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Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.	Posted - 2010.09.09 16:44:00 - [91] Originally by: Zedic Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Zedic Don't leave out the Midwest home of Chicago aka Caprica City. Chicago is a shining beacon of beauty, tolerance, improvement, and near total corruption. It is the ivory tower to which I will confine myself, should the nutbag "conservatives" resume power. And if they do, you might as well nuke us dear Europeans. Hope you have plenty of mace I've no need of mace. There are few teaparty / republican't douches running around Chicago to really cause much trouble.. Nice try, shame its not the tea partiers that are responsible for the crime rate in chicago. Quote: LOL... Living in the city (downtown) is not bad by any means. The worse areas for crime are the west side suburbs and south side. Everyone knows this. Everyone huh? What kind of people live in those areas, btw? Tea partiers and republicans? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.09 17:46:00 - [92] Originally by: RiskyFrisky Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:05:31 Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 09/09/2010 13:04:54 Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Fumitsugu Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk The United States of America - was late to WWII, and what about the Russian contribution (They got to Berlin first, right?)?. Corrected. Lend-Lease. Russia got to Berlin first because the U.S./Britain/Russia had an agreement to let Russia take Berlin. Lurn ur historeeee. Russia got to Berlin first because the Roman Empire fell, thus leading to a long chain of events that eventually led to WW2. The fall of the Roman Empire is about as much of a counter-argument as yours. u go lrn histori So again, Lend-Lease. The US saved the world, not with military might, but industrial.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.09 18:05:00 - [93] The industrial capacity of the USA was massive and it was a key to winning WW2. A Japanese admiral lamented this after they attacked pearl harbour. Also Russia's capability to churn out so many tanks in new manufacturing plants in eastern Russia was amazing. Though a big future war will be different from WW2 as far as milatery hardware resupply goes. High tech manufacturing is very specialised. If an air force say runs out of missiles it can't get a car factory to make more as it requires special composite materials and classified electronics. Though the Pentagon has a huge bureaucracy that studies all sorts of scenarios. They may have contingencies for resupply. ..................................................
Vak'ran	Posted - 2010.09.09 18:34:00 - [94] Originally by: Horace Lankenveil Most people in the world base their views on other cultures and countries based on what the media shows them Here we go, nail @ head. While there are some nice burst of insight here and there in this thread, something to be seen all over the internet being the nice new multipoint-injection medium it is, the majority of opinions and self appointed 'insights' in what people are like, are badly tainted by rather selective media. Not something that happens on purpose, it is an inherent property of 'media', which is no more than a convenient system that reports on our planet in nice bitesize fragments, with or without a dash of local political interest - the scope is far too great to take in for any mere mortal anyways. As a result humans do what humans do everywhere: over a common denominator, they really just tend to themselves and their immediate surroundings. We're simply not built for this global thinking thing (yet). In the mean time there are those who govern, through various systems, each claiming they have truth in hand and pretending more insight than everyone else, but in the end they are the same simple folk that the human race consists of. One can only aspire to take in as much valid information as possible to make as clear a picture of the global population as they are physically capable of. Sadly, even this rather simple motivation will never be on the minds of those 'running stuff', they have other concerns. Appreciating the scope of things versus our limited minds really makes all serious conversation in this thread rather moot. In the mean time, to touch upon another subject raised in here, I'd like to extend my gratitude towards Canada for kicking ze Germanz off our turf in the past. Yes, Canada Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum
Avyrix Sun	Posted - 2010.09.09 19:30:00 - [95] Honestly, most Americans don't care about the rest of the world (myself included, although I would love to visit Japan one day ). Especially now since most of our foreign policy consists of baby-sitting other countries. Which like or not, means Europe as well. So you can bad mouth Uncle Sam all you want, but at least someone has the balls to step up, and be grateful that someone does.
