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lythos miralbar
4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: lythos miralbar on 25/08/2010 19:43:41
Quote: Okay... the spec:
IBM HS22 1 x Xeon 4C X5667 95W 3.06GHz/1333MHz/12MB 6 x 8GB PC3-10600 CL9 ECC DDR3 1333MHz VLP RDIMM 146 GB 2.5in Slim-HS 10K 6GB SAS HDD
Just a random sugestion here, why not use SSD (solid state) drives? most have 1.5 million days MTBF, are MASSIVELY faster than old style HDD's and with garbage colection routines built in they dont degrade over time any more (even if the OS does not support TRIM).
Whats more, lifespans have been significantly extended with new memory chips with high numbers of write cycles supported.. on a 32GB drive (100gb + is more common), you can write 100GB of data every day for 8 years before the drive starts to wear out.
Just a random sugestion
I'm starting to roll them out throghout our datacenter, they are great IMVHO.
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Erling Skakke
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:45:00 -
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Better than ever. 1290 pilots in system. All command were immediately executed. I tried: dock, undock, warpto, browse some prices.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: lythos miralbar Edited by: lythos miralbar on 25/08/2010 19:43:41
Quote: Okay... the spec:
IBM HS22 1 x Xeon 4C X5667 95W 3.06GHz/1333MHz/12MB 6 x 8GB PC3-10600 CL9 ECC DDR3 1333MHz VLP RDIMM 146 GB 2.5in Slim-HS 10K 6GB SAS HDD
Just a random sugestion here, why not use SSD (solid state) drives? most have 1.5 million days MTBF, are MASSIVELY faster than old style HDD's and with garbage colection routines built in they dont degrade over time any more (even if the OS does not support TRIM).
Whats more, lifespans have been significantly extended with new memory chips with high numbers of write cycles supported.. on a 32GB drive (100gb + is more common), you can write 100GB of data every day for 8 years before the drive starts to wear out.
Just a random sugestion
I'm starting to roll them out throghout our datacenter, they are great IMVHO.
They already use ssd tech for the database. The drives on the actual nodes themselves are probably only for boot up and low level system stuff. Though who knows it might make some sort of diffence so couldn't hurt to buy one and stick it on the jita node since it seems to be the new 'live' lag test bed.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:57:00 -
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I thought if we posted about new hardware we'd get a few more people in local testing. Tell you what... we get this puppy above 1800 tonight I will post a vid of a dev dancing in a cabinet in the new London datacenter.
Or if you choose a server pic :)
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Textret
Gallente The Executioners Mongoose Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai I thought if we posted about new hardware we'd get a few more people in local testing. Tell you what... we get this puppy above 1800 tonight I will post a vid of a dev dancing in a cabinet in the new London datacenter.
Or if you choose a server pic :)
We will require BOTH pictures.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:00:00 -
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Contact the head of Red vs Blue and ask them to stage a fleet fight in jita. That should give you plenty of additional data to chomp on.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: QioX Im wondering why is it only 1 quad core cpu and not 2 ? also why are you using a 10k rpm sas drive when these days most are using 15k rpm drives ? both of these would improve things alot more than just 1 cpu and an older slower drive
SSD's would not get even one more person in a fleet fight or Jita. The OS is there alone... no real exe's to speak of neededing the I/O there... so SSD's on a server with no IOPS... Just a waste.
Actually running a single CPU is Faster than running two CPU's when you are only using one core on one CPU. The CPU's talk via the QPI buss and create overhead and latency. For this test we want a clean benchmark... no other services are running save for Jita to prevent any overlap in serverload.
Hope that helps explain things a bit more.
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Teck Nine
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Teck Nine on 25/08/2010 20:05:44 I thought they would have gone with AMD 6 core or 12 core server CPU rigs. I think the 6 core 4 CPU ports can suport up to or around 165GB of ram or at least use a 6 core CPU in the server rig.
I'm kinda disappointed in the new server specs tbh.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:09:00 -
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Something else to think about for getting higher numbers is the fact that not very many people who are ingame are reading the forums. Maybe put out an in ingame message like the traffic advisorys around the jita area asking for players to move into jita or log on an alt if they have the time to help?
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Teck Nine Edited by: Teck Nine on 25/08/2010 20:05:44 I thought they would have gone with AMD 6 core or 12 core server CPU rigs. I think the 6 core 4 CPU ports can suport up to or around 165GB of ram or at least use a 6 core CPU in the server rig.
