on plexes then any other item in the game. needless to say im not complaining because its opened up some rather lucrative options for me but i still get the feeling we don't know the whole truth on this one

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 07/08/2010 22:55:37

Originally by: Darek Castigatus

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Originally by: DocKevorkian

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As epic as this kill is (truly, truly epic -- a kill for the ages) I can't help but be troubled by CCP's lame justification for making plexes portable ("We hate having special things") when the $~1000 cash paid for the plexes that will never have to be honored is obviously the reason.

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which he could have redeemed in perfect safety without ever leaving a station, his choice to undock and his responsibility for the loss, bugger all to do with ccp.

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So if I were to throw a gun into a monkey cage it wouldn't be my responsibility if they ended up shooting eachother or (heavens forbid) the poor zoo employees/visitors?

I believe your view of 'responsibility' might need a check-up.

An intelligent entity according to current human social standards CAN in fact be held accountable for his or her actions pertaining in the (unnatural) manipulation of a lesser intelligent entity to exploit it.. anyway according to greenpeace and several environmentalist laws passed by many beaurocratic entities.

Oh wait, did I just render the entirity of the marketing and advertising strategies 'free world' corporations use illegal and unethical?.. I think I did.


We live in a world full of hypocracy, and mankind is unlikely to change soon.

We have forgotten why it is we trade (to share your knowledge/skill/expertise or services with others in the hope they will share theirs with you for mutual benefit), and have come to see MONEY as the end-all goal of trading and, in fact, living.

Money is merely a tool created to make trading easier while in the end all it has done is put a wall between us and the people we are trading with.
Money has resulted in people not being able to see the happiness their work brings to others, the WHOLE REASON we trade to begin with.
MONEY has completely consumed our society and is now concidered the single most important thing to have and aquire in this world.
MONEY has transformed from being the road to the destination.

Money is the root of all deception, bad advertising, poor quality products, bad QA, bad PR and it has literally removed our very reason for trading.. to see a smile on the buyers face as he looks over your finely produced product and inspects it for any flaws. Feeling angry with yourself when he does in fact find a flaw, but also feeling an incredible job satisfaction as the customer complements you on your fine work and accepts the trade.

More news at 11.


DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.
All I am trying to say is this is a complicated matter and should not be concidered as lightly as you do, if at all.

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Originally by: Slug Killer

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GG ccp, you managed to take 1k dollars / 800 or whatever euros from your customers and provide 0 content / game time for it.

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Originally by: LoneRider

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I am trying to find a reason for that transport but i cannot find any...

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Originally by: Ressiv

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Edited by: Ressiv on 10/08/2010 08:59:54

Originally by: LoneRider

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I am trying to find a reason for that transport but i cannot find any...

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Thought about this as well. I think the guy was planning on leaving EVE with a b00m. That, or a lack of braincells.

And yes, PLEX is account based, not toon based. On top, they can be applied as gametime from ANYWHERE in the universe. So there is no need to transport them at all, if they are going to be used for gametime.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.

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Originally by: Aesheera

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say CCP is innocent nor am I trying to say CCP is guilty.

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Fail response and comparisons.

First of all, the pilot was at war. You dont haul stuff in stupidly fragile things around during wars, unscouted for.
Secondly, Jita out of all places? In a frigate with a multibillion cargo?
Thats ASKING to get ganked.

Also, the player conciously chose to do this him/herself.
You could have used secure methods of transportation: cans, alts, better timeframes.
Dont blame CCP for player idiocy.

final note: keep in mind the player might have bought the plexes with ISK instead of rl money.

I sure as **** hope he did.

major lolz.

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Originally by: Misunderstood Genius

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CCP will take the chance that player "risk" ingame their RL money.
This should not happen because then it's NOT a game anymore. My opinion.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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EVE is a game in the sense that poker is a game--you're playing against other people, and you're gambling earned items that can be permanently lost.

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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EVE is a game in the sense that poker is a game--you're playing against other people, and you're gambling earned items that can be permanently lost.

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If you play poker and during the game the house says "sorry these 100 euros chips on the table are destroyed now, not valid anymore sorry". And it's just part of the game.

In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Ah, so your issue is that the PLEXes didn't drop, decreasing the overall amount of capital to be gambled in the game. That was not immediately clear in your earlier post.

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Originally by: ziapina

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from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

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Originally by: Aesheera

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So basically, he was hauling billions worth of plexes for a epic 88 something mill profit?

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Originally by: Aesheera

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Edited by: Aesheera on 10/08/2010 13:20:42

Originally by: ziapina

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from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

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Oh.
my.
god.

If you speak truth, then your inspirational leader is not only the biggest idiot for all the previously mentioned points regarding stupid choices of transportation, he also is in DIRE need of some trade learning.

So basically, he was hauling billions worth of plexes for a epic 88 something mill profit?

The failure just reached a new high.
You can make that 88m profit hauling ****ty mods around and no one could give a rats arse about you and your hauler.

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Originally by: ziapina

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Not sure how this hasnt come out yet as there are a LOT of us very unhappy about what our brave inspirational leader was doing with our Corps hard earned isk (i cant even think about how many hours of mining were lost or i'll cry) but basically people thinking that rl money was lost here and cryinmg about CCp stealing it are way off.

