Originally by: Marko Riva

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Edited by: Marko Riva on 04/09/2010 14:08:33
Second one is definitely off, I don't think the average Euro sees all the states independently. They might class them as such

- California : movies, arnie
- Nevada: las vegas, here you lose your money
- Florida: drugs, old folks
- NYC: NYC (what, it's in a state?)

rest of the USA is dumb****, redneck, 250KG McDonalds ****s.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: CCP Adida

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The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.

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Originally by: Vogue

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Edited by: Vogue on 04/09/2010 22:30:49The right in USA has decided to stigmatise muslims as sharp toothed blood drinking pirates. Well that is stupid and 1 billion muslims on this planet are not going to vanish down a rabbit hole.

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Originally by: Cikulisuy

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there are no countries, only people. this nationalist caricaturing is funny when not serious, but the terrible thing is people still do this seriously. oh well. euros are nanny-state pansies with no sense of whats really important. also soccer. not football.

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Edited by: Grimpak on 05/09/2010 08:43:30

Originally by: Cikulisuy

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there are no countries, only people. this nationalist caricaturing is funny when not serious, but the terrible thing is people still do this seriously. oh well. euros are nanny-state pansies with no sense of whats really important. also soccer. not football.

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no, football, because we play the ball with the feet.


you guys play this egg thing with the hands and rarely use your foot to kick it.








but what am I talking about anyways. I'm portuguese, and apparently I'm spanish.

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Originally by: TimMc

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As a British-American hybrid, I enjoy trolling both sides in these debates.

In the end though, I think I prefer being British because I've spent my adult life here. America feels huge - food, people, cars, roads, distances, cities, everything. Europeans see this as a facet of American arrogance, but really America has been on top of the world for a while now so is allowed to have a self inflated opinion of itself. While Europe was repairing from WW2s devastation, America had benefited from the improved industry and flood of skilled immigrants. Soon though America will need to change as China or India take their place as superpowers.

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Originally by: Atticus Fynch

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How Americans see Europe

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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall

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Originally by: Atticus Fynch

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How Americans see Europe

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Never mind Americans, that's pretty much how Europeans view (its view btw, not see) Europe.

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Originally by: Astenion

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I live in Europe as well and I prefer this place to the US. The US was a great place to live years ago, but no more. The only way I'd return to the US to live would be if I were offered a job with at least a 6-figure salary. The US is the place you want to go if you want to be a lawyer, a doctor, or a banker.

If you simply want to enjoy life without having to worry about money, Europe is the place you want to be. However, you can't have both. Europeans want the salaries of Americans but they also want their 30 days per year paid vacation and guaranteed job contracts; you can't have your cake and eat it too. Conversely, Americans want to keep their high salaries but don't want to pay for a functioning health care system. Again, you can't have both.

In short, if you're ambitious, move to the US. If you don't care and you just want to live your life, stay in Europe.

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Originally by: dr doooo

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The one that bugs me is American's belief that the British have bad teeth. Americans have significantly higher levels of tooth decay than the British. Maybe they should spend a bit less on cosmetics (getting unfeasibly straight radioactively white teeth that end up looking like cheap dentures), and a bit more on dental healthcare. It's Americans who have abnormally bad teeth compared to the rest of the world

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Originally by: So Sensational

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Yeah the "Europe sees America" pic is way off, even though we normally have the "OMG americanye r fat n dumb" type of attitude we know way less than that picture shows. Maybe 1/4th of the states, at the most.

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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker

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Well brits dont have to worry if their job covers dental like we here in the US have our health care bound to corporate overlords. and sadly without torches and pitchforks I do not think we can change anything.

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Originally by: Astenion

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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall

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Originally by: Atticus Fynch

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How Americans see Europe

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Never mind Americans, that's pretty much how Europeans view (its view btw, not see) Europe.

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Haha so true! Europeans are a self-loathing bunch...it's just that they loathe everyone else as well, which is something Americans can't understand. Americans want to be liked by everyone and they get ****ed when they're not.

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Originally by: Alec Freeman

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Originally by: Astenion

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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall

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Originally by: Atticus Fynch

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How Americans see Europe

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Never mind Americans, that's pretty much how Europeans view (its view btw, not see) Europe.

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Haha so true! Europeans are a self-loathing bunch...it's just that they loathe everyone else as well, which is something Americans can't understand. Americans want to be liked by everyone and they get ****ed when they're not.

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Err... I think youll find Europeans arnt really a self loathing bunch because Europe is a CONTINENT made up of COUNTRYS which contain there own STATES/REGIONS, whereas USA (often refered to here as just America) is a COUNTRY made up of STATES. So lets say me being from Scotland think England is a bunch of stuck up pricks doesnt make me self loathing as its a completly different country im thinking of.

