Lol, yeah sure that is what I was referring to. Frankly I am less bothered by people whining over being ganked. I can't really blame them for complaining when they are being hunted by angry 12yr olds with desperetly small e-peens. I can however laugh hysterically at the whining of said 12yr olds when the miners are given proper tools to defend themselves. Power to the rock shooters!

Which is sad. I've never understood people who get enjoyment out of ruining other people's day. It seems like a sign of latent sociopathy to me.

I agree. The "its just a game" argument doesn't fly with me. There is another person on the other side of the keyboard. That person is deserving of respect and to be left alone shooting rocks if that is their wish.

Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.

Ahh yea the old, they are acting like 12 year olds because they are doing something I don't like argument. You also managed to include small e-peens.

I would say well done, but you forgot to include morality and stuff about their mental health.

Not bad though.

Edit: You redeemed yourself with that other post. Congrats on the following.


Well played sir, well played.

Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?

Do you feel like he is writing about you? As if the kind of behavior the OP "doesn't like" is the kind of thing you enjoy?

You don't think that there can be such a thing as 'bullying' in a 'space video game'?

Or that the personality traits that find expression in bullying behavior cannot find expression in a 'space video game'?

Nice retort. Should I now feel chastened?

I do like how you all complain, about people playing the way it was designed though. Rather like throwing a fit, when someone takes your rook in chess.

Please continue, it's most enlightening.

Do you prefer pvp where when you win and blow up the opponents ship they respond with 'gf' or do you prefer blowing up peoples ships to extract tears? Which is more enjoyable?

We can get plenty of "gf" pvp from whatever flavor-of-the-day FPS games are out right now. We play EVE because of its more realistic nature in terms of player interaction. Playing EVE for fair fights defeats the purpose of playing EVE; there are plenty of games (read: all of them) that do team death match better than EVE does.

I'll put it to you this way: tears are purely the fault of the players who consider themselves victims. If miners didn't cry when we ganked their barges, we'd gank them anyway. "Tears" is basically a bonus we get every once in a while, but definitely not the draw itself.

@ Zaraz Zaraz: Plus I don't really care what you are flying, how you lose it or don't lose it, as long as I make ISK. If we blew everything up, we'd be doing it wrong.

Even as a pacifistic miner, I CAN respect that... I mean, we are all capitalists in one way or the other, or we wouldn't play this game.

BUT, suicide ganking helpless ships just for the hack of it, out of boredome or because of some questionable urge to proof something, is infantile behaviour par excellance... other players are not there to satisfy the qustionable urges of a select few cellar-kids...

It's really not EVE that's dying; it's gaming.

No, it's literally dying. Just go look up how gaming companies are doing. They're folding/merging at such an alarming rate, it's scary. Even AAA companies are hurting. In a few years, the majority of games are likely to be based on the F2P model funded through MT, because there is so much competition and so few original idea out there.

I disagree. In fact, I think they will survive because they're the most ruthless and calculating of them all (as is evident by the way they treat their line employees, for example).

But yeah, back on topic, I stick with my EVE = unique game perspective. Why can't we have just one game on the market where sociopaths can be sociopaths, victims can be victims, and the grand majority of people can interact with each other in a simulated, albeit extensively limited, anarchy?

I'll go out on a limb here and try to answer your question. You and your likeminded peers can't have that because there are more people that want to be able to play another less conflict-focused way. It's that simple.

CCP isn't here to make you feel happy. They are here to make money like all the other gaming companies in the world. Their vision (so far) is free pvp always all over, but if they can make 10x the subscribers by making this into WOW in space, and if their shareholders/board discover this through market research or whatever, they will change the game..

Why can't we have just one game in the world where we can murder other players without having to wait for them to toggle a flag, or wait for a new TDM round to start?

Because a game like this is already concidered a niche product by todays standards... and there are almost no companies left standing that can cater to a niche audience and prosper... as in, make their publishers/investors happy.

I was gonna answer, but this answers it beautifully. You/we can't have our one game as eve used to be because of this. Ccp wants to do what ou say (hello dust, hello WOD online), but if it is faster to wowify eve... Well hello wow in space. Fact is,those carebears and whiners that the hardcore elite are always harassing, they are they majority. And they are fickle, which unfortunately means they are faster at voting with their wallet than the lojal old school pvpers are. Reality sucks, but that doesn't make it more real.

nicheGÇé GÇé[nich] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb, niched, nich-+ing.
noun
1. an ornamental recess in a wall or the like, usually semicircular in plan and arched, as for a statue or other decorative object.
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3. a distinct segment of a market.
4. Ecology . the position or function of an organism in a community of plants and animals.

Clearly, PvP always on is not a niche market just because WoW does not have have it.

What Eve has that others do not is that it is;

1. A space MMO
2. With PvP always on
3. With "real" loss from PvP

Its not that there's a "niche market" for that, its that the space MMO genre is undersaturated, and the fantasy market is oversaturated.

ANY publisher would have a hard time selling any game in any genre that is inherently self destructive.

EDIT: Oh and btw, what drove ME to EVE in the first place was the industrial aspect of the game. THe players make everything, and its totally disconnected from the combat part skill-wise, i.e. you dont have to have missiles lvl X or clear out 3 deadspace complexes to be better at mining or building. (I Quit WOW fast when i figured out I had to do multiple dungeons and be level X to progress at freaking BLACKSMITHING... that made about as much sense as having to kill pigs to become a better singer..)

Same here... except the WoW part, because that game bored me years ago... but PvP, or combat as a whole for that matter, never really intrested me about EVE... even though I like to tune ships, but thats just my technophilia talking.^^

I can see people who have an Orca/Hulk combo sticking with the Hulk, but the solo miners out there will switch to the Mack eventually.

Doing the math, you can easily find that sitting in a belt filling up the 35k m3 ore bay in a Mack with 3x MLU IIs will net a higher yield than a "One Cycle Fills-Ma-Ore-Bay" Hulk that has to dock and dump ore EVERY 3 minutes.

Always mine with an orca, it is just more awesome

No doubt, but one of the main reasons why so many solo miners use the Hulk is because it has the biggest cargo hold out of all barges/exhumers, the other reason being highest yield.

For a person who mines and dumps ore after their cargo gets full, the Mackinaw will be a godsend. Cargo rigs and cargo expanders, which reduce Armor and Hull HP will no longer be needed since they don't affect the ore bay.

Give it about a month and I bet you 1 isk that you will see Mackinaws everywhere.

Well, since you haven't been around for long enough to see any crying-miner threads, I can only assume that you've been here for all of 5 minutes and haven't even scanned the front page.