I'm kinda disappointed in the new server specs tbh.
Again... this is the baseline server, not the production system. This is our benchmark... just need to see where she tops out to know how this would scale on more cores, RAM, and alternate clock rates.
Thanks!
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Textret
Originally by: CCP Yokai I thought if we posted about new hardware we'd get a few more people in local testing. Tell you what... we get this puppy above 1800 tonight I will post a vid of a dev dancing in a cabinet in the new London datacenter.
Or if you choose a server pic :)
We will require BOTH pictures.
Make it 2000 and I'll post both!
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Thank you all for your feedback so far. Please keep it coming and let us know if your experience has improved, gotten worse or remained the same.
The war on lag is kicking up a gear and your reports are very important
Only took what 9 months...
Slower for me, however don't matter seeing as have been running on onboard with no shader support, I am sure you guys do not care on that front.
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael
Okay... the spec:
IBM HS22 1 x Xeon 4C X5667 95W 3.06GHz/1333MHz/12MB 6 x 8GB PC3-10600 CL9 ECC DDR3 1333MHz VLP RDIMM 146 GB 2.5in Slim-HS 10K 6GB SAS HDD
Non-optimized and no affinity set. Intel tweaks will come after some counter collections get us stats.
As alwaysą tell us what you thinką if you felt itą if you want cookiesą etc.
Why no 5677, you guys getting cheap?
Because IBM HS22 and IBM BladeCenter H could not accomodate CPUs with TDP of 130W. Unforutantely Xeon 5667 3.06GHz is the fastest Quad Core with 95W TDP - the Xeon 5677 3.46GHz you've mentioned has a TDP of 130W...
Anyway, with Intel Turbo Boost feature (Xeon 55xx/56xx) the most loaded CPU core could go up to 3.73GHz (from 3.06), which is still more that the current 3.33GHz dual-core-4/5-generations-older Intel Xeons...Having better IPC (instructions-per-cycle), memory throughput and lower latancy, this node could bring 10-20% better performance (at least).
Let's see what the "Control Group" benchmarking will show ... ___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS Circle-of-Two |
Hykke
Free Imperial Vikings
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai [if] we get this puppy above 1800 tonight I will post a vid of a dev dancing in a cabinet in the new London datacenter.
Or if you choose a server pic :)
He heee, I vote for the picture of ... no wait On the other hand ... DAMN that's a hard question
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Emberday
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael
Originally by: CCP Yokai
IBM HS22 1 x Xeon 4C X5667 95W 3.06GHz/1333MHz/12MB 6 x 8GB PC3-10600 CL9 ECC DDR3 1333MHz VLP RDIMM 146 GB 2.5in Slim-HS 10K 6GB SAS HDD
Non-optimized and no affinity set. Intel tweaks will come after some counter collections get us stats.
As alwaysą tell us what you thinką if you felt itą if you want cookiesą etc.
Why no 5677, you guys getting cheap?
35W more power per cpu for 400 extra MHz ? In a blade farm, no thanks. You can see that the spec was equally performance and power conscious. VLP memory is "Very Low Power", very being relative, but say 15-20%.
Glad to see the HS22 setup is coming along. Given the recent cabinet moves, this may allow a systematic replacement of targeted blades for performance while not being worried about cooling.
It will be nice to see if the "Fleet Fight" blades are next.
I logged in 2 Alts, seemed ok, but can't say very much about it ... I'm camping in "Nordic Jungle", north of the 46th parallel on a 24Kbps link. Surprising how many "fleet lag" behaviors I can simulate by starving the modem (load a webpage in the background) and how well a single client can otherwise run/fight/etc...
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:30:00 -
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Exactly what he said :)
Also, the 130W CPU's are possible to use in the H series... just need upgraded power supplies. For now we only need to know what makes the most impact for each part of the server and this test will help.
;)
Originally by: Hawk TT
Originally by: Kephael
Okay... the spec:
IBM HS22 1 x Xeon 4C X5667 95W 3.06GHz/1333MHz/12MB 6 x 8GB PC3-10600 CL9 ECC DDR3 1333MHz VLP RDIMM 146 GB 2.5in Slim-HS 10K 6GB SAS HDD
Non-optimized and no affinity set. Intel tweaks will come after some counter collections get us stats.
As alwaysą tell us what you thinką if you felt itą if you want cookiesą etc.
Why no 5677, you guys getting cheap?