+ lolololol americans are fat n' stoopid

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Originally by: Astenion

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The point of all of this is that what we're all known for isn't so far from the truth.

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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I didn't know Salem was on the west coast, pioneering backwards striving people, how very interesting.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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They forgot Ireland's border.

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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rofl

edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

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Originally by: Borza Slavak

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Originally by: Astenion

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The point of all of this is that what we're all known for isn't so far from the truth.

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Almost all of it is miles off. Ignoramus!

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Originally by: Reiisha

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How Europeans view the US:

NYC: Gets blown up all the time
Alabama: Human/vegetable population on the rise
Texas: Shooting while driving drunk is allowed?
California: Governator.
The rest: Rednecks/hippies.

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.

The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.

The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.

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Corrected.

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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The British are a cultured people with an international outlook on life, we understand that America is just one part of the world.

The funny thing about generalizations is how they are true and false at the same time. While in the states I did meet a lot of fat yanks and rednecks but the stereotypes start falling apart when you talk to individuals.

Intelligent red necks, hippies who don't smoke pot and humvee driving socialists are among the oddities of the American population. Long may these oddities continue

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Originally by: Astenion

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Please forgive us for not coming to your rescue soon enough and saving what was left of your continent from both fascism and communism...send us the bill.

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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Originally by: Astenion

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Please forgive us for not coming to your rescue soon enough and saving what was left of your continent from both fascism and communism...send us the bill.

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Apology accepted on the understanding that you won't be so late in future :)

BTW You did send us the bill and as far as I know we're still repaying it.

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Originally by: Vogue

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I watched a tv program years ago that talked to American rednecks. One of them simply said 'education is good n'all but I need to know how to skin a chicken and cook it more than learning physics'.

I think the morale of that is there is much to be said for living of the land. Urban people are more wanting, fickle and spoilt.

I think someone who lives in a big city will have more common perspectives with someone else from another country in a big city than someone who lives off the land in their own country.

Imo progress is three steps forward and one step back. We mostly gain but we also loose something for the sake of progress.

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Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:13:41
Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:12:34
Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:06:52

Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.

The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.

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Corrected.

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That we toppled both the German AND Japanese militaries, right? We were attacked by Japan, so we retaliated while Europeans were still sitting around eating olives and complaining that someone should do something about the Germans.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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by colonial efforts you mean massacre all natives and enslave everyone else?





...wait, you thought that was our idea?

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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No we just send the Irish in to outbreed the locals.

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Originally by: Umega

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stuff

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Originally by: Umega

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rant

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Originally by: Zedic

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Ireland was awesome, I'm going to Rome for a week in October. Europeans seem nice enough, definitely more polite than my fellow Americans. Europe is what America should be socially, America is what Europe should be militarily.

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:13:41
Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:12:34
Edited by: Astenion on 08/09/2010 15:06:52

Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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5) The United States of America - joined the war in 1917 and didn't really contribute much, save for the indirect threat of an unwinnable war for Imperial Germany.

The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

The United States of America - got Europe into WWIII.

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Corrected.

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That we toppled both the German AND Japanese militaries, right? We were attacked by Japan, so we retaliated while Europeans were still sitting around eating olives and complaining that someone should do something about the Germans.

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You see, I wasn't being serious. But you undermined the validity of your argument with the above statements. We're more or less on the same page, Astenion. I just dislike the word "save" when discussing history. It's a bit too Lord of the Ringsy

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Originally by: Thuranni

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I don't think the average European is going to even know or care about the characteristics of each the American states. Speaking as a European, the US is broadly categorized into "The East Coast", "The West Coast", and "The South", mostly because I'm completely ignorant of any of the finer details.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.

Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: Zedic

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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.

Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.

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Hope you have plenty of mace

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Originally by: Zedic

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: Zedic

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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.

Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.

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Hope you have plenty of mace

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I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble..

LOL...

Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this.

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Originally by: Astenion

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It's probably because you look like you could eat someone's face, no matter how nice of a person you are! I definitely wouldn't want to get on yer bad side!

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Being American, I think Britain needs another good ass kicking to show them who's boss. ;P

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Originally by: vulnevia

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Being American, I think Britain needs another good ass kicking to show them who's boss. ;P

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Do you even know who's you boss? :D

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Obama. Ohh God, you're right D:

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Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey

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After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.

Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

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Corrected.

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Originally by: Horace Lankenveil

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Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey

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After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.

Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?

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Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them, and unfortunately, the people that get the most air-time under the world media spotlight in America are crazy. Most Americans, like myself, don't give a crap about the Tea Party Movement, what other religions do, or having solid proof that our president was born in the United States. Most of us just go about our lives trying to make a living and trying not to be jerks to one another (just like the majority of everyone else in the world).

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Originally by: So Sensational

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

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Corrected.

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Lend-Lease.

