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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:21:00 -
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Why does WWII have to be brought into this and who won it? If the Axis started out flanking Russia, that'd have been screwed. If they flanked the States first, US woulda been screwed. But.. their own personal egotistical views and ideas got in the way and Japan went with a southern asia fan approach and germany/italy went 360. Which lead to their defeat when ALL nations worked together to beat them down. Would Russia have faired as well towards the end if the States didn't dump several hundred thousand troops on Germany's western flank to deal with? And vice versa? Same for the Japanese front. It.. was.. a.. WORLD war. The end result was the cold war which was actually a good thing. Simply look at graphs and the decline in the amount of worldwide deaths from warfare since 1945 on compared to before. But there is the bad result.. besides East/West Germany mess, there was Israel, Egypt, yada-yada and what we have now because of what was created at that moment in history (thank you brits, altho I understand it was under good intentions and no one had a clue what would come of it).
As for the original point of the topic. Both sides do the same ****. You say this, we say that.. all based upon stereotypes, our politic views, and how the media feeds us and what we CHOOSE to take in. Both sides are guilty of making assumptions, most of the time simply to make a point cause they feel their view point is important enough to warrent a response. Really.. both sides are just selfishly promoting their own ideas because they are smarter and more 'clued' in, and thus their view is right.. **** everyone else. Whooopity..
Good ole Pride. I have pride for my country, and I respect anyone else that does for their own as well. Pride. Good ole Pride's self replicating arrogance of 'right n wrong'. Is what it is, and we're all just branches growing off the same tree.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Charles Baker
No we just send the Irish in to outbreed the locals.
Surely you mean create mass resentment in Scotland, Ireland and Wales by starving and evicting the gaelic communities then throwing them on ships and hoping for the best? Saor Alba.
An unforeseen consequence of this is that whiskey became one of the more destructive tools of colonization, particularly among native americans. With the natives out the way it was the Spanish we had to out breed, only time will tell on that one.
That may sound like a harsh way of looking at America but people thought about the world differently in those days.
Both Europe and America have grown up a lot since the "founding fathers" (A hideous phrase in itself) created the United States but we still act like teenagers, no UK school history text will tell us how many people died in British concentration camps and Henry the 8th is remembered for chopping off heads rather than systematically starving those damn northerners.
We are still growing up and as such we are afraid of ourselves, I will know that the UK and America have passed puberty when the rich and ancient history of our native cultures is taught in schools and every child leaves school with a basic understanding of the relationship between war and commodity prices.
Hmm, that turned in to a rant. On a lighter note rednecks were probably an unforeseen consequence of colonization. Fortunately we kept the talented ones for ourselves ^_^ _______
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Umega stuff
10/10 Good rant :) _______
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Umega rant
Just treat these kids as the same idiots who really believe that all other politicians/parties/systems are corrupt and evil, and only the one they support is "good". ♥
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:31:00 -
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Ireland was awesome, I'm going to Rome for a week in October. Europeans seem nice enough, definitely more polite than my fellow Americans. Europe is what America should be socially, America is what Europe should be militarily.
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Charles Baker
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic Ireland was awesome, I'm going to Rome for a week in October. Europeans seem nice enough, definitely more polite than my fellow Americans. Europe is what America should be socially, America is what Europe should be militarily.
/This
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:13:41 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:12:34 Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:06:52
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.
Corrected.
That we toppled both the German AND Japanese militaries, right? We were attacked by Japan, so we retaliated while Europeans were still sitting around eating olives and complaining that someone should do something about the Germans.
You see, I wasn't being serious. But you undermined the validity of your argument with the above statements. We're more or less on the same page, Astenion. I just dislike the word "save" when discussing history. It's a bit too Lord of the Ringsy
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni I don't think the average European is going to even know or care about the characteristics of each the American states. Speaking as a European, the US is broadly categorized into "The East Coast", "The West Coast", and "The South", mostly because I'm completely ignorant of any of the finer details.
No no, don't worry; you're not ignorant of anything. That pretty much summed up the US.
There's a big canyon, some nice mountains, lots of tall buildings spread apart by hundreds of miles, a few nice beaches, and too many people who have no clue about anything but what's in their own back yard. That's about it. The "culture" is merely pop culture.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:10:00 -
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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.
Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.
Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.
Hope you have plenty of mace ♥
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:15:00 -
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The fact is, unless you live in some dirt poor third world country, the US isn't a step up from other places; in most instances it's a step down. The education system is in the ****ter, crime is rampant, and the quality of life has seriously gone downhill.
The only thing in my opinion that would have any draw for Europeans to live in the US would be higher salaries and more convenience. Seriously. When I think about the things I miss about the US, it's either pay or 7-11. That's it.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Zedic Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.
Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.
Hope you have plenty of mace
I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble..
LOL...
Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this.
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Zedic Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.
Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.
Hope you have plenty of mace
I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble..
LOL...
Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this.