Because IBM HS22 and IBM BladeCenter H could not accomodate CPUs with TDP of 130W. Unforutantely Xeon 5667 3.06GHz is the fastest Quad Core with 95W TDP - the Xeon 5677 3.46GHz you've mentioned has a TDP of 130W...
Anyway, with Intel Turbo Boost feature (Xeon 55xx/56xx) the most loaded CPU core could go up to 3.73GHz (from 3.06), which is still more that the current 3.33GHz dual-core-4/5-generations-older Intel Xeons...Having better IPC (instructions-per-cycle), memory throughput and lower latancy, this node could bring 10-20% better performance (at least).
Let's see what the "Control Group" benchmarking will show ...
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 25/08/2010 20:33:29
Originally by: CCP Yokai Seriously... only 1200... thought you guys had alts or something.
Evidence that your off track with your client base. The only reason anyone goes to Jita is to buy and sell. You seem to thnk that because you've made a new node for Jita more people will go there. Why? To compound the lack of insight you suggest that people in jita should log on alts... ...the characters you see in Jita are the alts. Why would a player have more than 2 fully trained trading alts unless they are permament scammers who need to look clean?
In fact the whole thread is a repetition of that same theme.
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Wildcarrd
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: QioX Im wondering why is it only 1 quad core cpu and not 2 ? also why are you using a 10k rpm sas drive when these days most are using 15k rpm drives ? both of these would improve things alot more than just 1 cpu and an older slower drive
SSD's would not get even one more person in a fleet fight or Jita. The OS is there alone... no real exe's to speak of neededing the I/O there... so SSD's on a server with no IOPS... Just a waste.
Actually running a single CPU is Faster than running two CPU's when you are only using one core on one CPU. The CPU's talk via the QPI buss and create overhead and latency. For this test we want a clean benchmark... no other services are running save for Jita to prevent any overlap in serverload.
Hope that helps explain things a bit more.
reading this makes me feel: 1) proud that I play a game where the devs have enough respect for the intellect of the playerbase to have the conversation at all, and,
2) like my head's gonna explode from reading too much geek-speak
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Kahar Dex
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:43:00 -
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TY, CCP, huge improvement : )
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:47:00 -
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I had zero lag and performance unlike before was godly.Before it took bout 1sec to process a buy of item now its instant and smooth.Very good machine you got there.I can only imagine if all systems run something like this maybe fleet fights would also notice the difference. knowledge is power |
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Darod Zyree call that specs? I was expecting new hamsters, leaving thread disapointed! :p
Here is the box art for the new server hardware.
Zeba wins this thread.
This. So much this lol Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 25/08/2010 20:33:29
Originally by: CCP Yokai Seriously... only 1200... thought you guys had alts or something.
Evidence that your off track with your client base. The only reason anyone goes to Jita is to buy and sell. You seem to thnk that because you've made a new node for Jita more people will go there. Why? To compound the lack of insight you suggest that people in jita should log on alts... ...the characters you see in Jita are the alts. Why would a player have more than 2 fully trained trading alts unless they are permament scammers who need to look clean?
In fact the whole thread is a repetition of that same theme.
He is not asking the people in jita to log in alts. He is asking for anyone to log in some alts and go to jita to stress the new hardware. Hence the message asking for players to head over to jita on the news items when you get to the character screen.
In fact your whole poast is a repetition of the same troll you always troll.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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Joshua Cy
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:05:00 -
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Just logged in my alt at Jita. Only 1300 there, but buying was smooth. Undocking was smooth. To get some more action I undocked in a Primus, but no one would gank it. So I undocked in a shuttle and randomly targeted and bumped large dangerous looking ships. Noticed no lag in targeting or movement.
I did see one bug: someone targeted me back and the yellow square about the ship is space was solid, not blinking. ( It blinked on the overview).
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jita Alt666 Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 25/08/2010 20:33:29
Originally by: CCP Yokai Seriously... only 1200... thought you guys had alts or something.
Evidence that your off track with your client base. The only reason anyone goes to Jita is to buy and sell. You seem to thnk that because you've made a new node for Jita more people will go there. Why? To compound the lack of insight you suggest that people in jita should log on alts... ...the characters you see in Jita are the alts. Why would a player have more than 2 fully trained trading alts unless they are permament scammers who need to look clean?
In fact the whole thread is a repetition of that same theme.
He is not asking the people in jita to log in alts. He is asking for anyone to log in some alts and go to jita to stress the new hardware. Hence the message asking for players to head over to jita on the news items when you get to the character screen.
