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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:03:00 -
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LOL! Bobby = trash. Investors = fools.
I bought 10m in shares at the start of this IPO because I wanted a share in a scam, like a stated when the IPO was created.
BB was full of it, everyone knew it, people spouted it throughout the entire IPO thread. The dude literally stated the ONLY reason he doesn't scam is because it is worth it not to - to the tune of a trillion isk.
Yet another major failure on the part of the trustees and "trusted" MD community. It was a complete scam and at least one of them helped in the scam. The fact that three (right?) of the trustees can claim that they had nothing to do with the scam makes it so none of them will accept any blame.
People honestly didn't wonder why he kept "expanding" the IPO. It was so incredibly obvious he was pumping it for everything it was worth.
So... I told you so?
-GV
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:16:00 -
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I've added this thief to my list below. (As well as some alts name)
If anyone knows the names of any more of his alts please let me know via email. (I could miss them if you post them here.)
♣ Bad Bobby Alts: Mornington Crescent, Titans 4U, Mr SnaffleProof
Services I Provide:
Alliance Creation ● Caldari Standings ● Thieves Of EvE ● My Links ● POS Setups What Makes Me Tick
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tekota on 08/09/2010 23:01:12
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise I've added this thief to my list below. (As well as some alts name)
If anyone knows the names of any more of his alts please let me know via email. (I could miss them if you post them here.)
♣ Bad Bobby Alts: Mornington Crescent, Titans 4U, Mr SnaffleProof online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=603530[/limegreen][/center]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=72#2135 has some more.
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
If this sort of stuff crosses the boundries for you you might wanna get a new hobby....
Ya think? Well that's a very inciteful comment into this complex and interesting topic, but I think I'll stay for now. Looks like both Eve and RL could use some more pathologically honest folks.
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Misty McGinnity
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus LOL! Bobby = exploiter of greedy accounting type's, Investors = Butthurt.
~lecture paragraph's removed~
-GV
Fixed^^
Greed, well done on an awesome scam champ.
Now buy a a few new toons/accounts, rinse & repeat.
-Misty.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.09 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
You just said exactly what I said (at least I think you did) and its still meritless. Yes, removing the outlier shifts the average upwards for the remaining sample! Congratulations on this stunning mathematical development, it's still completely irrelevant.
I make a statement. I provide valid logical reasoning supporting my statement. You find no fault in my assumptions or reasoning, agree with my conclusion, but say "LULZ! None of that matters" without any rhyme or reason supporting your claims.
Congratulations, you have passed trolling 101. Next time, try trolling 102- set up straw-man arguments which are laughably inane and see if you can get anyone to bite.
Quote: Since your hypothesis, carried to an extreme, leads to the whole "Violent video games cause people to go shoot up schools" idea that I find to be laughable at best, here is an alternative hypothesis.
I made a slight change. See if you can find it. Then think really, really hard, and see if you can see why it makes your entire argument completely and totally full of sh**.
Quote: In the "average" person, indulging their sadistic, sociopathic, or psychotic tendencies through a game makes it less likely that they'll go off and go do something like that IRL; essentially, the game is a safety valve, allowing one to blow off stress/tension/anger/whatever in any way they see fit. Only in people who really do have a problem (and such people tend to be statistical outliers) is that safety valve insufficient...or alternatively, only such people would think to themselves, "I wonder what doing this IRL would feel like."
You and I are arguing two different things. You're saying indulging one's impulses in games makes them less likely to indulge them in real life. I'm saying if they have demonstrated these impulses, in a game or not, they are more likely THAN AN AVERAGE PERSON to indulge them in real life. There is NOTHING that makes the two of those hypothesis mutually exclusive.
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.09 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: corestwo
I would argue, however, that allowing oneself to make that choice, to pursue an action that some (or many) would view as "immoral" in a game, does not mean you would make the same choice in a RL situation.
And I would argue that if someone does not have any problem with scamming in theory, game or no, that the likelihood of them scamming in any situation where they thought they could get away with it would be SIGNIFICANTLY above average.
