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Hori To Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.08.21 10:17:00 - [31] Originally by: omgfreemoniez Loss of the respect of your corpmates <---- get a new corp
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.08.21 10:50:00 - [32] Originally by: omgfreemoniez Loss of your killboard stats. Loss of the respect of your corpmates Loss of confidence in your abilities Loss of your dignity as you are ridiculed for your death And on top of that you lose a ship too (which almost seems negligible compared to the other things, I have to say). It makes you feel **** and not want to log in. I feel the need to analyse this .... There are things you do to yourself that erodes confidence, and things you believe others are doing to you AND remember for vast amounts of time, that adds to and produces the same result. I would put you in the catagory of a victim disorder. These are a specialised group of people that believe everyone in RL and beyond considers them a loser and a waste of space. And guess what .... you spend alot of time and lose sleep making that into a reality. When in fact. This is a fun game - and when your having fun sometimes you put together stuff that some others might disagree with ...so what? Others do not have good memories for your "mishaps" - they are too busy with there OWN fun to remember your mistakes. You do ALL of this to yourself. And you will suffer from it UNTIL you decide that life is too short (and in some that happens at 50) Then, magically you stop worrying and start living for the moment. Please adjust your thought processes. The benefit will be a more positive and happier person. If you dont know how - just convo me Here endth the lesson ... flame on
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.08.21 11:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 21/08/2010 11:02:46 I don't live by "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", but rather "consider every ship bought already lost". When I buy a 100 MISK ship, those 100 MISK are already spent and are never coming back. When I lose the ship (when, not if), I don't lose anything, as I don't have those ISK anymore. In fact, I get a free gift from SIC, likely to be spent on the next ship. Or, as I use to say: If you don't lose your ship, you're not playing EVE right. Complaining you lost your ship in EVE is like complaining you got killed in Quake. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Private Bank	Posted - 2010.08.21 11:42:00 - [34] OP is pretty extreme... If u can't use t2 items its ok to use t1, but i mean u have trained many days for t2 items, so why the hek not use them when u can? Always use the cheapest (yea t2 are cheap) of the best.
Frozean	Posted - 2010.08.21 11:57:00 - [35] A general rule i follow is, dont fly in pve ships You cant replace once. Dont fly ships in pvp ships you cant replace 10000 times, unless you blob. So in short, until i have around 100b isk in my wallet, ill probably just fly bantams and ibis in pVP. Unless some 1000 people alliance asks me to murder a mining hulk. Then the chances of losing your ship lowers dramatically, and you can allow for using a T1 cruiser with only 10b in the wallet.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:00:00 - [36] Edited by: BrundleMeth on 21/08/2010 12:06:44 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel I almost exclusively lose, so I have a different take on this rule. I buy and fit ships, I have a hangar or three full of fit ships. I consider them lost already, my wallet is purely what I can buy now, I don't think about replacement. Cool just like me. I suck at PVP but I got like 125 fit ships sitting right now. About 20 are worth a Billion and several worth 2 Billion. The real expensive ones I like to sit in and take screenshots... Originally by: omgfreemoniez It's not just the loss of the pixels though, it's the whole package of loss that comes with it. Loss of your killboard stats. Loss of the respect of your corpmates Loss of confidence in your abilities Loss of your dignity as you are ridiculed for your death And on top of that you lose a ship too (which almost seems negligible compared to the other things, I have to say). It makes you feel **** and not want to log in. Thats crazy talk. Loss of confidence in your abilities? What abilities it's a stupid game is all...
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:02:00 - [37] Just make sure you got 2-3 pvp ships and one pve(ratting/anomaly) ship. You can easily earn back the isk for your lost ship in a week. So if you lose one, you have a backup ship and the means to earn the lost one back in no time. Also if you lose more then one ship a week, lol. I can agree a bad week can set you back, but there's also times you don't lose one in weeks. Also, if you're smart isk should NEVER be a problem. 5-10mins a day makes me around 2-4bil a month. That's enough to lose a carrier every month :P And if you every have a ****y week, just fly some cheap tackle frigs. One 0.0 rat can pay for 5 of those. ------
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:05:00 - [38] Tens of billions and still leery to fly T2 cruisers... I'm not quite sure this game is right for you. My suggestion: r-click Cozmik R5 in-game, select "give money", 1 or 2 billion will do. ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
RRNL Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:07:00 - [39] A cheap ship is a dead ship T1 = crap dont fly it unless u want to suicide U handle a ship with more love if its fitted correctly what ever faction mods it takes. It gives u more survival capabilities. Eample, dramiel with b-type mwd
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:12:00 - [40] Originally by: RRNL Example, Dramiel with b-type mwd Awesome until it meets a faction-fit Rapier ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Natalie Caladan Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:13:00 - [41] I hardly have ISK and I always fly the most expensive multi billion stuff I have in missions.
