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![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:17:00 -
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ok i like the new stats hell i restarting my mining skills now.
so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it.
so let mining gankers cry there sry eyes out and let me laugh at them. oh wait they will have to find real targets now.
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![FloppieTheBanjoClown FloppieTheBanjoClown](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1395805136/portrait?size=64)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2034
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:19:00 -
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Meh...so long as there's a balance between tank, yield, and hauling, I'm happy with it. I wanna see stats so I don't have to install the SiSi client.
A rokh shouldn't be the best option for mining with a tank. I'm looking forward to the emergent gameplay these changes trigger. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
![Aruken Marr Aruken Marr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1352542234/portrait?size=64)
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
223
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:19:00 -
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Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... |
![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:22:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players...
btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp
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![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8749
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:25:00 -
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Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice.
![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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![MotherMoon MotherMoon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/202990180/portrait?size=64)
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1032
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:27:00 -
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as long as low sec is changed to put out 3 times more yeild and materials that can't be found in highsec easily, it'll work out. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
![Roll Sizzle Beef Roll Sizzle Beef](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91551416/portrait?size=64)
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
698
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:28:00 -
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Skiff ore cargo 17500 cargo 350 hull 6000 armor 5500 shield 6500
Barge bonus 5% bonus to shield 7.5% to all shield resistance
Exumer bonus 1% strip yield 1% Ice duration reduction
Roll bonus 200% strip yield 66.66% Ice duration reduction
Mackinaw ore cargo 25000 cargo 350 hull 4000 armor 3700 shield 4300
Barge bonus 10% bonus to ore hold capacity 7.5% to all shield resistance
Exumer bonus 1% strip yield 1% Ice duration reduction
Roll bonus 50% strip yield 33.33% Ice duration reduction
Hulk ore cargo 7500 cargo 500 hull 2500 armor 2300 shield 2700
Barge bonus 3% bonus to strip yield 7.5% to all shield resistance
Exumer bonus 3% strip yield 4% Ice duration reduction
Roll bonus none |
![Xercodo Xercodo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1082257497/portrait?size=64)
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
1259
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:29:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp
A hulk can still mine more though.
What was the ehp of:
max yeild hulk pre changes - tank hulk pre changes - max yeild hulk post changes - tank hulk post changes - The Drake is a Lie |
![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:29:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:as long as low sec is changed to put out 3 times more yeild and materials that can't be found in highsec easily, it'll work out.
low sec yes might have better ore but low has what 1/10 the people that mine vs high sec..
like i said let the crying start and i see it has.
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![Aruken Marr Aruken Marr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1352542234/portrait?size=64)
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
223
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:29:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp
If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players |
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![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:30:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp A hulk can still mine more though. What was the ehp of: max yeild hulk pre changes - tank hulk pre changes - max yeild hulk post changes - tank hulk post changes -
i did my own testing with my skill witch my must say are poor for a hulk pilot. you want stats get off you butt get sisi and find out.
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![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:32:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players
Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy. |
![Tor Gungnir Tor Gungnir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91811411/portrait?size=64)
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png)
Funny.
I never ever see "miners" complain here.
All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners.
Funny how that works.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
![Aruken Marr Aruken Marr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1352542234/portrait?size=64)
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
223
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:35:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy.
If their aim is to inflict damage cost really isn't an issue to some people. You should learn that lesson. |
![Aruken Marr Aruken Marr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1352542234/portrait?size=64)
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
223
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:36:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) I never ever see "miners" complain here. All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners. Funny how that works.
You must have some very very very selective reading... |
![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8749
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:39:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:I never ever see "miners" complain here. Since this is your first time on the forum, let me start by saying: welcome!
Anyway, stick around, and you will see plenty of them, all over the place. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:39:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Are you assuming miners will be tanking their Hulks? I have something to tell you about the majority of EVE players... btw max output easy done with a mack with 35k ehp or a hulk with 27k ehp If you think that's gonna stop the dedicated, I have something else to tell you about EVE players Dedicated lol when your cost to kill one will be half cost of a hulk or more if you go after a mack now. Dedicated lol more like fool hardy. If their aim is to inflict damage cost really isn't an issue to some people. You should learn that lesson.
dmg cost ok lets look at that say you use 3 tornados and fittings that what on the low end 65-70 fitted each that 195-210 mil for 3 torandos for a 300 mil kill. Add in goons kicking 100mil for 10 killed yes you have killed more isk but have taken a very heavy toll to do it.
plus it just shows the only that you can really take on is a ship that even with combat drones really cant fight back and you suck so bad it the only target you can take on.
its not for damage cost are what wars are about ganking mining ships is for those with notthing better to do then play f over the guy next to you. I |
![Tor Gungnir Tor Gungnir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91811411/portrait?size=64)
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
329
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:I never ever see "miners" complain here. Since this is your first time on the forum, let me start by saying: welcome! Anyway, stick around, and you will see plenty of them, all over the place.
First time? Don't make me laugh.
The crying miner is a bigger myth than Bigfoot, and you know it. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
![Aruken Marr Aruken Marr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1352542234/portrait?size=64)
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
223
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:43:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:
If their aim is to inflict damage cost really isn't an issue to some people. You should learn that lesson.
dmg cost ok lets look at that say you use 3 tornados and fittings that what on the low end 65-70 fitted each that 195-210 mil for 3 torandos for a 300 mil kill. Add in goons kicking 100mil for 10 killed yes you have killed more isk but have taken a very heavy toll to do it.