In fact your whole poast is a repetition of the same troll you always troll.
It was not a troll, it was direct feedback of the manner inwhich this testing is being conducted. Again CCP are asking for us to help them test their gear, and again ccp are expressing disatisfaction in the low number of paying subscribers who are willing to help them. I am simply saying that system wont get 1800-2000 players into Jita tonight. Jita is a system full of trading alts there to make ingame isk - why would I (an presumably many other subscribers) stop running my: r&d grind on an alt 30ish jumps out, pos erection on an alt 45ish jumps out, station reinforcing alt 35ish jumps out, to help test the load on Jita.
The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, but thankyou for pointing out that my post was unclear I hope I have clarified things in this post.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 It was not a troll, it was direct feedback of the manner inwhich this testing is being conducted. Again CCP are asking for us to help them test their gear, and again ccp are expressing disatisfaction in the low number of paying subscribers who are willing to help them. I am simply saying that system wont get 1800-2000 players into Jita tonight. Jita is a system full of trading alts there to make ingame isk - why would I (an presumably many other subscribers) stop running my: r&d grind on an alt 30ish jumps out, pos erection on an alt 45ish jumps out, station reinforcing alt 35ish jumps out, to help test the load on Jita.
The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, but thankyou for pointing out that my post was unclear I hope I have clarified things in this post.
Feedback requires something helpful to be stated or a problem to be defined. You had nothing helpful to add and only pointed out the obvious which I promptly cleard up. Plus you were quite negative in your tone. Hence: troll. And no I will not ignore you.
As far as the last part of the poast well then don't arse yourself to help if its going to get in the way of your game. But do you speak for every single player with alts? Maybe there are a few with inactive alts they wouldn't mind to stick in a shuttle and shuffle off to jita on autopilot as they play the game with their main?
Always with the negative waves man. Have a little faith baby.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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Miss Wormwood
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:24:00 -
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Popped to Jita to make up the numbers because I'm not doing anything else in particular.
Everything seems to be working smoothly, down to about 1170 bods now though.
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Julie Vosgerichian
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:27:00 -
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actually, what makes your post a troll is that you assume people do not have jita alts. pretty much everyone i know who lives in empire has a jita alt (alt living in jita) in order to check prices, and many of those people have 1 jita alt per account. GG
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Wormwood Popped to Jita to make up the numbers because I'm not doing anything else in particular.
Everything seems to be working smoothly, down to about 1170 bods now though.
Expect Jita numbers to drop slowly over the next 13 hours. Currently still around 1140
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:36:00 -
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Down to 1100 in local. It is running smooth as silk though.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jita Alt666 It was not a troll, it was direct feedback of the manner inwhich this testing is being conducted. Again CCP are asking for us to help them test their gear, and again ccp are expressing disatisfaction in the low number of paying subscribers who are willing to help them. I am simply saying that system wont get 1800-2000 players into Jita tonight. Jita is a system full of trading alts there to make ingame isk - why would I (an presumably many other subscribers) stop running my: r&d grind on an alt 30ish jumps out, pos erection on an alt 45ish jumps out, station reinforcing alt 35ish jumps out, to help test the load on Jita.
The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, but thankyou for pointing out that my post was unclear I hope I have clarified things in this post.
Feedback requires something helpful to be stated or a problem to be defined. You had nothing helpful to add and only pointed out the obvious which I promptly cleard up. Plus you were quite negative in your tone. Hence: troll. And no I will not ignore you.
As far as the last part of the poast well then don't arse yourself to help if its going to get in the way of your game. But do you speak for every single player with alts? Maybe there are a few with inactive alts they wouldn't mind to stick in a shuttle and shuffle off to jita on autopilot as they play the game with their main?
Always with the negative waves man. Have a little faith baby.
Zeba, I feel we are getting off topic and derailing the thread. Which is not constructive feedback at all. However you raise a couple points that I feel need addressing.
1. If the problem I raised is obvious, why does CCP repeat it on a weekly basis. Do the same things and you get the same results. Indeed with our combined posting it is becoming more obvious but at the expense of the overall thread.
2. To test the node capacity you suggest "a few" players with in active alts could autopilot over. Jita has just dropped under 1100, by "a few" do you mean 1000 players auto-pilot over to Jita?
To test the node's capacity CCP need to engage with their client base, when your most vocal dissenters back you up or disappear, you know things are working well.
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