Just because there isn't an absolute, direct 1-to-1 correlation between the two doesn't mean there isn't any correlation.
I could see a nearly irrefutable argument that at least some increased risk is present, but I don't see any reason to conclude it's a significant increase. That's like saying there's a significant increase in the chances a shape is a square, if you've identified it's a rectangle. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:07:00 -
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Quote:
That's like saying there's a significant increase in the chances a shape is a square, if you've identified it's a rectangle.
Well, a connection exists though. If I can exclude it's a circle, ellipse or triangle etc. I am still in the terrain of infinite uncertainty but in a single infinite, not multiple infinites. Bleh this reminds me university math, Wenn diagrams and stuff . - Auditing & consulting
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.09.09 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Alt
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
If this sort of stuff crosses the boundries for you you might wanna get a new hobby....
Ya think? Well that's a very inciteful comment into this complex and interesting topic, but I think I'll stay for now. Looks like both Eve and RL could use some more pathologically honest folks.
Yes, I do think you should. In the end this is all part of the game, no rules were broken. If you really think this is some grey area between RL and fantasy you're not getting it.
Stealing/scamming is no different than blowing someone's ship up. Ship=isk. There simply is no moral difference. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist |
Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus LOL! Bobby = trash. Investors = fools.
I bought 10m in shares at the start of this IPO because I wanted a share in a scam, like a stated when the IPO was created.
BB was full of it, everyone knew it, people spouted it throughout the entire IPO thread. The dude literally stated the ONLY reason he doesn't scam is because it is worth it not to - to the tune of a trillion isk.
Yet another major failure on the part of the trustees and "trusted" MD community. It was a complete scam and at least one of them helped in the scam. The fact that three (right?) of the trustees can claim that they had nothing to do with the scam makes it so none of them will accept any blame.
People honestly didn't wonder why he kept "expanding" the IPO. It was so incredibly obvious he was pumping it for everything it was worth.
So... I told you so?
-GV
In my opinion the key to this scam was that in almost every way Bobby was NOT full of it. The Titan BPC market wasn't particularly lucrative, but Bobby ran the shop so smoothly and with such professionalism that people simply ignored that. He convinced everyone that the business was both stable and scalable not by trickery, but by running things as well as anyone could expect things to be ran.
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Whettam
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus LOL! Bobby = trash. Investors = fools.
I bought 10m in shares at the start of this IPO because I wanted a share in a scam, like a stated when the IPO was created.
BB was full of it, everyone knew it, people spouted it throughout the entire IPO thread. The dude literally stated the ONLY reason he doesn't scam is because it is worth it not to - to the tune of a trillion isk.
Yet another major failure on the part of the trustees and "trusted" MD community. It was a complete scam and at least one of them helped in the scam. The fact that three (right?) of the trustees can claim that they had nothing to do with the scam makes it so none of them will accept any blame.
People honestly didn't wonder why he kept "expanding" the IPO. It was so incredibly obvious he was pumping it for everything it was worth.
So... I told you so?
-GV
In my opinion the key to this scam was that in almost every way Bobby was NOT full of it. The Titan BPC market wasn't particularly lucrative, but Bobby ran the shop so smoothly and with such professionalism that people simply ignored that. He convinced everyone that the business was both stable and scalable not by trickery, but by running things as well as anyone could expect things to be ran.
Exactly. The most successful scams to date were the result not of pretending to run a business, but by actually running it and waiting for the ADHD MD guard to fall asleep.
The fact is, while 2%/month isn't lucrative by MD standards, it's better than nothing if the isk is otherwise sitting in your wallet. 400 billion making 2%/month is creating 8 billion isk's worth of wealth every month. If you're confident in the security, then putting that isk to work making billions/month makes sense.
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.09 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: corestwo
I would argue, however, that allowing oneself to make that choice, to pursue an action that some (or many) would view as "immoral" in a game, does not mean you would make the same choice in a RL situation.
