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Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.11 01:53:00 - [31] Actually, its not a bad idea. It would also act as an isk sink. The QQ'ers are satisfied, pvpers still get to ruin somebody's day by killing off millions of isk worth of plex.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.11 02:03:00 - [32] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 11/08/2010 02:04:39 Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 10/08/2010 22:50:04 Quote: Come on CCP, the money you make from destroyed PLEXs isn't that much, it's not worth alienating the playerbase. This way everybody gets what they want. 1) If the money destroyed from PLEX isn't that much, then why do you care? 2) It's not alienating the playerbase, it's alienating the vocal few on the forums. 3) This change doesn't make ME happy, so it's not everyone. edit: I am totally serious on #3 too, this would suck. How would this negatively affect you? I really thought this through and thought it was an elegant solution. Quite elegant, you're a genius. But it just doesn't make me happy! No really, I don't like it. you're giving PLEX special status again, instead of the just an everyday normal item. To be honest I would prefer the 100% droprate to this. 1) CCP doesnt like special status items. 2) CCP isnt going to just donate plexes to the highest bidder. That is >$1200 that someone just sent to the boneyard. AS far as CCP is concerned thats a mandatory tip. Basically free money. Its a new game feature called " Real Life Money Sink"
Simply Humus	Posted - 2010.08.11 03:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Aerilis This thread isn't about that, please see the other threadnought :) Yes, it is. Otherwise he wouldn't be suggesting a way to fix something that's not broken.
Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.08.11 03:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Dansel Imo, setting the droprate of PLEX to 100% seems better to me. Thats the bleedingly obvious solution. Ill second that. Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom Phoenix Virtue	Posted - 2010.08.11 07:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Aerilis Edited by: Aerilis on 10/08/2010 22:53:07 Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 10/08/2010 22:50:04 Quote: Come on CCP, the money you make from destroyed PLEXs isn't that much, it's not worth alienating the playerbase. This way everybody gets what they want. 1) If the money destroyed from PLEX isn't that much, then why do you care? 2) It's not alienating the playerbase, it's alienating the vocal few on the forums. 3) This change doesn't make ME happy, so it's not everyone. edit: I am totally serious on #3 too, this would suck. 1. Because I do not agree with the ethics of it (my opinion, you are entitled to yours) 2. From what I've seen, your side has been just as vocal as mine, if not more so. 3. How would this negatively affect you? I really thought this through and thought it was an elegant solution. solution not needed, no problems here.
Frozean	Posted - 2010.08.11 07:54:00 - [36] Howbout fix the pilot's IQ as to not fly plexes in jita? I think thats a better fix.
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2010.08.11 07:58:00 - [37] Stupidiestest idea ever.
Zangorus	Posted - 2010.08.11 08:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Dansel Imo, setting the droprate of PLEX to 100% seems better to me. Indeed imagine looting 74 plexes :o
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.08.11 08:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Isten Baba Can we please get back to the important issue, namely CCP's lack of focus/commitment to EVE basics, and their ridiculous strategy regarding vampires and consoles? Just let them have that extra bit of cash, as long as they spend it on EVE. Yeah this. For God's sake there is NO mandatory risk to PLEXes. Anyone who is the teeniest bit uneasy with the destructability of PLEXes can simply decline to excercise the option to put them at any risk in the first place. You're in Paragon Soul and you have a PLEX stuck in a station in Branch? Absolutely no problem; bring up assets list, find the PLEX, right-click -> apply to account. CCP have not, so far as I know, changed that. The only people at risk of losing anything are speculators buying in PLEX one region in order to sell at another. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
PotNoodle Miner Viziam	Posted - 2010.08.11 08:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Roosterton Quote: alienating the playerbase. "Alienating the playerbase?" Why do I care if some moron undocks in an untanked Kestrel with 74 and gets popped? This. lol @ that guy that lost 74 plex SUCKS TO BE HIM.

Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.11 09:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Xelie Originally by: Aerilis it's not worth alienating the playerbase. I think most of the playerbase just finds it funny actually. Right. Idiots must learn the hard way. Working as intended. I'm glad we start another thread about this, now the original one has 25+ pages.
clixoras	Posted - 2010.08.11 09:54:00 - [42] Risk vs award. The 74 Plex guys probably saw an opportunity somewhere, if he would've succeeded he would made some decent profit. btw. Perhaps it was a SHE?? [insert random women driving joke here]
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.08.11 11:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Felix Esperium Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Felix Esperium So when my domi gets blown up by WTs on the Jita undock will the person with the highest buy order get one of those as well? A Domi can be mined from asteroids and built entirely in game. A PLEX cannot. Simple as chips. How would this negatively affect you? Minerals need to be destroyed to keep the Eve economy flowing.
