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Rakessh
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Damon Eclipse
Originally by: Teck Nine Tried jita out for the 3rd time and once again still no lag even when you guys were using the old stuff. Either my internet connection is fast to help counter the lag problem or my comp's specs are beyond what the average eve online player has.
IMO I think its because the rig I built is a beast. I sunk over $400 just for the ram alone and using a 6 core black edition not o/c and running at 3.2GHz.
I have My gaming rig online, 1 comp downloading stuff most the time and playing my P3 online with no problems. Alot of people who play this game is using ADSL or Dile-up
Report to CCP and become a <system> node.
Actually entertained this idea for about 5 minutes with an mmo tech I was creating. Not gonna work very well. In theory if there was no latency and no bandwidth limits across the Internet, having the client be a node could work great, but even then you have serious security issues with this setup.
Which of course is unfortunate or CCP could've tapped into a lot of nice customer hardware for running their game ;) Free cpu cycles 4tw
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:32:00 -
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I think DEV blog mentioned something about moving markettransactions to another separate node so thats why market feels snappier.
Checking prices is super fast, selling/buying also, but items appear with a noticable 1-2 second delay. Moving items = 1 second delay (was 3-5 seconds so it seems better).
flying around (700 players online in Jita) wasnt great tho, a lot of jerking back and forth, almost like you tried to optimize something and it backfired?
Undocking is super awesome, no more 5 seconds with black screen.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:52:00 -
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One word: JITAFEST.
Jita has been working just fine for me before - admittedly I don't spend much time there, but even during the busier times (Sunday EVEnings) I had no problems doing shopping, undocking, moving around and that. I don't think I've ever been in a fight in Jita, but what's the point anyway.
How about keeping the server and using it for the nodes that are petitioned for reinforcement instead? Which would you rather have: "EVE online, with epic battles where YOU can fight hundreds of other people", or "EVE Online, where YOU can... buy and sell stuff"? ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real! |
Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:02:00 -
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Currently 735 in local in Jita: 0 Market lag (orders, price history stats for 1 year, bought items appear instantly) 0 EveMail lag 0 Chat lag 0 Undock / Doc lag
Let's see Jita on Sunday night
If my client specs matter: i7 Core 3.6GHz, 12GB 1866MHz DDR3, Radeon 5870 Toxic, Windows 7 x64, 100Mbps FO Internet connection, 8 hops to EVE cluster, 45-55ms network latency. ___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS Circle-of-Two |
Spatula King
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:21:00 -
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If they use an AMD, it would work better. The 1090Ts are way faster than any Intel chip, and then you have the Opterons which are even faster.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:31:00 -
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I'd love to compare the benchmarks now and when the affinity with a single core is set.
Single thread apps love to be bound to a single core. The context switch that may happen when hopping cores could really ruin your day. --- Kat |
Nanofoegan
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:43:00 -
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can we get one of those servers for 0.0 as well :) we are kinda tired of lagging in fights with 50+ pilots. please do something do damn it!
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Guilty Man
Minmatar Guilty People
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Just wanted to quickly say thanks! Also, I wanted to point out that while I may have asked for more in people in Jita, it's all in good fun and in no way is anyone upset. I appreciate those who had the time and interest in logging on and respect those that couldn't or wouldn't. I hope that the next call for numbers will find you and yours available and interested.
You better make an announcement before the weekend, I will surely come and move all my alts to Jita, so many will do if they see the call.
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Shingorash
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:45:00 -
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Why use SATA drives anyway, you should be using RAID 5 SCSI drives. Bearing in mind the cluster with need fast response I/O on the drives SATA just wont cut it... --------------------------------------------------
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MrBreaker
Amarr Subatomic Research
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:46:00 -
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I had no idea this testing was happening last night, or there had been an upgrade, but had to go to Jita to pick up some skills.