Anonimous Insanity	Posted - 2010.09.09 20:17:00 - [96] Originally by: Avyrix Sun Honestly, most Americans don't care about the rest of the world (myself included, although I would love to visit Japan one day ). Especially now since most of our foreign policy consists of baby-sitting other countries. Which like or not, means Europe as well. So you can bad mouth Uncle Sam all you want, but at least someone has the balls to step up, and be grateful that someone does. o rly? in what way is america babysitting Europe and other well-developed countries? http://www.minerwars.com/?aid=1456
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.09.09 20:53:00 - [97] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 05/09/2010 08:43:30 Originally by: Cikulisuy there are no countries, only people. this nationalist caricaturing is funny when not serious, but the terrible thing is people still do this seriously. oh well. euros are nanny-state pansies with no sense of whats really important. also soccer. not football. no, football, because we play the ball with the feet. you guys play this egg thing with the hands and rarely use your foot to kick it. have you seen the socks they wear, its called soccer for a reason! no idea why handegg is called football though.
Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.09.10 02:03:00 - [98] Edited by: Astenion on 10/09/2010 02:06:22 Edited by: Astenion on 10/09/2010 02:03:35 Originally by: Anonimous Insanity Originally by: Avyrix Sun Honestly, most Americans don't care about the rest of the world (myself included, although I would love to visit Japan one day ). Especially now since most of our foreign policy consists of baby-sitting other countries. Which like or not, means Europe as well. So you can bad mouth Uncle Sam all you want, but at least someone has the balls to step up, and be grateful that someone does. o rly? in what way is america babysitting Europe and other well-developed countries? Srsly. I loled
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.10 02:08:00 - [99] Originally by: RentableMuffin no idea why handegg is called football though. Too lazy to copy-pasta this damn thing, but after about 2 seconds after hitting "search" in google I found the answer Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Jassie Lichous	Posted - 2010.09.10 02:50:00 - [100] Don't forget about us Floridians ;~; We have Disney Land, bush Gardens and Universal Studios. //NASA Cough Being English but having spent a large part of my life in the USA (inc Hawaii and Guam! Colonies maybe?) and alot of time in Florida (Go Bucs/Lightning!) I think you will find that Disney WORLD is in Florida and Disney LAND is in California, how a local could get that wrong i dont know!! I think some posts in this thread shows why alot of ** taking goes on between the continents such as the guy that thought the only nation to fight the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre was the US military or the americans who think that the US foriegn policy over the last decades is purely cause 'they just wanna help out these small countries with their problems to bring freedom across the world and the rest of the world would turn to if they didnt step in' is simply just silly. Politians do things to benefit themselves and their country (in that order!). What it boils down to is this : I've met nobheads in Britain and Europe and in the USA and ive also met really cool geniuine people in all those same areas. Everyone is bought up in their country to their own versions of history and pride in their country, but try to not be ignorant and see through the bull**. In conclusion, i think the Americans do have nice teeth in general though

Fumitsugu	Posted - 2010.09.10 06:31:00 - [101] Originally by: Jassie Lichous I think some posts in this thread shows why alot of ** taking goes on between the continents such as[.....]the americans who think that the US foriegn policy over the last decades is purely cause 'they just wanna help out these small countries with their problems to bring freedom across the world and the rest of the world would turn to if they didnt step in' is simply just silly Bull**! America's foreign policy is all to do with testicular fortitude and righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with the maintenance of the international power balance or neocolonialism. Bloody ungrateful Brits, who's paying for your queen?
Gistatis Tribunus The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.09.10 07:05:00 - [102] The real question is Liechtenstein. They're so small that no one pays attention to them, not even this map! Who knows what nefarious activities could be going on over there? --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz
Daisuke Aoki Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.10 07:41:00 - [103] Speaking of America and Britain and other countries and wars, what the hell is up with Canadians thinking they "won" the war of 1812? I had a Canadian girlfriend once and she was completely seriously convinced and full of pride about the fact that (supposedly, according to her) Canada beat the US in the War of 1812. Okay, granted, the US did attempt to invade and lose a few battles in what is now presently southeastern Canada. However, then, it was British North America, there was no cohesive "Canada", and you can't really say they "beat the US in the war of 1812". Do most Canadians feel like they "won" against the US? Is this what they teach you icebacks?
