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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:25:00 -
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So, been playing for 3-4 years, I got my Maurader (Kronos) to lvl 4. Btw, my large hybird guns are only LVL 4.
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
This is what disturbes me.
CCP claims hybird have the worst of all ranges but, the best damage. OK!
Then why does my Hyperion with 425 type railguns hit in range with 1500 or more damage, while my LVL 4 Maurader, that has 100% damage with hybird with lvl 4 type guns, in range can best only 250 t0 350 , this is with btyw, a fleeting web and target painter 2 at lvl 5! With signature at 5 as well????
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:27:00 -
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Unfortunately hybrids have horrible tracking, so when you do get close up you effectively can't hit anything...
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:29:00 -
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Furthermore, I have a tracking CPU tech 2, aiding the already Tracking abiltiy of the Maurader! As well I should further clairfiy that this is only when hitting PVE battleships in range of my Hyperions 425 vs my Kronos hybirds electron! WTF man!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:32:00 -
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 Originally by: SkinSin
Unfortunately hybrids have horrible tracking, so when you do get close up you effectively can't hit anything...
Umm Kronos a Tracking BS! Equiped with a tech 2 tracking CPU and and Tech 2 Target painter with sig raduis at lvl 5???
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:33:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Ships & Modules.
Navigator
Senior Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:53:00 -
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Um, not to troll, but have you seriously been playing for 4 years? I find that really hard to believe. And as others said, it's the tracking.
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Quote:
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Axemaster
Um, not to troll, but have you seriously been playing for 4 years? I find that really hard to believe. And as others said, it's the tracking.
ok big mouth, Then if tracking is such a problem at range with lvl 4 Kronos, tech 2 TP, webber and tracking PC, at range against a BS, then why even have hybirds?????? Like I said my Hyperions 425 tech 1 do 1500 to 2000, the best numbers I get out of my Blasters are 250 Hmmmmm?
Nice suggestions NOT!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Scammer
Quote:
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
NO, its not tracking when a PVE BS is webbed, and in range of my 4 electron blasters, with a tech 2 TP and tech 2 tracking CPU, Im getting 250 max damage WTF!, While my Hyperion gets 1500 to 2000 damage at range with 425s????
Like Ive been saying all along, CCP says Blasters give the most damage but lack distance. Fine but, Im at range and with a kronos HELLo!!!!!!!!!!! What Im lying!!!
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
Originally by: Judas Scammer
Quote:
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
Is it tracking?
NO, its not tracking when a PVE BS is webbed, and in range of my 4 electron blasters, with a tech 2 TP and tech 2 tracking CPU, Im getting 250 max damage WTF!, While my Hyperion gets 1500 to 2000 damage at range with 425s????
Like Ive been saying all along, CCP says Blasters give the most damage but lack distance. Fine but, Im at range and with a kronos HELLo!!!!!!!!!!! What Im lying!!!
How far away are the rats? Have you really been playing 4 years or did you buy your account from ebay?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:26:00 -
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No ones reading, my posts, yup I bought the account from ebay and am a lair! Thanks for the help!
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:32:00 -
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You'd save a lot of time if you just posted your full fit, and the range you're engaging the rats from.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:02:00 -
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What your saying does not make sense, and if you had been playing for 4 years you would have given us the information we need to make sense of the situation.
4x blasters on a kronos should do better damage inside blaster range. We kinda think you may be fighting in falloff on the blasters. In theory when in optimal range you should out dps a 425 fitted mega at its optimal range. Something is wonky, and it appears you might be way out of blaster range, or something horrible with your fit.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:06:00 -
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1st 425 railgun are hybrid weapon too
2nd you comparing the smallest blaster size with the highest railgun size
3rd its not the tracking its your skills that sux, if you have tracking proble with electron blaster + tracking bonus of the marauder VS a bebbed a BS you are doing it wrong
4th if you group you gun the damage output of 4 guns with a 100% bonus its the same of 8 guns
said that a few advice:
1 dont use blaster in pve
2 if you really have to use blaster use NEUTRONS their have a alot more range than electrons and alot more dps
3 train your skill up to T2 weapons so you will be obliged to train all the relevant skill which make the large weapons good (tracking skill anyone?)
PS: i dont believe you been playing for 3-4 years and if you did you should go back to fly frigs
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:11:00 -
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<shipType value="Kronos" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" />
<hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" />
<hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" />
<hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" />
</fitting
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kail Storm on 04/09/2010 18:55:51
You also arent taking into the account that the Blasters are shooting 2-3x as often as the rails are so you see huge numbers with the rails but in reality its taking 3x as long.