I did notice it was slightly faster.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:48:00 -
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Seems very simple to me. Leave the new hardware in through the weekend and don't put any limit on the number of players in Jita. You will soon get a "Crash Jita" movement going with thousands of alts orbiting the station. Why? Because it's Jita and because it is for a good cause. Once you have your data, reestablish the population limit (hopefully at a higher level) and tell everyone to go home. Just don't expect much to happen before the weekend.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Rapid Pod Transport
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Posted - 2010.08.26 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai
We got over 1300 today... not bad for middle of the week. The hardware will stay there for now so there is plenty of time for testing.
Put a dev in Titan outside Jita4 and local will go up immediately. Just make sure it has lots of HP and drops good loot.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shingorash Why use SATA drives anyway, you should be using RAID 5 SCSI drives. Bearing in mind the cluster with need fast response I/O on the drives SATA just wont cut it...
That would be a waste as only the OS use the local HDD. All I/O is done to local RAM and remotely to the DB servers with the RAMSAN behind them.
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Dan Wilkie
Gallente British Buccaneers The Worst Alliance in Eve
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shingorash Why use SATA drives anyway, you should be using RAID 5 SCSI drives. Bearing in mind the cluster with need fast response I/O on the drives SATA just wont cut it...
Um, it's not SATA anyway? It's SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) which is pretty standard for direct attached drives these days...
As for the single drive only, as someobdoy commented further down it's purely for system files, DP ops are on the SAN iirc
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Shingorash
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:52:00 -
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My mistake didnt see that bit! --------------------------------------------------
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:12:00 -
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ccp clearly said it is a serve r/w iops aka NOT much hdd activity, heck i think even a 40GB 2mb cache IDE disk would then suffice (might be over doing it but you get the point)
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:21:00 -
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CCP Yokai put a ramsan 20 and 2 gtx295 on sli so n00bs can be happy whit teh spec LOL
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Darod Zyree
Gallente Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:51:00 -
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Post pic of eve server(s) -Darod- |
Koga Bisaya
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Posted - 2010.08.26 12:04:00 -
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I'm shocked and astonished but - yes, my corp had small gang battles with our wartargets in jita today that went alright! Now if the rest of the galaxy could become as lag free, I can go back to PVPing worrying only about losing my ship to other players, instead of losing my ship to lag
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HellGate fr
Yarrbear Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: HellGate fr on 26/08/2010 13:21:23
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: CCP Yokai
We got over 1300 today... not bad for middle of the week. The hardware will stay there for now so there is plenty of time for testing.
Put a dev in Titan outside Jita4 and local will go up immediately. Just make sure it has lots of HP and drops good loot.
That is a really good idea ! Put an Avatar like 200km from the station and people will come to be on the killmail!
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Teck Nine
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Teck Nine on 26/08/2010 13:32:56 If they want to do a server load maybe they could do it during DT and do a test and could offer people ISK, items, ships, BPO, BOC and such that can grab the attention of alot of people or watch to see what time of day there's the most people online and do the testing then and offer people a reward(s) for helping out.
Sorry for posting 2 times but its easier to read this way because some people don't want to read a long thing.
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Teck Nine
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rakessh
Originally by: Damon Eclipse
Originally by: Teck Nine Tried jita out for the 3rd time and once again still no lag even when you guys were using the old stuff. Either my internet connection is fast to help counter the lag problem or my comp's specs are beyond what the average eve online player has.
IMO I think its because the rig I built is a beast. I sunk over $400 just for the ram alone and using a 6 core black edition not o/c and running at 3.2GHz.
I have My gaming rig online, 1 comp downloading stuff most the time and playing my P3 online with no problems. Alot of people who play this game is using ADSL or Dile-up
Report to CCP and become a <system> node.
Actually entertained this idea for about 5 minutes with an mmo tech I was creating. Not gonna work very well. In theory if there was no latency and no bandwidth limits across the Internet, having the client be a node could work great, but even then you have serious security issues with this setup.