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Originally by: Astenion

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Originally by: Thuranni

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I don't think the average European is going to even know or care about the characteristics of each the American states. Speaking as a European, the US is broadly categorized into "The East Coast", "The West Coast", and "The South", mostly because I'm completely ignorant of any of the finer details.

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No no, don't worry; you're not ignorant of anything. That pretty much summed up the US.

There's a big canyon, some nice mountains, lots of tall buildings spread apart by hundreds of miles, a few nice beaches, and too many people who have no clue about anything but what's in their own back yard. That's about it. The "culture" is merely pop culture.

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Originally by: Horace Lankenveil

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Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey

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After seeing some of the crazy stuff coming from the US lately. Qur'an burning, fox news, community center fire bombing, the tea party, creationism in schools and many other things. I hereby invite the UN to move to London where you might be a bit safer from the madness.

Some of you guys really didn't learn anything did you?

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Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them, and unfortunately, the people that get the most air-time under the world media spotlight in America are crazy. Most Americans, like myself, don't give a crap about the Tea Party Movement, what other religions do, or having solid proof that our president was born in the United States. Most of us just go about our lives trying to make a living and trying not to be jerks to one another (just like the majority of everyone else in the world).

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Originally by: So Sensational

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

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Corrected.

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Lend-Lease.

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Russia got to Berlin first because the U.S./Britain/Russia had an agreement to let Russia r4p3 Berlin.

Lurn ur historeeee.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: Zedic

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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.

Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.

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Hope you have plenty of mace

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I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble..

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LOL...

Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this.

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:05:31
Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:04:54

Originally by: So Sensational

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?.

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Corrected.

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Lend-Lease.

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Russia got to Berlin first because the U.S./Britain/Russia had an agreement to let Russia take Berlin.

Lurn ur historeeee.

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Originally by: Horace Lankenveil

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Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them

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Originally by: Avyrix Sun

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Honestly, most Americans don't care about the rest of the world (myself included, although I would love to visit Japan one day ). Especially now since most of our foreign policy consists of baby-sitting other countries. Which like or not, means Europe as well.

So you can bad mouth Uncle Sam all you want, but at least someone has the balls to step up, and be grateful that someone does.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Edited by: Grimpak on 05/09/2010 08:43:30

Originally by: Cikulisuy

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there are no countries, only people. this nationalist caricaturing is funny when not serious, but the terrible thing is people still do this seriously. oh well. euros are nanny-state pansies with no sense of whats really important. also soccer. not football.

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no, football, because we play the ball with the feet.


you guys play this egg thing with the hands and rarely use your foot to kick it.

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Originally by: Anonimous Insanity

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Originally by: Avyrix Sun

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Honestly, most Americans don't care about the rest of the world (myself included, although I would love to visit Japan one day ). Especially now since most of our foreign policy consists of baby-sitting other countries. Which like or not, means Europe as well.

So you can bad mouth Uncle Sam all you want, but at least someone has the balls to step up, and be grateful that someone does.

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o rly? in what way is america babysitting Europe and other well-developed countries?

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Originally by: RentableMuffin

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no idea why handegg is called football though.

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Originally by: Jassie Lichous

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I think some posts in this thread shows why alot of **** taking goes on between the continents such as[.....]the americans who think that the US foriegn policy over the last decades is purely cause 'they just wanna help out these small countries with their problems to bring freedom across the world and the rest of the world would turn to **** if they didnt step in' is simply just silly

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Bull****! America's foreign policy is all to do with testicular fortitude and righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with the maintenance of the international power balance or neocolonialism. Bloody ungrateful Brits, who's paying for your queen?

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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We pay for our own queen but honestly I wish it would stop. We should look to France for leadership because if nothing else they know exactly how to deal with royalty.

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Originally by: baltec1

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The queen brings in more money to the uk than takes and tbh she has done a hell of a lot more good for the world than any government.

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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Originally by: Fumitsugu

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Bull****! America's foreign policy is all to do with testicular fortitude and righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with the maintenance of the international power balance or neocolonialism. Bloody ungrateful Brits, who's paying for your queen?

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Hey, stop pretending the US has a monopoly on mass murder and cultural destabilization as a means of acquiring natural resources. The UK's made a real f'ing mess of Nigeria in particular and Africa in general while profiting heavily from their natural resources and you can bet your last dollar that we'll leave Afghanistan with a swag bag full of minerals.

We pay for our own queen but honestly I wish it would stop. We should look to France for leadership because if nothing else they know exactly how to deal with royalty.

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Originally by: Roboplegic

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If it wasn't for the British, americans today would be speaking french or spanish.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: bitter teabagging wingnut

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Nice try, shame its not the tea partiers that are responsible for the crime rate in chicago.

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Everyone huh? What kind of people live in those areas, btw? Tea partiers and republicans?

