I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. I understand that CCP encourage most type of gameplay, however, stopping people from playing the game because someone has left their character logged in while cloaked isnt fair.

Why not create the following:

As soon as you cloak, a 'Tachyon Signature' number begins and slowly climbs. When you warp to a new spot, that number starts again. However, if you stay still or even at subwarp velocities, your Tachyon signature begins to raise. Very slowly mind you...it would need to take at least an hour before you could be probed by someone with max skills in scanning.

Someone in a covert ops (eg. Helios) would need 4x Tachyon Scanner Probes. With these probes, similar to normal combat probes but designed to pick up Tachyon Signatures, you could probe down someone who is cloaked while afk.

It bothers me that CCP have let this problem slide for so long. How is it fair when people log on their pilot, cloak up and go to work for a full day...which impacts so many people. Give the victims a chance to counteract the antagonists.

Thoughts?

Barbara Nichole, i see where you are coming from. But i did mention that if you are moving around while cloaked, you cannot be found. Duties such as legitimate recon, traversing wormholes etc wouldnt be affected. You would need to sit still for a certain amount of time (depending on ship size) and yes, most people say that if the person is actually AFK while cloaked, they post no threat. The victims do not know they're afk, and creating that false belief is what gets people killed when they presume that person is afk.

Long story short, if CCP are willing to punish botters because the player isnt at their computer, how is afk cloaking any different? Its a cheap and unfair tactic that has no immediate counter.

First of all, I answered your question in my previous post.

Secondly, you've answered your own question with your opinion. Bold and repeat wont make much difference. Ive made my points to the flaud reasoning behind ccp allowing AFK cloaking to continue, you've given me your opinion. Cheers.

So, you want to take a covert scout watching a gate, and force them to periodically abandon their observation post so they can keep your tachyon number down.

Maybe they are keeping a station under surveillance, so they can know when a wanted criminal exits without being seen themselves.

It's called covert for reasons like that.

My signature even has ideas you might like.

problem

Your signature has brilliant ideas. The module timer for a cloak would also be a great option. And to be honest, it wouldnt be hard to change either.

Why not just simply have the server disconnect players after 15mins like most games?

At least it would help with the lag in the game, and make it harder to bot.

Barbara Nichole, i see where you are coming from. But i did mention that if you are moving around while cloaked, you cannot be found. Duties such as legitimate recon, traversing wormholes etc wouldnt be affected. You would need to sit still for a certain amount of time (depending on ship size) and yes, most people say that if the person is actually AFK while cloaked, they post no threat. The victims do not know they're afk, and creating that false belief is what gets people killed when they presume that person is afk.

Long story short, if CCP are willing to punish botters because the player isnt at their computer, how is afk cloaking any different? Its a cheap and unfair tactic that has no immediate counter.

Why not just simply have the server disconnect players after 15mins like most games?

At least it would help with the lag in the game, and make it harder to bot.

Put speed mods on cheetah.
Move in one direction.
Prober scans down your cloaked ship and warps to you.
Finds nothing because by the time he's landed, you're 9-10km away from him in an unknown direction.

I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. I understand that CCP encourage most type of gameplay, however, stopping people from playing the game because someone has left their character logged in while cloaked isnt fair.

1. K, so your a botter...

2. Lag is an issue with more clients connected and has always been an issue on any server.

3. See item 1

4. Greasy Grimy Gofer Guts...

I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. I understand that CCP encourage most type of gameplay, however, stopping people from playing the game because someone has left their character logged in while cloaked isnt fair.

Why not create the following:

As soon as you cloak, a 'Tachyon Signature' number begins and slowly climbs. When you warp to a new spot, that number starts again. However, if you stay still or even at subwarp velocities, your Tachyon signature begins to raise. Very slowly mind you...it would need to take at least an hour before you could be probed by someone with max skills in scanning.

Someone in a covert ops (eg. Helios) would need 4x Tachyon Scanner Probes. With these probes, similar to normal combat probes but designed to pick up Tachyon Signatures, you could probe down someone who is cloaked while afk.

It bothers me that CCP have let this problem slide for so long. How is it fair when people log on their pilot, cloak up and go to work for a full day...which impacts so many people. Give the victims a chance to counteract the antagonists.

Thoughts?

I think cloaking device need to consume liquid ozone to run. If you want to watch local for longer time, use cloaked transport ship.
Cloaking should be ballanced, cloakers are totally immune right now. Infinite immunity is not a good thing for the game.

