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Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:42:00 - [1] You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo -- Recruitment now open!!
zombu2 Caldari R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:44:00 - [2] Lemme be the first to say eh Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Pudgy McFudge Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:44:00 - [3] Thread locked for trolling. -Zymurgist.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:47:00 - [4] Originally by: zombu2 Lemme be the first to say eh Sorry renters but NC has a fatter arse than you Coming soon EvE Online II, who will NAP the most because what else really matters in nullsec. -- Recruitment now open!!
zombu2 Caldari R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:49:00 - [5] Edited by: zombu2 on 02/09/2010 14:49:25 Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: zombu2 Lemme be the first to say eh Sorry renters but NC has a fatter arse than you Coming soon EvE Online II, who will NAP the most because what else really matters in nullsec. There we see what a moron you are now GTFO Oh Can someone lock this crap??? Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
McKinlay Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:50:00 - [6] i don't think this new strategy of trying to drown them in tears is going to work
Tiger's Spirit Caldari 24th Imperial Guard	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Pudgy McFudge Thread locked for trolling. -Zymurgist. With yellow :D Thread locked for trolling. -Zymurgist.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:52:00 - [8] Originally by: McKinlay i don't think this new strategy of trying to drown them in tears is going to work Well it worked for you guys against Atlas -- Recruitment now open!!
Elendar Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:53:00 - [9] Originally by: McKinlay i don't think this new strategy of trying to drown them in tears is going to work Sir i will have you know this is a tried and tested strategy used by Triumvirates throughout the ages Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:54:00 - [10] This is a genuine congratulations thread to the only coalition in 0.0, sorry if people are getting offended that wasnt my aim at all -- Recruitment now open!!

Venetian Tar Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:54:00 - [11] What is this is don't even
SetrakDark Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:56:00 - [12] Thank you!
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:58:00 - [13] I actually don't think it's a bad thread, but it could really be enhanced by a banner graphic in the OP, or perhaps the use of coloured text. Twitter:@genrlwindypops
zombu2 Caldari R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:03:00 - [14] It really looks like one of those craigslist ads under man looking for man Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:06:00 - [15] Originally by: zombu2 It really looks like one of those craigslist ads under man looking for man Don't be mean, I quite like the OP. He's got spunk. Twitter:@genrlwindypops
Lareon Denery Gallente Band of Cateteris Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:07:00 - [16] Always trolling NC because he hate us, and then crying because nobody cares about him. It's a bad OP, imho.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Lareon Denery Always trolling NC because he hate us, and then crying because nobody cares about him. It's a bad OP, imho. This isnt a hate thread, im just congratulating the Adams Family in winning, its like when I congratulate a teenage mother on having her 5th kid. Dont blame me becuase you dont know where to draw the line -- Recruitment now open!!
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:49:00 - [18] You could always make your own alliance and fight us for the north
Chelou Gallente Razboinici Luminii	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:54:00 - [19] even this is a troll , if u think about it NC still have 1 - 0 against SC ______________
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:55:00 - [20] Edited by: Czeris on 02/09/2010 15:55:23 Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu You could always make your own alliance and fight us for the north No, he can't. Everyone hates him. Seriously.

Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu You could always make your own alliance and fight us for the north Lag does all the fighting for me -- Recruitment now open!!
Spectre80 Caldari The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo to the op with love and kisses from NC: HUGGZ
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Tiger's Spirit Originally by: Pudgy McFudge Thread locked for trolling. -Zymurgist. With yellow :D Thread locked for trolling. -Zymurgist. Impersonating moderation staff is not allowed. -SFX Bladerunner. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:51:00 - [24] lol u mad
Sephiroth CloneIIV Gallente Section 8 Industries	Posted - 2010.09.02 16:55:00 - [25] What about Russian swarm? IT? are they both low on numbers and pets? Blues? Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist
Razzor Death Gallente Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:22:00 - [26] why do people reply to this *got, now you made me reply to this got to tell you you're *gots. feels bad man. -------------------------------------------------- I'm posting in your thread and I didn't even read the OP v0v*
Aurora Robotnik Caldari United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:31:00 - [27] What happened? Did someone fail to be any good at Eve via a method other than blobbing? bff NC, bff Do it... IN A KESTREL.
Noir Avlaa Amarr Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:33:00 - [28] NOW POSTING IN WIDOT NC BFF THREAD.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:46:00 - [29] September 1st marks a glorious day for the blue coalition, we shall remember this day as happy NAP day where people are still complaining about other corps in their systems and afk cloakers; the No Combat rule has made the NAP Cancer a welcoming place to all who wish to mine and pve. I will now do everything in my power to have CCP rename northern 0.0 to No Combat Highsec. -- Recruitment now open!!
DurrHurrDurr Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Musical Fist September 1st marks a glorious day for the blue coalition, we shall remember this day as happy NAP day where people are still complaining about other corps in their systems and afk cloakers; the No Combat rule has made the NAP Cancer a welcoming place to all who wish to mine and pve. I will now do everything in my power to have CCP rename northern 0.0 to No Combat Highsec. You're trying too hard.

EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.02 17:49:00 - [31] Whats that? Numbers decide all conflicts? Quick! Someone inform Atlas! They have hope yet.
Arrador Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 Thanks, Share a glass of celebratory scotch?
Ichera Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.02 19:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo U mad bro?
r3voo Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.02 22:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo Uhm thx ? But rly? You the new flamer in town? Now please get a life OK ?
Imigo Montoya Gallente Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Ichera Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo U mad bro? He's MAD - and not the normal quick raging fire mad that burns out in a hurry (when somebody comes with 8 LO), but long term persistent mad that eats the soul.
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:53:00 - [36] Edited by: Ganthritor on 03/09/2010 03:53:45 Originally by: Musical Fist Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Can you elaborate? Who are you speaking of? I don't know what "skilled" coalitions you are talking of, really. Except you're calling socially inapt "skilled" these days.
Gavin Neltharek Caldari Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.09.03 03:56:00 - [37] Quality post. would read again. PS: The post is about pancakes correct? <----------------------------------> Carebears aren't people, they're giant flying piniatas.
capn gump Caldari ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.09.03 04:15:00 - [38] posting in a posting thread
RifterDrifter Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.09.03 04:16:00 - [39] poasting in a alt-thread. _______________________________________________
Gistatis Tribunus Minmatar The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.09.03 06:58:00 - [40] posting to kill thread and inflict irony --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz

FOEHAMMER006 Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:10:00 - [41] You bring 10 friends, and I'll bring 10 friends. Sound fair? -------------------------------- g0t w33d?
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:43:00 - [42] Give the guy a chance. How about two friends? One friend? An imaginary friend? His left hand?
Gicer Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.03 08:51:00 - [43] After reading the OP, I read on hoping that WIDOT would steal the thread. Left satisfied.
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 09:13:00 - [44] Is this the thread about trains?
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.03 09:15:00 - [45] He speaks the TRUTH!!! Even teh best alliance in the GAME (I.T) could not breach its bulborous man handles. Lets get a petition started now!!! We want change......in the north!!! Acting DICE CEO "Smith"
Clearion Caldari SPORADIC MOVEMENT The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.03 09:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Czeris Is this the thread about trains? Its about train-wrecks(post quality) --------- Remember remember, the fifth of November.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.03 10:05:00 - [47] Bitterness ITT.
g0ldfinger07 Amarr Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 10:21:00 - [48] this op's tears are more delicious than a bag of Halloween candy i stole from a fat german kid when i was 12. Feed me seymour.
Geanos Gallente Phoenix Tribe Art of Defiance	Posted - 2010.09.03 10:52:00 - [49] What's wrong with our Serenity duplicate?
Susan Fiona Caldari Independent Coalition OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:15:00 - [50] Edited by: Susan Fiona on 03/09/2010 15:15:52 Thanks, your opinion is appreciated, queens of 0.0, sounds great :)

Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:43:00 - [51] Originally by: g0ldfinger07 this op's tears are more delicious than a bag of Halloween candy i stole from a fat german kid when i was 12. Was it Imperian ?
Venetian Tar Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:48:00 - [52] Originally by: g0ldfinger07 this op's tears are more delicious than a bag of Halloween candy i stole from a fat german kid when i was 12. Feed me seymour. Fyp.
Messoroz Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.03 15:51:00 - [53] tl;dr: someone complaining that people can actually be BFFs and not want to shoot each other for they resolve everything diplomatically while other alliances have to be fought.
HomeGrownBudZ Gallente modro R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:27:00 - [54] Confirming that all NC high end moons are fueled from OP's tears. QQ MOAR BFF <3 amidoinitrite? [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=HomeGrownBudZ][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,HomeGrownBudZ/tpl,minmatar/signature.png[/im
Wang LeeMei Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.03 16:39:00 - [55] u mad ? can i haz... ahh screw it imma just ... BFF <3 fly safe
ImmaSplodeYou Amarr Hounds of Cullan Cerberus.	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:10:00 - [56] Confirming the answer to one of the questions above is YES, THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT TRAINS I once took a ride on a Train to London and it took 5 hours to get there, because we were delayed due fog in a tunnel. Yes, Fog in a dark place CHOO CHOO PS :Bitterness detected in OP. Theory is he was ganked as a noob by an NC SuCar blob
larietta Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:13:00 - [57] pancake mix 110g/4oz plain flour, sifted pinch of salt 2 eggsnull 200ml/7fl oz milk mixed with 75ml/3fl oz water 50g/2oz butter Preparation method Sift the flour and salt into a large mixing bowl with a sieve held high above the bowl so the flour gets an airing. Now make a well in the centre of the flour and break the eggs into it. Then begin whisking the eggs - any sort of whisk or even a fork will do - incorporating any bits of flour from around the edge of the bowl as you do so. Next gradually add small quantities of the milk and water mixture, still whisking (don't worry about any lumps as they will eventually disappear as you whisk). When all the liquid has been added, use a rubber spatula to sc**** any elusive bits of flour from around the edge into the centre, then whisk once more until the batter is smooth, with the consistency of thin cream. Now melt the 50g/2oz of butter in a pan. Spoon 2 tbsp of it into the batter and whisk it in, then pour the rest into a bowl and use it to lubricate the pan, using a wodge of kitchen paper to smear it round before you make each pancake. Now get the pan really hot, then turn the heat down to medium and, to start with, do a test pancake to see if you're using the correct amount of batter. I find 2 tbsp is about right for an 18cm/7in pan. It's also helpful if you spoon the batter into a ladle so it can be poured into the hot pan in one go. As soon as the batter hits the hot pan, tip it around from side to side to get the base evenly coated with batter. It should take only half a minute or so to cook; you can lift the edge with a palette knife to see if it's tinged gold as it should be. Flip the pancake over with a pan slice or palette knife - the other side will need a few seconds only - then simply slide it out of the pan onto a plate. Stack the pancakes as you make them between sheets of greaseproof paper on a plate fitted over simmering water, to keep them warm while you make the rest. To serve, sprinkle each pancake with freshly squeezed lemon juice and caster sugar, fold in half, then in half again to form triangles, or else simply roll them up. Serve sprinkled with a little more sugar and lemon juice and extra sections of lemon.
Enik3 Caldari Phoenix Lair Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.03 17:17:00 - [58] Derp troll is derp.
Seraphin Foad Caldari Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 18:11:00 - [59] Woo, happy birthday NC. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1231833
Mynas Atoch Caldari Eternity INC. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.09.03 18:17:00 - [60] You missed the point, dear OP, missed it totally .. it flew past you and you didn't see it. Its all about the isk.. and isk is spelt Technetium. Myn island dweller

Saxon Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:10:00 - [61] Finaly i can say congratz to my self, and congrats to my other nc monkeys *U Got pod ?*
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Mynas Atoch So you are saying it is fine for a sb to just park itself at a ss? Isnt it against the EULA to be playing the game without actually being next to the computer, this is why we need a way to kill AFK cloakers You missed the point completely we are only AFK cloaking in your systems -- Recruitment now open!!
Venetian Tar Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:16:00 - [63] i farted, run for ****ing cover!
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.04 03:37:00 - [64] Originally by: McKinlay i don't think this new strategy of trying to drown them in tears is going to work After a 14 hour day, I fire up PC and read this thread. The lols caused by the above statement vindicates my decision. Thank you sir, please post again :)
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.04 03:41:00 - [65] The fact that this thread hasn't been gassed and the op banned is a true testament to CAOD. Worst forum moderation in the history of gaming. Makes for great ****posting though.
NickSuccorso Minmatar Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2010.09.04 03:55:00 - [66] OP, why do you hate people that have friends? You can have friends to, if you just offer yourself to people. I'm sure people would love to be your buddy. I hope you think about what I said and take it to heart OK see ya :)
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.04 04:11:00 - [67] So what are the No Combaters upto today? The same thing we are upto everyday, trying to NAP the whole world. You can all be my friend too, as long as you repeat the crap I say and be my personal shield, because thats what friends are for -- Recruitment now open!!
Dianeces Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.09.04 04:44:00 - [68] Gas (sarin ought to do the trick) OP, ban thread.
Facepalm Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:55:00 - [69] Shouldn't we get a trophy or sumfin?
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.04 06:59:00 - [70] Musical Fist's adoring posts are a trophy of sorts.