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 10/09/2010 19:41:42

Originally by: Roboplegic

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If it wasn't for the British, americans today would be speaking french or spanish.

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Actually no, we'd be speaking German if it weren't for one vote, which kept our national language English.

And here's a link for my proof, even though this was off the top of my head: Proof

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Originally by: Delfana

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Edited by: Delfana on 10/09/2010 23:48:44

Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Being an American I see Europe as the ungrateful bastards of our sacrifices in WW1 and WW2 to save your sorry asses.

And don't give that excuse that you could have done it by yourself, no you couldn't have....Russia doesn't count they would have turned Europe into a Communist regime

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Originally by: Vogue

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Most Dutch are modestly very proud of their royal family.

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Originally by: Planks

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Well Europe is pretty tolerant of pikies, jews and homosexuals. As far as I know USA is pretty intolerant of those groups mainly due to an influence that cant be discussed here. But that's probably just media telling me what my govt wants me to think.

As for Iraq (again a subject that summons the mods) I believe that the USA and allies went in with the right intentions, but you can't enforce your views or civics on a country until it is ready to change. USSR's communism broke down under its own accord. Chinas relaxation of communist rule happened under its own momentum. The worlds civilisations are still centuries apart in their attitude to what we in the west currently think as 'correct'. (and please remember that centuries is a very short time in the modern human timeline). The best way in my opinion is to leave them to it.

OK so USA rid Iraq of a despot, but in doing so tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed. Had Iraq been left to its own devices they would have eventually progressed beyond that undoubtedly evil tyrant in their own time. Yes he was evil, but in his time only 100's to 1000's would have died rather than 10 to 100 thousands diening.

TL DR; let foreign states sort out their own problems in their own time. Less people with loves and lives die this way.

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Originally by: Planks

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Well Europe is pretty tolerant of pikies, jews and homosexuals. As far as I know USA is pretty intolerant of those groups mainly due to an influence that cant be discussed here. But that's probably just media telling me what my govt wants me to think.

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I believe that the USA and allies went in with the right intentions, but you can't enforce your views or civics on a country until it is ready to change. USSR's communism broke down under its own accord. Chinas relaxation of communist rule happened under its own momentum. The worlds civilisations are still centuries apart in their attitude to what we in the west currently think as 'correct'. (and please remember that centuries is a very short time in the modern human timeline). The best way in my opinion is to leave them to it.

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OK so USA rid Iraq of a despot, but in doing so tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed. Had Iraq been left to its own devices they would have eventually progressed beyond that undoubtedly evil tyrant in their own time. Yes he was evil, but in his time only 100's to 1000's would have died rather than 10 to 100 thousands dieing.

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Originally by: Planks

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TL DR; let foreign states sort out their own problems in their own time. Less people with loves and lives die this way.

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Originally by: Planks

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The worlds civilisations are still centuries apart in their attitude to what we in the west currently think as 'correct'.

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Originally by: Zedic

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The difference between "us" and "them" in Iraq was that we were trying to help the civilians. We would never use them as meat shields, or strap bombs to women, children, or blow ourselves up in crowded market places.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: Zedic

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Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City.

Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is *the* ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans.

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Hope you have plenty of mace

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I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble..

LOL...

Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this.

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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Confirming that I am the best poster.

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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon

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For he who ventures beyond the south loop is in for a nasty, nasty surprise.

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Originally by: Zedic

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@Yani - It's sounds plausible. Certainly you and I didn't wish for it, but when evil people are in power, they will do evil things. And they were put there by scared, ignorant (and perhaps evil as well) people. The Bush family and his associates capitalized on our fear, they talked us into signing our rights away, and used the power we gave them to wage war.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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What the hell is with all these Misguided Americans who thought they won WW1? Seriously read the history books it was the British blockade which broke imperial Germany by literally starving them out. And WW2 Dont get me started, Americans think they were the only ones fighting the Japanese, the British had fleets in the pacfic we were fighting campaigns to defend our colonial assets, Hell no American knew the terror of being attacked on home terriatory on a daily basis (Pearl harbour does not compare to the continual Air raids over britain) Russia paid in blood their contribution to defeating Germany with the highest casualties of any country involved, they were the ones who captured Berlin, And no sooner did you realise them as a threat you turned potential allies into enemies by alienating them. You speak of preventing the world from descending into chaos? its all perspective, sitting here in Britain i fail to see how invading Iraq benefitted anyone, secondly its none of your business to enforce your view of democracy on the world, if the people of countries do not rise up to remove dictators themselves then they do not deserve freedom. And lets be blunt, when Britain was all Empiring the **** out of the rest of the world, we atleast had the decency to lie and say we were civilising the locals, all you do is invade random nations for no reason, **** on UN mandates and drag your allies into stupid proxy wars over resources which actually increase the cost of oil instead of reducing it.