I think cloaking device need to consume liquid ozone to run. If you want to watch local for longer time, use cloaked transport ship.
Cloaking should be ballanced, cloakers are totally immune right now. Infinite immunity is not a good thing for the game.

I find it amazing that some people suggest things either without considering the implications of their suggestions or simply don't care about anything in the game that isn't them.

Show me on the doll where the AFK-cloaker touched you.

AFK cloaking itself is fine, but with certain methods of hunting the victim has almost no chance to escape. The fairest solution is to remove the -100% sensor recalibration role bonus from all ships capable of fitting a covert ops cloak

Why not just simply have the server disconnect players after 15mins like most games?

At least it would help with the lag in the game, and make it harder to bot.

You realize that only stealth bombers and black ops have this bonus right? And black ops still have to deal with that goddamn scan resolution penalty. (10 seconds to lock a battleship; ugh) So don't go acting like recons or t3s can just decloak and instalock you.

Huh, I was under the impression recons had it as well. Also if you read carefully you'll notice I made an exception for blackops with the "covert ops" clause, so I guess that leaves only bombers. Still you've got to admit that for hotdrops they're very potent

The same is applied to you. I have seen as at least one old (1 year 7 month) zero corp was disbanded because people stopped playing eve. One guy with alt camped the system they were renting during several weeks. At the end corp leader Karina Storm used my system to hunt in and disbanded his corp in a few days. That is bad.

Really, if a corp disbanded because someone AFK cloaked their rented system then they deserved to be disbanded. The job of Corp leadership is to keep the corp morale high to keep cohesive bonds between the pilots. Note that the corp disbanded was the leaderships lack of action more than to an alt not at there computer.

The game should not be completely altered just to suit one play style

I believe there are quite a lot of people who play the game and only looking for slight push to leave it. Dont you think it is CCP's fault that they loose customers so easily?

Greetings

Someone please oh please please lock this thread.

This horse is past dead, it is a rotting corpse on the road side of threads. We get it you want your local hang out to always be blue in local. You wrote of the concept of 'fare' . Life is not fare deal with it and like others have said and I will continue to break the proverbial brick wall down with my forehead. The game should not be completely altered just to suit one play style. I mean you chowder heads got your Barge Buff, stop trying to kill the game for everyone else.

2 cents

I just mine in my Battleship EHP Skiff when we have a cloaky bomber in System.

Total Bombers dead because they tried to bomb my 79k EHP Skiff: 8

Total Bombers dead because they tried to torp my 79k EHP Skiff: 3

I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem.

How about:

You give territorial claimed systems, a module. Like the strategic upgrades.

No cloacking possible in this system, because of an energy burst, or whatsoever. This means, system wide no cloaking. Also not for the allies.

Or: this modules allows once in 4 hours, to pulse a burtst of energy to decloack all ships in the system, and renders them in-operable for the coming 15minutes orso.

Using this module, would thus need to be more strategically used, and offers benefits and drawbacks.

Guys, dont mix tactical cloaking and when cloaker intentionally sit in local for weeks. Besides if you want to protect such gameplay, there is a solution which will ruin nothing, but also fix the problem.

Guys, dont mix tactical cloaking and when cloaker intentionally sit in local for weeks. Besides if you want to protect such gameplay, there is a solution which will ruin nothing, but also fix the problem. E.g. if you are afk cloaked, you dont see local chat and dont appear in local chat. In game message window "Click OK when you are ready to play" will ruin nothing.

1) there is nothing wrong with a cloaker intentionally sitting in local. you can (and probably do) sit there as well.
2) cloak nerf would make wide areas of 0.0 too safe
3) which problem?? There is nothing which needs a fix.

If you sleep, your char should not play instead of you. What do you want to achieve while you sleep, afk? This is bot's pattern, making anything in the game while you sleep. Stop crying about your cloaked afk bot, play the game manually.

When you hit escape to open eve settings, you dont see anything in the game. AFK mode should do this also, of cause, or this will be too easy to make afk-traps.

Guys, dont mix tactical cloaking and when cloaker intentionally sit in local for weeks. Besides if you want to protect such gameplay, there is a solution which will ruin nothing, but also fix the problem. E.g. if you are afk cloaked, you dont see local chat and dont appear in local chat. In game message window "Click OK when you are ready to play" will ruin nothing.