Also we are upset that a 4 year eve player uses T1 Non Meta Blasters in a Mission....4 Year olds should have enough to buy a Nice setup on a Kronos costing huge amounts, Also why use a Marauder without T2 Weps?
4 years you have no other racial types? Or Drone Skills?
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 18:59:42
Originally by: Zivoril
<shipType value="Kronos" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" />
<hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" />
<hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" />
<hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" />
</fitting
[Kronos, omg]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Target Painter II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
oh really?
and you wonder why you get poor results by that crap?
please contract it to me so i can fit it for you properly
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 04/09/2010 19:04:59
Your fit is awful, your skills are awful, and volley damage and DPS are not the same thing.
In the future, aim for tech 2 equipment first, tech 2 ships second.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 18:59:42
Originally by: Zivoril
<shipType value="Kronos" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Target Painter II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 5" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Salvager I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 1" type="1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Magnetic Field Stabilizer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Cap Recharger II" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Large YF-12a Smartbomb" />
<hardware slot="low slot 6" type="Armor Thermic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Armor Kinetic Hardener II" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Small Tractor Beam I" />
<hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Large Armor Repairer II" />
<hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Tracking Computer II" />
<hardware qty="6" slot="drone bay" type="Hobgoblin II" />
<hardware qty="4" slot="drone bay" type="Hammerhead II" />
</fitting
[Kronos, omg]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Target Painter II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
oh really?
and you wonder why you get poor results by that crap?
please contract it to me so i can fit it for you properly
Why dont you give him some advice then rather than be a prick.
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:48
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:07
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44
I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, eve though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me! Im PVEing not PVP!
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:48
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:19:07
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44
I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, eve though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me! Im PVEing not PVP!
Well if your active tanking drop the 1600mm plate for starters. Fit bigger guns. 3 mag stabs as well.
For this kind of ship you really want tech 2 guns as a bare minimum, faction ammo isnt all that expensive either.
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:25:00 -
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I also find it very hard to believe you've been playing for 4 years and don't have T2 hybrid skills yet. But anyway, you really need an AB on your Kronos if you want to use it in PvE, since you'll need to close distance to your targets.
You're also confusing Alpha, or volley shot, with DPS. The dps of the blasters should be much higher than that of the rails.
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:27:00 -
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1st: why the F... are you using t1 blasters on a khronos... if u cant use t2 you use best name versions atleast (or better yet faction)
2nd: what ammo do you use on blasters and then on 425mm rails. use antimatter on both and tell me if the dmg is the same
3rd: will be added when first 2 are answered.
PS: my paladin with tachs as gotten 4+ k hits from 1 gun. so dunno whay u hit so low
18:00:24 Combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Core Rear Admiral, wrecking for 4305.6 damage.
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Fighting for something
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:18:44
I dont have tech 2 guns trained but, my point is when I have a PVE BS in range of my Electrons with the webber and TP on Im getting 250 Damage, WTF! Mauraders say they 100% damaage and webber skills, then why in EVEs name does my Hyperion, with 425s at range get 1500 to 2000 damage same skill at 4???????????????????????
Btw, ebe though I havent tech 2 hybird skills my set isnt that bad! So please educate me!
Okay, first of all, that damage bonus isn't really a damage bonus. It's more like a fitting bonus. The Kronos only fits 4 guns. The 100% damage bonus makes them equate to 8 guns (like the Hyperion fits). The purpose of this is to free up high slots for tractor beams and salvagers.
Secondly, all else being equal, the volley damage of 425mm railguns IS higher than that of electron blasters. The blasters shoot faster and, all else being equal, this makes the blasters do more damage over time. Neutron blasters will have a higher volley damage than 425s.
Finally, your blasters are almost certainly missing more often than your railguns due to range, or tracking, or some combination of the two.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:29:00 -
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Yup 3-4 years, and if you will notice Im an Ammar, my ship list there is mind blowing, I switched to Galente a while ago.
My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:32:00 -
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Cap Merkin and surrendermonkey thanks for the responses!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
It doesn't.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:35:00 -
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A blaster kronos for missions? wat?
Why don't you stick the 425's on and then compare the stats?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:35:00 -
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Since I have Target painter and sig radius to lvl 5 I thought that with a Kronos, tracking abiltiy, and webbers I could hit frigates at close range ( with large blasters at range 2400). I am wrong????????????????