David Goodwill Caldari DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.04 07:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo Aneu?
devilsspawn Minmatar Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.04 08:48:00 - [72] Quick question, do you know how many alliances are on our NAP list? I am just curious how many people you think are on there..
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.04 09:02:00 - [73] Originally by: devilsspawn Quick question, do you know how many alliances are on our NAP list? I am just curious how many people you think are on there.. You can't fight him with logic. Perhaps years of costly therapy might help him with the mad. Perhaps not.
Mark LT Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.04 10:25:00 - [74] Fist just needs a big gay man hug. Will somebody provide this, also having big floppy man **** for him to sob into would be a huge plus. Also, trains? This thread cant be about trains. Its got to be about TANKS! Now get out there and spread the love with your 85mm and 107mm cannons.
Kratos 00 Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.04 16:23:00 - [75] Thank you. Wheres our present?
Partsking Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign	Posted - 2010.09.04 16:34:00 - [76] Originally by: g0ldfinger07 this op's tears are more delicious than a bag of Halloween candy i stole from a fat german kid when i was 12. Feed me seymour. Thread is won. Little Shop Of Horror references. NC bff haters find another thread to poast in.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:50:00 - [77] Cry some moar! ------
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.09.04 20:19:00 - [78] In layman's terms you have broken the "predator / prey relationship game" by being insulated by current game limitations ( not mechanics ) and being full of sheep that have no plans to be their own Shepard's ever . Op. Your posts are excruciatingly tedious but your point is valid.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.04 20:24:00 - [79] Originally by: Spurty In layman's terms you have broken the "predator / prey relationship game" by being insulated by current game limitations ( not mechanics ) and being full of sheep that have no plans to be their own Shepard's ever . Op. Your posts are excruciatingly tedious but your point is valid. You're just jealous, why else would your alliance pretend to be us. ------
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.04 22:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Guilliman R Originally by: Spurty In layman's terms you have broken the "predator / prey relationship game" by being insulated by current game limitations ( not mechanics ) and being full of sheep that have no plans to be their own Shepard's ever . Op. Your posts are excruciatingly tedious but your point is valid. You're just jealous, why else would your alliance pretend to be us. They could always do what the infamous Majesta Empire did and forget to pay their sov bill, hmm which other alliances have been so badly managed that they have forgot to pay a simple bill and which coalition are they ALL part off. Fact is and fact will always remain, NC won 0.0 because and only because 50% of eve are blued to them of which 80% are in 0.0 I guess in a way I dont blame the RMT powerhouse to have everyone NAPed So lets not dwell on that anymore, I would like to know the following. What are NCs future plans in high sec aka northern 0.0? Has the rumoured diplomacy changes in December affected your ratting? Is it true Vuk Lau and his band of puppets are going to focus on making it impossible to AFK cloak in their ratting systems anymore? -- Recruitment now open!!

HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:33:00 - [81] This thread.
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Musical Fist Fact is and fact will always remain, NC won 0.0 because and only because 50% of eve are blued to them of which 80% are in 0.0 Actually they fought a bigger blob. Originally by: Musical Fist I guess in a way I dont blame the RMT powerhouse to have everyone NAP. You should grow a set of ******* and post with your main. Originally by:** Musical Fist So lets not dwell on that anymore Dwelling, being bitter, and crying these forums are all you do. Originally by: Musical Fist Is it true Vuk Lau and his band of puppets are going to focus on making it impossible to AFK cloak in their ratting systems anymore?[/i] How have you possibly not been banned? These moderators are ****.
Salria Usenheart Caldari Nemesis Nation	Posted - 2010.09.05 00:47:00 - [83] If only we were blue to everyone, you see i have this pet bull, keeps breaking my monitor charging at it when he seems reds on overview...
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.05 10:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Salria Usenheart If only we were blue to everyone, you see i have this pet bull, keeps breaking my monitor charging at it when he seems reds on overview... Funfact: Bulls, like any kind of cattle, are red-colourblind. It's not the colour but the rapid movement of the muleta enraging the bulls in a bullfight.
Dr Cheeto Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.05 17:17:00 - [85] Is this so bad?
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.05 17:44:00 - [86] Gank beats tank. We learned from the best (concord) Welcome to EvE Online. Can I has your stuff?
ImmaSplodeYou Amarr Hounds of Cullan Cerberus.	Posted - 2010.09.05 18:01:00 - [87] Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 05/09/2010 18:04:57 Originally by: Ganthritor Originally by: Salria Usenheart If only we were blue to everyone, you see i have this pet bull, keeps breaking my monitor charging at it when he seems reds on overview... Funfact: Bulls, like any kind of cattle, are red-colourblind. It's not the colour but the rapid movement of the muleta enraging the bulls in a bullfight. This is the most I have learnt from CAOD, ever Forget the NC, Ganthritor wins EVE for destroying this thread Also confirming OP is Minigin's alt, who else could be so bitter? This thread is now about Starcraft II
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.06 06:32:00 - [88] Ok my razor alt finally got a hulk, I know it took a while, now im thinking hull repairer for mid slot, I have seen that on alot of nc hulk fleet fits so im thinking its the best thing to have. Heres the problem though I know the standard fleet fit for hulks in NC is to have a 2 damage control units and a cloaking device but would I be allowed on these 'mining raids' as you like to call it if I used highs for strip miners only? I have decided to accept the fact that my life in 0.0 will be about listening to bad jokes and how afk cloaking is ruining everyones life, so I have decided to continue in high sec aka northern 0.0 where by default I am best friends with 100k other players because Vuk says so. -- Recruitment now open!!
Ivan Zhuk Gallente 1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.09.06 07:04:00 - [89] Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.06 07:29:00 - [90] Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou This is the most I have learnt from CAOD, ever Forget the NC, Ganthritor wins EVE for destroying this thread Also confirming OP is Minigin's alt, who else could be so bitter? This thread is now about Starcraft II oh please, because you repeat things time and time again does not add any truth to them, regardless of what orwell would have you believe. the best way to state/troll at least imo is to provide a real (or at least seemingly real) argument. the only thing i find remotely interesting about this thread is that no one denies how terrible the nc or this game are/is. at the end of the day the blame really lies with ccp i feel because you cant really complain that stupid people are stupid. people say that this game is what you make it, and i dont really see the fun in playing in a 10k man coalition pretending i wield power over my thousands of adoring fans/minions. but i have no trouble understanding why people do enjoy this. what gets me is why people enjoy being used by these people. perhaps they dont realise its happening? or maybe they just dont care (anything to be on the winning side) you all seem to complain about the lag and allegedly find fun in pvp. but what you really find fun in is winning, which wouldnt be a problem if you wernt all so bad/stupid, but winning when you are as terrible as pretty much everyone still playing this game is, comes from blobbing to the point that you break the server. so i ask once again (having not really changed my argument in the last few years), if not for the delusion of self importance/enjoyment of paying through frozen screens, why are you all still playing? now undoubtedly you will think of some vague reasons like "i enjoy playing with the people i play with" but in actual fact you dont even know a tenth of them, and those you do you probably only know because you started playing this broken game. at the end of the day only you can know if you are having fun playing this broken game with a pretty bad player base (such is the misfortune of the interwebz) but coming to me and providing a lie for the purpose of winning this argument will not really change my opinion, or yours. and similarly to repeating a lie over and over again this will not reflect "authenticity" =(. and no offence, but when you are attempting to call someone out on being bitter, it always helps if you arnt so blatantly bitter yourself. because what i assume should have been you discrediting the op by saying he has bitter has pretty much just turned into you airing your own bitterness and what i believe to be frustration in me having a point in what ive said in the past and am restating now. now something else that has occurred to me, is that you and i are not alike. you get some sort of satisfaction from being able to run around on these forums and say "we won... we won... haha i picked the right camp" whereas someone like me likes to point out "you are all losers" oh man the epic punnage is pretty win. but like im saying, a likely reason for you to continue playing is that you have thrown in your lot with a camp and would like to be vindicated. but my ignorant friend. you have not picked the right camp. YOU SEE! IN MY TRAVELS! i have learnt many things, there are nice people on any side, and all sides are equally terrible. people like to claim certain sides stand for certain things, but in actual fact... they dont. you are all the same. and you are either pleased that you are as bad as each other, or you are ignorant of this fact. neither makes sense. if you cant do something well, at least do something fun. ps. i think this is one of my better walloftexts! gonna go keep playing sc now! . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D

Rick Rothsar Minmatar Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:57:00 - [91] posting in a centered text thread
Alleria Moonshine Amarr Snake Hive Technologies Valor Empire	Posted - 2010.09.06 14:36:00 - [92] The funniest thing about threads like this is that it's always the same thing: a group tells to themselves 'NC sucks, let's fight them', they get thorugly beaten and then come to the forums explaining why they lost, although NC sucks. I wonder, if the NC is suck a sucky entity, what does that make all the entities that lost to it?
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.06 14:50:00 - [93] Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou This is the most I have learnt from CAOD, ever Forget the NC, Ganthritor wins EVE for destroying this thread Also confirming OP is Minigin's alt, who else could be so bitter? This thread is now about Starcraft II Why, tank you. First the ebil Zerg-Overlord, now this thread... I was glad to provide that service. By the way, I think our goonfriend David Goodwill has a better lead here; then again Aneu Angellus never was known for being too scared to make a fool of himself with his main. Originally by: Minigin at the end of the day the blame really lies with ccp i feel because you cant really complain that stupid people are stupid. Pre-emptively telling people it's futile to complain about your stupidity, eh. I see what you did there. Originally by: Minigin winning this argument Exactly the way of thinking why nobody takes you seriously. **** man, winning arguments on the interwebs is important.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.06 15:34:00 - [94] Originally by: Ganthritor Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou This is the most I have learnt from CAOD, ever Forget the NC, Ganthritor wins EVE for destroying this thread Also confirming OP is Minigin's alt, who else could be so bitter? This thread is now about Starcraft II Why, tank you. First the ebil Zerg-Overlord, now this thread... I was glad to provide that service. By the way, I think our goonfriend David Goodwill has a better lead here; then again Aneu Angellus never was known for being too scared to make a fool of himself with his main. Originally by: Minigin at the end of the day the blame really lies with ccp i feel because you cant really complain that stupid people are stupid. Pre-emptively telling people it's futile to complain about your stupidity, eh. I see what you did there. Originally by: Minigin winning this argument Exactly the way of thinking why nobody takes you seriously. **** man, winning arguments on the interwebs is important. im going to highlight the irony for you. WINNING ARGUMENTS ISNT IMPORTANT ON THE INTERNET! THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DONT TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY! (i ask... which of us thinks this interwebbing is FO SERIOUS YO!) - of course had you not taken those words so out of context in the first place or perhaps just misunderstood them... you wouldnt have anything to say to begin with now again, i dont mean to take a shot at people for well... being stupid... but you really arnt doing very well at discrediting my opinion if that was your intention. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.06 15:51:00 - [95] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ganthritor Originally by: ImmaSplodeYou This is the most I have learnt from CAOD, ever Forget the NC, Ganthritor wins EVE for destroying this thread Also confirming OP is Minigin's alt, who else could be so bitter? This thread is now about Starcraft II Why, tank you. First the ebil Zerg-Overlord, now this thread... I was glad to provide that service. By the way, I think our goonfriend David Goodwill has a better lead here; then again Aneu Angellus never was known for being too scared to make a fool of himself with his main. Originally by: Minigin at the end of the day the blame really lies with ccp i feel because you cant really complain that stupid people are stupid. Pre-emptively telling people it's futile to complain about your stupidity, eh. I see what you did there. Originally by: Minigin winning this argument Exactly the way of thinking why nobody takes you seriously. **** man, winning arguments on the interwebs is important. im going to highlight the irony for you. WINNING ARGUMENTS ISNT IMPORTANT ON THE INTERNET! THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DONT TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY! (i ask... which of us thinks this interwebbing is FO SERIOUS YO!) - of course had you not taken those words so out of context in the first place or perhaps just misunderstood them... you wouldnt have anything to say to begin with now again, i dont mean to take a shot at people for well... being stupid... but you really arnt doing very well at discrediting my opinion if that was your intention. Glad I'm doing unable to discredit your opinion enough to make you post how I am not discrediting your opinion. Oh wai...
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.06 16:13:00 - [96] Originally by: Ganthritor Glad I'm doing unable to discredit your opinion enough to make you post how I am not discrediting your opinion. Oh wai... i wonder if you realise how desperate you sound? btw, another thing to note is that you use assumptions to support your claims. while im not against this in practise, it does tend to leave rather gaping holes in your theorys. for example, you have already made the mistake once of contradicting yourself and you do it again here. by claiming a responce to your post is enough to prove you are correct, you not only rule out any posting on any forums ever but you remarkably dont realise you rule out your own post -_-''' its a good thing im here to protect you from yourself otherwise your stupidity would stop you posting. oh wai.. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.06 16:55:00 - [97] Green! That's the colour of envy. Just throwing that out there...
Trauli Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.09.06 16:59:00 - [98] minigin just needs a hug
Gixxer 1000 Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.06 16:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Muul Udonii Green! That's the colour of envy. Just throwing that out there... I thought that its a color for the horny too?
Chris Bailey Amarr Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.09.06 20:24:00 - [100] Thank you babe <3

HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.06 20:38:00 - [101] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ganthritor Glad I'm doing unable to discredit your opinion enough to make you post how I am not discrediting your opinion. Oh wai... i wonder if you realise how desperate you sound? btw, another thing to note is that you use assumptions to support your claims. while im not against this in practise, it does tend to leave rather gaping holes in your theorys. for example, you have already made the mistake once of contradicting yourself and you do it again here. by claiming a responce to your post is enough to prove you are correct, you not only rule out any posting on any forums ever but you remarkably dont realise you rule out your own post -_-''' its a good thing im here to protect you from yourself otherwise your stupidity would stop you posting. oh wai.. * realize, practice, theories, response. This guy for real? Originally by:* Trauli minigin just needs a hug Confirming that.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.06 20:43:00 - [102] Minigin raises an excellent point tbh, in a game where pve and pvp have to exist (otherwise ccp would have removed one or the other) why exactly are NC bothering to play, I mean i can understand if it was a RL business. Fact is No Combaters have lost touch with reality to the point where they are convinced they are part of some real life war which would explain why they often compare NC vs SC to USA vs Iraq. It is obvious highsec aka northern 0.0 will continue to grow in meatshields / puppets even though they have won by default, kind of like when you are playing chess where one side has the king and the other side has the standard stuff plus a ** load of pawns, what would be the point in playing, doesnt matter how skilled the side is that has the king the guy with more puppets will win. Quantity doesnt always win against quality but we arent really talking about a small size difference, its more, like their say a Northern Cancer that is too fat to kill and too big to compete with. So what now NC? Surely you dont want to just continue as the RMT powerhouse of eve, eventually CCP will find the yearly NC exploit and shut it down much like the moon goo exploit, supercap resurrection and the node crashes. I guess you can just apply to CSM for the 5th time and have all your ***es vote for you while you wait for the next game to come out to infect -- Recruitment now open!!
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.06 20:47:00 - [103] Originally by: Musical Fist Minigin raises an excellent point tbh, Stopped reading right there. You are trying to hard you bitter, bitter little alt. I'm sure the NC are loving your tears. QQ more.
Proclus Diadochu Caldari Varion Galactic OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.06 22:46:00 - [104] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ganthritor Glad I'm doing unable to discredit your opinion enough to make you post how I am not discrediting your opinion. Oh wai... i wonder if you realise how desperate you sound? btw, another thing to note is that you use assumptions to support your claims. while im not against this in practise, it does tend to leave rather gaping holes in your theorys. for example, you have already made the mistake once of contradicting yourself and you do it again here. by claiming a responce to your post is enough to prove you are correct, you not only rule out any posting on any forums ever but you remarkably dont realise you rule out your own post -_-''' its a good thing im here to protect you from yourself otherwise your stupidity would stop you posting. oh wai.. Minigin, You come off as extraordinarily pretentious to a fault. You assume that everyone one of in the Northern Coalition is a mindless lemming. First, I would like to note that larger forces does not mean that there is an absence of skill, and that those playing are incapable of succeeding elsewhere. One of your positions is that you dislike how members of the Northern Coalition boast their achievements and you like to point out how they are "losers". This is disrespectful and easily could be misconstrued for haphazard arrogance. You should consider the perspective that these guys are playing a video game the way they feel is fun for them and you telling them they are dumb pawns to build your ego via forums is fun for you. You would be lying to state that this green-texted attempt at self important intellectual thought does not feed your self-worth. You are not the smartest person to play EvE Online and can't spell to save your life. (Someone hug him and point out that the message box has spell-check.) Regards, Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.07 00:15:00 - [105] Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Generic BFF bullcrap OWN Alliance next in line to be sharing the same fate as many other betrayed NC meatshields, im sure when the time comes you will continue to happily brown nose your masters like Vanguard, Defourant, Council, Iron and many many others did -- Recruitment now open!!
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.07 00:39:00 - [106] Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Generic BFF bullcrap OWN Alliance next in line to be sharing the same fate as many other betrayed NC meatshields, im sure when the time comes you will continue to happily brown nose your masters like Vanguard, Defourant, Council, Iron and many many others did QQ more.
Xochitl Teotl Minmatar Carthage Industries Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.07 02:18:00 - [107] Originally by: Musical Fist You won 0.0 Due to the mechanics of eve, NC by default now is the Queen of 0.0 purely because of and ONLY because of numbers, no other coalition compares to its tumorous size Apologies to all the skilled coalitions / alliances out there but skill isnt important, Estamel and numbers are. Because no one likes a fat queen no king of similar size has been chosen but if Elizabeth I could rule alone then I am sure the plexers of the north can too Once again congratulations on winning 0.0 PS. Another mining CTA gtfo As much as many of you have taken this to be a troll, there is quite a bit of truth to the statement above. The OP gets it wrong with laying the "blame" on game mechanics. The truth is that the NC, no matter how you feel about them, as a cohesive group is smarter than every other "coalition" in null sec. Over the last few years they've been able to maintain not only the heart of their space but also the heart of the founding alliances, all while systematically introducing budding alliances into the fold. Let's take for a moment that the OP was not trolling and being sincere as he/she is witness, as everyone else with two wits about them, to the systematic dissection of what was considered the Southern Coalition by every null sec entity except the NC. 6-7 months ago the Southern Coalition had momentum and started to actually build a force of alliances competent enough to stand against the NC. Now it lay in ruin as nothing but fractured alliances of which opportunistic alliances such as Pandemic Legion are brilliantly using to boost it's morale and fatten it's pocket. At the end of the day, it's a combination of keeping ego's in check, long-term planning, continuous adaptation, consistent leadership and understanding the need for growth in order to survive. If it was as easy as game mechanics, every coalition in null sec would be in the same position as the NC. tl:dr version: No matter how you feel about the NC, it is currently the strongest "coalition" in EvE. It's strength is due to the leadership's continuous organization of massive numbers, not game mechanics. Still coming for our people!
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.07 03:40:00 - [108] Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC thankfully i dont need to be one of the smartest people in eve to know that pretentiousness doesnt mean what you think it means. let me remind you that my stance on this game (and thus my stance on posting) is reliant on my own benefit, not what other people think. one reason for this is i just dont care what other people think, the other reason of course is when i do listen to other peoples opinions, such as your own, i find them illthought and vindictive. a hallmark of my arguments is that i dont like to assume things, now i dont blame you for not knowing this, but lets go through it again. why are the majority of people in the nc lemmings? reason 1. because most people irl are lemmings (you can say what you like but there have been ample tests to prove that) reason 2. they are incapable of thinking what they are actually doing, and that their attatchment to their coalition is well... a lie. reason 3. as for an assumption, you would be incorrect in stating i dont know what i am talking about. i spent about a year in the nc and after that had characters in several nc alliances (admittedly not to see what i was missing because i already knew - but that doesnt change what i saw no matter what you want) real pvpers and fcs are never safe in the nc. the reason is because they are a threat to the nc. anyone encouraging people to engage with smaller numbers (especially seeing how bad the nc general member is and im sorry but this really is something i would laugh if you disputed - just check the lossmails) is essentially increasing greatly the chance they will lose. and seeing the manner in which the nc gets pvp (another large coalition coming to destroy them) surely this would spell disaster to your spaceholding should you potentially lose. thus pvpers and fcs who call for resets with the giant napfest, or fc well but cant do what they need to with the poor memberbase, even though they probably do leave on their own accord, often get kicked. if you are in the nc, point out market gouging, ask for resets and go pvp in a small gang (you will probably have to go far far away from your home sys) i promiss you wont be in the nc for long. now as for your other poor assumptions, you believe me to be bitter against the nc. now i wont comment on the bitterness because i can not change your mind on that, but i will point out, my issue is as much with any coalition as with the nc. the last thing i want to point out, and perhaps the most entertaining to me, is that you started your post with the word pretentious and ended it with the following "Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC" now at first i thought this was just part of the joke, but i checked and its in your bio! do you see what i mean by nc beaurocracy now? you are everything i said you would be, and you didnt even bother masking it. and frankly your attacks on my spelling while im not really bothered much about them (its been almost 15 years since i started writing in english and i must be honest ive never taken to it) but while spelling mistakes i believe are excusable -regardless of what you say- what i find inexcusable is willful ignorance. which you have displayed in abundance and which your fellow nc members have lived in for years now. now i refuse to spellcheck this, because well... i do this because its fun for me and because i can. i will not turn this into some sort of assignment for your benefit, lord knows i have enough of those as it is. so i encourage you to continue with personal attacks and irrelevant comments about spelling because if not that, i dont see what else you have. if however you want to continue discussing your rank in the nc, i would be more than happy to oblige. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.07 04:05:00 - [109] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC thankfully i dont need to be one of the smartest people in eve to know that pretentiousness doesnt mean what you think it means. let me remind you that my stance on this game (and thus my stance on posting) is reliant on my own benefit, not what other people think. one reason for this is i just dont care what other people think, the other reason of course is when i do listen to other peoples opinions, such as your own, i find them illthought and vindictive. a hallmark of my arguments is that i dont like to assume things, now i dont blame you for not knowing this, but lets go through it again. why are the majority of people in the nc lemmings? reason 1. because most people irl are lemmings (you can say what you like but there have been ample tests to prove that) reason 2. they are incapable of thinking what they are actually doing, and that their attatchment to their coalition is well... a lie. reason 3. as for an assumption, you would be incorrect in stating i dont know what i am talking about. i spent about a year in the nc and after that had characters in several nc alliances (admittedly not to see what i was missing because i already knew - but that doesnt change what i saw no matter what you want) real pvpers and fcs are never safe in the nc. the reason is because they are a threat to the nc. anyone encouraging people to engage with smaller numbers (especially seeing how bad the nc general member is and im sorry but this really is something i would laugh if you disputed - just check the lossmails) is essentially increasing greatly the chance they will lose. and seeing the manner in which the nc gets pvp (another large coalition coming to destroy them) surely this would spell disaster to your spaceholding should you potentially lose. thus pvpers and fcs who call for resets with the giant napfest, or fc well but cant do what they need to with the poor memberbase, even though they probably do leave on their own accord, often get kicked. if you are in the nc, point out market gouging, ask for resets and go pvp in a small gang (you will probably have to go far far away from your home sys) i promiss you wont be in the nc for long. now as for your other poor assumptions, you believe me to be bitter against the nc. now i wont comment on the bitterness because i can not change your mind on that, but i will point out, my issue is as much with any coalition as with the nc. the last thing i want to point out, and perhaps the most entertaining to me, is that you started your post with the word pretentious and ended it with the following "Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC" now at first i thought this was just part of the joke, but i checked and its in your bio! do you see what i mean by nc beaurocracy now? you are everything i said you would be, and you didnt even bother masking it. and frankly your attacks on my spelling while im not really bothered much about them (its been almost 15 years since i started writing in english and i must be honest ive never taken to it) but while spelling mistakes i believe are excusable -regardless of what you say- what i find inexcusable is willful ignorance. which you have displayed in abundance and which your fellow nc members have lived in for years now. now i refuse to spellcheck this, because well... i do this because its fun for me and because i can. i will not turn this into some sort of assignment for your benefit, lord knows i have enough of those as it is. so i encourage you to continue with personal attacks and irrelevant comments about spelling because if not that, i dont see what else you have. if however you want to continue discussing your rank in the nc, i would be more than happy to oblige. Can someone TL DR this for me? Also never, ever breed.
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.07 08:37:00 - [110] Originally by: HarrietMiers Can someone TL DR this for me? "I don't like people with more friends than me cos I can't beat them" I think is the general gist. Although he actually spelled 'REALISE' correctly. English language, not Americanese.

Max Churchill Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 08:43:00 - [111] 7/10
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 11:01:00 - [112] No, Mini isn't bitter, he's just a classic intellectual bully. Low self-esteem causes him to attack others, in this case, based on intellect (though there's not really any other option over the Internet). Everyone else will always be stupider than Minigin, and thus inferior. Even though large numbers of people enjoy the play style of the NC, they are all wrong and stupid, because this is not the play style that Minigin enjoys. Feel a bit sorry for Mini though, because this kind of abuse usally results from having been belittled and abused in a similar fashion. I think he's cute.
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.07 11:19:00 - [113] Originally by: Xochitl Teotl As much as many of you have taken this to be a troll, there is quite a bit of truth to the statement above. The OP gets it wrong with laying the "blame" on game mechanics. The truth is that the NC, no matter how you feel about them, as a cohesive group is smarter than every other "coalition" in null sec. Over the last few years they've been able to maintain not only the heart of their space but also the heart of the founding alliances, all while systematically introducing budding alliances into the fold. Let's take for a moment that the OP was not trolling and being sincere as he/she is witness, as everyone else with two wits about them, to the systematic dissection of what was considered the Southern Coalition by every null sec entity except the NC. 6-7 months ago the Southern Coalition had momentum and started to actually build a force of alliances competent enough to stand against the NC. Now it lay in ruin as nothing but fractured alliances of which opportunistic alliances such as Pandemic Legion are brilliantly using to boost it's morale and fatten it's pocket. At the end of the day, it's a combination of keeping ego's in check, long-term planning, continuous adaptation, consistent leadership and understanding the need for growth in order to survive. If it was as easy as game mechanics, every coalition in null sec would be in the same position as the NC. tl:dr version: No matter how you feel about the NC, it is currently the strongest "coalition" in EvE. It's strength is due to the leadership's continuous organization of massive numbers, not game mechanics. Considering the most two vocal alliance members of yours, this post is astonishingly reasonable. +rep. Anyways, by all means, you cannot say they were competent enough when addressing how they actually weren't competent enough just in the next sentence. Competent, to a degree, competent enough obviously not.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.07 11:46:00 - [114] Originally by: Czeris Even though large numbers of people enjoy the play style of the NC, they are all wrong and stupid, because this is not the play style that Minigin enjoys. this is the only point you make in your entire post. the rest is all "bullying" as you so aptly stated. i dont know what that means for your childhood as it is you that profess this behaviour to only be true of one upbringing. and you are incorrect in this point(you may have known this had you actually taken in what i was saying) they are not wrong and stupid because they dont like my style, they are wrong and stupid because they profess time and time again not to enjoy their style or just have not sat down and considered what their style actually means for them. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
Trauli Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.09.07 12:40:00 - [115] seriously bro, i honestly worry for you and your complex. take a step back from the computer and go outside everything will be OK then.
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 13:13:00 - [116] Originally by: Minigin reason 1. because most people irl are lemmings (you can say what you like but there have been ample tests to prove that) Since this thread is a flame troll bait in the first place, I'm hardly obliged to be civil here, hence: Well, if you seriously believe this is a terrible game, then nobody is pointing a desert eagle at you and forcing you to play it everyday. Will you play soccer then complain that it is a **** game because you cant use your hand? Those who thinks everyone other than himself is a lemming is no different to a lemming himself (and, of course you can say what you like but there have been ample tests to prove that). There are only two lemmings here, one is the OP and the other one is of course a cynical cyber-bully who thinks posting in limegreen is smart and making a bunch of ad-hominems really constitute to anything other than being pretentious.
Czeris Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 15:27:00 - [117] Edited by: Czeris on 07/09/2010 15:35:36 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Czeris Even though large numbers of people enjoy the play style of the NC, they are all wrong and stupid, because this is not the play style that Minigin enjoys. this is the only point you make in your entire post. the rest is all "bullying" as you so aptly stated. i dont know what that means for your childhood as it is you that profess this behaviour to only be true of one upbringing. and you are incorrect in this point(you may have known this had you actually taken in what i was saying) they are not wrong and stupid because they dont like my style, they are wrong and stupid because they profess time and time again not to enjoy their style or just have not sat down and considered what their style actually means for them. The reason you are wrong in this case is because a) I don't do it to people that don't ask for it first, such as yourself. Standing up to a bully is not bullying. That is a logical fallacy. b) You beg to be psychoanalyzed and I genuinely think you could benefit from some professional therapy. c) I still think you're cute.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.07 15:55:00 - [118] Bitterness itt.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.07 17:56:00 - [119] you are right, all this is cyber bullying. all of what i have said is untrue. i call it like i see it, if you dont like that it doesnt mean i am wrong. it also doesnt mean i am jealous of you, or any of this other VERY PROFOUND PSYCHOANALYSIS that you all think you can do over internet forumz. if you believe what i am saying to be untrue, i urge you to engage in responces about the issues. the problem with all of this "psychoanalysis" (which believe me i dont believe you are capable of in the first place) - but giving you benefit of the doubt, the problem is!!!! that it a) is hard enough to do if you have an intimate knowledge of the person you are dealing with let alone a stranger sitting on the other side of the world. b) does not detract from their claims, EVEN SHOULD THEY BE A BITTER ANGRY MAN!!!!! if for instance my brother and i see one last twinkey on a table, and we lock eyes LUNGE for the tasty treat, and my brother gets their first. in my bitterness i may call him a fat ****. certainly this is a bitter and jealous responce, but it is not untrue. thus while i dont accept that i am bitter or jealous of you or the nc (for the simple fact i could all too easily be in the nc yet choose not to... FOR THE REASONS I KEEP STATING!) i dont understand why your "last line of defence" is to discredit me as an individual (who you could not possibly know). its not like i hold much e-respect on these forums to begin with, so this slander is probably not winning anyone over lol. all up, i am not terribly fussed because as i have stated, most people just wont get it. they wont understand why i do what i do, worse yet they dont understand why they do what they do. now you can call this bitterness or bullying or whatever you like. at the end of the day, i ask you, does it being any of the things you so want to palm it off as, change the authenticity of these claims. and you see now we are at an interesting fork, because should the answer be yes, you would have to explain why (and im not certain you can do that) if however the answer is no, then you resign yourself to being all the things you just accused me of being, and as it was your stated opinion you would be vulnerable to it either being true of you or being untrue of you, at either step you wind up... whats that word.... wrong. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
thelung187 Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.07 18:36:00 - [120] Originally by: Czeris Edited by: Czeris on 07/09/2010 15:35:36 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Czeris Even though large numbers of people enjoy the play style of the NC, they are all wrong and stupid, because this is not the play style that Minigin enjoys. this is the only point you make in your entire post. the rest is all "bullying" as you so aptly stated. i dont know what that means for your childhood as it is you that profess this behaviour to only be true of one upbringing. and you are incorrect in this point(you may have known this had you actually taken in what i was saying) they are not wrong and stupid because they dont like my style, they are wrong and stupid because they profess time and time again not to enjoy their style or just have not sat down and considered what their style actually means for them. The reason you are wrong in this case is because a) I don't do it to people that don't ask for it first, such as yourself. Standing up to a bully is not bullying. That is a logical fallacy. b) You beg to be psychoanalyzed and I genuinely think you could benefit from some professional therapy. c) I still think you're cute. I've got 8 lo if that'll make you feel better