I just mine in my Battleship EHP Skiff when we have a cloaky bomber in System.

Total Bombers dead because they tried to bomb my 79k EHP Skiff: 8

Total Bombers dead because they tried to torp my 79k EHP Skiff: 3

Personally I always thought if they implemented something to disrupt cloaking it should be a pos module that requirers a system strategic upgrade, much like the cyno jammer has.
There would also be a monthly cost for having the upgrade installed.

The cloaking disruptor would emit a system wide pulse every 10 minutes that would cause ALL cloaked ships to decloak.

Pros - For the system owners
Upgrade systems wouldn't have afk cloakers

Cons - For the system owners
Monthly upkeep cost
Own cloakers are also affected

Pros - For the Cloaker
Costing them isk and now you don't have to visit them to do it

Cons - For the Cloaker
Have to recloak every 10 minutes

This attitude is the answer to all your afk cloaking problems.

No tactic or strategy is so perfect that it cannot be countered.

The very idea that you should have perfect awareness of a stealth ship might suggest the real question:
Are you sure local is your friend?
If you say yes, and you or your group is paralyzed by one ghost ship... ADAPT.

Guys, dont mix tactical cloaking and when cloaker intentionally sit in local for weeks. Besides if you want to protect such gameplay, there is a solution which will ruin nothing, but also fix the problem. E.g. if you are afk cloaked, you dont see local chat and dont appear in local chat. In game message window "Click OK when you are ready to play" will ruin nothing.

I love that the same group of trollers always reply to these threads. Mag's, do you not find it embarrassing that you spend all day on the EVE forums? do you even play this game or do you just pay the sub for the forum access?

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NN: Ad hominem: short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. -Wikipedia

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1. Awesome idea by the OP. Works perfectly to allow active people to remain uncatchable, allows for using cloaks for short breaks, even allows for using them to disrupt local activity as long as you are even somewhat at the comp, while stopping people from having there toon cloaked in a system while they are at work so that they can return to a system with other players who have gone about their business and are easy targets for a quick ambush.

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NN: Ahh, you would dictate terms so pilots playing with a different style would be handicapped.

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2. Unless things have change in the last year CCP has said they aren't removing local in null sec, get over it. Local was removed in W-space so that people have that game play if they want it.

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NN: Seriously? Suggesting that the only difference between wormholes and regular space is the absence of local chat?

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3. Going about your business with an afk cloaker is exactly what they want you to do. Its a win win situation for the afk cloaker really, either you stop doing anything in that system (they win by stopping you from being able to play without even being at the computer) or you go about your business (they win by being able to return to the computer with soft targets). There is literally no down side or challenge to over come with afk cloaking, you always win and can never be killed (baring utter stupidity) or even threatened.

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NN: Win what, exactly? They don't win anything at all, outside of your imagination itself. Try adapting to combat their tactics instead of just rolling over

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4. AFK cloaking is very similar to macro mining, even if it upsets you to admit it. In both instances a player is gaining an advantage with out actively playing the game. macro mining gets you ore, afk cloaking gets you easy targets. At least macro mining has an in game counter (shooting the macro miner), afk cloaking, and the advantage it affords (depriving other players of any reaction time when the afk cloaker finally decides to return among other things), has no counter in game or out. So afk cloaking is worse than macro mining. Even if CCP weren't trying to stop macro mining, there would be a way for other players to stop it, or at least make it harder. Not so much with afk cloaking.

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NN: Macro mining involves automated play with very specific and measurable rewards in game. How much ISK can the "AFK" cloaking pilot get for doing nothing but possibly moving in a straight line?

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CCP/Devs: when you look at these threads remember that, unlike mags, most players never even look on these forums much less post their opinion on them. A lot of the opinions you are getting here are the people who get on here with the sole intention of telling other players their ideas are bad and telling you that anything that makes them have to work for what they want (kills) is a terrible idea and would ruin the game. Probably similar to marco miners getting angry about people suggesting they should have to work for what they want (ore).

NN: Seriously? Suggesting that the only difference between wormholes and regular space is the absence of local chat?

"NN: Win what, exactly? They don't win anything at all, outside of your imagination itself. Try adapting to combat their tactics instead of just rolling over
NN: Macro mining involves automated play with very specific and measurable rewards in game. How much ISK can the "AFK" cloaking pilot get for doing nothing but possibly moving in a straight line?"