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Complaining you lost your ship in EVE is like complaining you got killed in Quake. Damn, why didn't I think of that ?! ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:19:00 - [43] Originally by: omgfreemoniez Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 21/08/2010 00:08:26 What about emotionally? I feel that losing a T2 cruiser would really, really, REALLY hurt, even if I could buy 100 more afterwards. Last time I lost a T1 cruiser I was so ****ed off I didnt log in for 3 days and I couldnt think of anything else but "what ifs" Any tips on getting over this? EDIT: I realise I take the Internet Spaceships far too seriously, and in fact consider them Serious Business you need to go lose cruisers until this stops being an issue. I still have "what if" thoughts about a lot of fights, but raging over a pvp loss isn't something that should happen. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
HottyChick	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:28:00 - [44] I dont see the point in stockpiling isk lol. I always have few ships rdy to jump in and thats it, once i lose all my pvp ships and im broke i just do some ratting and back to pew pew. I always have some emergency isk to buy gtc ect but Im not stockpiling isk-imagine this game goes to hell 1 day and than what you gonna do with ur bilions? And yes many games ended up badly and ppl lost assets so you cant tell how long eve will last. It used to be better(grid loading,lag,fleet fights,massive dc's) than its now so really instead of improving its getting worse with each expansion.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.08.21 12:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Frozean A general rule i follow is, dont fly in pve ships You cant replace once. Dont fly ships in pvp ships you cant replace 10000 times, unless you blob. So in short, until i have around 100b isk in my wallet, ill probably just fly bantams and ibis in pVP. Unless some 1000 people alliance asks me to murder a mining hulk. Then the chances of losing your ship lowers dramatically, and you can allow for using a T1 cruiser with only 10b in the wallet. I have read you post similar things a couple of times - and frankly, if this is the way you want to ~~live~~ play, nothing against you. But I don't see the point in this. Sure, the "don't fly..." rule is a good rule of thumb to prevent people from totally ruining themselves by flying their multibilion missioning ship into a gatecamp. But seriously - if you have a few hundred MISKs, why not take a throwaway 10M cruiser for a ride? You (and anyone else of course) might have moral or other principal issues against PvP, but lack of money should never be it. I have never held a bilion of my own money in the wallet. I don't run level 4 missions or carrier anomalies or any of those fancy "100M per hour" activities. I don't play or manipulate the market. I don't have any alts I use to make ISK. I don't sell PLEXes. Although I am the CEO, I never use corporation money for myself. Yet I am still able to lose a well-fit battleship roughly once a week, and random cruisers, BCs and smaller ships inbetween. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Shepard66	Posted - 2010.08.21 23:39:00 - [46] I learned this rule the hard way... Maybe ship insurances should cover a % of the fitting costs?
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.21 23:47:00 - [47] If I can replace the ship in a couple of missions, I don't mind losing it. [url=http://eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=401687] [/url] What the smeging smeg?! Originally by: Gneeznow damn goons what a bunch of jerks!
MissyDark	Posted - 2010.08.23 07:04:00 - [48] Originally by: omgfreemoniez Everyone has heard the saying in the title. Let me sop you right here. This rule is crap. If you fly only what you can afford to lose then there is no emotion. Only when there is a lot at stake you can actually feel your hands shake.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.23 07:20:00 - [49] i can always afford an ibis lol x EVE Garden
Omal Oma Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.23 11:16:00 - [50] What you can afford to replace doesn't mean what you have in your wallet. ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.
Zack Lonewolf	Posted - 2010.08.23 11:53:00 - [51] i fly fully t2 fit rifters, approx 10mill each all in rigged with good ammo. not only do they cost so little i can do the silly 1/100 chance of winning engagements, when you do win against a big shiney ship the victory is all the sweeter
Riho Gallente Drop of Blood	Posted - 2010.08.23 12:44:00 - [52] When i buy and fit a ship.. the isk is gone... i dont even insure my ships because i cant be arsed :P only been upset once when i lost a heavy faction fit astarte to a nano neut/nos domi(back in the day when those things flew 7km/s or so) 10min after i had it fit..mostly **ed off because i didnt check local... the guy landed on the station as i undocked and i couldnt redock for 30 sec.... bump and there it was :( all you have to know is the risks you take when engaging. atm i fly BCs with t2 fits mostly. these ships are great and i can be pretty suicidal with em, because the loss is not that big. with my faction BS i have done some really insane things and come on top (going 2vs10+(i didnt even know what ships most of the enemies had and even if id get backup from corpies)), but allways had escape planned if it all went up :) tldr: fly what you think is right for you and the risks you are gonna take. be ready to lose it 2 minz after undocking it. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something**
Mallui Mallard	Posted - 2010.08.23 12:48:00 - [53] I ignored that rule so many times, I'd be in such a bad position if I lost ship. I bought my first BS (an apocalypse) when I had BS II and Large Energy Turret I. With all the (cheapest) mods fitted I was left with a ballance so low I couldn't even afford insurance for it. I eventually got befriended 4 same minded individuals on the noob corp and we began to run L4 missions together with one taking turns salvaging. We made enough to get a corp going and I made my first billion a few weeks later ratting on 0.0. I still have that first Apoc I bought, it's one of my most prized possessions. Properly insured, of course. I believe the proper rule should be "Fly whatever the **** you want as long as you have money to buy and fit a BS".