It's probably because you look like you could eat someone's face, no matter how nice of a person you are! I definitely wouldn't want to get on yer bad side!
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Lia'Vael
Caldari Migrant Fleet
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:33:00 -
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Theres something a bit wrong with your view of Wisconsin, we're not strange you're the strange one.
We have the best bar food of anywheres.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion It's probably because you look like you could eat someone's face, no matter how nice of a person you are! I definitely wouldn't want to get on yer bad side!
aw shucks...
I'm a teddy bear. mostly.
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
vulnevia
The Exploited. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:20:00 -
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Americans are all pork and fat :D Hey I saw it on Dirty Jobs; you fried pork fat in pork fat. |
RiskyFrisky
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.
Being American, I think Britain needs another good ass kicking to show them who's boss. ;P _
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vulnevia
The Exploited. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.
Being American, I think Britain needs another good ass kicking to show them who's boss. ;P
Do you even know who's you boss? :D |
RiskyFrisky
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: vulnevia
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.
Being American, I think Britain needs another good ass kicking to show them who's boss. ;P
Do you even know who's you boss? :D
Obama. Ohh God, you're right D: _
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vulnevia
The Exploited. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.09 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Obama. Ohh God, you're right D:
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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2010.09.09 02:30:00 -
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After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.
Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.09 03:06:00 -
[82]
New Mexico should say; 'Here be jesushorses!'
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Horace Lankenveil
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.
Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?
Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them, and unfortunately, the people that get the most air-time under the world media spotlight in America are crazy. Most Americans, like myself, don't give a crap about the Tea Party Movement, what other religions do, or having solid proof that our president was born in the United States. Most of us just go about our lives trying to make a living and trying not to be jerks to one another (just like the majority of everyone else in the world).
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.09 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
Corrected.
Lend-Lease.
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RiskyFrisky
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:02:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Horace Lankenveil
Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.
Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?
Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them, and unfortunately, the people that get the most air-time under the world media spotlight in America are crazy. Most Americans, like myself, don't give a crap about the Tea Party Movement, what other religions do, or having solid proof that our president was born in the United States. Most of us just go about our lives trying to make a living and trying not to be jerks to one another (just like the majority of everyone else in the world).
You sir, just won an internets. _
Starcakes are the answer to life. |
RiskyFrisky
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:05:31 Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:04:54
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
Corrected.
Lend-Lease.
Russia got to Berlin first because the U.S./Britain/Russia had an agreement to let Russia take Berlin.
Lurn ur historeeee. _
Starcakes are the answer to life. |
RiskyFrisky
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Thuranni I don't think the average European is going to even know or care about the characteristics of each the American states. Speaking as a European, the US is broadly categorized into "The East Coast", "The West Coast", and "The South", mostly because I'm completely ignorant of any of the finer details.
No no, don't worry; you're not ignorant of anything. That pretty much summed up the US.
There's a big canyon, some nice mountains, lots of tall buildings spread apart by hundreds of miles, a few nice beaches, and too many people who have no clue about anything but what's in their own back yard. That's about it. The "culture" is merely pop culture.
Don't forget about us Floridians ;~; We have Disney Land, bush Gardens and Universal Studios. //NASA *Cough* _
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 09/09/2010 13:14:24 Wiki:-
No plans were made by the Western Allies to seize the city by a ground operation.[24] U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower lost his interest in the race to Berlin and saw no further need to suffer casualties in attacking a city that would be in the Soviet sphere of influence after the war General Eisenhower foresaw excessive friendly fire if both armies attempted to occupy the city at once.[26] The major Western Allied contribution to the battle was the strategic bombing of Berlin during 1945.[27] During 1945 the United States Army Air Forces launched a number of very large daytime raids on Berlin, and for 36 nights in succession scores of RAF Mosquitos bombed the German capital, ending on the night of 20/21 April 1945 just before the Soviets entered the city.[28][/i]
The battle of Berlin was a huge bloodbath. Russian casulties was 361,367 men and for the Germans 937,378 men.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Horace Lankenveil
Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.
Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?
Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them, and unfortunately, the people that get the most air-time under the world media spotlight in America are crazy. Most Americans, like myself, don't give a crap about the Tea Party Movement, what other religions do, or having solid proof that our president was born in the United States. Most of us just go about our lives trying to make a living and trying not to be jerks to one another (just like the majority of everyone else in the world).
That is thanks to the media only pumping out what gets ratings, which is well crazies. Take that Westboro Baptist Church for example, they are like Internet Trolls when you think about it. they are fueled by attention to go protest nearly anything their crazy little minds can imagine. In fact I'd bet half the crazies in this country and the world to be honest do what they do knowing the public will eat it up.(Tabloids in the UK and US are another example of this)
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.09 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Wendat Huron on 09/09/2010 14:43:43
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.
Corrected.
Lend-Lease.
Russia got to Berlin first because the U.S./Britain/Russia had an agreement to let Russia r4p3 Berlin.
Lurn ur historeeee.
Fixed the post for you.
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