Noir Avlaa Amarr Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 18:49:00 - [121] Lol - Lime green man is a hypocrite :D Apparently he doesn't care what people think, yet if that was true he wouldn't be constantly arguing with everyone who's realised he's just an arrogant troll. BTW - I'm NC, I like the play style, I have fun. I was also a pirate who used to go 60+ jumps away from my home system in lowsec on solo/small fleet roams. Go figure. You're a troll. Man up and accept it. Stop thinking "lemmings" are bad, without "lemmings" the world wouldn't work ;) (Also - Everyone is a lemming, even the most intellectual people, they just have more moments in their life where they break away for a minute :P ) <3 NC BFF
Trauli Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.09.07 18:57:00 - [122] Well you sir have no HONOUR selling out your pirate roots like that!
Noir Avlaa Amarr Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:00:00 - [123] There's honour in EVE? News to me 0.o
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:12:00 - [124] Originally by: Czeris The reason you are wrong is[..] What I find funny about this and almost every thread I have created and theres ALOT, NC puppets always defend with the generic overused counters which arenÆt even their own words and are always: 1. We are friends (BFF crap) 2. It is strategy 3. Yeh well gotta take advantage of every lame mechanic 3 is rare since most people are convinced they are friends everyone they are blue too, the ironic thing is NC started off the NAP train with "The south is heavily aligned, we need to form a pact that will defend us and outnumber them" then after MAX Mk I they were like "actually we better keep this pact or we're screwed" then after MAX Mk II went "we are all BFFs". Fact is NC puppets only repeat what their propaganda overlords say, NC isnt good at manipulating but since anyone can play this game it doesnt take a while to convince a 12 year old that everyone in 50 jumps is his best friend. Yet you get all these NC robots (literally) and their alt always arguing and (try to) counter these threads, if the statements and comments about NC werent so accurate you wouldnt need to ever try to counter them and yet here you all are blobing on forums much like you do in game. I guess NC isnt as stable as I thought, even words intimidate them, you can have your NAPs, rats and lies, spin things however way you want but I would suggest you go back to the weak meme's and overused widot trash because your current replies confirm everything I have been writing about you. TLDR: ADHD is bad, try reading everything a person types without getting distracted by shiny things -- Recruitment now open!!
Noir Avlaa Amarr Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:17:00 - [125] Originally by: Musical Fist the ironic thing is NC started off the NAP train with "The south is heavily aligned, we need to form a pact that will defend us and outnumber them" then after MAX Mk I they were like "actually we better keep this pact or we're screwed" then after MAX Mk II went "we are all BFFs". Kinda like how the USA was made right? And now each state is like BFFs, except Texas.
Razzor Death Gallente Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:18:00 - [126] I really don't understand why so many people give them attention. There posts are nearly as bad as mine and yet you all bite. This is why we can't have nice things. -------------------------------------------------- I'm posting in your thread and I didn't even read the OP v0v
Trauli Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:19:00 - [127] Its hard to read what someone types when their every post makes ones eyes bleed friend.
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:21:00 - [128] Edited by: Captain Yifan on 07/09/2010 19:21:16 Originally by: Minigin you are right, all this is cyber bullying. all of what i have said is untrue. i call it like i see it, if you dont like that it doesnt mean i am wrong. it also doesnt mean i am jealous of you, or any of this other VERY PROFOUND PSYCHOANALYSIS that you all think you can do over internet forumz. I'd like to paraphrase the bolded statement which put you into a very disadvantageous position in this discussion: "I have my opinion about the NC, and it must be right." I know I am not the person who made the 'Pychoanalysis' claim, however I would love to analyse your line of thoughts: You (and the OP) believes that NC does not have enough 'skillz' to own this much null-sec space, you feel aggrieved that we are winning through sheer numbers and sheer numbers alone(and of course, we are getting this sheer numbers through the use of napkins). Imho, it is very precise to say that you are bitter, bitter to a degree that you started throwing around the 'irl lemmings' argument which I took so much offence to. If you really want to comment on the irl of people in the NC in general, then I can tell you that I know plenty of people in NC who graduated from Yale,Havard,Oxford or Cambridge. I also know plenty of people in NC who are software engineers, computer programmers, rocket scientists and nuclear physicists. Yes, we are quite obviously all lemmings irl, then you sir, who the hell are you? Steve Jobs? Chuck Norris? Originally by: Minigin if you believe what i am saying to be untrue, i urge you to engage in responces about the issues. Sure, the biggest issue you preceive are obviously the fact that NC is winning through sheer numbers(and, it is 'not possible' for small-sized alliance to get a foothold in null). Yes, there is a grain of truth in your statement. But I am pondering why you are bitter about it. Of course, I can throw the old 'this is just a game' bullcrap at you but I know you wont be satisfied. There are many ways to win both irl and in EvE, there is the heroic battle of Trebia and there is also the 'overwelming a Tiger with 20 Shermans' way of winning. In EvE, sometimes you can only choose one between bargain rights and winning, and the choice is rather obvious. You may not like it and you dont have to, but overwhelming a foe with sheer numbers is always and will always be valid (and practical) tactic of ensuring victory. The second issue raised was about 'NAP' and its (lack of) risks. I believe this has been done to death already: EvE is about player choices and game mechanics. Its a player's choice whether he will shoot another player he came upon depend on the gains and risks he could get by shooting. the 'NAP' is basically a organised 'players not shooting eachother' agreement. If you believe such an agreement is without risks, please read up on 'prisoner's dilemma'. Another issue the OP has thrown up is the 'lack of' PvPs in null-sec. But how much PvP is 'enough' PvP? Last week I participated in a POS bash, a station shoot-up, couple of gate-campings and a solo roam that I ended up in my pod. I think I am having a good amount of PvP fun. All in all, EvE is a sandbox, CCP might intended for null-sec to have a bit more PvP but who in the world can decide what goes on in the sandbox?
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:30:00 - [129] first: to hell with the 4000 char limit and the 5 minute timer: Originally by: Minigin if for instance my brother and i see one last twinkey on a table, and we lock eyes LUNGE for the tasty treat, and my brother gets their first. in my bitterness i may call him a fat **. certainly this is a bitter and jealous responce, but it is not untrue. I'm obliged to point out to you (and the OP) that whether some entity in EvE or your brother is a 'fat ' is purely an objective opinion instead of a factual truth. To put it a simpler way, you think your brother is a fat , but I think your brother is not, does it kind of even ourselves out? To make it a simpler: 'Your brother is a fat ' is an opinion, 'Your brother is a fat is an objective truth' on the other hand, is objectively and factually false. You are very entitled to every single one of your very strong opinions, sir. But that dosent equate to them being necessarily true.In terms of authenticity, it is also an objective, factual and logical truth that your claim have zero authenticity, be it about your brother, or someone or something in EvE. Originally by:** Minigin thus while i dont accept that i am bitter or jealous of you or the nc (for the simple fact i could all too easily be in the nc yet choose not to... FOR THE REASONS I KEEP STATING!) i dont understand why your "last line of defence" is to discredit me as an individual (who you could not possibly know). its not like i hold much e-respect on these forums to begin with, so this slander is probably not winning anyone over lol. And have you ever wondered why you dont hold much e-respect on these forums? Look, calm yourself down, have a good nap(no pun intended), and eve-search your own post again and I'm sure you'll understand why. Although the ad-hominem fallacies thrown at you dont contain any real arguments, but you cant really say your behaviour dont warrent them.
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 19:46:00 - [130] to hell with the 5-minute timer, again Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Czeris The reason you are wrong is[..] What I find funny about this and almost every thread I have created and theres ALOT, NC puppets always defend with the generic overused counters which arenÆt even their own words and are always: 1. We are friends (BFF crap) 2. It is strategy 3. Yeh well gotta take advantage of every lame mechanic And I find it even funnier that every single time you post you start rabbling about some 'old counters' we are using. We are only using this old counters because you, sir, still fails to offer a counter to our 'old counter' other than whining about how lame you think it is. Originally by: Musical Fist Fact is NC puppets only repeat what their propaganda overlords say, NC isnt good at manipulating but since anyone can play this game it doesnt take a while to convince a 12 year old that everyone in 50 jumps is his best friend. Yet you get all these NC robots (literally) and their alt always arguing and (try to) counter these threads, if the statements and comments about NC werent so accurate you wouldnt need to ever try to counter them and yet here you all are blobing on forums much like you do in game. I cannot help but laugh at the above hilariously badly-reasoned and structured text. Yes, we are quite literally robots, we have brain-washing chips implanted to our brain. And also, rockets are overpowered, because every time I write 'rocket are overpowered' in Ships and Modules forum a bunch of forum trolls blobs me for saying it. Surely if rockets arent overpowered then there is no need for them to feel so angry and blob my thread. I'm sure I hit a nerve for saying rockets are overpowered, they must be overpowered. Logic and reason, reductio ad absurdum, oh the irony. What a textbook internet troll you are. Originally by: Musical Fist I guess NC isnt as stable as I thought, even words intimidate them, you can have your NAPs, rats and lies, spin things however way you want but I would suggest you go back to the weak meme's and overused widot trash because your current replies confirm everything I have been writing about you. TLDR: ADHD is bad, try reading everything a person types without getting distracted by shiny things Oh yes, another 'I cannot counter his argument but I win anyway' post. Again, you are just getting so predictable. Anyway, you have made it extremely clear that logic and reason means trash to you on a troll-fested forum. I'm sure that CCP will eventually gives in to your QQ and trash-talking after the finished Incarna and Dust; and quite frankly, who knows what happens to NC by then?

