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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.06 04:31:00 -
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How europeans see the US is not so much on a state level, it's the coasts and the inland.
East coast, old money and old stuff in general, Florida being gators and geezers.
West coast, hippies, pot and posers, gangs come from here.
Inland, parades, church on sunday, groundhog 50s. A 'you point, we war!' mindset.
I didn't know Salem was on the west coast, pioneering backwards striving people, how very interesting.
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Fumitsugu
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Posted - 2010.09.06 07:02:00 -
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So I saw on TV that there are vampires in the Deep South. Is this true?
I think that most Europeans don't spare much thought for America as a country (unless you pay attention to the ridiculous level of coverage that BBC puts out. Sarah Palin's daughter splitting up with her fiance: front page news? Apparently.) but US foreign policy is often perceived as sledgehammer and arrogant, which is a little strange because all the Americans I've met have been fairly nice and down to earth people.
Interestingly the most off-putting people I've met all seem to come from Brazil, despite their touchy-feely foreign policy.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.06 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 06/09/2010 10:26:47 Most Americans are not interested in foreign policy whereas its elite is deeply so to continue it's global hegemoney.
As it happened to the British empire if you top dog in the world you are going to get a lot of emotions aginst that. Jealously, bitterness, annoyance at being clumsy. If USA did retrench then the EU would have to step up to the plate. Then the Euro's would have to increase milatery spending at the expense of welfare spending.
Problem USA has it that it is the first global power that does not do colonalism with foreign territory. But it does it economically. So it has a poor record in nation building. After the conquest of Iraq Donald Rumsfeld was given a 900 page report by the state department on how to rebuild Iraq. He just put that in the bin.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:16:00 -
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They forgot Ireland's border.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
The point of all of this is that what we're all known for isn't so far from the truth.
Almost all of it is miles off. Ignoramus!
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
I didn't know Salem was on the west coast, pioneering backwards striving people, how very interesting.
Salem is not in the West, I am sure they have a few towns called that but the famous one is Salem, MA here on the East Coast.
For how "young" the US is it is claimed that New England is one of the most haunted places on earth by those who do the ghost hunting thing.
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Rocktown
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:42:00 -
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I believe the salem you were looking for is in mass, unless I'm missing something. However the "hate witches" thing makes me think it was alluding to the witch trials.
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.06 17:03:00 -
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How Europeans view the US:
NYC: Gets blown up all the time Alabama: Human/vegetable population on the rise Texas: Shooting while driving drunk is allowed? California: Governator. The rest: Rednecks/hippies.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.06 22:59:00 -
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wow whoever made that remembered to put Slovenia on...
didn't know people knew we existed
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Posted - 2010.09.07 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake They forgot Ireland's border.
Meh, how it should be!
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.07 22:18:00 -
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I always figured this is a pretty accurate summation of how people in the US view the rest of the world. Take it to any Walmart or Target store and I bet 99% of the people there will agree with it.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 22:59:00 -
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Every country has their fair share of idiots like this. Unfortunately this is an example from my country
Slade
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Astenion
The point of all of this is that what we're all known for isn't so far from the truth.
Almost all of it is miles off. Ignoramus!
Really? MILES off? It's exaggerated, sure, but there is a little truth in it. Stereotypes wouldn't exist without a small amount of truth. Are you telling me that England is known for its cuisine, that Italy is known for its outstanding organization, and that the French are known to be a warm, sunny people? No, you're not. Just because you're a hypersensitive **** about it doesn't change the fact that SOME STEREOTYPES ARE TRUE. That doesn't mean you can broadbrush an entire people, however.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha How Europeans view the US:
NYC: Gets blown up all the time Alabama: Human/vegetable population on the rise Texas: Shooting while driving drunk is allowed? California: Governator. The rest: Rednecks/hippies.
After pondering this, I really can't explain it in a better way.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.09.08 11:13:00 -
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1) Yes. Stereotypes exist for a reason and generalizations are fine. What isn't fine is specifying from a generalization or generalizing from a specific. I.E. - You can say that dogs tend to have fur coats. Saying that because dogs tend to have 4 legs that all dogs have 4 legs is inaccurate as some of them have lost a leg or two. Saying that because a Collie has a long coat - that all dogs have long coats - is inaccurate.