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.23 13:17:00 - [54] Most people view it in terms of how long it would take to earn the money back and how much chance there is of you losing it, so it really depends on your earning potential and where you operate. Most 0.0 dwellers for example can afford to lose a t2 fitted pvp ship at any giving time as it will generally only take them a day to earn the money back ratting. High sec mission runners can afford to lose faction fitted bs (as they aren't really worth suiciding). People with large passive incomes can afford to lose officer fitted faction ships. Noobs doing level 1 missions in starter systems can afford to lose meta 1 fitted fully insured t1 frigates. Of course for everyone (except the passive billionaire) this relies on having a ship to make the isk, which you can't afford to lose regardless of other factors ( i keep a lvl 4 mission ship in empire just in case all else goes pear shaped). Every thing else is expendable to some degree. The whole thing also depends on what you are getting out of the game. To me the idea of having tens of billions of isk and not being willing to risk losing a t2 cruiser is ridiculous, to others me only having no isk and 1 ratting ship to my name after 6 years playing the game would be ridiculous 9i have been in that situation many times). Some people view isk as a way of keeping score, others view it simply a pvp ship in another state.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:52:00 - [55] When it comes to risking your ship, you have to decide if the risk is worth the reward. When you do lose a ship, try to figure out why you lost it and try and avoid that, (if possible) in the future. Dont fly drunk. Only ship losses i regret are the ones where i wasnt paying attention to my surroundings, (i.e. slowboating through losec thinking i was safe), and going solo in my manticore in lo/nulsec after coming home from the pub, (i have done this multiple times and i think i have learnt my lesson). Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Taedrin Gallente White Haven Corp	Posted - 2010.08.23 15:55:00 - [56] "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" does not mean don't fly what you can't replace. It means don't fly something which you absolutely can not and MUST NOT lose. Any ship that will result in you having to "start over" if you lose is a ship that you shouldn't undock in. This mostly applies to newer players who, for some reason, decide to undock in an untanked T1 hauler with all of their worldly possessions in their cargo bay. Bad decision. This also applies to people who decide to pour all of their money into an officer fitted battleship without having a stand by BS for running level 4 missions, or some other way to make money should you lose your uber BS. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Rocky Deadshot	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:59:00 - [57] I fly high sec missions alot on my main, and mine on my alt (although he is starting to train to also salvage and do combat) I have alot of isk right now and am comfortable with a ship fetish i have where i buy new ships just to test them out. Typically I can comfortably buy anything I can fly, but I do remember, back in the day, when i bought a drake and only had maybe enough isk to buy 2 or 3 more. I was a little concerned, but generally my perception is, if your a high sec carebear you only need to be able to replace it about twice for it to be a good investment. I also look at how much isk the ship should bring in through missions, and take into consideration my EFT fit on the tank and dps of the ship. I dont mind spending up to about 40% of my current cash in wallet to get a ship if i know the tank is good enough for any lvl 4 and the dps is better than my current ship. (ie when i get a ratter or fit out a T3) Really this rule applies to everyone in differnt degrees, a low/null sec or wh individual will probably want to refrain from purchesing something unless he can replace it like 8 times. But for carebears like me (or people with a pretty hefty ship collection the could sell) only being able to replace it twice is a good call. imho
Stitcher Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:14:00 - [58] I used to observe that rule religiously. Nowadays I don't. I fly whatever the hell I like, whenever the hell I like and if I lose it... well, I'll just work until I have the ISK for a new one. Assuming I don't already have it. that's not good strategy if your corporation is engaged in a major campaign and you need to be able to resupply quickly but if, like me, you live a reasonably peaceful existence, then you can afford to be a bit more gung-ho. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:59:00 - [59] I always found the "replace it x # of times" rule a bit misleading. Just think of it like this. If you lose that ship, how long will it take for you to replace it? Will you gripe about losing that many minutes or hours of work?
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.08.23 22:04:00 - [60] Fly blackbirds: jam your enemies from 100km the only thing that can stop you running away is an arazu. Fly rifters: have buddies. 10x rifters will beat 1x hurricane if range and speed are kept up. Hurricane suffers heavier isk. loss. likewise 20x rifters will massacare 1x zealot - if done right before the rifter who gains the first tackle gets killed. This should keep you happy for a while

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