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.10 08:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Fumitsugu Bull****! America's foreign policy is all to do with testicular fortitude and righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with the maintenance of the international power balance or neocolonialism. Bloody ungrateful Brits, who's paying for your queen? Hey, stop pretending the US has a monopoly on mass murder and cultural destabilization as a means of acquiring natural resources. The UK's made a real f'ing mess of Nigeria in particular and Africa in general while profiting heavily from their natural resources and you can bet your last dollar that we'll leave Afghanistan with a swag bag full of minerals. We pay for our own queen but honestly I wish it would stop. We should look to France for leadership because if nothing else they know exactly how to deal with royalty. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.10 08:52:00 - [105] Originally by: yani dumyat We pay for our own queen but honestly I wish it would stop. We should look to France for leadership because if nothing else they know exactly how to deal with royalty. The queen brings in more money to the uk than takes and tbh she has done a hell of a lot more good for the world than any government.
Roboplegic Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.10 11:52:00 - [106] If it wasn't for the British, americans today would be speaking french or spanish. Which is a good thing, even though they butcher our language with that "word book" they call the dictionary. But we dont blaim them cuz most of them can trace they ancestry back to the UK.
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.10 12:03:00 - [107] Originally by: baltec1 The queen brings in more money to the uk than takes and tbh she has done a hell of a lot more good for the world than any government. Fair enough Lizzie's better than most monarchs but her son is a walking contradiction and her grandkids are idiots. I see no reason to bow before William and Harry and spit on the idea that those inbred English ****s could one day be head of state for Scotland. In terms of money the Windsors and crown estates own large amounts of shares in defense and oil plus large amounts of land, we will never know what they bring in to this country or how much of their job could be done equally well by an elected head of state. One thing's for sure they are a major player in the military industrial complex and are capable of looking after themselves without leeching from my taxes. As an example the crown estates owns UK territorial waters from the coast to several miles out to sea, the royals get payments from windfarms and that money goes straight to the royals without ever passing through the local island communities. Screw Buckingham Palace I'd rather see a new school or hospital any day. Another point to note is the Westminster system the queen represents. The conservative government is deeply unpopular in Scotland and holds only one seat here, they have no real mandate to rule the country. We are in an economic hole at the moment and Cameron is cutting funding for schools, hospitals and welfare while pushing ahead with a very expensive nuclear weapons replacement and ID card scheme. The Scottish government wants to scrap trident and the ID card scheme to pay for our financial problems but can't because of Westminster. The democratically elected government in Edinburgh can not carry out the will of the Scottish people because an unelected English monarch and English government who we did not vote for are treating us like a colony, taxing our natural resources and dictating how Scotland should be run. The queen is a barrier to democracy and the sooner we get rid of the royals the better. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.09.10 12:52:00 - [108] As a Canadian, the thought of Prince Charles being king makes me wish that Canada would be a republic. He is whack. And the ears? jesus murphy click here
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.10 12:56:00 - [109] The Dutch have a more slimline royal family. They don't adorn themselves in old fashioned regalia. They wear smart suits and cloths. And do various stuff for charitable causes. Most Dutch are modestly very proud of their royal family. Would this be more suitable for Britain? I don't know really. There is a lot of liberal rubbish that making the UK a republic would make it more egalitarian. Well the French killed off all their royalty over 200 years ago with great fanfare. But yet France is a more elitist country than the UK. ..................................................