Which of course is unfortunate or CCP could've tapped into a lot of nice customer hardware for running their game ;) Free cpu cycles 4tw
Haha actually there are games that do that. Doesn't the PS3 also use the same method for gaming is using People's PS3 as kinda a game server since in COD MW2 if a person's doesn't have a good enough connection they usaly get dropped and it looks for a new host.
I think once they get the game to a point where it would be costly to upgrade their server then they might start to make people's comp help take some of the load.
Originally by: Spatula King If they use an AMD, it would work better. The 1090Ts are way faster than any Intel chip, and then you have the Opterons which are even faster.
here's a rough list on the cost of AMD CPUs
1 - AMD 1090T6 Core 3.2GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s ) FSB,Socket AM3, Processor would cost around $329.97
2 - AMD Opteron 2435 Six-Core Processor - 2.60GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $1300 3 - AMD Opteron 2431 Six-Core Processor - 2.40GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $900
4 - AMD Opteron 6172 Magny-Cours 2.1GHz 12 x 512KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache Socket G34 115W 12-Core Server Processor - $1,070.00
With numbers 2 and 3 there's server boards that suport 2 to 4 CPUs and cau suport up to 165GB of ram and it also supports the new DDR3 type of ram.
For the 12 core there's boards that support 1 to 2 CPUs and can suport around 65GB of ram and it supports the new DDR3 ram.
So as you can see there are alot of options to make a powerful server rig that can deal with alot of load.
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FireT
Gallente Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Crimson Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:36:00 -
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Thanbk you CCP and all your staff for your continued dedication to this great game.
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Levitikon
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Utilise recent Sansha Incursion, "There are rumours of a sansha manipulated wormhole being targeted to develop in Jita. The last of these manipulated wormholes resulted in a sizable Sansha force emerging in high security space and momentarely overwhelming concord forces. Inside sources indicate the wormhole generation attempt will be between 1700 - 2300 on Wednesday 25 August 114. The same sources indicate that the Sansha Forces will be heavily dependent on their own faction ships and modules. Concord are appealing for capsuleer help to limit this attempted incusrion."
CCP Yokai, please, pleeeease, take a note. Call the event guys and let tell them to "make it so". You kill several birds with it - add some event to enrich EVE universe, you make RPers happy by providing them with high performance solar system and you get ****load of players stress testing new hardware.
I would also suggest that instead of Jita, you would designate two solarystems and have one run old node and other on new hardware. Without telling players which is which or even changing SOL affinity every day. This way you can get comparative data on usage models that model actual server use (instead of Jita'ish sitting in station) and reliable player feedback (it would be essentially quality single blinded scientific experiment, compared to basically gossip and self-suggestion you have now).
I know it's more work, but I do believe it's worth it (and it would be event team doing majority of heavy lifting).
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:58:00 -
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If only ecc reg ram had a faster timings ....
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Purple Warlock
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Levitikon
Originally by: Jita Alt666
Utilise recent Sansha Incursion, "There are rumours of a sansha manipulated wormhole being targeted to develop in Jita. The last of these manipulated wormholes resulted in a sizable Sansha force emerging in high security space and momentarely overwhelming concord forces. Inside sources indicate the wormhole generation attempt will be between 1700 - 2300 on Wednesday 25 August 114. The same sources indicate that the Sansha Forces will be heavily dependent on their own faction ships and modules. Concord are appealing for capsuleer help to limit this attempted incusrion."
CCP Yokai, please, pleeeease, take a note. Call the event guys and let tell them to "make it so". You kill several birds with it - add some event to enrich EVE universe, you make RPers happy by providing them with high performance solar system and you get ****load of players stress testing new hardware.
I would also suggest that instead of Jita, you would designate two solarystems and have one run old node and other on new hardware. Without telling players which is which or even changing SOL affinity every day. This way you can get comparative data on usage models that model actual server use (instead of Jita'ish sitting in station) and reliable player feedback (it would be essentially quality single blinded scientific experiment, compared to basically gossip and self-suggestion you have now).