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril
Yup 3-4 years, and if you will notice Im an Ammar, my ship list there is mind blowing, I switched to Galente a while ago.
My main point is, WTF is a Hyperion out doing a Kronos in damage (period)!
I just explained that to you. And, in point of actual fact, the two ship shave the exact same raw damage potential. With all 5s, and all else (implants, etc.) being equal, the will do the exact same amount of damage. The only difference between them, for raw damage, is an extra low slot on the Kronos, so if you don't understand what diminishing returns are, you can put 7 Mag stabs on it, while the Hyperion will only fit 6, resulting in the Kronos doing approximately 3 more DPS. 
The hyperion has a 5% damage bonus per level and it fits 8 guns.
The kronos has a 5% damage bonus per level, a 100% flat damage bonus, and it fits 4 guns.
This means that if you put 8 guns that do 100 damage on the hyperion, it will do 1000 damage at level 5 (800 * 1.25).
If you put 4 guns that do 100 damage on the Kronos, it will do... 1000 damage at level 5 (400 * 2 * 1.25).
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:40:09
Pure crap Monkey than why the 500 million CCPs laughing its butt off role in the Mauraders is a joke!
I dont think you get my fit or my point!
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 19:40:42
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:32
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:08
Since I have Target painter and sig radius to lvl 5 I thought that with a Kronos, tracking abiltiy, and webbers I could hit frigates at close range ( with large blasters at range 2400). I am wrong????????????????
I'm doing welll against smaller ships but, when I get BS in range it sucks for damage WTF!
1 there is a skill called sig radius in EVE?
2 yes you can hit frigate if you know to keep transversal at decent levels
3 for blasters a 2nd web will help you more than a target painter
Originally by: Zivoril
Pure crap Monkey than why the 500 million CCPs laughing its butt off role in the Mauraders is a joke!
or you just plain sux at eve
i vote the 2nd
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:42:00 -
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See thats my MAIN POINT, ive used 2 webs, and have success vs smaller ships evenb frigs.
Heres the problem I get a PVE BS in the same range and I tickle it! It should be dead in 3-4 shots after all I paid 500 mil for this ship right!@
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:44:00 -
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àfor the record, at 2400m, a standard mission rat hit with a 90% web will still require your large guns to have a tracking speed of ~0.13 rad/s in order to provide 1:1 tracking ù i.e. a 50% hit chance.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:45:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Zivoril
See thats my MAIN POINT, ive used 2 webs, and have success vs smaller ships evenb frigs.
Heres the problem I get a PVE BS in the same range and I tickle it! It should be dead in 3-4 shots after all I paid 500 mil for this ship right!@
- buy a titan
- go mission in 0.0
- oneshot every npc with the doomsday it have no tracking problems
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:45:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:32
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:08
Since I have Target painter and sig radius to lvl 5 I thought that with a Kronos, tracking abiltiy, and webbers I could hit frigates at close range ( with large blasters at range 2400). I am wrong????????????????
I'm doing welll against smaller ships but, when I get BS in range it sucks for damage WTF!
Go back to Amarr.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 04/09/2010 19:48:33
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:40:09
Pure crap Monkey than why the 500 million CCPs laughing its butt off role in the Mauraders is a joke!
I dont think you get my fit or my point!
It has better resists (so it fits a better active tank), it has a tracking bonus that the Hyperion doesn't have, it has a webber bonus that the hyperion doesn't have, it can fit a full rack of guns and still have room for tractors, salvagers, or whatever else you want to put in those high slots, it gets a tractor range bonus, it moves a mid slow to a low slot (allowing for more tank and/or gank), it's faster, it has a bigger cargohold, it can lock more targets at a time, it has a longer targeting range. Oh, and, thanks to the fact that it only fits 4 guns, it's easier to keep cap stable.
Your fit is ****, your skills are ****, your understanding of game mechanics is ****. Quit whining and put railguns on the Kronos, like you're supposed to.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:49:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:50:41
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:49:39
LVL 4 Maurader, vs lvl 5 Hyperion, a 400 million isk difference.
lvl 4 hybrids and rail guns!
MY Hyper gets 1500-2000 damage at range
My Kronos get 250 MAX with 2 Webbers, a TP Tech, 2 A tracking CPU tech 2, 4 electron tech 1 at range With anit matter.
Its a joke. Im simply stateing that Im not getting what I pay for!
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:53:00 -
[39]
Sometimes, when I see posters like you, I get this impulse to take them under my wing and educate them.
