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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:30:00 -
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Really kind of surprised at the timidness of the response to this. If you have multiple billions to invest, then this either marks your exit to the game or you still have multiple billions to try to extract some revenge upon anyone/thing associated with this guy. Sure you'll never get the money back and there is no police to call - think that'd stop Tony sopranos if another gangster ripped him off? You guys should be searching / bribing etc etc to find anything that matters to this guy- maybe his recent antagonistic posts will stir some of that up. Heck he has already given a clue to what still matters to him. I'm sure more can be found. Only way you guys don't get some form of revenge is he converts to real money and walks, you quit or you don't try
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath From your list of dividend payments, I figure that in a year you paid out on 42.75 bil profits, or 14.4%. Grats on having a return about a third of what you initially listed, and still being considered gold.
Were you skimming also, or did you just make a whole lot less than you initially anticipated? Just wondering if the total should be bumped up to 900 or so, instead of 850.
No, there was no skimming. I did however build a very good BPC reselling business off the back of the contacts, information and skills that I gained from the IPO and thus made many times more than my cut of T4U via an indirect route.
The profits were much lower than projections due to the massive reduction in BPC sale price after the combination of the Titan rebalance, the introduction of heavy fleet lag and the outbreak of peace in many areas that would have otherwise seen profitable conflict.
We were projecting at 10b-20b a copy and the reality was 5b-10b per copy, averaging at a little over 7b. The original plan was for 4 Titan BPOs and we only started with 3. The 4th and 5th BPOs were expansions.
The dividend history I've published was accurate and complete.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Machete Visor Really kind of surprised at the timidness of the response to this.
I suspect most of the high-rollers don't know yet.
We still get the odd mail every now and then at lolbank saying how they've just come back to the game and are wondering where all their isk is.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby So if we say that I've just completed the game in hard mode... what does nightmare difficulty have in store for me?
lol Diablo II reference ftw
By the way, Bobby, I know it's been asked previously, but what does a guy in your position DO with 850 bil? Invest in an alliance? Buy bling ships?
Money, like reputation, is pointless in and of itself until you spend it on something. I try to use my money and reputation to work on my fledgling corporation, but that's my personal goal. What do you plan to do with level of profit?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Berikath From your list of dividend payments, I figure that in a year you paid out on 42.75 bil profits, or 14.4%. Grats on having a return about a third of what you initially listed, and still being considered gold.
Were you skimming also, or did you just make a whole lot less than you initially anticipated? Just wondering if the total should be bumped up to 900 or so, instead of 850.
No, there was no skimming. I did however build a very good BPC reselling business off the back of the contacts, information and skills that I gained from the IPO and thus made many times more than my cut of T4U via an indirect route.
The profits were much lower than projections due to the massive reduction in BPC sale price after the combination of the Titan rebalance, the introduction of heavy fleet lag and the outbreak of peace in many areas that would have otherwise seen profitable conflict.
We were projecting at 10b-20b a copy and the reality was 5b-10b per copy, averaging at a little over 7b. The original plan was for 4 Titan BPOs and we only started with 3. The 4th and 5th BPOs were expansions.
The dividend history I've published was accurate and complete.
Out of interest, where did the rest of the 850bil come from? T4U and the other bonds still leave things short a few hundred bil don't they? |
oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:08:00 -
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corpthiefs and traitors are treated as hereoes nowadays because being a piece of dirt is considered cool. if somebody reacts like he should hell be ridiculed as idiot and sore loser. hiding behind "its only pixels" as always those people betray rl trust, real people not pixels.
ccp supports this behavior as seen in their last trailer. on the other hand this here is a mmo people need to interact in a meaningful way besides blowing eachother up. it might backfire someday.
just last week people were throwing billions into this particular scam. many more will pump billions into other scams. dont invest as long as there is no collateral or ingame support.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Bad Bobby So if we say that I've just completed the game in hard mode... what does nightmare difficulty have in store for me?
lol Diablo II reference ftw
By the way, Bobby, I know it's been asked previously, but what does a guy in your position DO with 850 bil? Invest in an alliance? Buy bling ships?