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.10 17:20:00 - [110] Good points about the Dutch and french though I think the UK will need to find it's own way with this one. From what I understand the monarchy are far more popular in England. The monarchy, crown estates, civil service and accompanying bureaucrats are collectively referred to as 'The Firm' and are a very powerful force within the UK. They work very hard to promote British interests and the shareholders who benefit from their work are the pension funds and insurance firms who pay for our crashed cars and and ensure that our old folks have money to heat their homes, the corporation taxes also buoy up the public sector and pay for the nurses and teachers. There is something to be said for this approach and I'm sure it is a contributing factor to the way Britain punches above its weight. Consider for a moment how the American government is almost a 2nd class citizen that is slaved to the corporations and lobbyists who fund their campaigns. In Britain we have The Firm who stand between the government and the corporations, they have very close relations with the press and through the civil service can make life very difficult for politicians who say the wrong thing. It's not a perfect system but I would much rather have The Firm than an American style corporatocracy. The big problems however started with Tony Blair and the invasion of Iraq. Millions took to the streets in protest and felt utterly powerless when Blair did what he wanted, undoubtedly Blair earned the royals a ton of cash through military and oil contracts but hey, that's what The Firm does best. This was a turning point in Scotland when people said F you to Westminster and voted for a nationalist government (SNP) who wanted independence from the UK, since then the ideological gulf has become clearer by the day. Scotland has always voted for left wing parties while England tends to vote Tory (Tories are considered a right wing/conservative/royalist party). The tory approach makes economic sense for England but it drains Scotland of cash, not only do we have oil north of the border but we have the highest concentration of wave and wind energy anywhere in the world, we produce far more energy than we could ever use but the cash goes to London. Economically the union is harmful to Scotland and the more Westminster ignores us the less incentive we have to stick with England. I don't know how the upcoming vote for independence will turn out but wheels have been set in motion and I really don't see Britain surviving another hundred years, I love England and spent many happy years living there but it's time for us to split. The monarchy is English and it's up to England how to deal with them because their long rule over Scotland is coming to an end. I hope that rant was somewhat educational, Europeans tend to see the USA as one country but those who've traveled in the states will understand when I say that the McDonalds and Wallmarts may look the same when you enter an American town but the attitudes can vary so much you may as well be in a different country. When standing in Salt Lake City it's advisable not to use slang you picked up in DC, people will laugh at you. In a similar way Americans often don't understand how the various countries that make up Britain interact with each other, I met a guy in California who wore a beautiful kilt complete with jeweled silver sgian dubh and he could tell me exactly how he was related to which clans. I'd guess his outfit cost more than an air fare to Glasgow but he'd never bothered to visit, I called him a wannabe teuchter and he didn't understand so I left him to his fairy tale image of glens n whiskey. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.

RiskyFrisky Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.09.10 19:36:00 - [111] Originally by: yani dumyat Originally by: Fumitsugu Bull**! America's foreign policy is all to do with testicular fortitude and righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with the maintenance of the international power balance or neocolonialism. Bloody ungrateful Brits, who's paying for your queen? Hey, stop pretending the US has a monopoly on mass murder and cultural destabilization as a means of acquiring natural resources. The UK's made a real f'ing mess of Nigeria in particular and Africa in general while profiting heavily from their natural resources and you can bet your last dollar that we'll leave Afghanistan with a swag bag full of minerals. We pay for our own queen but honestly I wish it would stop. We should look to France for leadership because if nothing else they know exactly how to deal with royalty. Well **, if you Brits decide to get the French as your leadership, who will we have to fight next to in wars? Cause you'll be running with your tails between your legs. _ Starcakes are the answer to life.
RiskyFrisky Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.09.10 19:41:00 - [112] Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 10/09/2010 19:41:42 Originally by: Roboplegic If it wasn't for the British, americans today would be speaking french or spanish. Actually no, we'd be speaking German if it weren't for one vote, which kept our national language English. And here's a link for my proof, even though this was off the top of my head: Proof _ Starcakes are the answer to life.