I know it's more work, but I do believe it's worth it (and it would be event team doing majority of heavy lifting).
Im down for that. CCP make it happen pliz. Ohh and Jita is AWESOME NOW. <3
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Teck Nine here's a rough list on the cost of AMD CPUs
1 - AMD 1090T6 Core 3.2GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s ) FSB,Socket AM3, Processor would cost around $329.97
2 - AMD Opteron 2435 Six-Core Processor - 2.60GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $1300 3 - AMD Opteron 2431 Six-Core Processor - 2.40GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $900
4 - AMD Opteron 6172 Magny-Cours 2.1GHz 12 x 512KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache Socket G34 115W 12-Core Server Processor - $1,070.00
With numbers 2 and 3 there's server boards that suport 2 to 4 CPUs and cau suport up to 165GB of ram and it also supports the new DDR3 type of ram.
For the 12 core there's boards that support 1 to 2 CPUs and can suport around 65GB of ram and it supports the new DDR3 ram.
So as you can see there are alot of options to make a powerful server rig that can deal with alot of load.
And you totally failed to realise that CCP is interested in max performace per core, not per CPU as EVE won't be multi-threaded anytime soon.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Teck Nine here's a rough list on the cost of AMD CPUs
1 - AMD 1090T6 Core 3.2GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s ) FSB,Socket AM3, Processor would cost around $329.97
2 - AMD Opteron 2435 Six-Core Processor - 2.60GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $1300 3 - AMD Opteron 2431 Six-Core Processor - 2.40GHz, Socket F, 6MB L3 Cache - $900
4 - AMD Opteron 6172 Magny-Cours 2.1GHz 12 x 512KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache Socket G34 115W 12-Core Server Processor - $1,070.00
With numbers 2 and 3 there's server boards that suport 2 to 4 CPUs and cau suport up to 165GB of ram and it also supports the new DDR3 type of ram.
For the 12 core there's boards that support 1 to 2 CPUs and can suport around 65GB of ram and it supports the new DDR3 ram.
So as you can see there are alot of options to make a powerful server rig that can deal with alot of load.
And you totally failed to realise that CCP is interested in max performace per core, not per CPU as EVE won't be multi-threaded anytime soon.
Ahum, that's a nicely inaccurate statement at the end there. Considering the location nodes alone provide a number of threads equal to the amount of solar systems in eve so saying 'eve' or the 'eve server' is not multi-threaded would be a grossly inaccurate statement as the 'eve server' is actually a cluster of threads divided by function, further subdivided if applicable (location nodes for instance), constantly communicating with eachother and the players and on top of that they are (going to be) dynamically spread around the available cores on the available servers.
Note that the term 'server' in the professional industry refers to a single xU mounting case containing a single motherboard and applicable hardware. These 'servers' in the form of database servers, storage servers, forum servers, service servers, load balancers/spreaders routers, firewalls and what not all fill up rackmount cases and the entirety of those interconnected servers filling up an x number of rackmount cases constitute the 'server park', which could be referred to as 'the eve online server' in a more traditional all-encompassing function-defined 'gamers' way. __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Rakessh
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rakessh on 26/08/2010 17:52:39 Actually, AMD Magnycours nodes might be better for holding all those 20 and below population systems, and the Intel one seem far far better at handling congested and contested systems and for node reinforcement use.
Edit: AMD 1090T6 is also out of the question as this is a desktop part, and will not find it's way into mainstream blade designs.
CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion |
Tinwan Sonomura
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Posted - 2010.08.26 18:18:00 -
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I just jumped over from Itamo and while there was a bit of lag, maybe 5 seconds jumping in from Maurasi, I noticed no other lag, docking, undocking, installing or deinstalling modules, or moving stuff to and from my cargo bay. Here here CCP, nice work on addressing the lag issues in Jita.
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