And I would argue that if someone does not have any problem with scamming in theory, game or no, that the likelihood of them scamming in any situation where they thought they could get away with it would be SIGNIFICANTLY above average.
Just because there isn't an absolute, direct 1-to-1 correlation between the two doesn't mean there isn't any correlation.
I could see a nearly irrefutable argument that at least some increased risk is present, but I don't see any reason to conclude it's a significant increase. That's like saying there's a significant increase in the chances a shape is a square, if you've identified it's a rectangle.
I would certainly concede that your position is reasonable. I disagree with the estimation that the increase is negligible (if you are taking that position), but since it is a judgment call with no evidence that I am aware of backing up either side, we may just have to agree to disagree.
The only reasoning I have to back up my position is that: 1. I am completely normal, most people are like me. 2. I would feel guilty designing and executing a scam like the one BB did. 3. I would not execute a scam like this because the guilt would bother me more than earning the ISK myself.
... for a conclusion of: 4. Most people would rather earn their ISK themselves than deal with the guilt from a scam.
Yes, I know. Assumption #1 has a hole you could drive a bus through, but hey... I can't exactly survey everybody in the world to find out if I AM average.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.09 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 09/09/2010 19:05:38
Originally by: Berikath 4. Most people would rather earn their ISK themselves than deal with the guilt from a scam.
Most people don't try to launch offerings on MD either.
edit: I think you don't want to make a statement about "average people" but about a specific population - the group of (potential) business managers on MD (upon reconsideration I might be wrong with this assumption). As this population is not chosen randomly but self-selects and one of the possible driving factors behind selection into that group is the intention to scam at some further point, statements about "most people" or "average persons" don't necessarily apply.
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.09.09 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Yes, I do think you should. In the end this is all part of the game, no rules were broken. If you really think this is some grey area between RL and fantasy you're not getting it.
Stealing/scamming is no different than blowing someone's ship up. Ship=isk. There simply is no moral difference.
It's funny that I keep hearing that, because I get it quite well. I simply disagree. As I already stated, my opinion is that the scale is relevant. Of course blowing up ships is what the game is about. We all know this. When you joyfully scam a lot of folks for what clearly has a huge equivalent monetary value, I call your personal ethics into question.
If I gave a person my trust, in game or not, and he skated with the isk equivalent of $4000 that I could have used to buy PLEXs... And laughs about it... Well, not being a rich person, that means something to me. I do not buy that a person who does it has a sterling character simply because the medium he used to scam was a game. Because the scale matters.
I didn't say game-scamming should be stopped. I didn't say it should be illegal. I said I believe it is probably a reflection of your real character.
Dead horse beaten.
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.10 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Alt
It's funny that I keep hearing that, because I get it quite well. I simply disagree. As I already stated, my opinion is that the scale is relevant. Of course blowing up ships is what the game is about. We all know this. When you joyfully scam a lot of folks for what clearly has a huge equivalent monetary value, I call your personal ethics into question.
If I gave a person my trust, in game or not, and he skated with the isk equivalent of $4000 that I could have used to buy PLEXs... And laughs about it... Well, not being a rich person, that means something to me. I do not buy that a person who does it has a sterling character simply because the medium he used to scam was a game. Because the scale matters.
I didn't say game-scamming should be stopped. I didn't say it should be illegal. I said I believe it is probably a reflection of your real character.
Dead horse beaten.
but your an idiot and I can come on here and say so because in real life i'd be to polite to point that fact out. our actions in game or on forums have little or no reflection on who we are in real life.
why do you think there was so much fuss about blizzard bring in there real ID system where everybody who posted on the forums posted under there real names. because in real life we have certain social boundies which we would not cross. but the net lets people act out what they'd like to say or do.
the net lets us play out our fantasys lets us be the bank robber or the hero. games like eve just give people the freedom to act as they like. that does not translate into acting as we would in real life.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.09.10 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Alt
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Yes, I do think you should. In the end this is all part of the game, no rules were broken. If you really think this is some grey area between RL and fantasy you're not getting it.