Neborov2 Amarr Most Feared Gaming	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:05:00 - [131] This is getting serious! Btw I am Mr. ROger's son and I have a law degree from harvard.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:18:00 - [132] Originally by: Noir Avlaa Originally by: Musical Fist the ironic thing is NC started off the NAP train with "The south is heavily aligned, we need to form a pact that will defend us and outnumber them" then after MAX Mk I they were like "actually we better keep this pact or we're screwed" then after MAX Mk II went "we are all BFFs". Kinda like how the USA was made right? And now each state is like BFFs, except Texas. Thats right keep comparing eve online a space game where most stuff happens in space at warp speed with titans and vitoc to USA. Excellent comparison -- Recruitment now open!!
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:37:00 - [133] Originally by: Captain Yifan to hell with the 5-minute timer, again For someone who just replied like a 5 year old kid saying I am perceiving things wrong about NC and claiming not to be a robot, how can anyone possibly take your comment serious when you dont even notice simple things in front of you like the 5 min timer which has been reduced to 2 mins and has been for quite a while now :P Perhaps you need one of your NC sponsors to fill you in, because what you clearly see and read is obviously not factual unless it is coming from them -- Recruitment now open!!
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:50:00 - [134] Edited by: Captain Yifan on 07/09/2010 20:53:32 Edited by: Captain Yifan on 07/09/2010 20:51:10 Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Captain Yifan to hell with the 5-minute timer, again For someone who just replied like a 5 year old kid saying I am perceiving things wrong about NC and claiming not to be a robot, how can anyone possibly take your comment serious when you dont even notice simple things in front of you like the 5 min timer which has been reduced to 2 mins and has been for quite a while now :P Perhaps you need one of your NC sponsors to fill you in, because what you clearly see and read is obviously not factual unless it is coming from them Of course your sarcasm detector has failed. I only added it in so my post dosent sound as serious. And, is there a point in you, erm, attacking my rant on the 5 minute timer? I'm sure me whining about the 5-minute timer must have something to do with NC being bad. Now isnt it obvious that it is you who is acting like a 5-year old? Also, my rant about the 5-minute timer is only one line in my thread. Now, care to offer a counter to the reductio ad absurdum (google it if you havent got a clue wtf that means), or better, offer a counter to the 'old counters' that you claim we keeps on using? Originally by: Musical Fist Perhaps you need one of your NC sponsors to fill you in, because what you clearly see and read is obviously not factual unless it is coming from them Well, by all means, keep up the hyperboles and trash-talking. I'm sure if you do it enough I will start crying and NC will actually disband.
Noir Avlaa Amarr Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.07 21:13:00 - [135] Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Noir Avlaa Originally by: Musical Fist the ironic thing is NC started off the NAP train with "The south is heavily aligned, we need to form a pact that will defend us and outnumber them" then after MAX Mk I they were like "actually we better keep this pact or we're screwed" then after MAX Mk II went "we are all BFFs". Kinda like how the USA was made right? And now each state is like BFFs, except Texas. Thats right keep comparing eve online a space game where most stuff happens in space at warp speed with titans and vitoc to USA. Excellent comparison Sorry, I saw other IRL comparisons, like the "my brother's a fat **** because he got the twinky" and just decided to go bigger. Hey, it's not an exact science is it? And yeah, we weren't talking about a fight with the NC, more we were talking about the structure. Believe it or not, INTERWEB SPACESHIPZ can have real life comparisons, because it still involves people, and while it's not as serious as IRL you can still draw parallels. kisses x
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.07 22:31:00 - [136] Originally by: Captain Yifan Edited by: Captain Yifan on 07/09/2010 20:53:32 Edited by: Captain Yifan on 07/09/2010 20:51:10 Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Captain Yifan to hell with the 5-minute timer, again For someone who just replied like a 5 year old kid saying I am perceiving things wrong about NC and claiming not to be a robot, how can anyone possibly take your comment serious when you dont even notice simple things in front of you like the 5 min timer which has been reduced to 2 mins and has been for quite a while now :P Perhaps you need one of your NC sponsors to fill you in, because what you clearly see and read is obviously not factual unless it is coming from them Of course your sarcasm detector has failed. I only added it in so my post dosent sound as serious. And, is there a point in you, erm, attacking my rant on the 5 minute timer? I'm sure me whining about the 5-minute timer must have something to do with NC being bad. Now isnt it obvious that it is you who is acting like a 5-year old? Also, my rant about the 5-minute timer is only one line in my thread. Now, care to offer a counter to the reductio ad absurdum (google it if you havent got a clue wtf that means), or better, offer a counter to the 'old counters' that you claim we keeps on using? Originally by: Musical Fist Perhaps you need one of your NC sponsors to fill you in, because what you clearly see and read is obviously not factual unless it is coming from them Well, by all means, keep up the hyperboles and trash-talking. I'm sure if you do it enough I will start crying and NC will actually disband. You started crying pages ago, you even stopped using the word bitter too, looks like alot of what got said in this thread had a huge impact on you now what kind of person would change the way he replies and comments based on replies, oh thats right inconsistencies are usually the first sign of a unstable person. NC wont be break anytime soon but looks like you already have As for everything else you written, it has been answered already so really unless you can actually defend your coalition without indirectly agreeing with me I would advise you to reply with memes. Besides this isnt the first thread you get called out on being the idiot and this isnt grammar ****'s online either so chill with the not so greatly worded English lessons -- Recruitment now open!!
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.07 23:50:00 - [137] Originally by: Musical Fist You started crying pages ago, you even stopped using the word bitter too, looks like alot of what got said in this thread had a huge impact on you now what kind of person would change the way he replies and comments based on replies, oh thats right inconsistencies are usually the first sign of a unstable person. Enlighten me, please. Point to the post where I was crying, point to the post where I was being 'inconsistent', point to the post where I was being 'unstable'. It is rather obvious you cannot. Keep up with the ridicules and personal attacks all you want if you thinks that helps your cause. By the way, what has the word 'bitter' has to do with it? I was talking about minigin's bitterness about the NC. How is that anywhere related to you? Is minigin your alt? Originally by: Musical Fist NC wont be break anytime soon but looks like you already have You sir, are trying and failing to deceive yourself, and because of it I am breaking down with laughter. Of course, I cannot beat him with reason and logic, so I just declare victory by saying that my opponent has already broken down! How convienient Originally by: Musical Fist As for everything else you written, it has been answered already so really unless you can actually defend your coalition without indirectly agreeing with me I would advise you to reply with memes. Besides this isnt the first thread you get called out on being the idiot and this isnt grammar ***'s online either so chill with the not so greatly worded English lessons Although posting in good grammar and logic is not strictly required on a troll-infested forum, it does help your cause. By the way, in this thread, I did notcriticize your grammar. If you think reductio ad absurdum* is actually a criticizm of grammar, then you seriously need to get a grip. Now to address the other part of your fail post: Denial is the worst fallacy you could commit especially on an internetz argument. Anyway, if you think that you have countered my arguments in some thread/post you made before, feel free to point me to it. On the other hand, I have already evesearched your entire eve-o forums posting history and, surprise, surprise, every time someone disagrees with you, you accuses him of being brainwashed/a spin doctor. Your way of reasoning is explicitly as follows: 1. When someone post an argument you cannot refute, troll him to do it again 2. When he does it again, just say that his argument has already been countered. 3. When he calls you a troll, bang on the table and yell like hell. 4. When he is tired of your trolling, declare victory and call your opponent butthurt, inconsistent and unstable. Look, I think the discrediting of your personality will stop here. Again, point me to the posts where you think you've answered my points, you made the claim and the burden of proof is with you.
Xochitl Teotl Minmatar Carthage Industries Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.08 01:45:00 - [138] Originally by: Ganthritor Considering the most two vocal alliance members of yours, this post is astonishingly reasonable. +rep. Anyways, by all means, you cannot say they were competent enough when addressing how they actually weren't competent enough just in the next sentence. Competent, to a degree, competent enough obviously not. Thank you for the +rep, I think?! As much as we all love Butters and Windy, they are not a full sample of the alliance. In addition, I speak on behalf of no other but myself. I'm nothing more than a freedom fighter that simply enjoys observing and analyzing the intricacies of the null sec "sandbox" , but I must digress... Regarding the competency statement of the SC from my original post. I was attempting to show that the SC, also a "blob" coalition at it's height, was competent enough to pull itself together but not continue on as a cohesive and growing null sec entity. This was due not to incompetency, rather a lack of the overall understanding of which the NC has acquired through time. For the SC there was... -leadership inconsistency: Liam leaving Sys-K, and ET leaving -A-, granting Manny was able to step up and take over. -ego issues: the best example being Bobby vs Molle -lack of growth: name one half-decent NEW alliance that has grown in the South within the last 6-7 months. Instead, there was a ton of pet and meatshield installations of which were meant to be "thrown away" after their useful lives. A lot of potential was lost here. -lack of planning: destroy the NC...that was about as far as it got. We all saw what happened with the "kitchen sink" campaign. With no long-term vision, there was nothing left to keep everything together. Not even a backup plan. On the other hand there is the NC... -consistent leadership: Last I checked, the same players are running the show. Vuk Lau, Imperian, Fred0, Tomcat, etc. -keeping ego's in check: I'm no NC expert but it doesn't take a genius to realize that all of the above mentioned players have a very high degree of respect for each other and are able to subside their ego's when it comes to the overall health of their ultimate motives. -growth and long-term planning: new alliances are the life blood of any coalition. Old alliances will begin to become frail or fall apart over time(eg. -42-, IRON, TCF). In the same 6-7 month time frame of the SC's rollercoaster, the NC was able to christen RAGE, save WI. from a failcascade, and still keep a pet alliance (UNIT). Furthermore; RAGE should've been a SC alliance under the AGGRO banner until a specific SC powerhouse decided to give them the boot, due to who knows why. A troll or not. The OP made a semi-valid point in that the NC is the strongest coalition currently in null-sec. Yet, as can be seen above, it has nothing to do with pure "blob" or game mechanics. For if the "blob" or game mechanics were the sole reason to NC's prominence, then you would see a lot more "blob" coalitions of great prominence and the SC would still been around as a strong and cohesive entity. The "blob"/game mechanic argument is an elementary way of trying to understand some of the deeper sandbox intricacies of which make up EvE's null sec. -Xo Still coming for our people!
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.08 02:45:00 - [139] Originally by: Razzor Death I really don't understand why so many people give them attention. There posts are nearly as bad as mine and yet you all bite. This is why we can't have nice things. QFT Please stop biting to this bitter alt. Mods, what the hell are you smoking? Wake up and wield the ban stick.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.08 04:05:00 - [140] Edited by: Minigin on 08/09/2010 04:10:38 Originally by: Captain Yifan yet again you fall to the same weakness of all the other posts usually directed at me. of course i appreciate that you went to the extra lengths and i will do my best to pick out the fragments of arguments and ruthlessly slice through them WITH COLD EXECUTION! now your claim that the nc arnt all lemmings, lets examine why this isnt a good argument. lets ignore that the only FACT behind this claim is "i know people from all these unis" and i will give you that certainly even should you not know them, there is likely people from those unis in the nc. let us further examine that you seem to jump from good mind -> good uni -> good job -> not lemming. i really only need to point out that there is no hard and fast link between being smart and not being a lemming. which is why i find it highly entertaining that you all argue as though i have not been a lemming in the past or that i somehow dont experience societies ever present pull on me as you all do. this is why i have knowledge of such things, and why you should also. what then makes us different? only you can know the answer. in your second argument, you attempt to nullify truth as you and so many others have done by stating "yes you are right, but why are you bitter!?!?!?!? BOOSH" now i have already gone into this at length in this thread so i will not do so again as the word limit is pretty small, but lets instead look at why this argument has no place. first off you have misinterpreted or sought ot misrepresent my argument. my argument is that people in the nc dont actually enjoy what they are doing and constantly repeating over and over again to yourself that "some people like that style of play" doesnt change the truth of the matter. most people in the nc come to these forums which i so enjoy reading and posting in, and complain and some even threaten to unsubscribe unless certain things (which i believe they in no small part helped cause and could help avoid and still get epic battles) change. your second flaw in this small argument is that you remind us all (as is core to my argument) that this is a game, but not a second later you are saying "its risky to not blob, you might lose" - i think you can see the issue with this line, but ill go one better anyway, the point imo of a game is to have fun on your journey to winning(if winning is indeed so important to you - and dont get me wrong, i think it is good to win)! like so many others you managed to skip the first cruical step, and it has now become all about winning. this is why yatzee reviewed eve as "paying for a second job". the next issue we get to is your idea of pvp. "POS bash, a station shoot-up, couple of gate-campings and a solo roam that I ended up in my pod." if this is what you think a good amount of PLAYER VS PLAYER is, then good for you, you probably only play 10-20 mins a day, but there are people playing this game 4-5 hours straight and doing nothing but camping gates on orders from their rental agreements, refusing to give up victory by letting down the NUMBERS TACTIC and bashing poses and stations for whole days. and whos argument is it you claim makes this less a game and more serious buisness. your next attack on my argument, you come up with the only real argument available to you. claiming the difference between the objective and the subjective. personally i have always found this a relatively weak argument, but ignoring that, i ask you, is its being subjectively true ruling out that it may also be objectively true? and this is exactly what i sought to point out in my earlier post, sadly you seemed again to misrepresent it. with your last whimmper you seek again to discredit my "behaviour" rather than my arguments and claim it is my fault this is so. well as i have stated previously and again, i dont think i am as bitter as you want to believe i am. even should i be, it changes nothing, you only want it to. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D

HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.08 04:25:00 - [141] Edited by: HarrietMiers on 08/09/2010 04:26:31 I hate seeing the word yahtzee misspelled in lime green.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.08 04:42:00 - [142] Originally by: HarrietMiers Edited by: HarrietMiers on 08/09/2010 04:26:31 I hate seeing the word yahtzee misspelled in lime green. did you by any chance spell it "mispelt" the first time? in regular white? . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.08 04:54:00 - [143] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: HarrietMiers Edited by: HarrietMiers on 08/09/2010 04:26:31 I hate seeing the word yahtzee misspelled in lime green. did you by any chance spell it "mispelt" the first time? in regular white? Nah i'm just an idiot who can't quote properly.
Dr Cheeto Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.08 05:35:00 - [144] Edited by: Dr Cheeto on 08/09/2010 05:35:32 Confirming that everyone totally reads 2000 word CAOD posts.
Imigo Montoya Gallente Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:14:00 - [145] Originally by: Xochitl Teotl snip The "blob"/game mechanic argument is an elementary way of trying to understand some of the deeper sandbox intricacies of which make up EvE's null sec. -Xo You know, I don't think you quite get the purpose of CAOD, you're making far to reasonable a commentary. Also, you're not QQing nearly enough about something, anything... Or maybe it's just because you're one of those brainwashed NC lemmings... hang on...
ElrondMD Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:59:00 - [146] Seriously guys, why are you wasting your time arguing with Minigin, the entire premise of his logic is ridiculous. Go run some sanctums for me instead or something.
Popolytho Gallente Tracer Group Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.09.08 13:09:00 - [147] The Sorcerer's Apprentice had an extra scene after credits. Oh the nostalgy of old disney cartoons... But FYI, there is no extra scene after Predators. The cake is a lie.
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.08 14:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Minigin yet again you fall to the same weakness of all the other posts usually directed at me. of course i appreciate that you went to the extra lengths and i will do my best to pick out the fragments of arguments and ruthlessly slice through them WITH COLD EXECUTION! You know what, you are just trash-talking. Oh yea, using an ALL CAPS HYPERBOLE must make you a leet debator. The point is, that you are just not countering my argument, you do not have a premise of logic, and you are just trying to deceive yourself that you are somehow managing to slicing through my argument, you know that and I know that. Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 08/09/2010 04:10:38 let us further examine that you seem to jump from good mind -> good uni -> good job -> not lemming. i really only need to point out that there is no hard and fast link between being smart and not being a lemming.which is why i find it highly entertaining that you all argue as though i have not been a lemming in the past or that i somehow dont experience societies ever present pull on me as you all do. this is why i have knowledge of such things, and why you should also. what then makes us different? only you can know the answer. There is a fine line between having your own ideas and being cynical. You think you are holding some sort of moral high-grounds, yet you failed to realized that what you are holding is a cynical fringe-view with regard to some entity in a internetz spaceship game. In other words, Even if we strictly stick to the word 'lemming'(cretin)by its very vague definition,, you think that as long as you disagree with some majority, you are not being a lemming. Well, I think the NC should start believing that the world is flat and supporting Kim Jong Yoo for the president of the United Nations. Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 08/09/2010 04:10:38 i ask you, is its being subjectively true ruling out that it may also be objectively true? If you really want to look deep into college-level logic and philosophy, any 'truths' you think there exists, be it scientific or mathematical, are not 'objectively true'. '1+1 = 2' is true within the human subjectivity. Of course, I can always throw the old 'its not possible for humans to define objectivity' argument. But thats not the point of this thread. Considering my audiences, I'll just stick to common sense instead of some geek rambling here. Let me use a statement that we both agree with: is the statement 'Adolf **** is an evil person' a 'fact' or an 'opinion'? I think the answer is rather obvious. So, even though that statement is just an opinion, why do you think that statement actually appears convincing to anyone other than the skinheads with muck in their brain? Let me try: '** aimed at remove the Jews from the human race, his regime sponsored the genocide of 6 million European Jews, therefore ** is an evil person'. Now we have an opinion backed up by irrefutable facts and suddenly it looked a lot more convincing (although its logical premise is still flawed, as the statement '** is an evil person' is still not exactly an 'interpretational' truth) OK, enough **-bashing, let me look at your arguments in the next post:
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.08 14:32:00 - [149] Originally by: Minigin your second flaw in this small argument is that you remind us all (as is core to my argument) that this is a game, but not a second later you are saying "its risky to not blob, you might lose" - i think you can see the issue with this line, but ill go one better anyway, the point imo of a game is to have fun on your journey to winning(if winning is indeed so important to you - and dont get me wrong, i think it is good to win)! like so many others you managed to skip the first cruical step, and it has now become all about winning. this is why yatzee reviewed eve as "paying for a second job NC wins through numbers and numbers only Winning through numbers are lame The 'winning through numbers' tactics are usually used by entities in Starcraft that closesly resembles cancer cells and bacteria irl Therefore, NC is a cancerous overgrown bacteria Note the underlines: You have asserted your own fringe view and proceded to use that as 'factual' in your deductions. Let me ask you: is the Allied Victory in Europe in WW2 lame? is the USN beating the IJN via sheer industrial power lame? As someone with the priviledge of playing EvE online instead of having your house levelled by bombers all the time, do you think the priviledge you enjoy now is lame? I'm sure that your answer will be No, No, and No. Of course, in the context of a video game, maybe 'fun' is more important, maybe it is your ideal that you'd rather win a heroic victory with all the odds against you, or die trying. However, no matter how much you want to poo the 'different people have different perception of fun' line, it is, just that, your ideal is yours and yours only and we have every right to disregard your ideal, and it dosent matter whether you write a threadnaught, an essay, or a book about it. Originally by: Minigin my argument is that people in the nc dont actually enjoy what they are doing and constantly repeating over and over again to yourself that "some people like that style of play" doesnt change the truth of the matter. Yes, most money-making aspects of EvE online is boring (NC didnt code EvE, blame CCP), Yes, some people, both inside and outside NC, including ones in your own alliance, take 'making internetz spaceship money' too literally. I find it strange that, as a NC basher, you are worrying about the mental well-being of the NC members, the only logical conclusion is that you feel bitter that someone you preceive to have less 'skillz' than you are making more ficticious currency. Originally by: Minigin the next issue we get to is your idea of pvp. "POS bash, a station shoot-up, couple of gate-campings and a solo roam that I ended up in my pod." if this is what you think a good amount of PLAYER VS PLAYER is, then good for you, you probably only play 10-20 mins a day, but there are people playing this game 4-5 hours straight and doing nothing but camping gates on orders from their rental agreements, refusing to give up victory by letting down the NUMBERS TACTIC and bashing poses and stations for whole days. and whos argument is it you claim makes this less a game and more serious buisness. To be exact, I play 1-2 hours a day. However, is it exactly 11 0'clock news that people are treating MMOs as their second life? 'Playing MMO as a second life is bad', I have no problem in agreeing with that statement. However, if someone do decides to play a MMO as their second life, then its none of my business, at all. He is wasting his time and he is free to waste his time however he wants.
Razzor Death Gallente Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.08 16:26:00 - [150] It's time to stop posting. -------------------------------------------------- I'm posting in your thread and I didn't even read the OP v0v

oldmanst4r Minmatar future of humankind	Posted - 2010.09.08 17:40:00 - [151] Dunno, I really enjoyed my time in the NC. Nice chaps mostly, at least to other NC members Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Random Majere Gallente Northwind Orbital Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2010.09.08 20:24:00 - [152] Edited by: Random Majere on 08/09/2010 20:25:23 I find Xochitl`s comments about NC leadership very interesting and in my opinion, very close to the truth in regards to the success of the NC. The success of a coalition in Eve surely has to do with numbers however, in order to achieve great numbers, you need to have leaders able to grow up the ranks, nurture and keep them together in the best cohesive way possible. Many times I have seen corp leaders that, eventhough they are good PvPers, know the game inside out, and have great amount of ISKs, constantly fail in growing a simple corporation just because they lack RL leadership skills. In my opinion, the biggest challenge in this game is not to become the best PvPer, fly the biggest or most powerful ship, or amass the most amount of wealth. The biggest challenge in the sandbox, is to be able to influence a massive amount of people to join you in your projects, and this, on a long term basis. If you are able to do that, your success as an alliance leader (or as a group of alliance leaders) is almost guaranteed. I think (and you can argue with me on that) that it is way more difficult for a corp leader in Eve to keep an engage and loyal force within is ranks then it is in a RL corporation (such as the aerospace company I work in). People in Eve don't need a job to pay their bills. In a virtual world such as this game, if a corp (or alliance) member gets to a point that he no longer wants to stay with you (for whatever reasons), usually the decision is very easy. He just leaves!! If you cant keep your ranks, you are doomed to fail. It`s as simple as that. I am sure, that one of the biggest concerns of NC leaders (if not the biggest) is not who will attack and where. It is how they can keep their members happy, loyal, and effective as a team. Lets face it, if this aspect starts going wrong within the NC, things could crumble very quickly. Right now, this is not happening and it is why so many are frustrated when looking at the NC. The NC got big and are staying solid as a rock. Good job everyone!!
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.08 23:19:00 - [153] Poor NC, someone congratulates them and they go on an emo rampage, I was only complimenting you on your æhugeÆ success, I guess even hearing 'no combat ever again' does tend to make your own members angry, but im sure when more NC puppets go inactive you will just replace them with more NAPs. As for the leadership comments, considering how Vuk goes against everything he says in the CSM and is a complete hypocrite I wouldnt give their leadership much credit, especially considering one of his focuses was to æend Blob warfareÆ -.- I dont really care much about honoUr and the other stuff, people can play dirty as much as they want, having everyone NAPed isnt playing dirty, Goons play dirty or did until they became renters, so you will never here me complain about spies, traps or anything like that. In this 0.0 chess game NC hold all the pieces which in effect make them the winner, I donÆt really care much about who does what and besides NC only invaded Bob last time because they had no alliance, I would hardly say thatÆs classed as honourable especially when their propaganda said they they everything alone. I have always compared all 3 coalitions with each other from the start, I frequently said "NC = SC" but I also said if either coalition loses a major alliance in its ghost / non-ghost coalition then by default the other coalition is the winner. From the start of my bitter campaign the issue was 3 major NAPs running the show making 0.0 nothing more than NAPville making it impossible for smaller alliances to become anything more than a renter / pet / roamer, but as days went by SC closed its doors to numbers DC stuck with what they had, however NC continued to grow and not in a polite BFF way. Leadership in NC stated years ago their undying love for each other started because they hated Bob having soo many blues, but even as Bob collapsed NC grew. This is nothing todo with leadership, the ONLY reason the caod ban is on their main alliances is because NC much like every other alliance brags about being better than everyone else which is purely why alot of alliances were against them in the first place. In case it has slipped you mind NC frequently after MAX spammed ôwhat you going todo? You cant possibly take all of us onö, seems like they have the same egotistical issues as other alliances. As for loyalty and friendship, the NAP train is there only for security because the northern cancer feels threatened, after WI lost geminate horribly because Rawr wanted to defend moons rather than their 'friends' the leadership decided the following "we need to have more numbers in case we get attacked on both fronts", for an elite alliance with soo much skill you would think their future wouldnt be limited to "get more NAPs". As I have said before the issue is the NAPs, always has been especially since strategies in war involve node crashing and ohh yeah thats it. -- Recruitment now open!!
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.08 23:29:00 - [154] Originally by: Musical Fist NC touched me in my nono spot and now I'm going to 24/7 spam these forums with my tears. So, which mod are you? No other explanation as to why you haven't been banned. By all means, keep crying though. Your tears are delicious.
evilempire0 Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.09.09 00:35:00 - [155] Who is "we form voltron" ? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=evilempire0
Captain Yifan Minmatar Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.09 02:14:00 - [156] Originally by: Musical Fist stuff What you are basically saying, is that 0.0 should look like medieval Europe instead of the USA vs. USSR cold war. I have said it numerous times before that I respect your right to have your opinion, but that dosent necessarily means that I'm obliged to agree with you. (and it is an act of bigotry to collective label your opponent as brain-washed robots). I dont think that your will should be the driving factor on how 0.0 is 'supposed' to look like. NC will eventually collapse (suprised to hear that from a NC member, heh?) and it is always just a matter of when, and when it happens, nine out of ten NC members will just get on with it. I dont care whether I'm making money from shooting sanctums, shooting veldspars, or shooting scam contracts with my jita alt.
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.09 02:23:00 - [157] Why do people keep trying to engage an obvious troll in dialogue? Christ you are making me root for him.
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.09 02:50:00 - [158] Originally by: Captain Yifan Originally by: Musical Fist stuff What you are basically saying, is that 0.0 should look like medieval Europe instead of the USA vs. USSR cold war. I have said it numerous times before that I respect your right to have your opinion, but that dosent necessarily means that I'm obliged to agree with you. (and it is an act of bigotry to collective label your opponent as brain-washed robots). I dont think that your will should be the driving factor on how 0.0 is 'supposed' to look like. NC will eventually collapse (suprised to hear that from a NC member, heh?) and it is always just a matter of when, and when it happens, nine out of ten NC members will just get on with it. I dont care whether I'm making money from shooting sanctums, shooting veldspars, or shooting scam contracts with my jita alt. I dont want NC to die (unless it is through combat) chances are it will die from boredom, I have said it before if NC die my comments will be the same however a different coalition will replace NC. What I want back is independent wars, small coalitions, sov drama, changes to diplomacy and battles where node crashes dont control the outcome. In other words I want PvP back :P and not "who will PL attack today" and "when will SC and NC fight again", numbers control this and it is todo with the mechanics of the game why else would everyone obsess with NAPs & blobbing All the alliances are facing the same issue atm, losing members to boredom and to make up for these losses they mass recruit more, doesnt really matter how good people think one side or the other is boredom is killing off activity. Solution: Change diplomacy, change it in a way to promote multiple wars, where people spend less time NAPing and more time fighting because right now (similar to some guys signature on SHC) all that happens is one side gets X people, other side gets X+1 then other gets X+2 and eventually the node crashes with everyone fighting on forums or against a black screen. There shouldnt just be 3 sides to 0.0 :P but until changes are made NC will hold the crown because they have the ability to node crash every battle, no leadership or skill is required for that -- Recruitment now open!!
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.09 02:52:00 - [159] Edited by: HarrietMiers on 09/09/2010 02:51:58 Originally by: HarrietMiers Why do people keep trying to engage an obvious troll in dialogue? Christ you are making me root for him. Preemptively quoting myself before someone bothers replying to him again.
Gistatis Tribunus Minmatar The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.09.09 02:58:00 - [160] Oh boy this thread is hilarious. I can't decide which is better, musical's OP post or the peanut gallery responses. --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz

Airborne Ninja Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.09 15:45:00 - [161] This thread.
Atsuko Yamamoto Caldari Spartan Shipyards	Posted - 2010.09.09 17:40:00 - [162] Hurr Durr, Derpderp derpy hurrdurr derpderpderp. DERP. Hurr hurr hurr, derp. Werpity derp derp hurr. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp. Derp... Hurr derp durr durr DERPITY hurr derp derp. Urp derp hurr derr derpy derp derp. Bel Air. Derp derp hurr wurr murr shurr durr derp derp. Derpity derp derp. Derp? Derp.
DurrHurrDurr Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.09 17:44:00 - [163] Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto Hurr Durr, Derpderp derpy hurrdurr derpderpderp. DERP. Hurr hurr hurr, derp. Werpity derp derp hurr. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp. Derp... Hurr derp durr durr DERPITY hurr derp derp. Urp derp hurr derr derpy derp derp. Bel Air. Derp derp hurr wurr murr shurr durr derp derp. Derpity derp derp. Derp? Derp. WHAT!? What do you want? I'm busy.
BiaXia Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.09 17:52:00 - [164] Man, it's like some kind of bad poster convention in here.
FinalShowdown Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.09 19:14:00 - [165] Edited by: FinalShowdown on 09/09/2010 19:14:30 Originally by: BiaXia Man, it's like some kind of bad poster convention in here. Is it a bad poster-convention, or a bad-poster convention? There is a difference.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.10 02:27:00 - [166] generic thinly veiled troll. look how witty i am. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER! Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
Bluebear8 Gallente Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.09.10 18:12:00 - [167] Gee, another "easy to read" WIDOT THREAD! [ofc, I skipped all of your WALLS OF TEXT.] Important Reminder -> GO Cowboys! And, Don't MESS with TEXAS.
Messoroz Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.10 18:57:00 - [168] Originally by: DurrHurrDurr Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto Hurr Durr, Derpderp derpy hurrdurr derpderpderp. DERP. Hurr hurr hurr, derp. Werpity derp derp hurr. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp. Derp... Hurr derp durr durr DERPITY hurr derp derp. Urp derp hurr derr derpy derp derp. Bel Air. Derp derp hurr wurr murr shurr durr derp derp. Derpity derp derp. Derp? Derp. WHAT!? What do you want? I'm busy. Best part is, he is not a troll alt.
Nynjato Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.10 20:21:00 - [169] Edited by: Nynjato on 10/09/2010 20:23:06 ITT: Musical be mad Quote: I dont want NC to die (unless it is through combat) chances are it will die from boredom, I have said it before if NC die my comments will be the same however a different coalition will replace NC. So basically, you will be doomed to forever whine about the powerbloc blob of the year? Quote: What I want back is independent wars, small coalitions, sov drama, changes to diplomacy and battles where node crashes dont control the outcome. Have you even lived in 0.0? Quote: In other words I want PvP back :P and not "who will PL attack today" and "when will SC and NC fight again", numbers control this and it is todo with the mechanics of the game why else would everyone obsess with NAPs & blobbing pretty sure you are the only one obsessed with NAPs Quote: All the alliances are facing the same issue atm, losing members to boredom and to make up for these losses they mass recruit more, doesnt really matter how good people think one side or the other is boredom is killing off activity. No. Quote: Solution: Change diplomacy, change it in a way to promote multiple wars, where people spend less time NAPing and more time fighting because right now (similar to some guys signature on SHC) all that happens is one side gets X people, other side gets X+1 then other gets X+2 and eventually the node crashes with everyone fighting on forums or against a black screen. Your grand oration of the mechanical woes of 0.0 fighting is crafted from someones sig. Quote: There shouldnt just be 3 sides to 0.0 :P but until changes are made NC will hold the crown because they have the ability to node crash every battle, no leadership or skill is required for that 3 sides? That's a bit low, I much prefer a d20 sides. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist
BiggerDangDude Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.11 01:32:00 - [170] This is a very serious thread and I would appreciate it if all the trolling would stop.