Delfana	Posted - 2010.09.10 23:47:00 - [113] Edited by: Delfana on 10/09/2010 23:48:44 Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts. Being an American I see Europe as the ungrateful bastards of our sacrifices in WW1 and WW2 to save your sorry asses. And don't give that excuse that you could have done it by yourself, no you couldn't have....Russia doesn't count they would have turned Europe into a Communist regime
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.11 03:45:00 - [114] I see world politics as a ****ing contest with the general population catching the backlash.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.09.11 05:20:00 - [115] Originally by: bitter teabagging wingnut Nice try, shame its not the tea partiers that are responsible for the crime rate in chicago. It was a joke. No the Teabaggers aren't responsible for the crime in Chicago. They're responsible for the lowering the collective IQ of our nation about a billion points. Racist, bigoted, conspiracy theory believing, mouthing breathing, window licking Teabaggers and/or Right Wing nutjobs tend to do that you know. Quote: Everyone huh? What kind of people live in those areas, btw? Tea partiers and republicans? Yes Everyone. At least everyone who lives in Chicago anyway. The Westside, and Southside suburbs are inhabited by blue collar, lower middle to lower class people who are Black, Hispanic, and Polish (south side has more Polish neighborhoods). So yes, these poor people aka that "kind" of people are actually the ones responsible for the crime and violence in those areas. The way to fix that is to create jobs, community outreach and patrol programs, programs to keep kids in school, learning and not roaming the streets falling into gang life is what will fix it. This is how you improve neighborhoods, and ultimately our nation. And like it or not - we'll be coming for all that big fat corporate money the Right has so jealously guarded for so long. The days of "**** YOU I GOT MINE!" are over. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.09.11 08:25:00 - [116] Originally by: RiskyFrisky Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 10/09/2010 19:41:42 Originally by: Roboplegic If it wasn't for the British, americans today would be speaking french or spanish. Actually no, we'd be speaking German if it weren't for one vote, which kept our national language English. And here's a link for my proof, even though this was off the top of my head: Proof Do you even read what you link ? It says it's a fecking myth. You earlier post showed us that you were ignorant but this post shows us why, it's because you're a tard with reading skill issues. ---- British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
Roboplegic Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.11 10:33:00 - [117] Originally by: Delfana Edited by: Delfana on 10/09/2010 23:48:44 Originally by: Charles Baker Being a European i see America as the ungrateful bastard child of our colonial efforts. Being an American I see Europe as the ungrateful bastards of our sacrifices in WW1 and WW2 to save your sorry asses. And don't give that excuse that you could have done it by yourself, no you couldn't have....Russia doesn't count they would have turned Europe into a Communist regime Without Europe America wouldn't have had the same outcome in WW1-2, America would've been starved of trade and resources that the europeans had from their colonies in the early 20th Century. If liberal Europe fell to the germain empire, America would soon follow suit no doubt, if the allies fell all wouldve been lost. Being European i see America as being ungratefull hesitant bastards isolationist bastards.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.11 14:00:00 - [118] I bet we will all laugh when we realize we are actually the same... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2010.09.11 17:07:00 - [119] Thread predictably descends in to 'my country is better at killing foreigners than your country' volleys. That said, USA thinks it saved Europe in WW2 yet the worlds only super power has never successfully won a war even against minor states let alone a world war. Vietnam? Iraq? (pulling out early and leaving the country in a worse state than it was even under despotic rule doesn't count as a victory)
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.09.11 17:30:00 - [120] And what of Europe's standing by and allowing millions of Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals to be slaughtered by the most evil being that has ever walked this planet? What of British Imperialism and it's effect on the entire planet, some areas of which are still far from "thriving". The point is: Europe is no angel and neither is the US. Both have blood on their hands, either by direct action or passivity. We are all the same. We are one people, one species capable of terrible violations against our own and yet we're also capable of great wonders, and amazing kindness towards our fellow man. As for "leaving Iraq worse than it was, not being able to win wars" blah blah. No we didn't "win" either campaign. Because we were not willing to do what was necessary and slaughter every male over a certain age, and completely obliterate our enemies. Our troops could never have "won". Perhaps vaporizing two cities is still on the collective consciousness of my nation. "Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima



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