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nat longshot solo and loveing it 40	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:05:00 - [31] - Quote Jim Era wrote: Lucy Ferrr wrote: OP is going to be first exhumer I gank when these changes hit TQ. Maybe I will get a few buddies and do it in destroyers for extra lol's. I would gladly join you. srs oh i'am making friends how nice.
Garreth Vlox Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 17	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:05:00 - [32] - Quote nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy. Gankers aren't killing your hulk to get rich genius, they are killing your hulk cause its fun and you cry when they do, now its just a little more expensive to make you cry.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 854	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:06:00 - [33] - Quote I think many a miner does not bother tanking a Hulk because they think it will still be a piece of tissue paper, blown through by a ganker gang. Whats the point if its going to die anyway? Just go for yield while it lives, get it to pay for itself before the gankers come. Now, with the improved stats, adding a tank gets you into a new class. The Skiff can tank 80k to 100k EHP and still get 80% of the yield of a Hulk, and it has a huge ore bay. No way to fit a Rokh to match it in yield, tank and cargo. The existence of the ore bay should encourage every miner to rip out their Cargohold Optimizers and rig Core defense field extenders. It will make many a miner sit up and think "Oh, now it does make sense to tank". Will gankers still gank? Sure. But it will take more of them. As a result a given number of gankers will get fewer kills per month. Also any one ganker will have a lower chance of being the one who fires the kill shot and any loot drop will be divided among more players. Those are dis-incentives that will further reduce ganking. The result IMHO will be ganking will end as an idle pass-time but continue as a targeted means to an end, where the difficulties and cost are mitigated by the achieving of a bigger goal. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
nat longshot solo and loveing it 40	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:07:00 - [34] - Quote Garreth Vlox wrote: nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy. Gankers aren't killing your hulk to get rich genius, they are killing your hulk cause its fun and you cry when they do, now its just a little more expensive to make you cry. well given i have not flown a mining ship in years i never been ganked in one. but on the other hand i know how to keep from getting gank genius.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 548	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:11:00 - [35] - Quote Garreth Vlox wrote: nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: nat longshot wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy. Gankers aren't killing your hulk to get rich genius, they are killing your hulk cause its fun and you cry when they do, now its just a little more expensive to make you cry. "WTB Skiff" /AFK brb
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 185	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:11:00 - [36] - Quote An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. This is one item I hope the devs look at. Maybe my understanding of the ice rig is wrong, but I just don't see giving up a tank rig on a baot intended to have some tankage...
Shameless Avenger 321	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:13:00 - [37] - Quote So... will the new barges be viable level 4 mission boats? "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 9	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:14:00 - [38] - Quote I'm just talkin ** because I'm bored (stuck at work) and that seems to be the only thing that gets a response on these boards lulz edit: for **** spelling
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 548	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:14:00 - [39] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: So... will the new barges be viable level 4 mission boats? You need all drone skills including fighter bombers up to 5, then, YES WE CAN ! brb
nat longshot solo and loveing it 41	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:16:00 - [40] - Quote Jim Era wrote: I'm just talkin ** because I'm bored (stuck at work) and that seems to be the only thing that gets a response on these boards lulz edit: for **** spelling its all good
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8750	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:17:00 - [41] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. Its intended role is to be a decent solo boat with a great stonking ore bay. Fitting an ice rig doesn't affect this role. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 287	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:23:00 - [42] - Quote nat longshot wrote: so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it. depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 548	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:25:00 - [43] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: nat longshot wrote: so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it. depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks. As it stands and if the stats are the good ones there's no reason to use a Hulk if you're not in some mining fleet. For solo work better pick something else. brb
nat longshot solo and loveing it 41	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:26:00 - [44] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Barbara Nichole wrote: nat longshot wrote: so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it. depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks. As it stands and if the stats are the good ones there's no reason to use a Hulk if you're not in some mining fleet. For solo work better pick something else. ya mack or skif for the EHP
Denidil Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 313	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:27:00 - [45] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. This is one item I hope the devs look at. Maybe my understanding of the ice rig is wrong, but I just don't see giving up a tank rig on a baot intended to have some tankage... 45k ehp not enough for you? I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do.
Evei Shard Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:35:00 - [46] - Quote Droxlyn wrote: Evei Shard wrote: One thing the changes will do is make ships like the Procurer and maybe the Retriever viable to use in low-sec. With the mining yield increase and the ore hold size, a Procurer could scoot around low belts mining Jaspet, and not have to worry as much about cruiser/bs size rats popping them before they can warp out. Hedbergite is the best lowsec ore. It is 8th in value of all normal ores, after 5 high-sec ores. Sort this by ISK: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore This is true, however a lot of high-sec bordering systems that I've been too are generally in the 0.4 - 0.3 sec status, which only have Jaspet. I'm guessing that most high-sec miners aren't going to venture more than 1 jump into low. Those that go further will reap the rewards, but taking 2 or 3 jumps (or more) into low to get to Hemorphite & Hedbergite becomes a bit of a logistics problem, once again devaluing the "reward" for the "risk" of getting to the site. With current market prices, it's more profitable to mine in highsec in order to buy the zydrine you would get by mining jaspet or other lowsec ores. That issue, in itself, may be the downfall of my previous statement. I'd like to see the reward of lowsec mining increased quite a bit, and the reward of high-sec mining decreased. Perhaps by moving Nocxium from Pyroxeres to Jaspet only (bump up the yield in Jaspet). Again, just speculation and opinion. Nothing I can do will change CCP's course. Profit favors the prepared
Shameless Avenger 321	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:36:00 - [47] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: So... will the new barges be viable level 4 mission boats? You need all drone skills including fighter bombers up to 5, then, YES WE CAN ! That's gonna be hilarious... the ratting barges... can't wait to see the videos. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja
Mallak Azaria 382	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:40:00 - [48] - Quote nat longshot wrote: ok i like the new stats hell i restarting my mining skills now. so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it. so let mining gankers cry there sry eyes out and let me laugh at them. oh wait they will have to find real targets now. This is going under the assumption that miners will choose to fit a good tank over maximum yield. Hulks are real targets & will still die regardless of this change.