Almost always, however, they keep posting, and then I realize that their problem isn't merely ignorance, but stupidity, and there's nothing I can do to fix that.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:55:00 -
[40]
The Maurader says better tracking , better webbing, 100% more damage equaling that of a reg BS at 8 guns ok, then why when a PVE BS comes into range of 4 electron tech blasters they do nothing but tickle!
So I hopp in my MY Hyperion with 425s, go to same mission at correct range and get a kill within 5- 7 volleys at range????????
Wait I thought Mauraders had better this and that its bullchitZ!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:57:00 -
[41]
You're still confusing volley and DPS.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:57:00 -
[42]
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Sometimes, when I see posters like you, I get this impulse to take them under my wing and educate them.
Almost always, however, they keep posting, and then I realize that their problem isn't merely ignorance, but stupidity, and there's nothing I can do to fix that.
Oh he is simply trolling you to get you to keep explaining yourself so he can keep fapping. No matter what you say he will simply ignore it and repeat the same thing he previously said hoping that you will arse yourself to explain all over again. And there is something you can do to fix that. Don't feed him and he will go away as the thread eventually drops off the first page. 
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:58:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zivoril
The Maurader says better tracking , better webbing, 100% more damage equaling that of a reg BS at 8 guns ok, then why when a PVE BS comes into range of 4 electron tech blasters they do nothing but tickle!
Did you miss the part where I explained that the volley damage on 425s is substantially higher than ah **** it.
You're either a troll, or hopeless.
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FISHANDCHIPS
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:58:00 -
[44]
Its because your using blasters you idiot if you bothered to read the specs or have a clue you would know why they suck for pve
PS.comparing blasters to rails that's goto be the best thing ive read all day
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:00:00 -
[45]
Tippa, I do not get it!!!!!!!!!!!! If my Kronos is in range with a PVE BS at 2700 with 4 electron blasters, and hits at 250 damage while Im webbing it.
Then WHY does my Hyperion at range say 23 with same antimatter , hits with 1500- 2000 damage????
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:04:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Kail Storm on 04/09/2010 20:05:05
Ok hes a confirmed troll...
Volley DMG Vs DPS has been stated now what? 8 times.
DMG Per Second and Single shot/ Volley is differant Cave Troll
And even though I know this I still respond...I am Drunk or ******ed.
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"If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed"
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:06:00 -
[47]
Im happy to hear superior ideas, and or thoughts but, when you all collectively speak you sound as if Blasters for BS at even THERE DEAD ON RANGE suxs why???
If CCP told my the 4 electron blasters with anitmatter at 2400 does X amount of damage then dammit it should I keep hearing you excuse that only use Rail guns etc.
Btw I've been switching back and forth between my hyperion and Maurader and seen nothing but lies about up close range blasters Vs PVE BS!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:07:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Tippia on 04/09/2010 20:07:26
Originally by: Zivoril
Tippa, I do not get it!!!!!!!!!!!! If my Kronos is in range with a PVE BS at 2700 with 4 electron blasters, and hits at 250 damage while Im webbing it.
Then WHY does my Hyperion at range say 23 with same antimatter , hits with 1500- 2000 damage????
Because your Kronos is hitting somehting with 80% resists; the Hype is not.
Because the Kronos is actually out of range; the Hype is not.
Because the Kronos has low volley/high RoF; the Hype does not.
Because you've fit the two differently.
àetc etc etc.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:08:00 -
[49]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO same damn mission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:10:00 -
[50]
Oh well why not..
Have you tried putting electron blasters on your hype and seeing what the damage is?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:28:00 -
[51]
seriously...
you fit rails on hype... they have LOW rate of fire and HIGH dmg.
you fit blasters on kronos... they have high rate of fire and lower dmg.
now whta AMMO do you use on ur hyp and on ur kronos
if u, for example, use antimatter ammo on your hype and IRON on kronos... that really tells me why you get such crap dmg.
allso if you played 4 years youd know theres things like best named guns and use them instead of bare t1... they do ALOT more dmg.
now go fit 8 blasters on your hype and compare dmg.
if you cant do this and answer the questions ppl ask... you just need to l2p and stop ebaying accs.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:53:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:50:41
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:49:39
LVL 4 Maurader, vs lvl 5 Hyperion, a 400 million isk difference.
lvl 4 hybrids and rail guns!