TL;DR: the USA will one day start WW3 with its insatiable thirst of other peoples resources and enforcing its views on the world, i for one hope this ends in utter humiliation for this Imperialistic and hegemonic 'Superpower'

/endrant

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Originally by: Vonlutt

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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What the hell is with all these Misguided Americans who thought they won WW1? Seriously read the history books it was the British blockade which broke imperial Germany by literally starving them out. And WW2 Dont get me started, Americans think they were the only ones fighting the Japanese, the British had fleets in the pacfic we were fighting campaigns to defend our colonial assets, Hell no American knew the terror of being attacked on home terriatory on a daily basis (Pearl harbour does not compare to the continual Air raids over britain) Russia paid in blood their contribution to defeating Germany with the highest casualties of any country involved, they were the ones who captured Berlin, And no sooner did you realise them as a threat you turned potential allies into enemies by alienating them. You speak of preventing the world from descending into chaos? its all perspective, sitting here in Britain i fail to see how invading Iraq benefitted anyone, secondly its none of your business to enforce your view of democracy on the world, if the people of countries do not rise up to remove dictators themselves then they do not deserve freedom. And lets be blunt, when Britain was all Empiring the **** out of the rest of the world, we atleast had the decency to lie and say we were civilising the locals, all you do is invade random nations for no reason, **** on UN mandates and drag your allies into stupid proxy wars over resources which actually increase the cost of oil instead of reducing it.

TL;DR: the USA will one day start WW3 with its insatiable thirst of other peoples resources and enforcing its views on the world, i for one hope this ends in utter humiliation for this Imperialistic and hegemonic 'Superpower'

/endrant

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Xenophobic and ignorant, I can't wait until you are educated, somehow. Too much rubbish here to even attempt fixing.

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Originally by: Vonlutt

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Edited by: Vonlutt on 13/09/2010 02:13:01
Or, strive to become educated on topics you wish to speak about. For instance, there is a lot of good information in this thread, surprisingly. Utilize it instead of going with what your gut tells you to say.

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Originally by: Vonlutt

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Aside from your poor sentence structure, you should learn to, again, use information and facts instead of random rubbish you wish to spout. Has less to do with tolerance of other people's viewpoints, and more to do with your ignorance on issues you want to speak about. Quite frankly you come off as a complete moron, whereas some of the people who share the same opinions and ideas as you do, form cohesive and well thought out arguments to level at us.

TL:DR, you come off as a moron.


Done here, go forth and bring tolerance to the world.

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Originally by: Vonlutt

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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What the hell is with all these Misguided Americans who thought they won WW1? Seriously read the history books it was the British blockade which broke imperial Germany by literally starving them out. And WW2 Dont get me started, Americans think they were the only ones fighting the Japanese, the British had fleets in the pacfic we were fighting campaigns to defend our colonial assets, Hell no American knew the terror of being attacked on home terriatory on a daily basis (Pearl harbour does not compare to the continual Air raids over britain) Russia paid in blood their contribution to defeating Germany with the highest casualties of any country involved, they were the ones who captured Berlin, And no sooner did you realise them as a threat you turned potential allies into enemies by alienating them. You speak of preventing the world from descending into chaos? its all perspective, sitting here in Britain i fail to see how invading Iraq benefitted anyone, secondly its none of your business to enforce your view of democracy on the world, if the people of countries do not rise up to remove dictators themselves then they do not deserve freedom. And lets be blunt, when Britain was all Empiring the **** out of the rest of the world, we atleast had the decency to lie and say we were civilising the locals, all you do is invade random nations for no reason, **** on UN mandates and drag your allies into stupid proxy wars over resources which actually increase the cost of oil instead of reducing it.

TL;DR: the USA will one day start WW3 with its insatiable thirst of other peoples resources and enforcing its views on the world, i for one hope this ends in utter humiliation for this Imperialistic and hegemonic 'Superpower'

/endrant

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Xenophobic and ignorant, I can't wait until you are educated, somehow. Too much rubbish here to even attempt fixing.

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Point of view, you say i am Xenophonic and Ignorant, i believe theses Freedom spouting, "liberating" the world, and Raping the third world isn't exploitation types to be some of the most arrogant, and disrespectful people in the world, so my challenge to you? embody the freedom of speech you preach to be exporting to the oppressed around the world and cut the name calling to those who disagree, because by continuing to do so you just prove your imperialistic arrogance.

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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Originally by: Vogue

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Edited by: Vogue on 13/09/2010 14:33:57
Since WW2 the world has enjoyed a state of relative peace unknown prior to WW2. Nowadays leaders of countries want to make money with countries more than fight with them.

Although the old chestnut of peak oil could fuel a huge war. If we actually get to a point where demand for oil really does outstrip supply then that really will create negative sentiment.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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There was no old America before euros landed. There was just two huge land masses with thousands of tiny tribes of "indigenous" people who couldn't even bother inventing the wheel.