Show me on the doll where the AFK-cloaker touched you.

I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. I understand that CCP encourage most type of gameplay, however, stopping people from playing the game because someone has left their character logged in while cloaked isnt fair.

Why not create the following:

As soon as you cloak, a 'Tachyon Signature' number begins and slowly climbs. When you warp to a new spot, that number starts again. However, if you stay still or even at subwarp velocities, your Tachyon signature begins to raise. Very slowly mind you...it would need to take at least an hour before you could be probed by someone with max skills in scanning.

Someone in a covert ops (eg. Helios) would need 4x Tachyon Scanner Probes. With these probes, similar to normal combat probes but designed to pick up Tachyon Signatures, you could probe down someone who is cloaked while afk.

It bothers me that CCP have let this problem slide for so long. How is it fair when people log on their pilot, cloak up and go to work for a full day...which impacts so many people. Give the victims a chance to counteract the antagonists.

Thoughts?

The point is, being able to gain an advantage over other players while your afk = flaw

I love that the same group of trollers always reply to these threads. Mag's, do you not find it embarrassing that you spend all day on the EVE forums? do you even play this game or do you just pay the sub for the forum access?

1. Awesome idea by the OP. Works perfectly to allow active people to remain uncatchable, allows for using cloaks for short breaks, even allows for using them to disrupt local activity as long as you are even somewhat at the comp, while stopping people from having there toon cloaked in a system while they are at work so that they can return to a system with other players who have gone about their business and are easy targets for a quick ambush.

2. Unless things have change in the last year CCP has said they aren't removing local in null sec, get over it. Local was removed in W-space so that people have that game play if they want it.

3. Going about your business with an afk cloaker is exactly what they want you to do. Its a win win situation for the afk cloaker really, either you stop doing anything in that system (they win by stopping you from being able to play without even being at the computer) or you go about your business (they win by being able to return to the computer with soft targets). There is literally no down side or challenge to over come with afk cloaking, you always win and can never be killed (baring utter stupidity) or even threatened.

4. AFK cloaking is very similar to macro mining, even if it upsets you to admit it. In both instances a player is gaining an advantage with out actively playing the game. macro mining gets you ore, afk cloaking gets you easy targets. At least macro mining has an in game counter (shooting the macro miner), afk cloaking, and the advantage it affords (depriving other players of any reaction time when the afk cloaker finally decides to return among other things), has no counter in game or out. So afk cloaking is worse than macro mining. Even if CCP weren't trying to stop macro mining, there would be a way for other players to stop it, or at least make it harder. Not so much with afk cloaking.

CCP/Devs: when you look at these threads remember that, unlike mags, most players never even look on these forums much less post their opinion on them. A lot of the opinions you are getting here are the people who get on here with the sole intention of telling other players their ideas are bad and telling you that anything that makes them have to work for what they want (kills) is a terrible idea and would ruin the game. Probably similar to marco miners getting angry about people suggesting they should have to work for what they want (ore).

afk cloaking gains you an advantage by forcing other players to either treat you as an active player and stop local activity (even when your inactive) or treat you like your afk and go about their business. in the first situation the cloaker is stopping you from playing (earning is, mining ore, moving good, etc.) even if they aren't playing then (afk). In the second case the cloaker can attack you without your ability to react to their presence (accept for when they appear on your overview). They are gaining an advantage by either forcing you to stop playing or forcing you to assume they are afk and continue playing while they are not playing. This means that when they return they will either have a soft target (assuming they are still afk) or have shut down a system.

Again, i would be perfectly ok with this tactic if the cloaker were forced to be at the computer while doing this. I'm all for cloakers being able to sit in a system 23/7 to gain the advantages that go with this, but they shouldn't be able to gain these advantages while they are out at the bar so that when they come home they can use these advantages to try to get kills. Its the same as afk cloaking in that both affords you

I love that the same group of trollers always reply to these threads. Mag's, do you not find it embarrassing that you spend all day on the EVE forums? do you even play this game or do you just pay the sub for the forum access?

1. Awesome idea by the OP. Works perfectly to allow active people to remain uncatchable, allows for using cloaks for short breaks, even allows for using them to disrupt local activity as long as you are even somewhat at the comp, while stopping people from having there toon cloaked in a system while they are at work so that they can return to a system with other players who have gone about their business and are easy targets for a quick ambush.