MY Hyper gets 1500-2000 damage at range
My Kronos get 250 MAX with 2 Webbers, a TP Tech, 2 A tracking CPU tech 2, 4 electron tech 1 at range With anit matter.
Its a joke. Im simply stateing that Im not getting what I pay for!
you not comparing equal guns for 1. If you use the same guns on both ships Raw DPS will be the same. The kronos will have better effective DPS because it gets a tracking bonus. You will also get a bit better tank on a kronos.
Thats not worth the price tag on a kronos to me. A kronos is a crap marauder and hybrids are crap weapons. You would of probably been better off using a paladin and running amarr based missions.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:02:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Footoo Rama on 04/09/2010 22:02:28
Great troll!!!
He is refusing to see the difference between volley and dps...
1000 dps = 4 guns doing 1000 dps every 4 seconds log reads 4000 points of dmg
1000 dps = 4 guns doing 250 dps every second log reads 1000 points of dmg
Hint they do the same damage over time... One is a blaster the other is a rail...
2nd blaster fitting a kronos is major fail... esp with no speed mod.
3rd Mixing buffer with active tank in PvE = fail
If you do not understand what this all means after 4 years then eve may be too complicated for you and perhaps you should try wow.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:16:00 -
[54]
Screw wow, should maybe make sure he doesn't have his knife and fork confused at dinnertime. I hear stabbing your gums with a knife is almost as painful as this thread.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:40:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 22:41:26
I switched to anode neatron, yes there is a differnce but, not as much as should be!!!!!!!! Usieng Blasters, at close and in range regardless of gun should do massive damage!
My point holds some water.
This is an alt Btw an up close alt, not a sniper!
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 22:41:26
I switched to anode neatron, yes there is a differnce but, not as much as should be!!!!!!!! Usieng Blasters, at close and in range regardless of gun should do massive damage!
My point holds some water.
This is an alt Btw an up close alt, not a sniper!
Your build is fail, and you refuse to explain where you are getting your dmg numbers... congrats you now have a large bounty on you.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:56:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Footoo Rama
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 22:41:26
I switched to anode neatron, yes there is a differnce but, not as much as should be!!!!!!!! Usieng Blasters, at close and in range regardless of gun should do massive damage!
My point holds some water.
This is an alt Btw an up close alt, not a sniper!
Your build is fail, and you refuse to explain where you are getting your dmg numbers... congrats you now have a large bounty on you.
Bring it oh please come and find me put a bounty so huge every noob pilot with a frigate will shot me on sight!
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Zivoril
Bring it oh please come and find me put a bounty so huge every noob pilot with a frigate will shoot me on sight!
By your level of incompetence the noob frigate might destroy your marauder in a lengthy and humiliating process
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Drago Katsov
Caldari
0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:11:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Drago Katsov on 04/09/2010 23:13:16
So you claim you have been playing for 4 years. Judging by your lack of understanding you are ither full of BS or have been mining your entire 4 youre of playing EvE.
I will try talking to you like you are a noob. Every thing CCP sais isnt always true. Blasters have the worst range and tracking but blasters have high damage per second. Rails have a large range, have low damage per second but have a high volley. Even with perfect skills large neutron blasters have an optimal of 3,600km with Antimater. After optimal range the damage reduces the more you enter fall off.
The optimal Kronos fit is to use Rails. Not blasters. Kill the BS/Cruisers as they approatch and kill frigs with drones(assuming you have the skills for drones). I would try EFT as I do not use the Kronos and never thought of using one because the Kronos is the worst Marauder and Hybrid Turrets are the worst turret in game.
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:45:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Bomberlocks
I also find it very hard to believe you've been playing for 4 years and don't have T2 hybrid skills yet. But anyway, you really need an AB on your Kronos if you want to use it in PvE, since you'll need to close distance to your targets.
You're also confusing Alpha, or volley shot, with DPS. The dps of the blasters should be much higher than that of the rails.
It's possible to have played that long and not have T2 hybrid skills yet.
I've been playing over two years, and haven't even trained T1 medium hybrids. My only gunnery skills are Weapon Upgrades and Advanced Weapon Upgrades. Everything missiles is at 5 though.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:47:00 -
[61]
Originally by: 1600 RT
Edited by: 1600 RT on 04/09/2010 19:40:42
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:32
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:37:08
Since I have Target painter and sig radius to lvl 5 I thought that with a Kronos, tracking abiltiy, and webbers I could hit frigates at close range ( with large blasters at range 2400). I am wrong????????????????
I'm doing welll against smaller ships but, when I get BS in range it sucks for damage WTF!