Messoroz Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:42:00 - [171] Honestly I think the original problem is that the dude must of been part of a fail alliance like Atlas who did nothing but ****ing jew after some point and never did anything fun.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.09.13 18:58:00 - [172] wat "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
HarrietMiers Minmatar Helljumpers Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.13 19:24:00 - [173] This thread still alive? Holy christ. Worst mods I've ever seen in any forum ever. Good work ccp.
riverini Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.22 03:30:00 - [174] Originally by: HarrietMiers This thread still alive? Holy christ. Worst mods I've ever seen in any forum ever. Good work ccp. This Thread Delivers... ^__^ German Giggles riverini
Facepalm Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.22 03:53:00 - [175] Kitchen Sink Coalition of Max 2 had more. ------------
boliano Caldari Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.22 04:33:00 - [176] In other words I want PvP back :P and not "who will PL attack today" and "when will SC and NC fight again", numbers control this and it is todo with the mechanics of the game why else would everyone obsess with NAPs & blobbing Sir i am sorry to inform you, that there is fighting all over the map atm. Not sure what you are talking about but id have to disagree with you. There was the fall of ATLAS, the fighting between MM, PL, and the russians. Also we had ncdot. hitting us in fountain. And as far as ur comments bout the NC being fat and lazy...every single day i log on theres constant reports of WI, goons, and TEST all over the south. So as your right about blobs, and lag winning wars, you are wrong about the lack of pvp happening in eve. American Reacharounds, BOLIANO
Dunkler Imperator Amarr N.F.H.P. Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.22 06:08:00 - [177] Edited by: Dunkler Imperator on 22/11/2010 06:08:37 How is this thread still alive? OP Get over it NC isn't going anywhere any time soon. and no amount of crying will change that.
Salmeria Gallente Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.22 06:20:00 - [178] im gay goatses everyone
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 08:22:00 - [179] God I am bored, I guess that is why I am posting in this epic thread of crapness. Other than personal attacks.. it seems that the OP wants to feel that his corp/alliance can make a difference in the grand scheme of things. What he doesn't realize is that no one, inside and outside of EVE, cares about any single two bit alliance. What attracts people to this game is the feeling of being involved in the struggles of great powers. That is why the NYT writes about EVE. The reality is, the OP COULD have an alliance that matters. He could start to make friends with other Alliances. He could create a NAP and create a block of Alliances that could mount a real challenge to the NC. It IS possible, but it takes a huge amount of time and commitment to pull off. The leaders of these large alliances and those who do the administrative work for them have a massive task. So massive that they seldom get to actually PLAY the game anymore. Indeed EVE becomes about how to best serve the needs of their membership, rather than a drive to find :goodfites:. I look south and it seems that, in many ways, NAPs there take what they see as the same steps as the NC. They place "pet" and "meatshield" alliance to protect themselves. They treat junior partners poorly and engage in ego trips. Pretty much everything that you say makes the NC successful (with much bitterness) is tried, but they still fail. The question becomes: If those techniques are so successful, why can't others replicate that sucess? It shouldn't be hard. Get some "pets", use people.. NAP up as many as possible and you should automatically win! At least by the logic I have seen from Musical Fist. If it was a matter of mechanics, it should be quite simple. That it hasn't been replicated by using those techniques means that there must be something more invovled. You call the NC "unskilled". What you are talking about is skill in PVP and really nothing else. There seem to be those that think this should be the ONLY qualification for success in EVE. In just about any other game they would be correct. But what they are missing is that the REAL game of EVE doesn't happen on a CCP server someplace. The real game happens in the background on countless jabber and IRC sessions. It happens in TS and Vent between entities who each have their own goals and ideals, who can put aside differences to work together towards a shared end. The NC has shown amazing skill in diplomacy, logistics and leadership. Skill in PVP.... that isn't even on the same level. Those are real life, srs bsns skills that take talent, time and effort to master. Being good at PVP is just being good at a video game.
Viribus Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 09:02:00 - [180] Gas OP, gas minigin, gas thread, gas CAOD

Azura Nester Caldari The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.22 09:44:00 - [181] obvious troll is obvious.
Masjheira Minmatar Cursed Inc. Cursed Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.22 09:47:00 - [182] Originally by: ps3ud0nym You call the NC "unskilled". What you are talking about is skill in PVP and really nothing else. There seem to be those that think this should be the ONLY qualification for success in EVE. In just about any other game they would be correct. But what they are missing is that the REAL game of EVE doesn't happen on a CCP server someplace. The real game happens in the background on countless jabber and IRC sessions. It happens in TS and Vent between entities who each have their own goals and ideals, who can put aside differences to work together towards a shared end. The NC has shown amazing skill in diplomacy, logistics and leadership. Skill in PVP.... that isn't even on the same level. Those are real life, srs bsns skills that take talent, time and effort to master. Being good at PVP is just being good at a video game. At least I see some kind of smart answer to the thread. Though, Mister Pseudonym, I think you're wrong about something important: Eve must remain a game, and lots of people playing Eve to enjoy its adrenaline rush during pvp encounters hate the way some other guys play Eve. Because they were lacking fun pvping (some troll would say it's because they were definitly unskilled), then they figured out that using "diplomacy" and "talent" as you call them, would in some way compensate their lack of fun. I think we quite figured out that by now, but let me tell you that doesn't change the way I think, the way many think: these kind of tactics in Eve might kill the fun of the game in fine. Having Eve to be a mirror of reality is not a goal we should aim for. We don't need supra-diplomats uniting huge alliance, proving their "speechcraft" skills. We need to grab a ship, charge a fleet, no matter its size, and ENJOY the ****ing game. Imo. So final point: I don't think most people want to "make a difference in the grand scheme of things". I think that's an american way of thinking, "I WANNA CONTROL EVERYTHING". Most of the people I know and I've known over the years just wanna have their daily adrenaline rush, improve their personnal skills in pvp, and form up with friends. Regards
Murauke Caldari EvE Rookie Collective EvE Rookie Collective Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.22 09:51:00 - [183] Confused.com = wasn't there a Kitchen Sink Campaign that started ummmm around about this time last year and ended ummmm about 4 months from now with the Kitchen in the sink and the North drinking champaign? For what its worth numbers are not the winning factor when it comes to battles its about tactics and making use of your numbers. GTFO of COAD!
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.22 10:12:00 - [184] Posting from the winning team and reminding OP that this is a sandbox where people don't want to play YOUR game.
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.22 10:27:00 - [185] Originally by: Facepalm Kitchen Sink Coalition of Max 2 had more. interesting how the op keeps ignoring that fact isnt it?
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:12:00 - [186] Originally by: Masjheira At least I see some kind of smart answer to the thread. Though, Mister Pseudonym, I think you're wrong about something important: Eve must remain a game, and lots of people playing Eve to enjoy its adrenaline rush during pvp encounters hate the way some other guys play Eve. Because they were lacking fun pvping (some troll would say it's because they were definitly unskilled), then they figured out that using "diplomacy" and "talent" as you call them, would in some way compensate their lack of fun. I think we quite figured out that by now, but let me tell you that doesn't change the way I think, the way many think: these kind of tactics in Eve might kill the fun of the game in fine. Having Eve to be a mirror of reality is not a goal we should aim for. We don't need supra-diplomats uniting huge alliance, proving their "speechcraft" skills. We need to grab a ship, charge a fleet, no matter its size, and ENJOY the ****ing game. Imo. So final point: I don't think most people want to "make a difference in the grand scheme of things". I think that's an american way of thinking, "I WANNA CONTROL EVERYTHING". Most of the people I know and I've known over the years just wanna have their daily adrenaline rush, improve their personnal skills in pvp, and form up with friends. Regards I think you are very right. The average player just wants to get into a ship and go and get his PVP rocks off. I can certainly appreciate that, I am that kind of player. I love the adrenaline rush that PVP in EVE brings to me, but I also love the feeling that although I am but a small part, I am taking part in events that are much larger than the encounter I just had. EVE is a sandbox, and in many ways because of that and the way the game is designed, it has to mirror reality to some extent. It is where it can't that it makes things interesting. In the real world, most of us are looking for peace. In peace time we can live our lives, raise our children and work to make our world a better place. But in EVE, boredom and frustration are two of the biggest challenges that any leader must face. If there is no "action" their members will either quit the alliance for greener pasture, or simply stop logging on unless there is something to do. Both of these are death to an alliance in EVE. It isn't the mechanics that drive this, it is human nature. We play EVE to be entertained and, lets face it, PVE in EVE is about as interesting as watching paint dry. It takes both kinds of players and play to make this work. Without the large power blocs, that feeling of huge movements and the clash of great powers would be missing. They provide the "story" and the reason to fight in the first place. I don't see how it "kills the fun", for me it is what makes it fun! Right now the NC is ascendant, it remains to be seen if they can remain so. If history in EVE is any indicator, such ascendancy tends to be transient. Sooner or later a power will rise that will challenge the NC or, having grown too large for easy management, it will fracture as the goals and ideals of the various components diverge until they are incompatible. If we want to be honest, you can already see the outlines of that division. With no real external threat, those divisions will grow larger and larger over time. Because of the conflicting needs of the memberships to have both safety and entertaining PVP, stability is going to be only ever a temporary situation. This dichotomy forces alliances to expand ever outward. The larger they expand, the more difficult it is to keep control. The more powerful they become, the more the rest of the population resents them. The issue right now is that because of history and personality, there is a leadership vacuum in the south that prevents a challenger from arising. Is that the fault of the NC? No, it is the egos in leadership who are unable to work together and present that challenge. Things will eventually change.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.22 14:42:00 - [187] Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: zombu2 Lemme be the first to say eh Sorry renters but NC has a fatter arse than you LMFAO this alone deserves 10/10
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.22 14:56:00 - [188] Originally by: ps3ud0nym Because of the conflicting needs of the memberships to have both safety and entertaining PVP, stability is going to be only ever a temporary situation. This dichotomy forces alliances to expand ever outward. The larger they expand, the more difficult it is to keep control. The more powerful they become, the more the rest of the population resents them. The issue right now is that because of history and personality, there is a leadership vacuum in the south that prevents a challenger from arising. Is that the fault of the NC? No, it is the egos in leadership who are unable to work together and present that challenge. Things will eventually change. So whatcha saying is "All the fun in this game, is in the South". Hoppit!
Teh Ashen Minmatar 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.11.22 18:13:00 - [189] holy bitter thread necro batman
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 20:38:00 - [190] Originally by: Spurty Originally by: ps3ud0nym Because of the conflicting needs of the memberships to have both safety and entertaining PVP, stability is going to be only ever a temporary situation. This dichotomy forces alliances to expand ever outward. The larger they expand, the more difficult it is to keep control. The more powerful they become, the more the rest of the population resents them. The issue right now is that because of history and personality, there is a leadership vacuum in the south that prevents a challenger from arising. Is that the fault of the NC? No, it is the egos in leadership who are unable to work together and present that challenge. Things will eventually change. So whatcha saying is "All the fun in this game, is in the South". I am having a blast! From my perspective it seems like the south is full of people who *** and complain but don't have the organizational skills to actually do anything BUT *** and complain. From CAOD and other sources, it sounds like the south is a terrible place to be. Full of ego and hurf burf, unfriendly to new players and generally unpleasant to be around. I love TEST and the north has been awesome to us. Everyone said we wouldn't last 3 months and that "Newbies are useless in PVP", well.. we are still here and are stronger than ever. Our newbies are the life blood of the Alliance. They remind the bittervets why they log in. Newbies are still blown away by this game and are willing to throw ship after ship at the enemy just to blow up hilariously. I would much rather be involved in an organization like that, then one who is full of elitist jerks fapping to their SP totals like it means something.

Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.22 20:51:00 - [191] Originally by: ps3ud0nym Originally by: Spurty Originally by: ps3ud0nym Because of the conflicting needs of the memberships to have both safety and entertaining PVP, stability is going to be only ever a temporary situation. This dichotomy forces alliances to expand ever outward. The larger they expand, the more difficult it is to keep control. The more powerful they become, the more the rest of the population resents them. The issue right now is that because of history and personality, there is a leadership vacuum in the south that prevents a challenger from arising. Is that the fault of the NC? No, it is the egos in leadership who are unable to work together and present that challenge. Things will eventually change. So whatcha saying is "All the fun in this game, is in the South". I am having a blast! From my perspective it seems like the south is full of people who *** and complain but don't have the organizational skills to actually do anything BUT *** and complain. From CAOD and other sources, it sounds like the south is a terrible place to be. Full of ego and hurf burf, unfriendly to new players and generally unpleasant to be around. I love TEST and the north has been awesome to us. Everyone said we wouldn't last 3 months and that "Newbies are useless in PVP", well.. we are still here and are stronger than ever. Our newbies are the life blood of the Alliance. They remind the bittervets why they log in. Newbies are still blown away by this game and are willing to throw ship after ship at the enemy just to blow up hilariously. I would much rather be involved in an organization like that, then one who is full of elitist jerks fapping to their SP totals like it means something. You know the south say the same thing about the north right? Theres even a live thread where MV members are gloating saying they are the best, it says alot about your coalition and what your members are told to believe when you ignore your own coalitions faults. :P Truth vs truth, who is really telling the truth when all sides lie, complain and manipulate, except the Russians yeh? because they are all macro mining rmt right, right?
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 21:11:00 - [192] Quote: You know the south say the same thing about the north right? Theres even a live thread where MV members are gloating saying they are the best, it says alot about your coalition and what your members are told to believe when you ignore your own coalitions faults. :P Truth vs truth, who is really telling the truth when all sides lie, complain and manipulate, except the Russians yeh? because they are all macro mining rmt right, right? I don't know about the propaganda. Dreddit was formed and it was only by mistake that we were anywhere near goons. We tried to be as far from them as possible. They hot dropped us and then made friends and have been, in every way, helpful and supportive. Compared to the rest of EVE, who continually war-deced us because they figured we were easy kills and mocked us because we were mostly new players, goons have been positivity gentlemanly. It is only understandable after that first start and their willing and eager help that we would align ourselves with them. The reality is that had an entity in the south done the same, we could have been sitting there helping attack and defend. Goons were quick to see that a new power was forming and take advantage of it while the rest of EVE was still all hurf burf about how newbies can't do anything and are useless etc. We are now the third largest alliance in the game. It is yet another opportunity that the South missed due to lack of foresight. The NC has been the same. They let us chill on their couch and gave us a chance to grow strong enough to actually BE a power in EVE. Without the support of our friends, TEST wouldn't be possible. Through all of this, we certainly didn't see or hear a thing from the south except derisive laughter. TEST is one of the only alliances in 0.0 that will happily take a day 1 newbie and train them to fight and live in 0.0. We know that our newbies in hero tackle will soon be flying drakes, and then HACs and so on. We are willing to put the time and investment into them because we know it will be worth it. By the time they hit 10M SP, they all know how to fit a ship, how to watch local and give intel correctly. What entity in the south has that attitude? We are well aware of our faults, but they are far outweighed by our attitude and the fun we derive from each other and the game. This isn't "we are the best" BS, it is a truly different culture that it has been an honor to be involved with. Perhaps there is an entity in the south that is the same, if so, I would love someone to point them out to me. As for the Russians... I have no idea what happens over there. From our Russian bros in goons, it seem that the only thing the Russians really hate is, other Russians. The politics on that side is somewhat of a murky situation to me because of the language barrier. Again, from the info I have received, they seem to be a totally different animal to the rest of EVE yet again.
Ichera Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.22 21:25:00 - [193] Edited by: Ichera on 22/11/2010 21:25:52 Originally by: ps3ud0nym TEST is one of the only alliances in 0.0 that will happily take a day 1 newbie and train them to fight and live in 0.0. We know that our newbies in hero tackle will soon be flying drakes, and then HACs and so on. We are willing to put the time and investment into them because we know it will be worth it. By the time they hit 10M SP, they all know how to fit a ship, how to watch local and give intel correctly. What entity in the south has that attitude? We are well aware of our faults, but they are far outweighed by our attitude and the fun we derive from each other and the game. This isn't "we are the best" BS, it is a truly different culture that it has been an honor to be involved with. Perhaps there is an entity in the south that is the same, if so, I would love someone to point them out to me. And this is why Test receives +1 interwebs. Anyone willing to train newer players to not be crap, and enjoy the game at the same time deserves what they recieved. Go go my TESTie brethren
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.22 22:15:00 - [194] Originally by: ps3ud0nym snip While that is all nice, my point was that your comments on the south were limited to what you have been told, how exactly would a new player have any knowledge on the south being 'elitest *s' without someone feeding them with this info. Not to mention NC are known to manipulate and use propaganda so things work in their favour. People wouldnt join an alliance unless it had something to offer, you cant limit 0.0 to "north being great and south being bad" because people in any alliance most likely have nothing but good comments to say about their current alliance and im sure each alliance is unique in the way it teaches. I think all alliances need to accept they are very similar to each other and that this IS a game, people should be out fighting not comparing *** sizes on COD
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.22 23:18:00 - [195] Edited by: ps3ud0nym on 22/11/2010 23:21:31 Originally by: Kalle Demos Originally by: ps3ud0nym snip While that is all nice, my point was that your comments on the south were limited to what you have been told, how exactly would a new player have any knowledge on the south being 'elitest *s' without someone feeding them with this info. Not to mention NC are known to manipulate and use propaganda so things work in their favour. People wouldnt join an alliance unless it had something to offer, you cant limit 0.0 to "north being great and south being bad" because people in any alliance most likely have nothing but good comments to say about their current alliance and im sure each alliance is unique in the way it teaches. I think all alliances need to accept they are very similar to each other and that this IS a game, people should be out fighting not comparing *** sizes on COD "New" is a relative term. While I am a new SUB, I am not a new player. The reason for all the numbers in my name is that I have used up all the other versions. I have been playing EVE since the closed beta and have kept up with it quite closely since then. My information doesn't come from propaganda, and it is a mistake to think that there really is any directed this way. My information comes from people who are in the south. It comes from our members who were once part of those blocs and the various posts here, on Kug_u and Scrapheap. The culture that developed, first with BoB and in the south in general smacks of imperialism to me. It seems to be populated with cults of personality which isn't a stable system of organization. The fall of Atlas is an excellent example. Take away the central ego and the entire structure collapses. It isn't just the cults of personality. The entire system of "renters" is distasteful in the extreme to me. It is elitist and paternalistic. The North really is quite different in this regard. It really is a bunch of divergent entities who have banded together to further shared goals. That, to me, is really what EVE is all about. That is why we have corps and alliances. When that system is used to consolidate power in the hands of a few, with benefits primarily flowing to the large parent alliance it seems to me to be a perversion. All alliances are not similar in the same way that all systems of government aren't similar. We are talking really about the difference between republics and monarchies and dictatorships. This thread started out as a epeen measuring contest, but I would really like to discuss the fundimental difference between the alliances in the south and in the north from the perspective of the different camps. Saying that they are all basically the same is no different than chest beating and saying "We are the best and you suck". I am sure that some find the method of government of the south to be preferable. Such governments and organization have always valued the strength of the individual over the strength of the group. It is analogous to the knights of medieval times. Or even closer, to the relationship between the Spartans and the Helots in ancient Greece. In such a structure a strong warrior (high SP and good at PVP) gives one status and power. In a republic honors go to those who can organize the group towards the shared goal, regardless of their own prowess in battle. Kato was undoubtedly an inferior warrior to Hannibal, but in the end it was Kato who brought down Carthage.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.23 00:08:00 - [196] Originally by: ps3ud0nym My information comes from people who are in the south. It comes from our members who were once part of those blocs and the various posts here, on Kug_u and Scrapheap. Unless a person experiences something direct they cant comment on it, believing what is on shc & kugu wont get you or anyone far and yes this is propaganda / hearsay. It is like believing something because the media says so, in eve it is worse because it is mainly the north who puts so much effort in internet spaceship propaganda. This thread is a clear example, if nc get negative comments which btw arent really inaccurate imo theres a stampede of people defending, any typical south thread gets the usually general windy & metal dude replying, people who are quick to defend are usually people who are threatened by a comment. I still stand by all coalitions, alliances and whatever being so similar and being in any one of them will benefit a player.
ps3ud0nym Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.23 01:06:00 - [197] Edited by: ps3ud0nym on 23/11/2010 01:09:00 Originally by: Kalle Demos Unless a person experiences something direct they cant comment on it, believing what is on shc & kugu wont get you or anyone far and yes this is propaganda / hearsay. That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen anyone make. I certainly didn't "experience" the Roman Empire or the fall of Carthage, but that doesn't stop me and anyone else from learning from the experience of others. In fact, I would go as far as to say that "personal experience" tends to cloud the issue as you are far to close to matter to make an objective determination. It requires a step BACK to look at something objectively and an outside observer can often see issues and problems hidden to those who are personally involved. If you refuse to learn from the experiences of others because of your belief that you must have "personal experience", you are bound to make the same mistakes. As George Santayana said: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.". Originally by: Kalle Demos It is like believing something because the media says so, in eve it is worse because it is mainly the north who puts so much effort in internet spaceship propaganda. I am wondering if the modern media environment has completely clouded your thinking. You are confusing editorializing with "news". That being said, yes... the north is FAR better at propaganda than the south. It is a tried and true method of force multiplication. It boosts your moral and saps the enemy's willingness to fight. It is an extremely valid and effective tactic. Originally by: Kalle Demos This thread is a clear example, if nc get negative comments which btw arent really inaccurate imo theres a stampede of people defending, any typical south thread gets the usually general windy & metal dude replying, people who are quick to defend are usually people who are threatened by a comment. I still stand by all coalitions, alliances and whatever being so similar and being in any one of them will benefit a player. Look at those responses objectively. This is a topic that seems to pop up repeatedly. Of course the responses of the north are to defend their ideals. What do you expect? The accusations thrown around by the posters from the south are generally not constructive and extreme antagonistic. A defensive response is exactly what they are trying to provoke, so why would it be a surprise when NC members defend themselves? It is like being punched in the face and having the other guy act surprised when you hit him back. Did you expect NC members to agree with you? That is just delusion. Your derision of those defending an organization that is obviously of great value to them is a straw-man argument of egregious proportions. Again, you say the criticisms are accurate, and others go even further to say that they are the reasons for the success of the NC. However, those criticisms can also be leveled at the entities in the south, even more so, and they are unable to succeed using them. Lets detail them: 1) using numbers to 'win'. 2) Using smaller 'pet' alliances as meatshields 3) propagandizing their members 4) being disloyal to junior alliances IT and the south certainly uses numbers to win fights. In Kitchen Sink they out numbered most of the NC fleets. The south has 'pet' alliances, and further more has renter alliances as well. They produce their own propaganda (admittedly inferior) and the expulsion of disloyal or non-paying alliances happens there as well. IT used Atlas as a meat shield to protect their assets in H-W. If it is an issue of mechanics, These tactics should ALWAYS work, yet the south is unable to match the success of the north, even when not directly threatened by it. That leads us to one of two conclusions: That the leaders of the south are completely incompetent, or those assumptions are incorrect. I tend to believe the later, rather than the former myself, but I could be wrong.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.23 01:34:00 - [198] Originally by: ps3ud0nym Originally by: Kalle Demos Unless a person experiences something direct they cant comment on it, believing what is on shc & kugu wont get you or anyone far and yes this is propaganda / hearsay. That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen anyone make. I certainly didn't "experience" the Roman Empire or the fall of Carthage, but that doesn't stop me and anyone else from learning from the experience of others. I dont even know why im commenting on the 0.0 stuff anyway, I got bored of 0.0 months ago, but I will comment on what you written here. What people write on forums is NOT factual / 100% accurate, otherwise every thread is 100% accurate, if a person says they dislike the north and another says they like the north I cant just believe both of them. You are getting factual stuff confused with 'what he / she said' and considering the north are more active on the forums it is no surprise you would hear more negative comments about the south. Anyway like I said I dont care much for either side and even though I sometimes reply in favour of one side of the other I really dont care what happens in 0.0 lol
Kilgarth Amarr Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.23 02:42:00 - [199] Edited by: Kilgarth on 23/11/2010 02:42:32 I, too, like posting in threads that are almost 3 months old. This is still a WIDOT thread
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.23 06:04:00 - [200] TEST is the best cause we have the most fun you can have with a computer game :D

Viribus Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.23 06:50:00 - [201] Originally by: Headerman TEST is the best cause we have the most fun you can have with a computer game that isn't ****Lay Not emptyquoting
Ivana Twinkle Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.23 07:03:00 - [202] /whine/ ---
Misty Rains Caldari Synergy Holdings Inc	Posted - 2010.11.23 13:07:00 - [203] I was thinking, What normally hangs with testys, (ok i was sitting on toilet when that came to me)
Nikodiemus Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.23 14:53:00 - [204] ITT crying.
Ascendic Caldari Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.23 23:43:00 - [205] You mean kinda like how the Allies beat the Axis? When you are outgunned you need to blob them to sh!t Obviously proven tactic Cry moar?
Purrp Ledone Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.24 00:34:00 - [206] Originally by: Kalle Demos People wouldnt join an alliance unless it had something to offer, you cant limit 0.0 to "north being great and south being bad" because people in any alliance most likely have nothing but good comments to say about their current alliance and im sure each alliance is unique in the way it teaches. How do you explain OWN Alliance then?
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.11.24 05:14:00 - [207] Originally by: DurrHurrDurr Originally by: Musical Fist Stuff. You're trying too hard. Nah, there's still room for him to try harder.
riverini Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.30 15:12:00 - [208] this thread haz potential... see ya in page 15 German Giggles riverini
drifter raas Caldari RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:36:00 - [209] wow, im sure that i read somehting like this about bob a few years back. some things dont change. People complaining about crap
Lusulpher Gallente Sinister Elite Supremacy.	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:52:00 - [210] Would read again. Creative Customer Person 7

Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:56:00 - [211] Originally by: Purrp Ledone Originally by: Kalle Demos People wouldnt join an alliance unless it had something to offer, you cant limit 0.0 to "north being great and south being bad" because people in any alliance most likely have nothing but good comments to say about their current alliance and im sure each alliance is unique in the way it teaches. How do you explain OWN Alliance then? What about them?


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