2) Most cultures like to see themselves as being superior to other cultures - when they are merely different. That isn't to say that there aren't truly reprehensible aspects to certain cultures - merely that what is reprehensible can be more a matter of what you're accustomed to than an absolute.
3) By definition, 50% of humanity is below average intelligence. This is true regardless of borders. You have stupid people everywhere.
4) At various points in time, various countries were the Microsoft of the World. They were each hated in turn by those who wanted their country to be the Microsoft and resented the hell out of the fact that they weren't.
5) The United States of America - Saved Europe during WWI. The United States of America - Saved Europe during WWII. The United States of America - saved Europe from WWIII. No good deed goes unpunished.
6) Yes. The Chinese will probably be running things in 50 years. See how you like that.
7) If the USA retrenches - Europe will not pick up the slack. The Europeans feel that they have done their bit - and - the rest of the world can just go to hell. Right now ... the USA feels that with great power - comes great responsibility (yes - that is from Spiderman) and is sending it's sons and daughters off to foreign lands to try to keep things from going to hell. When we get tired of doing that too - we'll just see if the Chinese pick up the slack (a hint: they won't) or if the rest of the world just goes to hell in a hand basket (hint: it will). So - if you live in a third world country - just stand by for the world around you to turn to ****. Death and destruction will run rampant - the Four Horsemen will be set free - and the fat, lazy, arrogant industrialized nations of the world will sit on their asses watching the poor little 3rd Worlders die on TV and think ... "Someone should do some thing about that ... Oops - my show is on!"
8) 'Cause - you see - the USA & Europe (and the rest of the industrialized nations of the world) have a lot more in common than they like to think. We are all fat, lazy rich people by world standards. None of us has anything in common but the basic functionality of our bodies - with most of the people who live on this planet - and - when their lives are all going right down the ****ter in the not so distant future - and none of us do a damn thing to help them - they'll hate frakking all of us.
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Fumitsugu
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Posted - 2010.09.08 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.
Corrected.
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Zarflax Zeeblebrox
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.08 12:11:00 -
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Excellent troll OP. 20/1. |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.08 13:43:00 -
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What Toshiro said about a vac****of power if USA withdraws has a lot of truth. USA does operate, as any superpower world with divide and rule. But if they actually did pull back it could be a case of better the devil you know for western interests.
The quickest effect of US retrenchment would be the proliferation of nuclear weapons in many lesser states.
And with USA's strategic economic model based around high milatery spending it pays a social price with higher crime and poverty for those at the bottom of the pile. Although the percentage of taxation to GDP has crept up a fair bit recently.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:13:41 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:12:34 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:06:52
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.
Corrected.
Here's a clue: WW2 was a world war, not a European war. You DO know that there was more than one front, right? That we toppled both the German AND Japanese militaries, right? We were attacked by Japan, so we retaliated while Europeans were still sitting around eating olives and complaining that someone should do something about the Germans. You seem to forget that we were fighting wars in two different hemispheres. Do you really think that you could've beaten the Germans without American help, and if so, would you have preferred the Russians in the aftermath? If so, you're simply delusional. Please forgive us for not coming to your rescue soon enough and saving what was left of your continent from both fascism and communism...send us the bill.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:14:00 -
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The British are a cultured people with an international outlook on life, we understand that America is just one part of the world.
The funny thing about generalizations is how they are true and false at the same time. While in the states I did meet a lot of fat yanks and rednecks but the stereotypes start falling apart when you talk to individuals.
Intelligent red necks, hippies who don't smoke pot and humvee driving socialists are among the oddities of the American population. Long may these oddities continue _______
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat The British are a cultured people with an international outlook on life, we understand that America is just one part of the world.
The funny thing about generalizations is how they are true and false at the same time. While in the states I did meet a lot of fat yanks and rednecks but the stereotypes start falling apart when you talk to individuals.
Intelligent red necks, hippies who don't smoke pot and humvee driving socialists are among the oddities of the American population. Long may these oddities continue
This is very true. In the US there are no labels or cultures in which to follow...be anything you want. The longer I live in Europe the more everyone seems so compartmentalized.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Please forgive us for not coming to your rescue soon enough and saving what was left of your continent from both fascism and communism...send us the bill.
Apology accepted on the understanding that you won't be so late in future :)
BTW You did send us the bill and as far as I know we're still repaying it. _______
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:23:00 -
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I watched a tv program years ago that talked to American rednecks. One of them simply said 'education is good n'all but I need to know how to skin a chicken and cook it more than learning physics'.