The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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There was no old America before euros landed. There was just two huge land masses with thousands of tiny tribes of "indigenous" people who couldn't even bother inventing the wheel.

The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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There was no old America before euros landed. There was just two huge land masses with thousands of tiny tribes of "indigenous" people who couldn't even bother inventing the wheel.

The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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And I live in Canada which makes Canada a lot more awesome.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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There was no old America before euros landed. There was just two huge land masses with thousands of tiny tribes of "indigenous" people who couldn't even bother inventing the wheel.

The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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Your ignorance and arrogance are astounding. Why should the Native Americans "invent the wheel"? And "tiny" tribes? You don't know the first thing about North American Native Tribes. Several Indian nations were FAR from "tiny".

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Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:52:54
Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:47:49

Some stuff...

Austria: Little Germany, lots of mountains, classical music. And? Again, where's the exaggeration? Austria's gorgeous but it's also boring as ****.

Some more stuff...

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Originally by: My Postman

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Edited by: My Postman on 14/09/2010 14:16:13

Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:52:54
Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:47:49

Some stuff...

Austria: Little Germany, lots of mountains, classical music. And? Again, where's the exaggeration? Austria's gorgeous but it's also boring as ****.

Some more stuff...

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Obvious Austrian reporting in:

You can call my country boring, don¦t mind, might be some truth in it.

But please, please for gods sake, dont call us LITTLE GERMANY

Edit: Supposing you¦re a US american i¦m happy that you don¦t think it¦s where the kangaroos live.

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Originally by: My Postman

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Edited by: My Postman on 14/09/2010 14:16:13

Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:52:54
Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:47:49

Some stuff...

Austria: Little Germany, lots of mountains, classical music. And? Again, where's the exaggeration? Austria's gorgeous but it's also boring as ****.

Some more stuff...

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Obvious Austrian reporting in:

You can call my country boring, don¦t mind, might be some truth in it.

But please, please for gods sake, dont call us LITTLE GERMANY

Edit: Supposing you¦re a US american i¦m happy that you don¦t think it¦s where the kangaroos live.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Originally by: yani dumyat

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*Colonial America - Question for those you in the states. I wanted to differentiate between the young country that has grown up since colonization and the old America which existed before Europeans landed. What is the correct term I should have used?

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There was no old America before euros landed. There was just two huge land masses with thousands of tiny tribes of "indigenous" people who couldn't even bother inventing the wheel.

The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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Your ignorance and arrogance are astounding. Why should the Native Americans "invent the wheel"? And "tiny" tribes? You don't know the first thing about North American Native Tribes. Several Indian nations were FAR from "tiny".

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Originally by: hurrhurr

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teh wheel isn't useful derp derp

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Originally by: Astenion

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Originally by: My Postman

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Edited by: My Postman on 14/09/2010 14:16:13

Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:52:54
Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:47:49

Some stuff...

Austria: Little Germany, lots of mountains, classical music. And? Again, where's the exaggeration? Austria's gorgeous but it's also boring as ****.

Some more stuff...

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Obvious Austrian reporting in:

You can call my country boring, don¦t mind, might be some truth in it.

But please, please for gods sake, dont call us LITTLE GERMANY

Edit: Supposing you¦re a US american i¦m happy that you don¦t think it¦s where the kangaroos live.

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I probably should've said "Little Bavaria"...of course I'm oversimplifying for effect. The cultures are similar, languages are the same aside from dialects, etc. I like Austria; it's nice, peaceful, and people are very friendly. I live about an hour and a half from Austria and regularly make trips to Klagenfurt, Villach, Graz, and occasionally Salzburg. Still yet to see Vienna.

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Originally by: Zedic

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Edited by: Zedic on 15/09/2010 05:21:50

Originally by: hurrhurr

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teh wheel isn't useful derp derp

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They had horses you knave. Sit down and be quiet.

@ the long dissertation over where the Natives came from:

They're natives as in they were here the longest and before the disease spreading genocidal European colonists showed up and pretty much wiped them out. It's interesting that a couple of you boobs consider them somehow less because they didn't invent the wheel. Possum face considers that reason enough for them to have been swept aside. In the interest of full disclosure, I am descended from the evil Euro colonists *and* the Natives who were already here (Creek Nation / Irish). Though I'm mostly of Irish descent, there's some Native blood on my father's side. sooooo

HALP HALP I'M BEING REPRESSED! by... myself.. I guess? o_O

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Originally by: My Postman

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Originally by: Astenion

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Originally by: My Postman

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Edited by: My Postman on 14/09/2010 14:16:13

Originally by: Astenion

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Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:52:54
Edited by: Astenion on 05/09/2010 02:47:49

Some stuff...