Khorian Gallente Versatech Co. Blade.	Posted - 2010.08.11 11:26:00 - [44] Poeple need to stop to translate plex to real monetary value. Plex have no real monetary value! They are ingame items worth ingame money. The guy with the 74 plex might just have bought them for in game money and not converted them himself. So what did he lose? Nothing! Just some valueless science fiction money. PLEX have no real world monetary value! Is that so hard to understand?
Harry Farina	Posted - 2010.08.11 11:37:00 - [45] CCP is good at herding sheep I'll give them that. I can't believe they were able to get so many people to agree with their decision to make plex destroyable. I don't agree with making plex lootable but I can live with it. What I absolutely can't stand is CCP making money from an item being destroyed. It just took one little phrase to make so many people agree with their greedy ways "We don't like having special items in game" What's next, we have a chance of our credit card being billed for $15 everytime our ship is destroyed? It wouldn't be any different than what happens with plex.
Harry Farina	Posted - 2010.08.11 11:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Khorian Poeple need to stop to translate plex to real monetary value. Plex have no real monetary value! They are ingame items worth ingame money. The guy with the 74 plex might just have bought them for in game money and not converted them himself. So what did he lose? Nothing! Just some valueless science fiction money. PLEX have no real world monetary value! Is that so hard to understand? They cost real world money to acquire is that so hard to understand?
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.11 11:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Harry Farina Originally by: Khorian Poeple need to stop to translate plex to real monetary value. Plex have no real monetary value! They are ingame items worth ingame money. The guy with the 74 plex might just have bought them for in game money and not converted them himself. So what did he lose? Nothing! Just some valueless science fiction money. PLEX have no real world monetary value! Is that so hard to understand? They cost real world money to acquire is that so hard to understand? As does the subscription for my account. If I don't play it for a month even though I have paid for it I have effectively destroyed a plex. Are you ok with that? Does it not bother you that CCP doesn't freeze the account every time you log off so you don't have to lose real life money on it?
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.11 12:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Harry Farina CCP is good at herding sheep .... It may be your opinion that we are sheep, just because we have a different opinion on the matter. I think you are wrong, your arguments are flawed and you are arrogant for raising your opinion over others. Nobody forces anybody to undock with 1 plex - let alone 70+. People are stupid and make stupid mistakes. I can live with that, as it resembles real life. It's what I like about eve. To give you answer to your arguments: What if I buy a GTC, turn it into plex, turn the isk into a faction ship and lose that because on my first day of owning it, I undock with a PVE fit during a wardec? It is nothing else than destroying RL money due to stupidity. Just that kestrel pilot chose the easier way.
Asmoday Halcyon Nihlus Industries	Posted - 2010.08.11 12:31:00 - [49] Maybe I don't have that great of an understanding of the mechanics, but couldn't this be somewhat advantages to the gankers? Suppose a ganker sets up the highest buy order in the system, which is still lower than the lowest sell order, he/she/it then waits for a nice easy target to gank, therefore getting a bunch of plexes for reduced cost? I may just not understand correctly, but sounds like the right gankers would have a field day with this implemented, which it shouldn't be anyway cause its a silly idea.
Steintz Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.11 12:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Pipe*** Jackxon* yeah or you could just not undock with 74 plex in a kestrel no no .. Please do ..

Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.08.11 12:51:00 - [51] I like it the way it is thanks to all the EMO threads it generated. This means the OP is incorrect to say it is a fix that everyone will like. Btw, no one shot at me when I was flying around with 3 PLEX in my hold.
Zofe Stormcaller Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.08.11 12:58:00 - [52] I for one support CCP's decision to make the plex a destructible item. Is the drop rate actually 0% or is it higher and the kessie just happened not to drop any? I would prefer it if it was higher than 0% just because of the in game tears it would cause to successfully loot one from someone and taunt them afterwards...
