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Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 22:15:00 -
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Banned from CAOD, OP?
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.02 22:25:00 -
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Sniper
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Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.02 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/09/2010 23:21:48
Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/09/2010 23:18:19
 Originally by: Musical Fist
R.A.G.E. have never been good at spinning, you are proof alone of that. Lets look at the arguments the No Combaters have given to diplomacy.
You first get the long term players who are aware of the lameage, accept it and take advantage
Read that highlighted line, read it, and read it again. Are you posting in Musical Fistish? Could you get it google translated please? If English is your first language then you should feel very sorry for yourself. No pun intended, are you actually Russian?
To summarise your reply, it is simply a threadful of cries, whines, amazingly bad grammatical mistakes and some incredible strawman-beating (want to counter my argument? please at least try to quote them instead of putting words into my mouth). If you really want to be taken seriously by someone (CCP!!!nerf the NC please they are overpowered) other than your (very) small (very) vocal group of supporters, you should try something called 'logic' and 'presence' instead.
edit 1: do you actually mean 'you alone are proof of that'? Well that still makes no sense but at the very least it is in English 
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.02 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Yifan
Edited by: Captain Yifan on 02/09/2010 23:18:19
Originally by: Musical Fist
R.A.G.E. have never been good at spinning, you are proof alone of that. Lets look at the arguments the No Combaters have given to diplomacy.
You first get the long term players who are aware of the lameage, accept it and take advantage
Read that highlighted line, read it, and read it again. Are you posting in Musical Fistish? Could you get it google translated please? If English is your first language then you should feel very sorry for yourself. No pun intended, are you actually Russian?
To summarise your reply, it is simply a threadful of cries, whines, amazingly bad grammatical mistakes and some incredible strawman-beating (want to counter my argument? please at least try to quote them instead of putting words into my mouth). If you really want to be taken seriously by someone (CCP!!!nerf the NC please they are overpowered) other than your (very) small (very) vocal group of supporters, you should try something called 'logic' and 'presence' instead.
Really you are countering my reply by criticising my grammar, when yours was much worse, you must be pretty desperate.
Guess you could always use the "make love not war" argument instead that normally gets a few laughs, oh and I underlined the part which will make you emotional, I mean WTF dude not one, not two but three exclamation marks then followed by nerf without a space and you never even capitalised n OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT!!WERE!!YOU!!THINKING!
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Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.02 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
Really you are countering my reply by criticising my grammar, when yours was much worse, you must be pretty desperate.
You are the desperate one here, as you are just countering my arguments with blatant lies. Can you really get any lower? I, by any means, hate arguing with someone by criticizing his grammar. But you simply provide no counter-arguments other than a bunch of straw-mans, hyperboles and whining in general.
Originally by: Musical Fist
Guess you could always use the "make love not war" argument instead that normally gets a few laughs, oh and I underlined the part which will make you emotional, I mean WTF dude not one, not two but three exclamation marks then followed by nerf without a space and you never even capitalised n OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT!!WERE!!YOU!!THINKING!
That post is no different to a 2 month old baby throwing up a tantrum. Let me help you along a bit. My argument was based on your false sense of 'risk vs reward balance' where that balance has never existed in EvE in the first place,it is not based on 'love is better than war', yet another straw-man.
By the way, I find it funny that you think the 'CCP!!!' part means I'm emotional, do you actually want me to criticize your reading comprehension on top of your apparent lack of maturity?
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Musical Fist on 03/09/2010 00:01:28
Originally by: Captain Yifan
By the way, I find it funny that you think the 'CCP!!!' part means I'm emotional, do you actually want me to criticize your reading comprehension on top of your apparent lack of maturity?
Ai ai captain by all means lets derail this, I guess when you dont have anything decent to say you immediately have to criticise stuff irrelevant to the game.
It looks like I hit a nerve, but if you want you can send me a mail explaining about how my posts are ruining your life, or perhaps this thread is exactly what you think of your coalition and the truth is so unbearable you focus more on spelling and grammar than the actual topic.
Its like calling an obese person fat, it isnt really surprising they get all defensive and start freaking out over other things 
Edit- I goto bed in an hour so lets rap this up
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:01:00 -
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Dear Op.