Money, like reputation, is pointless in and of itself until you spend it on something. I try to use my money and reputation to work on my fledgling corporation, but that's my personal goal. What do you plan to do with level of profit?
I've been the CEO of several corps. I've built corps up from nothing to be exceptional PvP outfits. I've been in alliance leadership both as the top dog and in lower tiers. I've FCed more fleets and gangs than is healthy. I'll continue to do the same but it can't be considered a goal anymore.
Obviously I've hit a high score on the scammers league and I'll try to beat that score in the future.
But with the isk... I'm giving some to my friends, I'm keeping more than enough to keep me well supplied for as many years of EVE as the servers have left to give, I'm buying some nice toys for myself and others and I'm helping out with HYDRA RELOADED & Genos Occidere's comittments to pay those responsible for our alliance tournament victory. I should still have some change left over from all that which should help us with the next alliance tournament, which we intend to win.
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yarrmarr
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:20:00 -
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*congratulates Bad Bobby.
(goes on holiday)
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:23:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Machete Visor Really kind of surprised at the timidness of the response to this. If you have multiple billions to invest, then this either marks your exit to the game or you still have multiple billions to try to extract some revenge upon anyone/thing associated with this guy. Sure you'll never get the money back and there is no police to call - think that'd stop Tony sopranos if another gangster ripped him off? You guys should be searching / bribing etc etc to find anything that matters to this guy- maybe his recent antagonistic posts will stir some of that up. Heck he has already given a clue to what still matters to him. I'm sure more can be found. Only way you guys don't get some form of revenge is he converts to real money and walks, you quit or you don't try
Bobby's a pvper with a near infinite money supply. What are they gonna do, pay people to go pvp with him? Cost him a bil or two in toys?
The only thing that would hurt him at this point is someone infiltrating his band of hearties and breaking it up. You don't announce those kind of intentions on the forums ;)
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 Out of interest, where did the rest of the 850bil come from? T4U and the other bonds still leave things short a few hundred bil don't they?
T4U raised 450b. I sold my shares so I got 450b from this. In theory the researched BPOs and the faction control tower are worth more than we paid so in reality T4U should be worth more than 450b. I got one last BPC from T4U before unlocking the BPOs, that sold.
I borrowed a lot of isk from various people, some have publicly stated this and some have yet to come forward.
I had a set of Supercarrier BPOs and a few T2 BPOs locked down for clients in my POS corps (you are familiar with the services I provided) and I have taken those.
Total is roughly calculated at 850b, but it's probably a bit more depending on how you value the various BPOs. I go for NPC price on the supercap BPOs and recent market price on the T2 BPOs. Up to you if you think I am valuing high or low.
I'm not going to call out all the people I scammed because I think that is a little cruel. If they want you to know who they are I'm sure they will say.
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:27:00 -
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The ironies are just stacking up..
RL finacial failures. System collapsing..
CCP Trailer launch coinciding w BBs scam.
If things werent so tragic in nature it would be great entertainment..
@BB I think the hard mode you should consider was doing something similar in RL.. then at least people cant diminish the action with it being only internet pixels..
Tycoon wannabe go here: SCC Lounge cocktails and Dreams. |
Utemetsu
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:31:00 -
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I just posted a show with a hefty portion dedicated to Titans 4 U. Listen here. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Ambo
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:33:00 -
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*facepalm*
Never invested in this cos too many things were slightly wrong.
Would never have imagined the 'trustees' could have got it so terribly wrong though. --------------------------------------
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo *facepalm*
Never invested in this cos too many things were slightly wrong.
Would never have imagined the 'trustees' could have got it so terribly wrong though.
A bit of food for thought..
Personal relations and contribution to the game experience seem to be the only real "TRUST" makers..
The only way EVE players can show their intentions is what they are putting on the table. In short what are they risking and what are they potentially loosing.
What would people like Ambo here loose if he did something like that.. The legitemacy of all the work he put in his "product". Same goes for all other types of content creators. People like Chribba, even Shar Tegral imho (grumpy gamer factor aside). My point is it all comes down to integrity. Just like in real life the value is not just in the numbers of a business, its more and mainly in the composition of people and the "reputation/brand values"..