Stealing/scamming is no different than blowing someone's ship up. Ship=isk. There simply is no moral difference.
It's funny that I keep hearing that, because I get it quite well. I simply disagree. As I already stated, my opinion is that the scale is relevant. Of course blowing up ships is what the game is about. We all know this. When you joyfully scam a lot of folks for what clearly has a huge equivalent monetary value, I call your personal ethics into question.
If I gave a person my trust, in game or not, and he skated with the isk equivalent of $4000 that I could have used to buy PLEXs... And laughs about it... Well, not being a rich person, that means something to me. I do not buy that a person who does it has a sterling character simply because the medium he used to scam was a game. Because the scale matters.
I didn't say game-scamming should be stopped. I didn't say it should be illegal. I said I believe it is probably a reflection of your real character.
Dead horse beaten.
You talk about actions in-game reflecting on the external character of the player.
If you just sent someone "$4000" of ISK while aware you could very easily never see that ISK again, doesn't that just serve to reflect that you're as much of a sucker as you think the other party is a sinner?
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Red Armageddon
Caldari Mando'a Navy
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Posted - 2010.09.10 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Copy from AC post in T4U Thread
***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
Quoting for the sake of quoting. but mostly posting in an epic thread. Im impressed. nicely one. You submit complaints in handwritten triplicate with no less then 100 pages written with calligraphy pens and dot all the ôIös with hearts. |
Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.09.10 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bill Alt on 10/09/2010 01:16:05
Originally by: israus
but your an idiot and I can come on here and say so because in real life i'd be to polite to point that fact out. our actions in game or on forums have little or no reflection on who we are in real life.
I've been called that before, but I'm satisifed with being an honest one.
Incidently, you're in denial. You post who you are.
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.09.10 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty [You talk about actions in-game reflecting on the external character of the player.
If you just sent someone "$4000" of ISK while aware you could very easily never see that ISK again, doesn't that just serve to reflect that you're as much of a sucker as you think the other party is a sinner?
You are correct. Trust is bad.
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.10 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: Berikath Your character may be a "mass murderer" in game, but the actual action you're doing isn't equivalent to murder. It is more equivalent to taking somebody's lunch money. On some level, you enjoy having power over other people and demonstrating that power by harming them a little bit. I would say that this makes you MORE likely to abuse whatever power you get than someone who finds the notion reprehensible.
Since your hypothesis, carried to an extreme, leads to the whole "Violent video games cause people to go shoot up schools" idea that I find to be laughable at best, here is an alternative hypothesis.
In the "average" person, indulging their sadistic, sociopathic, or psychotic tendencies through a game makes it less likely that they'll go off and go do something like that IRL; essentially, the game is a safety valve, allowing one to blow off stress/tension/anger/whatever in any way they see fit. Only in people who really do have a problem (and such people tend to be statistical outliers) is that safety valve insufficient...or alternatively, only such people would think to themselves, "I wonder what doing this IRL would feel like."
Actually that brings up an interesting point I think: the desire to commit violent acts is primal, one of our 'base urges' as it were. People (espeically men) will feel the desire to destroy or hurt another person as some of their strongest emotions sometimes, after all it's biologically driven... but can you really say the same about being a confidence trickster?
Acting out simulated violence in video games surely acts as a safety valve as you say, but I'm unconvinced that scamming (and other forms of cheating {I use the term loosely}) is something that people are innately drawn to. Rather, in eve people are encouraged to scam, and those of a particular mindset find it suits them to do so, just like it does the con artists of the real world.
When it comes down to it, why is it ok to scam in eve?
1) It's encouraged? Ok, so that's motivation, doesn't say anything about it being right or wrong. 2) There's no rules against it? Legality =/= morality. 3) It's only fake money? This one is quite important to some, but I think overemphasized. While true, ISK still (obviously) has value, legal or not, a scammer is setting out to make personal gain by means of abusing people's trust. The gain they make isn't the issue, it's that it's wrong to abuse people's trust that matters. 4) There's no morality at play because this is just a game? Here I think we come to the actual matter...