Diplomacy has its own risks and rewards. Your very un-diplomatic approach to this particular topic clearly illustrates this. You have attempted to engage in diplomacy with a zero risk/reward approach and it has failed.
There are massive risks/rewards for alliances/corporations that engage in diplomacy. The only gripe you have that I can see being substantive is the simple fact that these risks/rewards are mainly held out of the game.
How is CCP supposed to police our out of game behaviour?
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:08:00 -
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ITT: NC pets claim lag is the sole reason for their pansie defense league.
BFF!
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Musical Fist on 03/09/2010 00:24:15
Originally by: Jita Alt666
Dear Op.
Diplomacy has its own risks and rewards. Your very un-diplomatic approach to this particular topic clearly illustrates this. You have attempted to engage in diplomacy with a zero risk/reward approach and it has failed.
There are massive risks/rewards for alliances/corporations that engage in diplomacy. The only gripe you have that I can see being substantive is the simple fact that these risks/rewards are mainly held out of the game.
How is CCP supposed to police our out of game behaviour?
If an alliance today was to NAP another alliance who is 0.0 one of more of the following would happen.
A. They become a pet
B. They become a meat shield
C. They become a renter
D. They become a roaming alliance
E. They become an ally
The alliance they are NAPing will accept the NAP for the following reasons
A. Meat shield
B. Extra ISK
Explain how exactly theres any risk in NAPing? Sure if you NAPed NC some alliance in the south might mark you red but thats hardly a risk considering you have 50k people waiting to outnumber everything that flies by.
A few months ago I mentioned, if any major alliance either in the North, South or East were to crumble the coalition they are from by default would in effect would be dead due to huge number difference.
This is normally a common thing on the map anyway and the ONLY way alliance EVER deal with it is to match the other numbers. Atlas in this case is the dead alliance which most likely will have its corps join other southern empires.
Smaller alliances will remain small, renters, meat shields still and major alliances will NAP and grow at tumorous rates.
So what do we see in a war (not that those happen anymore), node crashes and blobs all because NAPs can freely be created WITHOUT any risk.
In short, smaller alliance will remain as a pet / renter / meat shield and larger alliance will try everything they can to crash nodes.
Not that anyone will have gotten this far in my post (thanks ADHD) imagine all the alliances in the game NAPed, because thats exactly what it is getting close to being. Alliances focus more on NAPing and comparing spoon sizes that they are unaware they are the source of lag. Which is why the first thing you see happening when lag is fixed is everyone try to bring back lag by cramming everything in one system.
TLDR - NAPs created lag and small alliances have no future in 0.0 thanks to NAPs. Oh and in case you missed it theres two points I bring up about NAPs not one :P
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:29:00 -
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OP, the problems are not NAPs them selfes , but game mechanics tat makes it the only viable option.
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Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
Ai ai captain by all means lets derail this, I guess when you dont have anything decent to say you immediately have to criticise stuff irrelevant to the game.
I have said this twice before, I have posted my arguments, and I was met with a reply that is a threadful of $insert_grammatical_mistake_here. so, the only natural thing I can do is to argue that your post is full of $insert_grammatical_mistake_here. Look, I believe I have already posted about it and I hate repeating myself to someone who clearly dont bother to read and understand before reply.
Originally by: Musical Fist
It looks like I hit a nerve, but if you want you can send me a mail explaining about how my posts are ruining your life, or perhaps this thread is exactly what you think of your coalition and the truth is so unbearable you focus more on spelling and grammar than the actual topic.
First of all, you sir, have big trouble distinguish between fact and opinion, and secondly, you must understand that using assertion does not add any weight to your argument, and finally, let me paraphrase what has been happening:
I: 'risk vs reward' is player-driven
You: 'make love not war' is rubbish, so your argument is rubbish
I: 'my argument is not make love not warcraft, it is actually.....'
You: your argument is rubbish, I say that in Musical Fistish
I: Your post has so many grammatical mistake that it doesnt even make sense
You: you said CCP!!! you are upset! you are emoraging!
I: But how does that makes me emoraging?