Sure some can laugh these things off as "just a game", and pixels have no karma, but really its all the same. As Cista pointed out in quite harsh tones if you can do and act in these ways in a game, chances are you will be able to in real life and vice versa..
I dont really care much about what BB did, the guilt is with the investors for disregarding the warning signs, and not knowing the difference betwen trustworthy people and legit businesses..
I have claimed earlier that if people arent willing to come out from hiding behind the interwebs I personally dont trust them, and even then its not safe. I met many EVE players I would not hesitate investing my trust in. In the future if MD has any that might become more a rule of thumb. This is not about "I know where you live" it more about if it needs a mask its most likely hiding something..
Tycoon wannabe go here: SCC Lounge cocktails and Dreams. |
SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 04/09/2010 18:08:11
Originally by: Bad Bobby Please ladies and gentlemen give a warm MD welcome to the largest undefeated scammer, comming back from retirement for one last scam. Yes it's...
Baaaaaaaad Bobby!
No. That dog just won't hunt.
No.... Ricdic still holds the trophy.. between 1.2 and 1.45 Trillion..
Nice try though.. The only difference is Ricdic got away with $5,000 of real life money and probably hundreds of billions over the cause of the years and still holds probably 50-100B is ISK and assets locked away, you got away with difficult to sell assets..
Sorry you'll have to create a new alt and try again to score that title.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
Senc, MSN.
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 04/09/2010 18:08:11
Originally by: Bad Bobby Please ladies and gentlemen give a warm MD welcome to the largest undefeated scammer, comming back from retirement for one last scam. Yes it's...
Baaaaaaaad Bobby!
No. That dog just won't hunt.
No.... Ricdic still holds the trophy.. between 1.2 and 1.45 Trillion..
Nice try though.. The only difference is Ricdic got away with $5,000 of real life money and probably hundreds of billions over the cause of the years and still holds probably 50-100B is ISK and assets locked away, you got away with difficult to sell assets..
Sorry you'll have to create a new alt and try again to score that title.
You assume, of course, said alt isn't already created. What's the creation date of Aurum (the "supersecret" alt corp)? Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:40:00 -
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For all of you people that believe in Karma, tell it to a stillborn baby. Nuff said on that imaginary crap.
As far as reality is concerned, BB my hat is off to you. PT Barnum would be proud.
You are "The Merovingian" of Eveonline without a doubt. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Sepi
Gamma Draconis Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones For all of you people that believe in Karma, tell it to a stillborn baby. Nuff said on that imaginary crap.
can i jsut say you seem to forget that karma within hinduism and buddism carries on through rebirth so taking your statement a little further you would realise that a stillborn could well be living his bad karma from previous life, before being reborn again into a slightly less worse case :)
buddist link
Ok so i dont believe in it :) but just going against your moot point
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Sun Ra
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:21:00 -
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BB never really hid who he was, not really surprising is it
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:30:00 -
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Quote:
The new EVE trailer advertises theft on an alliance level as a nifty feature of gameplay and a very large part of the playerbase (everyone except for CVA?) seems to think that the alliance/spy metagame carries no serious ethical problems
A large amount of people in EvE and in RL learn and teach about smearing everything into some trendy relativism where after all, everything is fine in the eyes of the beholder.
I don't personally subscribe to that.
After all, in a rational and civilized reality he'd be marked as thief and imprisoned, with no boast nor glory.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
After all, in a rational and civilized reality he'd be marked as thief and imprisoned, with no boast nor glory.
Every society creates its own morality and rationality. While the one we live in in reality would likely punish him harshly, if he was caught, that isn't to say that is the only way a cilivised society could work.
Even in our "civilised" society, people still worship the memory of gangsters, and laud criminals. What were the Krays, for example? They were lowlife, thieving scum, murderers and bullies, but a huge number of people idolised them and thought they were great.
Society creates its own rules. A woman who put a cat in a bin in the UK recently was (rightly, in my opinion) loathed and derided for it. At the same time, there are still people who tout Raul Moat as a hero. It depresses me.
