Dual rep vengeance has to drop web and fit cap booster, that makes it complete ****.

And an equivalent shield ship will be losing defence in order to fit a webber.

also dual rep vengeance can get 350 dps tanked without spending much on c-type centii stuff.

ASB's are very good and its really very nice to see shield tankers making a come back.

Due to number of slots available on BS and their fitting, perhaps the X-L version should be limited to one per ship, but other smaller ships i think should be allowed two.

Tanks for a whooping 30secs, has low dps and an em-hole as big as the moon.
No, that isn't overpowered.

That's actually my screenshot after 5 minutes of EFT warrioring right there

It's got a nice tank sure, but you shouldn't be ruinning both ASB's at once so it tanks for more than 30 seconds, but don't look at the EFT numbers too literally

It's amusing that these days 200+ rocket DPS is regarded as low for a frigate.

The main disadvantage of this setup, and it's a significant one, is the lack of an mwd. Yes that em hole is pretty bad too

So far I have only had one engagement in it but it was the most amusing fight I have had in ages. It started with busting up a mining operation, nearly killing the Drake that came in to defend it but losing it due to my PC overheating (#1), then tussling with a fed comet and the same Drake before overheating again (#2) then finally losing it on my third login to an Enyo and Vengeance mostly through bad module management, target calling and generally being in a mild flap over my crappy computer shutting down on me. Was great fun!

Had I not had the 2 crashes I might have got an extra comet, enyo, vengeance and drake kill but that was just a wierd engagement in the first place

this new module is total **** - you can't kill it with neuts so there is ridiculous tank for a minute till all his friends come by, hence solo/small gank warfare is killed once again. good job ccp, as always

****** ferox with x-large ASB gets 1174dps tank for a minute?!

I would like to point out that in AT10 CCP limited ships to using just 1 ASB.

Discuss.

A shield booster has to produce at LEAST as many hitpoints as a similar sized shield extender gives to justify its spot on a ship. In fact since a buffer also gives alpha protection and a higher natural shield regeneration rate, the booster should produce as many hitpoints and then some. Any kind of nerf beyond a 1 per ship rule and the ASBs will be ruined.

Excuse my ignorance here, but I have just one question...

Pro-ASB's are saying that ASB's are okay because they're on par with an MSE and provide a comparable amount of HP...

If that's the case then how is ASB better than an MSE? Why use ASB over an MSE? They both take up a mid slot, correct? They both provide the same amount of HP (supposedly according to you), correct?

Just a simple question. Why are you praising ASB's if they're about the same as MSE's, which are cheaper and require no charges. Thanks.

The ASB can be overheated which gives a 10% bonus to boost amount, so on a 1 ASB fit that is one bonus. The other is a blue pill will add another 20% if that is being used.

Dual MSAB frigates are kind of meh. You have to give up alot of DPS in order to squeeze two onto such a small frame. They have a decent tank but when most Assault Frigates can do close to 300 DPS - and your super tanked frigate only does 150 or so - they can be beat down.

On the whole Shield Extender to ASB comparison - it's a really thin line. If an ASB doesn't put enough HP in to equal the MSE - the module is worthless. If it puts in too much - obviously OP. If it's just right then you have to weigh alpha considerations vs. signature radius as some deciding factors.

I've come to accept that these modules will probably have something done about them. I'm all for a 1 per ship limit. The original idea was a quick burst tank on a high DPS platform. You see three X-Large on a Mael and it causes you to roll your eyes though.

As for nuet resistance - working as intended. You can't tell me that you aren't just a little sick of mandatory nuets on the utitilty highs of every single ship? God forbid we have to choose missiles and rockets and a little bit more DPS to beat down ASB fits. I have fought dual MASB frigates 1v1 three times in the recent past. I won two and lost the third after breaking it's tank. (Third time he had an off-grid booster.) In all three fights I had an Enyo whose tank consisted of a DC and a Explosive plate. I had nuetrons and a rocket launcher in the high. Gank > Tank on the frigate level.

This is true only if your shields are around 33% for the whole 25,5 seconds, actual shield hp regenerated will be much lower in real combat situation. And then there is sig radius penalty for mse to consider (around 20%).

You also have to factor in the possibility of alpha, a Plated/Extended setup has advantages in remote repping and using 100% of its EHP all the time even under high dps.

The booster has the advantage of being able to reload if burst is low and able to get out of fire for an extended time.

It seems pretty clear to me that by the numbers the guy you quoted provided:

MSE roughly equals a MASB
LSE the same with LASB
No XLSE exists, same for armor where no XL Repp exists, there you got 1600plates instead. So XLASB is shields version of 1600 plates.

XLASE seems OP to ppl couse shields in the XL size has always been underpowered, no Active or passive option for it unthil now. And XLSB needs battery in pvp. You can argue all you want about damage modds. But the second and third dmg modd aint = Web/MWW,AB . Not even close.

1:Mid needs Scram in pvp. Low needs 1 DMG modd.
2:Second mid is MWD or Web, you NEED atleast 1 way to dictate or counter range dictation. Second DMG modd? its good but it can be sacrificed.
3:Third slot another range dictator for mid, highly needed since most armor tanks have it, not a must.
Third DMG modd? can easily be switched if other modd could be say Web or mwd lol.
4:fourth mid can be awesome for Battery usually to counter nos etc.
fourth dmg modd? lol only for shield ships who dont have anything else to put there... or PvE ships.

Then you have stuff like ECCM/targeting/tracking/painting/we.. All these modds are usually more powerful on the midslot version, but these modules are easily removed on both setups.


I think ppl are bitchy becouse of 2 reasons:
- Active tanking is booring to the attacker, it looks like the ship is going down but it int, it feels like it should be dead but its not! When in reality a plated version would stay alive pretty similar.
- XL shield tanking was not doable, now it has gotten a boost+battery+amplifier in 1 slot with 60second reload drawback. This puts large shield tankers on the map again with extra slots, and ppl are not used to getting spanked by "scrub" ships of the past.

Now personally i can see a nerf (especially in 2x ASB setups) inc, but i hope its minor couse the module is in a good spot. Im abit concerned on the T2 version thou, as the current t1 meta 1 is good as it is, meta and t2 might be to much :D

"Everyone can fit for max DPS now and not worry about things like utility." : ASB's: dumbing EVE down 1 engagement at a time.

"I beat it so it's not OP." : Not a valid argument anymore than "it beat me so its OP" is.

Anger, insults, no actual points made.