1 there is a skill called sig radius in EVE?
2 yes you can hit frigate if you know to keep transversal at decent levels
3 for blasters a 2nd web will help you more than a target painter
Originally by: Zivoril
Pure crap Monkey than why the 500 million CCPs laughing its butt off role in the Mauraders is a joke!
or you just plain sux at eve
i vote the 2nd
Yet to see you post anything really constructive other than abuse in this thread, get over yourself and help out if you can, otherwise stfu and dont bother, someone here clearly asking for advice and doesnt have much of a clue, least you can do is give them some of your endless wisdom rather than your trollish abuse.
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Drago Katsov
Caldari
0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:50:00 -
[62]
Ahhh so your main appears.....lol
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Drago Katsov
Ahhh so your main appears.....lol
you accusing me of being his main?
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Drago Katsov
Caldari
0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:54:00 -
[64]
it was a joke but hey this is EvE people have several alts who really knows if your his main or not.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:56:00 -
[65]
Im not...
This is my only active character and other than one I sold for isk 3 years ago the only one I have ever posted with.
Alts:
Fly Boy
GFL Kalori
Both inactive for a number of years and never used other than to impersoante other people and get me banned for a week or two ;)
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Ayea Poulain
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Posted - 2010.09.05 00:17:00 -
[66]
I'll bite just incase this isn't a troll
firstly congrats on getting the Kronos!
secondly the blasters might be doing rubbish damage because your out of opitmal range and in fall off range, which will have a large impact with electron blasters, you have to be right on top of your target, with 3km if I remember correctly.
thirdly your fit could do with some work, the main suggestion I would make is to drop the electron blasters firstly the range is terrible even if the dps is good, the Kronos is a slow ship and chugging along to each NPC is going to take a while, and maybe think about switching back to those 425mm rails, you'll be in range sooner and you can apply your damage sooner which is more dps if you follow my drift. As for the rest of it, I'd suggest dropping that 1600mm plate, two of the hardeners and replace them with 1x t2 Damage Control little for the resists but mainly it for what it does for structure, its an expensive ship after all and 2x Mag Field Stabs for more damage or just go with 3x Mag Field Stabs.
Hope that helps a little
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Wardeneo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.05 00:57:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Wardeneo on 05/09/2010 00:57:57
Originally by: Zivoril
<shipType value="Kronos" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
<hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Electron Blaster Cannon I" />
</fitting
i lol'd... - t1 guns - not even named, on a marauder ^^ --> me thinks he got them from ebay
/me sighs.....
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:03:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 01:03:53
HOLY FING CRAP YES CAPS ARE WARRENTED! Like I said, early on " I am AMMAR and have recenlty trained to Galentee.
Did the dipchits that saw my Avater not get it!!!!
Anyway, thank to those who backed me, F... those who didnt!
Again, to those so stoopid to get it. I've been flying Ammar ships for 3-4 years just started to Galentee.\
Nobody reads anymore its all a chit storm.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:17:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 01:18:17
To put MY THREAD to bed/rest! My lvl 4 Muarader with tech 1 lvl hybirds suxed! I did switch to 425 compresed coils and Im suprised!
Equiped with 2 fleeting webbers
a target painter 2 with sig radius at lvl 5
and a tech 2 cpu enhancer the guns claim 33 km optial range yet, anything within 10mm is destroyed.
Havnet seen INTYs yet in my LVL 4 missions, My goblonss should get em, with webs on.! Weird how I destroy frigs and when watcheing the notations at the top screen it still says my guns are missing them!
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:18:00 -
[70]
^
So you're flying a ship without the proper skills to fly it? If you just started on Gallente, do you really think a Marauder is the first thing to get into?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:20:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 01:21:00
Originally by: Daergaar
^
So you're flying a ship without the proper skills to fly it? If you just started on Gallente, do you really think a Marauder is the first thing to get into?
Wrong, lvl 4 Maureder with lvl4 hybrids what so wrong! I could have chosen the PALADIN!
I have a mix of Ammar and Galentee!
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:22:00 -
[72]
OK, you were Amarr, and decided to change.
Why the hell to Gallente??!?
We can offer you 9% damage increase at the cost of 80% range! But, that is not all, we can offer active armour tanking at the cost of resists (helping buffer, active and RR fits)
With these short ranges, we add a bonus of extremely slow ships to boot.
Are you happy with your choice yet?
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I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:25:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Zilberfrid
OK, you were Amarr, and decided to change.
