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Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:52:00 -
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So, just to briefly lay down the why of this: I enjoy watching Street Fighter streams on Twitch and am a bit of a fairweather follower of the pros, and I like how they have custom sticks and such. I noticed that someone had done a custom Starcraft II fighting stick in a similar fashion to what the SF fighting sticks look like. After some Googling I found that nothing is out there for EVE, but there is for WoW.
Here are 2 different mockups I made for essentially the same thing: One is an actual keyboard and the other is a separate unit that attaches via USB into your computer. Well, both would obviously be USB.
The whole entire unit can be made with clear plexi and can have a nice graphic slapped on the top for extra sex appeal. LED lights on the sight, illuminated buttons, backlights, I mean the possibilities are endless with something like this.
http://imgur.com/V2exE
http://imgur.com/e2aad
What now? I made this just to get it out of my system. I wanted to just lay it out with some fellow players and come up with something real nice, but as far as execution goes, I'm sure that if this were put into professional hands this could be produced quicker than I could possibly do it. But if feedback is positive, and someone with a ton of money and time doesn't step forward then I'll be happy to take this as far as I can with the time I have.
Things like Kickstarter are great for projects like this, so we could go that route to produce a prototype. I'm definitely down for that.
Step 1: We need feedback. Button locations, organization, shapes, sizes, everything. Whatchu got?
For right now, that's all the steps we need. Let's just get some discussion going and see if we can't make this thing a reality, because I know I would love to slap a big red target button before I pop a sucka. |
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
388
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:06:00 -
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Assuming that you are in the US, Keep in mind that ventures in kick starter and indigogo are not tax free ventures unless you are with a non profit with 501c3 status. All money given to you is considered earned income not donations. You can partner with a non profit to get the tax free benefits but it might be hard finding to support your cause unless someone on here can help you do down that route. I would advise you talking to a tax professional to know how much you need to withhold for taxes and to make sure you have enough cash on hand to create your prototype and to create the items that the people are giving money for.
Now im off fer a bit... soaps are on.
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Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
117
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:07:00 -
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I love it.
Put me down for two of them. One black and one ... Either navy blue or white, whatever is easier. 
Whatever you do, please for the love of god use mechanical key switches.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Turifica
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:41:00 -
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nice touch with the buttons arranged like the ccp logo. you do this sort of thing professionally? |
Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:54:00 -
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No, I'm in school studying finance. I prefer to design for hobby. I do killboard banners, wallpapers and stuff too if you check my sig's link. But yeah, I'm trying rock and roll with this controller. I'm starting to map the logistics of manufacturing one of these guys right now.
Is your desktop wallpaper ruining your life? -áLet me help you. |
dexington
89
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:05:00 -
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Try looking for a local hackerspace, there is a good chance you can find someone willing to help you with the input hardware, they may also have access to hardware needed to prototype the casing.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
66
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:11:00 -
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OH GOD i love buttons! |
Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:28:00 -
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dexington wrote:Try looking for a local hackerspace, there is a good chance you can find someone willing to help you with the input hardware, they may also have access to hardware needed to prototype the casing.
Never heard of Hackerspaces. One Google search later and yeah, this thing is getting built. I have a large and organized Hackerspace community in my city.
Is your desktop wallpaper ruining your life? -áLet me help you. |
Hongus Gwag
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:32:00 -
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Grandpa Bill wrote:Assuming that you are in the US, Keep in mind that ventures in kick starter and indigogo are not tax free ventures unless you are with a non profit with 501c3 status. All money given to you is considered earned income not donations. You can partner with a non profit to get the tax free benefits but it might be hard finding to support your cause unless someone on here can help you do down that route. I would advise you talking to a tax professional to know how much you need to withhold for taxes and to make sure you have enough cash on hand to create your prototype and to create the items that the people are giving money for.
Now im off fer a bit... soaps are on.
Even accountants wouldn't find this paragraph interesting. |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
35
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:04:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:Even accountants wouldn't find this paragraph interesting.
yeah, posts that attempt to contribute to the community instead of cussing at each other are totally boring. |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
63
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:17:00 -
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I would buy one...especially if they used Cherry switches.
Karash Amerius
Operative, Sutoka |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1044
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Posted - 2012.07.27 22:00:00 -
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love it. but you know...
Zboard has this cool system where you can swap in and out other mo set ups. the mmo boards only cost 10$. Maybe you should take your idea t them? try to prove there is a market for it? They made one for city of heros and no one plays that,
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
Unified Church of the Unobligated
492
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Posted - 2012.07.27 22:04:00 -
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That looks a bit useful, I'd be tempted to spend some money on the keyboard definitely, maybe the controller too.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
Internet Guardians
820
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Posted - 2012.07.27 22:22:00 -
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I'm thinking of customising my wireless keyboard and possibly my laptop as well, does anyone know what kind of paint can be applied to the plastics used to construct these items?
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
Internet Guardians
820
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Posted - 2012.07.27 22:22:00 -
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Karash Amerius wrote:I would buy one...especially if they used Cherry switches.