That isk was everything we had in our corp wallet, our genius leader saw a descrepency in isk prices between another hub and Jita and was moving the plex between these hubs to make a profit, from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

Obviously he didnt manage to dock.

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Originally by: ziapina

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Not sure how this hasnt come out yet as there are a LOT of us very unhappy about what our brave inspirational leader was doing with our Corps hard earned isk (i cant even think about how many hours of mining were lost or i'll cry) but basically people thinking that rl money was lost here and cryinmg about CCp stealing it are way off.

That isk was everything we had in our corp wallet, our genius leader saw a descrepency in isk prices between another hub and Jita and was moving the plex between these hubs to make a profit, from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

Obviously he didnt manage to dock.

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Originally by: ziapina

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Not sure how this hasnt come out yet as there are a LOT of us very unhappy about what our brave inspirational leader was doing with our Corps hard earned isk (i cant even think about how many hours of mining were lost or i'll cry) but basically people thinking that rl money was lost here and cryinmg about CCp stealing it are way off.

That isk was everything we had in our corp wallet, our genius leader saw a descrepency in isk prices between another hub and Jita and was moving the plex between these hubs to make a profit, from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

Obviously he didnt manage to dock.

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Originally by: ziapina

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Not sure how this hasnt come out yet as there are a LOT of us very unhappy about what our brave inspirational leader was doing with our Corps hard earned isk (i cant even think about how many hours of mining were lost or i'll cry) but basically people thinking that rl money was lost here and cryinmg about CCp stealing it are way off.

That isk was everything we had in our corp wallet, our genius leader saw a descrepency in isk prices between another hub and Jita and was moving the plex between these hubs to make a profit, from what we can work out he would have made about 1.2 mill profit per plex if he had managed to dock and resell the plexs at current prices.

Obviously he didnt manage to dock.

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Originally by: ziapina

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stuff

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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EVE is a game in the sense that poker is a game--you're playing against other people, and you're gambling earned items that can be permanently lost.

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If you play poker and during the game the house says "sorry these 100 euros chips on the table are destroyed now, not valid anymore sorry". And it's just part of the game.

In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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Originally by: River Ace

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Fresh news just in..

Shortly after what appeared to be a major capusleer loss of 74 plex, with a street value off 22 Billion isk, from a Tech 1 Kestral Caldari Frigate alliance leaders from SpaceMonkeys issue this statement:

"Today we claim a great victory over the beastley wardeccing villans known as the Orphanage! during a routine market run to Jita we foiled attempts to cause us a serious financial crisis. Employing a decoy Kestral to lure The orphanage of guard we managed to slip though our main transport shuttle with over 300 Plex in its cargo."

A non confirmed video report shows SpaceMonkey pilots in their HQ, The Blue Oyster Club, cheer with glee as Orphange take the bait and destroy the decoy Kestral.

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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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EVE is a game in the sense that poker is a game--you're playing against other people, and you're gambling earned items that can be permanently lost.

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If you play poker and during the game the house says "sorry these 100 euros chips on the table are destroyed now, not valid anymore sorry". And it's just part of the game.

In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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I think it's called the rake.

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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Originally by: Bal'Ayle

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thank you for clearing that up, im no conspiracy theorist im just curious to find out what we base this trust on, although seeing a kill with a plex drop is very reassuring. though might i point out you offer no reference for the dice roll of 50%, nor do i believe there ever will be one available, the truth of it is its just to beneficial for CCP to have a higher destruction rate on plexes then any other item in the game. needless to say im not complaining because its opened up some rather lucrative options for me but i still get the feeling we don't know the whole truth on this one

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Originally by: Slug Killer

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PS: CCP Until you make it so that plex are indestructible and always no matter what drop, I will have no respect for your company. You sold that time, allowing it to vanish into thin air and not provide a service to your customers is a massive FU to your playerbase. Id say Id cancel all my accouts / quit etc, but I already mostly have earlier because of the lag reasons and Summer time.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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the ****??

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Originally by: Liz Laser

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Originally by: Jojo Redana

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In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.

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In Soviet Union, chips destroy you.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Cromo Effect

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Someone hacked their kill board and posted all those comments...

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Of COURSE!!!

That being said...you, my friend, are the reason this thread is still alive.

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Originally by: Induc

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I'm tired of all people who show less braincells then the guy who lost his 72 plexes. 72 plexes are nothing more special than roughly 22B isk.
It doesn't matter than they were bought for RL cash, once you redeem your 60 day time card for 2 plexes they lose their connection to RL cash, they're just two ingame items worth 300m isk each. (Some may pull out the "opportunity cost" argument here, but since plexes are so easy to sell you might almost consider them liquid isk)
You don't pay for the service of turning RL cash into isk, you pay for the service of turning RL cash into a plex.

This also means that you can't whine if you get 290m for a plex when you got 300m for the same plex a week ago, there is no guarantee that you'll actually get any isk for your money.

Also, CCP would probably earn just as much extra cash if they increased the destruction rate of something else, it doesn't have to be a plex.

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Originally by: Apple Buttom

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but there was no creation of destruction of sub-time in-game (unless you got yourself banned).

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