MinefieldS 1 Sick Duck Standss on something 73	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:54:00 - [49] - Quote Can't gank them? Then bump them and demand payment like the Superior Protector of Halaima does.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 855	Posted - 2012.07.25 23:04:00 - [50] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. This is one item I hope the devs look at. Maybe my understanding of the ice rig is wrong, but I just don't see giving up a tank rig on a baot intended to have some tankage... The Mack's role is not longer ice mining. Its solo mining in relatively safe areas. The ice rig can be added to the Skiff, and it will still have a tank in the 100K EHP range. Also the Skiff now goes 250 m/sec. Fit an AB or MWD and you can recover from being bumped before the cycle ends. Hulk: Fleet ops in relatively safe areas. Mack: Solo mining in relatively safe areas. Skiff: Mining solo or in a fleet where you want a strong tank. Ice mining: Fit the ice rig to whatever ship fits your mining operation. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 39	Posted - 2012.07.25 23:12:00 - [51] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: The crying miner is a bigger myth than Bigfoot, and you know it. I agree entirely. Miners are stalwart heroes. If only were such fine specimens of [url=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1491312]humanity.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 39	Posted - 2012.07.25 23:15:00 - [52] - Quote Doublepost
nat longshot solo and loveing it 42	Posted - 2012.07.26 01:23:00 - [53] - Quote MinefieldS wrote: Can't gank them? Then bump them and demand payment like the Superior Protector of Halaima does. ya ya ive seen you sry butts around Gulf i laugh at your scam every day
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1217	Posted - 2012.07.26 02:00:00 - [54] - Quote Aruken Marr wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Tippia wrote: Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice. I never ever see "miners" complain here. All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners. Funny how that works. You must have some very very very selective reading... Selective is just a euphemism for discriminatory. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8752	Posted - 2012.07.26 02:08:00 - [55] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: First time? Don't make me laugh. Well, since you haven't been around for long enough to see any crying-miner threads, I can only assume that you've been here for all of 5 minutes and haven't even scanned the front page. Quote: The crying miner is a bigger myth than Bigfoot, and you know it. How can I know something that is false? The crying miner is a staple of EVE since long before I got here, and it will be a staple long after I'm gone. It's just what they do. They're getting a nice buff and guess what they immediately started doing? Crying. About how they could no longer AFK in their Hulks. About how they could no longer carry enough crystals to suck up an entire region. About how they could still be ganked. None of which was new, and none of which was even remotely relevant if they thought about it for a second. Oh, but then, that's the other thing they do besides crying: don't think. I suppose they mine too, but looking at the crying-miner threads, it seems to be in, at best, a distant fourth or fifth place (behind not actually playing and, commonly, not knowing basic mechanics). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2012.07.26 02:32:00 - [56] - Quote Tippia wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: First time? Don't make me laugh. Well, since you haven't been around for long enough to see any crying-miner threads, I can only assume that you've been here for all of 5 minutes and haven't even scanned the front page Funny, just browsing the first 3 pages of threads and I can't seem to find any of these Miner tears threads. They seem to have been replaced by a massive wall of ganker tear threads. It's one thing to be wrong, but it's something entirely different to blatantly lie. Still not sure where you fall.
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1034	Posted - 2012.07.26 03:55:00 - [57] - Quote nat longshot wrote: MotherMoon wrote: as long as low sec is changed to put out 3 times more yeild and materials that can't be found in highsec easily, it'll work out. low sec yes might have better ore but low has what 1/10 the people that mine vs high sec.. like i said let the crying start and i see it has. um... I was it more as a suggestion. as in mining in low sec isn't 3 times more profitable. If it was it would give an edge to people over bots http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Annie Freemont Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:02:00 - [58] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Tippia wrote: Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice. I never ever see "miners" complain here. All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners. Funny how that works. QFT!!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8753	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:20:00 - [59] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: Funny, just browsing the first 3 pages of threads and I can't seem to find any of these Miner tears threads. You didn't-álook very hard. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
pussnheels 476	Posted - 2012.07.26 04:30:00 - [60] - Quote nothing been done to the max yiekd and that is good news they not gank proof and it will take team effort now to gank the mack or skiff, there wtill will be plenty of people going for untanked hulks tho I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

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