Hainnz Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.08.11 14:42:00 - [53] PLEX are special items no matter what anyone says and everyone knows it. Allowing them to be destroyed is bad karma for CCP.
Elva Taru	Posted - 2010.08.11 14:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Aerilis It's simple. Whenever a PLEX is destroyed, the highest buy orders for PLEXs in that system get filled. Let's say, hypothetically, 74 PLEXs get destroyed in Jita in a kestrel. What happens then is the 74 highest buy orders for PLEXs in that system get magically filled, and the PLEX delivered to those players' hangars. It would be the exact same as if the previous owner of the PLEX had simply sold them, except of course he won't get any ISK. This way gametime is not removed through destroyed PLEX, nor are game mechanics bent in any way to accommodate PLEX. It also produces another ISK sink, which will benefit the Eve economy (the same way big wars that destroy lots of ships benefit the economy). It also won't have any extreme affects on the market, as there are already many people who sell PLEX straight to buy orders (they can't wait for their ISK). When I need my monthly PLEX, I usually just put up a buy order and wait a couple hours. Come on CCP, the money you make from destroyed PLEXs isn't that much, it's not worth alienating the playerbase. This way everybody gets what they want. Haha seriously all you *gots that moan and ***? It's simple dont play the game? Its not going to change for you? Gtfo
Sazuka Kirr Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 11/08/2010 15:01:05 Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 11/08/2010 15:00:19 Originally by: Aerilis 3. How would this negatively affect you? I really thought this through and thought it was an elegant solution. A PLEX has to be paid for with real life cash. That real life cash then goes into CCP's pockets (after you deduct taxes and stuff). The PLEX then enters the game and, ultimately, gets redeemed for game time. That person then gets access to the server and the website for a month, which cost CCP money to run and maintain. If, however, a PLEX is destroyed, CCP have received the money to fund one account for one month, but no account can be subbed because the PLEX wasn't redeemed before it went pop. This means that anyone who planned on buying / using that PLEX now needs to buy another one. End result: CCP get paid twice. Ultimately, the more PLEX that are destroyed, the better EVE should get, because CCP will have more money to spend on improving the game and less money to spend on maintaining the servers because 30 days of game time has been paid for but never redeemed. It's in EVERYONES best interest to blow up as many PLEX as possible, because this will, in turn, lead to a better quality game as CCP have more money to develop the game with. Of course, if it is your PLEX that is destroyed, you're f**ked, but such is life.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:14:00 - [56] you die with plex ccp makes money why the (U&$#@ would they want to change that? Originally by:* Aerilis Come on CCP, the money you make from destroyed PLEXs isn't that much, it's not worth alienating the playerbase. This way everybody gets what they want. What part of you honestly thinks CCP wouldn't put making a $$ over 'alienating the playerbase' Have you been paying attention the last few months? --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
EyeCeeYou	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:11:00 - [57] Destructible plex actually protects the idiot who chose to haul plex by giving him/her something to bargain with. "Let me go with 34 of them, and I'll give you 40 of these PLEX." The attacker may be tempted to take the 40 in hand then risk having them all destroyed. Win-Win. If PLEX were indestructible, there'd be no incentive to bargain.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:24:00 - [58] CCP has enougth to fix without fixing things that arnt broke please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:50:00 - [59] Well Ill give you credit Aerilis this isnt as dumb as some of the stuff youve posted on these forums. Its just unnecesary, impractical and **** easy to abuse. CCP want to introduce a new way for idiots to shoot themselves in the foot then good for them and if they can make some money in the process thats fine too, its not like profiting from the actions of the stupid isnt a feature in EVE anyway. More money for CCP means they can develop new games, hire more staff or do any of the other wonderful things cashflow lets a business do, so get off your damn high horse. Your personal feelings about ethics are just that, yours, not mine, not any other players and certainly not CCPs. Youre perfectly free to say you disagree, which you have at length, but thats about it. You certainly cant claim any sort of general sanction from the playerbase either because I sure as hell dont agree with you and looking through this thread theres plenty of others who dont either. The simple fact is that this change is not needed. It will generate needless additional server load at a time when we can least afford it and give PLEX even more of a 'special item' status than they had before, not to mention the potential for abuse. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Dasubervixen Amarr	Posted - 2010.08.11 18:02:00 - [60] There is nothing broken so nothing needs to be fixed.



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