Austria: Little Germany, lots of mountains, classical music. And? Again, where's the exaggeration? Austria's gorgeous but it's also boring as ****.

Some more stuff...

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Obvious Austrian reporting in:

You can call my country boring, don¦t mind, might be some truth in it.

But please, please for gods sake, dont call us LITTLE GERMANY

Edit: Supposing you¦re a US american i¦m happy that you don¦t think it¦s where the kangaroos live.

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I probably should've said "Little Bavaria"...of course I'm oversimplifying for effect. The cultures are similar, languages are the same aside from dialects, etc. I like Austria; it's nice, peaceful, and people are very friendly. I live about an hour and a half from Austria and regularly make trips to Klagenfurt, Villach, Graz, and occasionally Salzburg. Still yet to see Vienna.

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I can perfectly live with Bavarian culture. Been there, done that. Actually i¦m a native from Klagenfurt.

@ Wendat Huron: Idiot, not quoting that.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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...The continent North America is covered by three nations. Canada, United States of America, and Mexico. The name America refers to the middle nation, North America refers to the continent as a whole.

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Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama. There you go, there's a few other nations in North America and that's only on the mainland.

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About the horse, it made its way up from Mexico to the plains long before any settlers got there so yes the natives had been re-introduced to the horse before the european settler push westward.

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They most certainly did NOT have horses before 1492. The North American horse went extinct many thousands of years before that.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:23:10
Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:19:12

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Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama. There you go, there's a few other nations in North America and that's only on the mainland.

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Commonly referred to as Central America...

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:23:10
Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:19:12

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Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama. There you go, there's a few other nations in North America and that's only on the mainland.

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Commonly referred to as Central America...

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Is it a continent on its own? No. Still filing under North America thank you for playing.

Although smart move re-labelling them something else, makes them easier to disassociate from and kill.

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Central America consists of the republics of Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama. Central America is part of the Mesoamerican biodiversity hotspot, which extends from Northern Guatemala through central Panama.[5]

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 13:05:30

Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:23:10
Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 12:19:12

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Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama. There you go, there's a few other nations in North America and that's only on the mainland.

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Commonly referred to as Central America...

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Is it a continent on its own? No. Still filing under North America thank you for playing.

Although smart move re-labelling them something else, makes them easier to disassociate from and kill.

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Yes, very smart. Is Canada down there killing someone now?
If not, I agree we probably should be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

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Central America consists of the republics of Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama. Central America is part of the Mesoamerican biodiversity hotspot, which extends from Northern Guatemala through central Panama.[5]

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Have a read and educate yourself. What AP said was in no way incorrect.
You ever hear of NAFTA? No? It's a free trade agreement for North American countries.
Guess which countries are in it.

Now, back to your trolling!

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Is it a continent? Until you load up a page on wikipedia stating those countries are on a continent called Central America I'm not impressed.

What countries are in NAFTA is a political decission, it has no bearing on geography. EU is European Union, yet not all countries in Europe are in it or will be, are they therefor not geographically in Europe?

You go educate yourself, your reasoning powers are severly lacking.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Is it a continent? Until you load up a page on wikipedia stating those countries are on a continent called Central America I'm not impressed.

What countries are in NAFTA is a political decission, it has no bearing on geography. EU is European Union, yet not all countries in Europe are in it or will be, are they therefor not geographically in Europe?

You go educate yourself, your reasoning powers are severly lacking.

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lol
look, it's not my fault you didn't know about Central America.

take a deep breath and stop being so mad, brosef.

I can give you a hug if it turns that frown upside down!

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Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: Riedle

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Is it a continent? Until you load up a page on wikipedia stating those countries are on a continent called Central America I'm not impressed.

What countries are in NAFTA is a political decission, it has no bearing on geography. EU is European Union, yet not all countries in Europe are in it or will be, are they therefor not geographically in Europe?

You go educate yourself, your reasoning powers are severly lacking.

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lol
look, it's not my fault you didn't know about Central America.

take a deep breath and stop being so mad, brosef.

I can give you a hug if it turns that frown upside down!

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I know that Mexico and the mentioned nations are referred to as Central America at times, yes you read it, Mexico too. That's still not the issue, they are not a continent separate from North America.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 16/09/2010 15:50:21

Originally by: Wendat Huron

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Originally by: Riedle

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Is it a continent? Until you load up a page on wikipedia stating those countries are on a continent called Central America I'm not impressed.

What countries are in NAFTA is a political decission, it has no bearing on geography. EU is European Union, yet not all countries in Europe are in it or will be, are they therefor not geographically in Europe?

You go educate yourself, your reasoning powers are severly lacking.

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lol
look, it's not my fault you didn't know about Central America.

take a deep breath and stop being so mad, brosef.

I can give you a hug if it turns that frown upside down!