I think the morale of that is there is much to be said for living of the land. Urban people are more wanting, fickle and spoilt.
I think someone who lives in a big city will have more common perspectives with someone else from another country in a big city than someone who lives off the land in their own country.
Imo progress is three steps forward and one step back. We mostly gain but we also loose something for the sake of progress.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:28:17
Originally by: yani dumyat
Originally by: Astenion
Please forgive us for not coming to your rescue soon enough and saving what was left of your continent from both fascism and communism...send us the bill.
Apology accepted on the understanding that you won't be so late in future :)
BTW You did send us the bill and as far as I know we're still repaying it.
We'll be sure to call in beforehand in case we're stuck in traffic.
I'd really love to see our pseudo-empire retract most of its forces around the globe and have the US go back into a sort of hibernation state. I understand the need for forward deployment of forces but this is 2010 and Europe is no longer the continent it was; in many ways it has surpassed the US in just about every facet except for economic might...however, the EU isn't so far behind.
It's a shame that the only Americans Europeans see are fat tourists and military bases...not that there's a whole helluva lot in the US to see, .
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:30:40
Originally by: Vogue I watched a tv program years ago that talked to American rednecks. One of them simply said 'education is good n'all but I need to know how to skin a chicken and cook it more than learning physics'.
I think the morale of that is there is much to be said for living of the land. Urban people are more wanting, fickle and spoilt.
I think someone who lives in a big city will have more common perspectives with someone else from another country in a big city than someone who lives off the land in their own country.
Imo progress is three steps forward and one step back. We mostly gain but we also loose something for the sake of progress.
Vogue, you always seem to hit the nail on the head with your posts. Bravo!
Education, or lack of it rather, is truly going to be the downfall of the US.
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Fumitsugu
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Posted - 2010.09.08 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:13:41 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:12:34 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:06:52
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.
Corrected.
That we toppled both the German AND Japanese militaries, right? We were attacked by Japan, so we retaliated while Europeans were still sitting around eating olives and complaining that someone should do something about the Germans.
You see, I wasn't being serious. But you undermined the validity of your argument with the above statements. We're more or less on the same page, Astenion. I just dislike the word "save" when discussing history. It's a bit too Lord of the Ringsy
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Charles Baker
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Posted - 2010.09.08 20:34:00 -
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What the hell is with all these Misguided Americans who thought they won WW1? Seriously read the history books it was the British blockade which broke imperial Germany by literally starving them out. And WW2 Dont get me started, Americans think they were the only ones fighting the Japanese, the British had fleets in the pacfic we were fighting campaigns to defend our colonial assets, Hell no American knew the terror of being attacked on home terriatory on a daily basis (Pearl harbour does not compare to the continual Air raids over britain) Russia paid in blood their contribution to defeating Germany with the highest casualties of any country involved, they were the ones who captured Berlin, And no sooner did you realise them as a threat you turned potential allies into enemies by alienating them. You speak of preventing the world from descending into chaos? its all perspective, sitting here in Britain i fail to see how invading Iraq benefitted anyone, secondly its none of your business to enforce your view of democracy on the world, if the people of countries do not rise up to remove dictators themselves then they do not deserve freedom. And lets be blunt, when Britain was all Empiring the **** out of the rest of the world, we atleast had the decency to lie and say we were civilising the locals, all you do is invade random nations for no reason, **** on UN mandates and drag your allies into stupid proxy wars over resources which actually increase the cost of oil instead of reducing it.
TL;DR: the USA will one day start WW3 with its insatiable thirst of other peoples resources and enforcing its views on the world, i for one hope this ends in utter humiliation for this Imperialistic and hegemonic 'Superpower'
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.
by colonial efforts you mean massacre all natives and enslave everyone else?
...wait, you thought that was our idea? ♥
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Charles Baker
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Posted - 2010.09.08 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.
by colonial efforts you mean massacre all natives and enslave everyone else?
...wait, you thought that was our idea?
No we just send the Irish in to outbreed the locals.
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Thuranni
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:19:00 -
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I don't think the average European is going to even know or care about the characteristics of each the American states. Speaking as a European, the US is broadly categorized into "The East Coast", "The West Coast", and "The South", mostly because I'm completely ignorant of any of the finer details.
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