For myself I have never been able to 'roleplay' a separate paradigm of ethical behaviour into existance for my dealings in eve, and I am very curious how one goes about it if morality is so flexible that you can invent it on the spot.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.09.10 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Alt
It's funny that I keep hearing that, because I get it quite well. I simply disagree. As I already stated, my opinion is that the scale is relevant. Of course blowing up ships is what the game is about. We all know this. When you joyfully scam a lot of folks for what clearly has a huge equivalent monetary value, I call your personal ethics into question.
Yet clearly you don't... Or maybe you think destroying one's cap fleet is immoral too? Since that's destruction of ISK on quite a large scale would you not say?
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Jypsie
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Posted - 2010.09.10 04:14:00 -
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Quote: For myself I have never been able to 'roleplay' a separate paradigm of ethical behaviour into existance for my dealings in eve, and I am very curious how one goes about it if morality is so flexible that you can invent it on the spot.
Its called "acting." Anthony Hopkins isn't really a genius with a taste for human flesh.
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.10 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Business Classy on 10/09/2010 04:28:46
Originally by: Jypsie
Quote: For myself I have never been able to 'roleplay' a separate paradigm of ethical behaviour into existance for my dealings in eve, and I am very curious how one goes about it if morality is so flexible that you can invent it on the spot.
Its called "acting." Anthony Hopkins isn't really a genius with a taste for human flesh.
he also doesn't have to pay for the privilege of using his particular skills, but that's rather beside the point, though I must say a nice rebuttal.
When you play a game you are technically 'acting' yes, but you're not really pretending in your head that the chess piece you're moving is actually a little Bishop with a very large mallet chipping away at that suspiciously small Tower.
What i'm getting at is that if you're blowing up an enemies ship you're not taking joy in something you're thinking of as anything like actual murder, you know full well that if you blow up someone's ship you're setting them back maybe an hour or two of gametime, and 'killing' them is nothing more than a quick teleportation system. An eve scam on the other hand isn't nearly as different from a RL scam as an eve murder is from an RL murder.
NOTE: to clarify my own possition, I'm glad there's scamming in eve, it's part of what makes the wild-west atmosphere of the game, and has attracted me and many others to the game to start with... But I maintain that the freedom to scam without consequences doesn't make the scam moraly neutral.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.10 07:44:00 -
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Quote:
the net lets us play out our fantasys lets us be the bank robber or the hero. games like eve just give people the freedom to act as they like. that does not translate into acting as we would in real life.
TBH you are proving the other guy's point.
Yours is a variation of the trite EvE motto: "I do this because I can".
Basically if you in RL behave honest etc. because laws / social conventions force you to, you have no merit. If left completely free you'd switch to being what you like and you'd turn in RL into what you are in EvE.
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But I maintain that the freedom to scam without consequences doesn't make the scam moraly neutral.
Complete freedom allows to show yourself for who you are.
It's hypocrisy and self-lying to pretend it's pure "acting", look at the Roleplay forum and how the RP is usually blatantly obvious and looks constructed and artificial. On the other side, the best scams are something acted in a way that looks congenial to the perpetrators. The "acted" scams like the acted RP usually show as such and quickly, and are promptly catched by the MD regulars.
Anyway, I am happy that EvE gives freedom to act in an honest or less honest way, but what I don't understand is how people can lie to themselves so hard, to be so much in denial vs their inner defects and flawed behaviors.
Fear of discovering yourself? - Auditing & consulting
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.10 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Anyway, I am happy that EvE gives freedom to act in an honest or less honest way, but what I don't understand is how people can lie to themselves so hard, to be so much in denial vs their inner defects and flawed behaviors.
Just as I can't understand why people are so determined to prove how much better than everyone else they are. Personally, they are the people I would never trust, as i would know they are always looking down their noses at us 'mere mortals'.
Do I have character flaws? Hell yes, and to be brutally honest, I don't believe anyone can say with a straight face that they don't. There is no such thing as an 'average' person, and depending on your own beliefs (flaws), you will find other peoples flaws more or less reprehensible.