You: I hit a nerve, I am unable to counter your argument but what I say are facts, I am Musical Fist, the god that created EvE online, what I say must be true, it is like fat man are fat. I win!
I: But how did you win?
You: I win, what I said are facts! I win! Now admit you lost by sending me a in-game mail.
Makes sense to anyone? No? Me either.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Yifan
Makes sense to anyone? No? Me either.
Correct, you haven't made sense at all. Fist, on the other hand, has laid out a valid argument.
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Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Yifan on 03/09/2010 00:41:21
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Originally by: Captain Yifan
Makes sense to anyone? No? Me either.
Correct, you haven't made sense at all. Fist, on the other hand, has laid out a valid argument.
enlighten me, please, fist alt, at the very least, have some gut to post with your main.
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Jypsie
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:45:00 -
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So what's the point of this thread again.
NC got big. SC and NC fought. SC lost. NC have secured their empire making it safe for their members...OP whines about it?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:51:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Jypsie
So what's the point of this thread again.
NC got big. SC and NC fought. SC lost. NC have secured their empire making it safe for their members...OP whines about it?
Apparently he want's everyone to drop the naps and get back to fighting instead of holding hands and farming sanctums. Guess he missed the note about fleet fights and all. Besides, can the NC vs SC lulz really be called a 'war'?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.03 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
OP, the problems are not NAPs them selfes , but game mechanics tat makes it the only viable option.
I can work with that :)
I know I havent mentioned this in a while but I actually like diplomacy, I prefer there to be more options and more involvement, not just one click powerbloc.
CCP working on fixing lag imo is a waste of time, sure once its fixed there will be a few wars but it will be the same thing like if was a few years ago and before you know it lag whines will return.
But yeh it is something CCP should look into for the obvious reasons
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.03 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jypsie
So what's the point of this thread again.
NC got big. SC and NC fought. SC lost. NC have secured their empire making it safe for their members...OP whines about it?
Apparently he want's everyone to drop the naps and get back to fighting instead of holding hands and farming sanctums. Guess he missed the note about fleet fights and all. Besides, can the NC vs SC lulz really be called a 'war'?
This and newer independant wars in 0.0 and not just providence.
I like sov warfare, I like shooting caps, poses and stations, I like CTAs and being a pos gunner, I like watching a titan going pop and joining in the local spamfests while watching someones sovereignty drop.
Alot of this can only be expereinced in 0.0, but does any of this happen anymore
I know im bitter and wont let this go but I signed up to eve for player conflicts not "hello kitty who is ratting in my spot online".
Now I could easily start my own alliance but whats the point no small alliance will ever have a future in 0.0 based on the current mechanics
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.03 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jypsie
So what's the point of this thread again.
NC got big. SC and NC fought. SC lost. NC have secured their empire making it safe for their members...OP whines about it?
Apparently he want's everyone to drop the naps and get back to fighting instead of holding hands and farming sanctums. Guess he missed the note about fleet fights and all. Besides, can the NC vs SC lulz really be called a 'war'?
This and newer independant wars in 0.0 and not just providence.
I like sov warfare, I like shooting caps, poses and stations, I like CTAs and being a pos gunner, I like watching a titan going pop and joining in the local spamfests while watching someones sovereignty drop.
Alot of this can only be expereinced in 0.0, but does any of this happen anymore
I know im bitter and wont let this go but I signed up to eve for player conflicts not "hello kitty who is ratting in my spot online".
Now I could easily start my own alliance but whats the point no small alliance will ever have a future in 0.0 based on the current mechanics
Well I would imagine thats what everyone wants mate. But they can't do it or the node dies. So why don't you drop the NAP Coalition and start up the Mass Testing Coalition? I daresay that will get you the results you are after far quicker.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.09.03 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Musical Fist on 03/09/2010 01:12:18
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jypsie
So what's the point of this thread again.
NC got big. SC and NC fought. SC lost. NC have secured their empire making it safe for their members...OP whines about it?
Apparently he want's everyone to drop the naps and get back to fighting instead of holding hands and farming sanctums. Guess he missed the note about fleet fights and all. Besides, can the NC vs SC lulz really be called a 'war'?