Why the hell to Gallente??!?
We can offer you 9% damage increase at the cost of 80% range! But, that is not all, we can offer active armour tanking at the cost of resists (helping buffer, active and RR fits)
With these short ranges, we add a bonus of extremely slow ships to boot.
Are you happy with your choice yet?
Absolutely, My Arstate is DOMINANT OVER MY ABSOLUTION! So I continued, yes yes and yes, I have verygood balance!
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Wardeneo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 01:21:00
Wrong, lvl 4 Maureder with lvl4 hybrids what so wrong! I could have chosen the PALADIN!
I lol'd again, ur flying a gellente t2 bs and u cant even use small t2 hybrids lol - u might want to train a little more- lets not try and run before we can walk eh?
and could have chosen a paladin? - y didn't u? - paladin = better than kronos
and something tells me by the way ur trolling that this is one of those stealth boost hybrids whine thread... and considering theres a million and one buff gellente/hybrid boost posts id say im not far from the truth...
also 1 yes hybrids need a bit of love BUT lets not turn this into another hybrid buff post so....
moving onto the next point - ..... i think u need anger management, because you posted this thread asking for help yet all ive seen u do is smack and dish out abuse at pilots that seem to know more on the subject than u do!?!
time to chill out maybe? - i think so...
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:35:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 02:37:57
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 02:37:28
Yes, Wardeneo- you are now my slave! Hows it feel!
Btw, your younger version of avatar looks cool, if your a young punk. My older version avatar excels and beats your avatar because, its the smooth wiser you just got check mated look!
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Chaos' Heart
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Zivoril
So, been playing for 3-4 years, I got my Maurader (Kronos) to lvl 4. Btw, my large hybird guns are only LVL 4.
Equiped with 4 electron with anti matter, range 2400.
This is what disturbes me.
CCP claims hybird have the worst of all ranges but, the best damage. OK!
Then why does my Hyperion with 425 type railguns hit in range with 1500 or more damage, while my LVL 4 Maurader, that has 100% damage with hybird with lvl 4 type guns, in range can best only 250 t0 350 , this is with btyw, a fleeting web and target painter 2 at lvl 5! With signature at 5 as well????
Wait electron blasters Vs Rail guns? How did U even find a comparison on those.. I mean 1 is the shortest range in the game the other is a pretty decnt long range w/ crap DPS Throw 425's on the Kronos FFS
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:53:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 02:53:19
Edited by: Zivoril on 05/09/2010 02:52:51
I was looking for a short range frigate killer PVE! My alt is long range, EVERYONE JUST SHUT IT -i GOT MY kRONOS dialed in now!!!!!!!!!!! Its a frigate killer like I wanted!
END THread!
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.09.05 04:58:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tippia
àfor the record, at 2400m, a standard mission rat hit with a 90% web will still require your large guns to have a tracking speed of ~0.13 rad/s in order to provide 1:1 tracking ù i.e. a 50% hit chance.
for the record, at 2400m a standard mission rat will fly in a straight line away from you, and with a 90% web you better be faster than it. 0 transversal velocity ftw!
OP you are using keep at range and not orbit right?
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.09.05 08:56:00 -
[79]
I am bumping this thread to make sure other EVE-O forum goers have the chance to humiliate, belittle and mock this most epic of nubtards.
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Jaliri Naskad
The Thorn Foundation
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Posted - 2010.09.05 19:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Zivoril
Whats sad is I simply switched from electron to Model neautron Blasters, a second Webber and low sot from armor 2 mto tracking enhancer. Now even when the screen says my Blaster missed the frigate , its wrong cause 2 to 3 hits later its obliterated! yet another CCP fail-works for me though!
So, wait... first you complain about volley damage against battleships being different for blasters vs rails. Now you're saying you spent at least a month of training and over half a billion ISK to fly the perfect frigate killing platform? You know what else kills frigates? Light drones. And you don't need to fly an alt to use them.
I guess I should add, to salvage a fragment of my self respect for feeding a troll, that I'm not really addressing Zivoril here. I'm addressing any nooblet with half a brain who happens to stumble into this train wreck of a thread.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.06 00:31:00 -
[81]
STOP REPLYING TO THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THE WORLDS SUPPLY OF LUBE AND TISSUE PAPER!!!!1111
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.06 01:49:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 01:52:16
Yes, yesssss, you have fallen into my trap and are all my SLAVES, now bow- and continue into the thought control I have over you all!
heck why not at this point even those who have made even the best points FAIL! I had a point that was sucked into the UNDERTOE of the wave of "IM THE MOST INTELLECTUAL PILOT IN EVE THIS IS WHAT I SAY"!! Happens every time.