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.10 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
TBH you are proving the other guy's point.
Yours is a variation of the trite EvE motto: "I do this because I can".
Basically if you in RL behave honest etc. because laws / social conventions force you to, you have no merit. If left completely free you'd switch to being what you like and you'd turn in RL into what you are in EvE.
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But I maintain that the freedom to scam without consequences doesn't make the scam moraly neutral.
Complete freedom allows to show yourself for who you are.
It's hypocrisy and self-lying to pretend it's pure "acting", look at the Roleplay forum and how the RP is usually blatantly obvious and looks constructed and artificial. On the other side, the best scams are something acted in a way that looks congenial to the perpetrators. The "acted" scams like the acted RP usually show as such and quickly, and are promptly catched by the MD regulars.
Anyway, I am happy that EvE gives freedom to act in an honest or less honest way, but what I don't understand is how people can lie to themselves so hard, to be so much in denial vs their inner defects and flawed behaviors.
Fear of discovering yourself?
doesn't prove his point at all because if in the real world there where no laws and no repecutions for our actions then we'd all act differently. thats the whole point because mankinds morality isnt enough to keep use in line.
but the fact is you still can't compare peoples actions in a game which has no impact on peoples real lives to how they'd act in the real world. the pirates on eve don't want to run off to the middle east to start high jacking ships. and the pvpers in eve don't want to start mobs to run round the streets bashig random peoples heads in. just because you get to act out your fantasys does not mean you'd turn into them.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.10 09:25:00 -
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but the fact is you still can't compare peoples actions in a game which has no impact on peoples real lives to how they'd act in the real world. the pirates on eve don't want to run off to the middle east to start high jacking ships. and the pvpers in eve don't want to start mobs to run round the streets bashig random peoples heads in. just because you get to act out your fantasys does not mean you'd turn into them
I like how when someone talks "scammer" people reply with "pirate". Pages ago I already drawn a line between pew pewing in a full PvP game vs conceiving intricate long term plans to screw up long term trusting friends. It's not the same thing, however you paint it.
Finally, I dare say that eventually getting tens of thousands of dollars by RMTing stolen ISK HAS impact on people real lives.
- Auditing & consulting
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Yet clearly you don't... Or maybe you think destroying one's cap fleet is immoral too? Since that's destruction of ISK on quite a large scale would you not say?
You clearly don't get the point. Trusting a lot of folks not to blow up your cap fleet?
Bad call. Really.
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.10 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I like how when someone talks "scammer" people reply with "pirate". Pages ago I already drawn a line between pew pewing in a full PvP game vs conceiving intricate long term plans to screw up long term trusting friends. It's not the same thing, however you paint it.
Finally, I dare say that eventually getting tens of thousands of dollars by RMTing stolen ISK HAS impact on people real lives.
please tell me where I said anything about pirates and scammers I was talking pirate in game to pirates in real life.
as for the real money trading I dare say CCP will be keeping and eagel eye on bobbys accounts and where the money goes from this so selling it to rmt venders probably wouldn't be the smartest thing to do. and saying that the stolen money being sold to rmt has impact on anybody but the person selling its life is crap. the only impact losing tens of billions of in game cash could possable having in real life is if that person was planning on selling it themselves and I assume your not supporting such a move.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Originally by: SencneS The whole morals in games equals morals in real life is stupidity personified...
People that play EVE as a Pirate, do not go out in real life and attack and kill people willy nilly.. They don't stand in dark allies with weapons and hold people ransom, and then kill them if they do or don't get their demands. It's morally wrong to kill someone in real life, yet billions of online avatars die every single day at the hands of people who have never committed a felony in any sovereign state anywhere in the world.
To say if someone steals something in a game, they are more apt to perform the same actions in real life is probably a sad sign of lack of intelligence or more the point lack of logical reasoning then anything else.
You seem to be missing the fact that since the invention of PLEX, you are stealing real life money from real life people. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
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