Like I said, cost is irrelevant to some people. |
![Lin-Young Borovskova Lin-Young Borovskova](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90850267/portrait?size=64)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
548
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:45:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:dmg cost ok lets look at that say you use 3 tornados and fittings that what on the low end 65-70 fitted each that 195-210 mil for 3 torandos for a 300 mil kill. Add in goons kicking 100mil for 10 killed yes you have killed more isk but have taken a very heavy toll to do it.
plus it just shows the only that you can really take on is a ship that even with combat drones really cant fight back and you suck so bad it the only target you can take on.
its not for damage cost are what wars are about ganking mining ships is for those with notthing better to do then play f over the guy next to you. I
If it leads to more ships destroyed then it's good for the game.
Nice buff for everyone, gratz CCP brb |
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![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
39
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:50:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:nat longshot wrote:dmg cost ok lets look at that say you use 3 tornados and fittings that what on the low end 65-70 fitted each that 195-210 mil for 3 torandos for a 300 mil kill. Add in goons kicking 100mil for 10 killed yes you have killed more isk but have taken a very heavy toll to do it.
plus it just shows the only that you can really take on is a ship that even with combat drones really cant fight back and you suck so bad it the only target you can take on.
its not for damage cost are what wars are about ganking mining ships is for those with notthing better to do then play f over the guy next to you. I If it leads to more ships destroyed then it's good for the game. Nice buff for everyone, gratz CCP
your right Lin. this should help the market alot in ship building and mods given there will be alot more failed ganks after the patch.
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![Evei Shard Evei Shard](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91065251/portrait?size=64)
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:53:00 -
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Gankers aren't going to cry much about not being able to gank new ships.
Their angle on this is the new threads about how CCP is supposedly making botting easier.
Stealth ganker tears.
However that is only for those that are too weak to adapt. Many *will* adapt, purely to spite the new changes.
One thing the changes *will* do is make ships like the Procurer and *maybe* the Retriever viable to use in low-sec. With the mining yield increase and the ore hold size, a Procurer could scoot around low belts mining Jaspet, and not have to worry as much about cruiser/bs size rats popping them before they can warp out. Plus, if the miner will sacrifice :gasp!: yield, maybe(?) they could fit a warp stab too and have a chance to get away should they not be paying attention to local, and d-scan. Just speculation on my part. I've not studied the full details on the increase in defense, but if I read it right, low-sec mining might become attractive.
Profit favors the prepared |
![Denidil Denidil](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1341558537/portrait?size=64)
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
313
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:53:00 -
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[Hulk, 2xMLU buffer] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Supplemental EM Ward Amplifier Small Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
(note: needs CPU implant)
pre-inferno 1.2: 17.8k post-infero 1.2: 28.6k I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
![Richard Desturned Richard Desturned](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90758065/portrait?size=64)
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1430
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:54:00 -
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it's fine we got several years of mileage out of the "undertanked" barges o7o7o7o7o7 a rogue goon |
![Lucy Ferrr Lucy Ferrr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91090567/portrait?size=64)
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:55:00 -
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OP is going to be first exhumer I gank when these changes hit TQ. Maybe I will get a few buddies and do it in destroyers for extra lol's. |
![Korvus Falek Korvus Falek](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90495744/portrait?size=64)
Korvus Falek
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
12
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:58:00 -
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I think its funny this guy thinks this will stop gankers. IMO, the perma-geddon the Goons are financing at 100misk per 10 kills will go up to 200 or 300misk per 10 killed. They have the money to do it and I see no reason why they wouldnt if they wanted to keep the miner tears flowing. |
![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
40
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:58:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:OP is going to be first exhumer I gank when these changes hit TQ. Maybe I will get a few buddies and do it in destroyers for extra lol's.
sweet i look forword to the fail of it and if "thats a big if " you do gank me its all good i claim my kill rights. ![Pirate](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) |
![nat longshot nat longshot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858215125/portrait?size=64)
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
40
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:59:00 -
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Korvus Falek wrote:I think its funny this guy thinks this will stop gankers. IMO, the perma-geddon the Goons are financing at 100misk per 10 kills will go up to 200 or 300misk per 10 killed. They have the money to do it and I see no reason why they wouldnt if they wanted to keep the miner tears flowing.
Did i say it would stop all gankiing........"rechecks posting".........no i did not but make it that much harder.
Well given the new patch will hurt goons a bit in there moon min after sometime goon might have to rethink that offer. Goon biggest passive in come is there tect moon they like to point that out. |
![Droxlyn Droxlyn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1093054963/portrait?size=64)
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
90
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:03:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote: One thing the changes *will* do is make ships like the Procurer and *maybe* the Retriever viable to use in low-sec. With the mining yield increase and the ore hold size, a Procurer could scoot around low belts mining Jaspet, and not have to worry as much about cruiser/bs size rats popping them before they can warp out.
Hedbergite is the best lowsec ore. It is 8th in value of all normal ores, after 5 high-sec ores. Sort this by ISK: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore |
![Jim Era Jim Era](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92013215/portrait?size=64)
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
9
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:04:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:OP is going to be first exhumer I gank when these changes hit TQ. Maybe I will get a few buddies and do it in destroyers for extra lol's.
I would gladly join you. srs |
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