Also this 
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:03:00 -
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Keep it coming.
I would need to get in touch with CCP before even thinking about going to anyone like ZBoards. For now this can turn into a well polished, shiny toy with tons of button. No need to think about mass producing it quite yet.
Couple of things: Why Cherry switches?
K, it was just 1 thing.
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Lilith Amunet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:17:00 -
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I want it. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1044
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:18:00 -
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Lilith Amunet wrote:I want it.
awww you look so sad and upset that you can't have it, lol
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
Internet Guardians
820
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:19:00 -
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Pandora Tau wrote:Keep it coming.
I would need to get in touch with CCP before even thinking about going to anyone like ZBoards. For now this can turn into a well polished, shiny toy with tons of button. No need to think about mass producing it quite yet.
Couple of things: Why Cherry switches?
K, it was just 1 thing.
Cherry switches produce a very satisfying and tactile "click" when a button is pressed, unlike the "soft press" keyboards so prevalent today. On a personal note I would prefer Cherry MX Black switches as the activation and release points are the same, making for easier double tapping.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:37:00 -
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OK, so as far as this stuff goes, keys and whatnot--
The keys would need to be small. This is the manufacturer I'm looking at right now for everything else that's not the target switch:
http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/keytops.html?gclid=CJWV7LSCu7ECFQKEnQodvX8Arw
So, it'd just be like a keyboard. If I could get switches that were small enough not make this too big, that'd be awesome. I found a plexi solution today, so that's good.
When you guys offer suggestions, please don't hesitate to drop URLs of images or info, and whatnot.
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Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
221
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Posted - 2012.07.28 00:17:00 -
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Would absolutely buy such a product. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.07.28 00:19:00 -
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Key caps are one thing but the switches under them are what gives a keyboard its "feel."
The cherry switches mentioned above are one of the more popular types of mechanical key switches like I mentioned before. Mechanical were popular quite a while ago before they started putting out these cheap rubber membrane crap silent keyboards. Mechanical keyboards are making a big comeback lately especially with gamers. Something this cool really should have nice switches.
Also from everything I've ever read about zboards they are terrible quality with an awful mushy feel to them.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
720
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Posted - 2012.07.28 00:24:00 -
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Make a keyboard like this for EvE and you may be on to something.
*waggle waggle waggle* |
Lascero
Midnight Crescendo
8
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Posted - 2012.07.28 02:18:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Make a keyboard like this for EvE and you may be on to something. *waggle waggle waggle*
EVE Powerglove |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
1128
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:28:00 -
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OMG OP this is great.
I would buy one of either, as long as it would not override my keyboard.
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Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.28 05:49:00 -
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Ok, all sounds great about the Cherry switches. Just got home from work. I'ma spend a couple hours mocking up the separate controller once more, a bit more nice with icons, etc. It looks like the separate controller might be the best avenue. As far as having your keyboard plugged in at the same time, would I need to consider that with programming or if another USB component enters a command that EVE can register while I'm in EVE will it read it no problem? I guess what I'm asking is do I need to worry about having multiple inputs on EVE?
I found a guy at work who might be able to handle the programming too, so once I get an idea how big the board will be I can design around that. Since we're doing just the box separately, I'm wondering if a box is perfect, or maybe some other shaped. Long, tall, round, hexagonal, wrist rest-- I'll come back with a few options.
Thanks for all the support guys. Let's make this happen.
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Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.07.28 06:35:00 -
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I use my Logitech G-13 with EVE and it works just fine. It is essentially just another keyboard.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
97
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Posted - 2012.07.28 07:11:00 -
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I also love my G-13, highly recommended. As for keyboards I use my Steelseries modular Z-Board. I usually have the Battle for Middle Earth keyset since I love Toklien, but occasionally will have my Guild Wars set popped in since it is cool looking too. I think it would be easier and more affordable to convince Steelseries to make a EVE keyset than to make a dedicated keyboard although it has been some years since they have made a non-Blizzard set. |
Sarah Atkinson
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.07.28 08:03:00 -
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I clicked your link and spotted a picture of a baby deer!
Oh, and I like the idea of the big fat undock button on the keyboard.
Pickles! |
Pandora Tau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:42:00 -
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OK, got an update for the mockup, as well as a potential gamebreaking idea. This could be real good.
First, here's the updated mockup for the controller itself. http://imgur.com/zdbIy
TOP 2 rows are neocom stuff: Wallet, Calculator, Overview Settings, Market, etc.
NEXT row is fleet broadcast stuff
In the middle is the drone stuff
Everything is self explanatory. I've been up all night working on this, so I was too lazy to make a legend. I'm going to update the OP with this mockup.
But here's the idea. What if we turned this into an app for your tablet and if you were to just simply connect your tablet via LAN and you could rock this in EVE without a big ol piece of hardware. I personally don't have a tablet, and would love a piece of hardware but as far as having an app for an MMO.... WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
The app could have animated buttons, custom background for corp/alliance, snap-to-grid type of deal where you can shift and move things around... oh, dear. It's endless.
Enjoy the mockup. I need sleep.
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