This and newer independant wars in 0.0 and not just providence.
I like sov warfare, I like shooting caps, poses and stations, I like CTAs and being a pos gunner, I like watching a titan going pop and joining in the local spamfests while watching someones sovereignty drop.
Alot of this can only be expereinced in 0.0, but does any of this happen anymore
I know im bitter and wont let this go but I signed up to eve for player conflicts not "hello kitty who is ratting in my spot online".
Now I could easily start my own alliance but whats the point no small alliance will ever have a future in 0.0 based on the current mechanics
Well I would imagine thats what everyone wants mate. But they can't do it or the node dies. So why don't you drop the NAP Coalition and start up the Mass Testing Coalition? I daresay that will get you the results you are after far quicker.
Yeah I attend all of them, mainly to test out fits and stuff but I do show up for them on my main ;) I just dont see lag being fixed forever with the current mechanics ;)
Edit- Or rather I did attend all of them before I went on vacation, only just returned recently, missed todays
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.03 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
Yeah I attend all of them, mainly to test out fits and stuff but I do show up for them on my main ;) I just dont see lag being fixed forever with the current mechanics ;)
They don't have to fix it forever. Just until you get to the point you can't realistically bring any more ships so maybe in the 6~8k range for a max effort bash when there is a total once side vs other side bash or around 2~4k for a normal fight. Hell it was a struggle even when you could field a fleet in the thousands to actually see a massive fight as most were much lower in count as timezones and pilot availability will take care of that as you simply can't bring more than you physically have logged on. And as far as tweaking the game mechanics to cut down on blobbing well there has to be a stable laggish free enviroment to actually test the sov 2.0 mechanics to see what needs changing. So first things first and lag has to be squashed first to do anything else of note.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.09.03 02:04:00 -
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meh...more naps means less fights which means more 0.0 carebearing which means contracts flooded with cheaper officer and faction gear. Win win for everyone.
SOV mechanics mixed with lag making this possible, naps are just a symptom of it. Can't beat em even if you wanted to...may as join em and rat/plex since other option is lv 4 mission running in empire or wh's lol. Its a nice synergy of pita really. Got pos', tcu's, sbu's to blow up or defend now. And these aren't ninjya in with 10 sb's and black ops BS jobs so you have lag inducing fleets raised by an attacker and defender.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.03 04:16:00 -
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does anyone even read or care what this jackoff even has to say? 
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: something MF made up
lvl 4s dont need a nerf because everyone plays their own style, this is our sandbox we play how we like. It isnt rule breaking mission running to make ISK and you shouldnt cry to CCP to change it as it is fine, there is risk involved someone could lose his golem sometime
Guess what theres a reason things got changed and evading combat due to mass NAPing outnumbering everything freely, using strategies that include node crashing by piling in everyone and their alt isnt exactly what someone would consider working as intended.
By all means feel free to use the endless NC arguments on ANY change thats mean implemented, they can all be said freely to them but theres a reason things get changed and all I am asking is a risk involved in mass NAPing and sadly all I get is threatened NC grunts repeating the same crap they once said in the titan changes thread many many times.
MF, do you even realize the difference in your example here? Level 4 missions are an in game mechanic, like the speed of an afterburner or the tank on a pod. In game stats are subject to tweaking by CCP as that is where the stats come from.
Nonagression pacts are not in any way shape or form a game mechanic controlled by CCP. You have exactly one legitimate beef, node crash for win should be a game exploit. Sadly it can't be considered one. Too difficult to police and CCP's fault of unentended game flaw, i.e. LAG.
What you are proposing is some sort of artificial mechanic designed to limit player interaction. Guess what, CCP is not a big fan of that. Less freedom = bad.
If you want to solve the problem do what others suggested, get some friends and friends of friends and get them to the mass testing events so CCP can sort the LAG issue.
Asking for some sort of "NAP Fix" is beyond stupid.
Finally,
Hell yes there is RISK in a NAP. Do you have any idea how much fun you can have at someone's expense when they think you are their friend?
-Galan
p.s. sorry for necroing this but I've been traveling, yay internets
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