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I know that Mexico and the mentioned nations are referred to as Central America at times, yes you read it, Mexico too. That's still not the issue, they are not a continent separate from North America.

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Well I don't see anyone said that central america wasn't part of the continent of North America.

On this side of the pond, when one refers to NA, we are referring to Mexico, USA & Canada. So your anxiousness to jump all over the Central American11!!!oneoneone and caribean countries reeks of trying WAY too hard.

lol

Now, how about a hug?

PS: generally Mexico is considered as part of North America, not Central America.
;)

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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As to the rise of monotheism over polytheism ... that is commonly considered a step in the right direction ... but I'm afraid I've forgotten all the reasons why.

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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

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There were no "natives" anywhere - because who do you define as getting here first?

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Originally by: Riedle

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Edited by: Riedle on 17/09/2010 12:15:39
Edited by: Riedle on 17/09/2010 12:15:06
Speaking for myself, I was not speaking of 'good' and 'bad'.
Although, I would much rather live in an agricultural society than a hunter gatherer one.
lol

In anycase, if you are talking about an agricultural society meeting up with a hunter gatherer society and do not mention disease and germs, you are only seeing a very narrow spectrum of what happened. The agricultural germs and diseases inherant because of animal domestication is estimated to have wiped out 90% of the pre-contact population in North America. Much the same probably happened (is still happening) in south America. This has happened all over the world throughout history.

Again, for anyone interested in this I recommend 'Guns Germs and Steel' by Jared Diamond.
It asks the question why the inhabitants of North America didn't discover and colonize Europe and sets out to answer that question.

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Originally by: TimMc

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As a British-American hybrid, I enjoy trolling both sides in these debates.

In the end though, I think I prefer being British because I've spent my adult life here. America feels huge - food, people, cars, roads, distances, cities, everything. Europeans see this as a facet of American arrogance, but really America has been on top of the world for a while now so is allowed to have a self inflated opinion of itself. While Europe was repairing from WW2s devastation, America had benefited from the improved industry and flood of skilled immigrants. Soon though America will need to change as China or India take their place as superpowers.

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Originally by: Aldor

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Originally by: TimMc

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As a British-American hybrid, I enjoy trolling both sides in these debates.

In the end though, I think I prefer being British because I've spent my adult life here. America feels huge - food, people, cars, roads, distances, cities, everything. Europeans see this as a facet of American arrogance, but really America has been on top of the world for a while now so is allowed to have a self inflated opinion of itself. While Europe was repairing from WW2s devastation, America had benefited from the improved industry and flood of skilled immigrants. Soon though America will need to change as China or India take their place as superpowers.

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The problem with any superpower is they get to self assured. Look at the Roman empire, Byzantine, Muslim, Victorian Empires, etc. They get too egotistic and believe that they are 'on top of the world' and someone comes along and proves them wrong. In matters of warfare is a good example. Roman, British, and now American soldiers began as ragtag guerilla warfare and evolved to a honor code and made up 'rules of war'. The American revolution was in part won by throwing those rules out the window. Just like today America is getting torn up by gorilla warfare because we're too stuckup to act like we used to. All's fair in love and war they say.

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Originally by: Capt Under

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More crap like the stuff before this ...

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts.

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Originally by: Open Orafice

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Forget bad Americans or bad Europeans. You haven't seen bad till you've seen french Canadians...

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Originally by: Open Orafice

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Forget bad Americans or bad Europeans. You haven't seen bad till you've seen french Canadians...

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Originally by: Charles Baker

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What the hell is with all these Misguided Americans who thought they won WW1? Seriously read the history books it was the British blockade which broke imperial Germany by literally starving them out. And WW2 Dont get me started, Americans think they were the only ones fighting the Japanese, the British had fleets in the pacfic we were fighting campaigns to defend our colonial assets, Hell no American knew the terror of being attacked on home terriatory on a daily basis (Pearl harbour does not compare to the continual Air raids over britain) Russia paid in blood their contribution to defeating Germany with the highest casualties of any country involved, they were the ones who captured Berlin, And no sooner did you realise them as a threat you turned potential allies into enemies by alienating them. You speak of preventing the world from descending into chaos? its all perspective, sitting here in Britain i fail to see how invading Iraq benefitted anyone, secondly its none of your business to enforce your view of democracy on the world, if the people of countries do not rise up to remove dictators themselves then they do not deserve freedom. And lets be blunt, when Britain was all Empiring the **** out of the rest of the world, we atleast had the decency to lie and say we were civilising the locals, all you do is invade random nations for no reason, **** on UN mandates and drag your allies into stupid proxy wars over resources which actually increase the cost of oil instead of reducing it.

TL;DR: the USA will one day start WW3 with its insatiable thirst of other peoples resources and enforcing its views on the world, i for one hope this ends in utter humiliation for this Imperialistic and hegemonic 'Superpower'

/endrant

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