I'm drifting off point here. As I said, society creates its own rules. In Eve, it seems to me, we're part of a much more amoral and frontier spirited society than that we spend our every day lives. In that society, there is still glamour and glory to be had in theft and unpleasantness.
That's part of the interest and the fun in this sandbox, isn't it? I don't like the fact I got scammed, but I take my hat off to the scammer for pulling it off. That's partly 'cos I don't take this game all that seriously - but it's still interesting to me. If someone in real life had scammed me out of all my worldy goods, I'd be feeling far, far more stupid, and far more vengeful than I am on here. It's interesting how the two realities differ like that :D
Hmmn -- this has turned into far more of a train of consciousness than I'd intended :D I just wanted to point out that different societies develop different moralities, and different views on what is laudable and what is loathesome. As a brit, I grew up on tales of Robin Hood -- a national hero, but a big scale crook. Even in civilised society, so long as your steal and rob with the right swagger people love you. So I'm not surprised it's so in Eve :D
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:56:00 -
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Bravo bad bobby Bravo
You have won eve.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:42:00 -
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Quote:
I'm drifting off point here. As I said, society creates its own rules
Society can believe what they want, in fact it's forever in chaos and confusion.
I'll stick with my provincial, outdated and possibly healty principles whatever the media-driven society picks as today's hero. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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I'm drifting off point here. As I said, society creates its own rules
No it doesnt. The idea that everything is relative and manufactured ignores continuity of experience, among other things
If society creates it's own rules, create a rule you can fly and jump out a window
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Subrogate
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:09:00 -
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Point missed here is that the people obviously trusted you BB and were mates too, now what could have been a longterm way to build cash has become you stealing, even if a game the reality is that people spend time and money to play this - CCP could not care as long as the cash wheel keeps turning - does not mean you have to be a skank.
Karma always comes along so have no worries about you getting yours :).
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Yakumo Smith Invested nothing :)
Saw this coming a mile off.
I'm particularily impressed by CCP publisising the original venture on the news too, allowing non MD regulars to get in on the act (and thus lose isk)
For the Mystry dude convoing me re the news article.
Linkage to the news article
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: AtheistOfFail
PS: Threw this into the ISD news leads cause it might just be my lucky day to be on the first page.
PSS: I'm getting my merlin. I swear.
fyi, its "p.p.s."
ps stands for post-script.
:) ♥
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Quadrantid on 04/09/2010 23:26:03
Originally by: Machete Visor
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I'm drifting off point here. As I said, society creates its own rules
No it doesnt. The idea that everything is relative and manufactured ignores continuity of experience, among other things
If society creates it's own rules, create a rule you can fly and jump out a window
I was talking the virtual rules of morality, rather than anything about the theories of physics. As an astronomer, I'm much more au-fait with the physical side of things ;) If I said that gravity worked upwards, and jumped, it would still pull me down...
If I said that duping anyone was fine and moral, and in fact beneficial to them (because it teaches them a valuable life lesson), and was able to persuade the rest of my society to follow that way of thinking, then from the point of view of that society, such an act would be perfectly reasonable.
Making a specious physical argument doesn't devalue what my rambling words were meant to convey :)
Personally, I think what this guy has done is reprehensible, from my own moral standpoint. I can't understand the mindset of someone who would want to scam people of their cash, and more than I can understand the mind set of someone who wants to suicide gank newbies, or someone who thinks the Krays were wonderful. But I think the general morality in the Eve Universe seems to be that if you commit a crime with enough style, then you'll get fame and glory even while those who are hit hard by it (like myself!) QQ and fume. In fact, from what I've seen since I started playing again, the more QQing you get, and the more tears you extra, the more fame and glory you get.
That's what I meant about society making its own rules. I don't have to like it, but I acknowledge it. I'm just glad it's just a game :D
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Kamchuk
Caldari New Eden Interfacing
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:33:00 -
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2 things i have to say 1. VERY wel played. Even if it turned out badly for everyone involved apart from Bobby, Thats some seriously sneaky stuff there. Well done.
2. Can i have 5 bil please :D
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