2. Unless things have change in the last year CCP has said they aren't removing local in null sec, get over it. Local was removed in W-space so that people have that game play if they want it.

3. Going about your business with an afk cloaker is exactly what they want you to do. Its a win win situation for the afk cloaker really, either you stop doing anything in that system (they win by stopping you from being able to play without even being at the computer) or you go about your business (they win by being able to return to the computer with soft targets). There is literally no down side or challenge to over come with afk cloaking, you always win and can never be killed (baring utter stupidity) or even threatened.

4. AFK cloaking is very similar to macro mining, even if it upsets you to admit it. In both instances a player is gaining an advantage with out actively playing the game. macro mining gets you ore, afk cloaking gets you easy targets. At least macro mining has an in game counter (shooting the macro miner), afk cloaking, and the advantage it affords (depriving other players of any reaction time when the afk cloaker finally decides to return among other things), has no counter in game or out. So afk cloaking is worse than macro mining. Even if CCP weren't trying to stop macro mining, there would be a way for other players to stop it, or at least make it harder. Not so much with afk cloaking.

CCP/Devs: when you look at these threads remember that, unlike mags, most players never even look on these forums much less post their opinion on them. A lot of the opinions you are getting here are the people who get on here with the sole intention of telling other players their ideas are bad and telling you that anything that makes them have to work for what they want (kills) is a terrible idea and would ruin the game. Probably similar to marco miners getting angry about people suggesting they should have to work for what they want (ore).

if there is a gang one system over and you know its there you can combat it by going and fighting them. In other words, you have a way to counter them being in the system next to your.

also, its an actual dilemma. the choices really are 1. stop doing things in that system; 2. continue doing things in that system. There really are only 2 choices

When AFKing and doing nothing, you hope they react in a certain way and stop their own wealth creation. Not the same thing.

What dire situation is likely or possible to happen when there is a cloaked ship in local that is not possible or likely when they are not there or not cloaked?

They are trying to do both. Subvert local instant intel and have you stop ratting/mining. Whether either happens is down to the local residents and out of the AFKer's control.

so you admit that afk cloaking is ALWAYS successful since one of those two things MUST happen, right?

while stopping people from having there toon cloaked in a system while they are at work so that they can return to a system with other players who have gone about their business and are easy targets for a quick ambush.

2. Unless things have change in the last year CCP has said they aren't removing local in null sec, get over it. Local was removed in W-space so that people have that game play if they want it.

3. Going about your business with an afk cloaker is exactly what they want you to do. Its a win win situation for the afk cloaker really, either you stop doing anything in that system

(they win by stopping you from being able to play without even being at the computer) or you go about your business (they win by being able to return to the computer with soft targets).

There is literally no down side or challenge to over come with afk cloaking, you always win and can never be killed (baring utter stupidity) or even threatened.

afk cloaking gains you an advantage by forcing other players to either treat you as an active player and stop local activity (even when your inactive) or treat you like your afk and go about their business. in the first situation the cloaker is stopping you from playing (earning is, mining ore, moving good, etc.) even if they aren't playing then (afk). In the second case the cloaker can attack you without your ability to react to their presence (accept for when they appear on your overview). They are gaining an advantage by either forcing you to stop playing or forcing you to assume they are afk and continue playing while they are not playing. This means that when they return they will either have a soft target (assuming the cloaker is still afk) or have shut down a system.

Again, i would be perfectly ok with this tactic if the cloaker were forced to be at the computer while doing this.

so you admit that afk cloaking is ALWAYS successful since one of those two things MUST happen, right? It's not possible for a player, or group of players, to both continue mining/ratting/whatever and also continue to use local as an intel source. they MUST either stop using local as an intel source OR stop mining/ratting/whatever.

You shouldnt have this kind of faultless instant intel at all, to begin with.

No, neither are guaranteed.

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Nope, you can continue ratting and not give a **** about the random non-blue in your system. Either he shows up and you get a fight or he doesn't and you keep doing what you like...

No, if this wouldn't work afk it wouldn't work at all, because it takes a lot of time to reach its effectiveness peak...

So your trying to say that if there is a cloaker in a system you have more choices than to either go about your business or stop going about your business?

This thread again?

Why not just delete Cov Ops from game? Disrupting the enemy is part of the Cov Ops role.

As always, liking every single Mag's post itt.

Exactly. Your gaining an advantage while being afk. You want to get easy kills (or the chance at them)