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Johannus Shand
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Posted - 2010.09.06 01:56:00 -
[83]
Just because no one has said it yet. If you had been playing for four years you would know...
RAILS SUCK
CCP and the community at large agree.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.06 03:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zivoril
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 01:52:16
Yes, yesssss, you have fallen into my trap and are all my SLAVES, now bow- and continue into the thought control I have over you all!
heck why not at this point even those who have made even the best points FAIL! I had a point that was sucked into the UNDERTOE of the wave of "IM THE MOST INTELLECTUAL PILOT IN EVE THIS IS WHAT I SAY"!! Happens every time.
I'm sort of leaning back towards, "Not actually a troll - is really this dumb."
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Xai Rayna
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:50:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Zivoril
Absolutely, My Arstate is DOMINANT OVER MY ABSOLUTION! So I continued, yes yes and yes, I have verygood balance!
Obvious troll is obvious. Gallente CSs are by far the worst of the 4 races.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.06 07:25:00 -
[86]
This thread makes me lol.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.06 07:44:00 -
[87]
Zivoril, have you considered running for a position on the CSM? You seem like ideal material and I, for one, would definitely vote for you.
Zivoril for CSM10!
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Flapkonijn
Diamonds and Guns
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Posted - 2010.09.06 12:04:00 -
[88]
I havn't had so much fun on the forums for months reading this thread 
Every response got more funny specialy when the OP responded =)
I have to agree with earlier mentioned "really troll or really that dumb" but there you go.
But to put some troll feed down:
I have been flying Kronos for over 2 years now (I know its the worst of the 4 but i think it's the most beautifull) and with 425mm's if you primary frigs on long range you need 1 gun per frig to make them pop.
Which means you kill 50% tot 100% of the frigs in any mission within 2 minutes.
I have tried identical DPS/RANGE and LVL SPEED fits op hyp, rokh, and kronos.
And don't know if it's because of 4 or 8 but kronos still seems to kill a bit faster then the hyp but not much in it indeed.
Fastest time i set for WC:
Kronos around 45 mins.
Hyperion can't do it under an hour but it's not just DPS there. (And got all skills on V so)
Anyway my 2 cents worth.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.06 13:34:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 13:35:16
While trying many different set ups Ive decided much like the pilot above me to use 425s, and at range they do POP frigs in one shot. Haveing fun useing my Kronos and other alt in lvl 4 missions etc.
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:12:00 -
[90]
considering how you are incapable of taking damage per second and multiplying by rate of fire to see a real dps figure, could I recommend to you a machariel with artillery?
It can do around 14,000 damages each hit, and should make you literally cream your pants with excitement.
It will also use your gallente bs skills, although require training minmataar bs also.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 14:24:14
No thanks I have trained all races but, dont think Ill ever train for Minmitar. Basically, as any pilots knows it fun switching things up on a vareity of ships. IE putting lasers on a non laser ship, ofcourse by doing so you dont get that particular ships advantage with said weapons, I was originally going for a close ranbge frigs killer, in my Kronos (we all know how natsy it is getting caught scramed and dead). Experimenting with Blasters, then neutorns was a difference but, ofcourse trail and error is always an individaul taste. My alts i use when doing lvl 4 are always 1) to get the frigs out of the way ASAP, then my 2)does the big work. Intially I noticed that the Blasters with webs and a Target painter were not doing very well even more shocked at being in range against PVE Battleships and seeing little damage, the Neutrons worked better, but not enough to keep them, My Hyperion with 425s does a better job, but not as good as my Kronos with 425s, so there I have it.
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Sagesse
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:35:00 -
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I think playtime is somewhat irrelevant all round.
I do think you need ot actually stop and just listen to what folks are trying to tell you, which is that your Kronos fit is suboptimal so any results you are getting vs any other ship are somewhat irrelevant, look back yourself to say the first time you fitted your hyperion and ask yourself if you got the same results then as you get now ? - most ship fits especially for missions are evolving things and it takes time to find an optimal fit, I would suggest that you look at your tracking, compare it with the hype and kronos, look at maybe switching out some stuff and shaking up your fit and see if things improve. There will be an issue somewhere that is causing your problem and it may be buried in the maths somewhere, but we can rule out the kronos as being essentially bad as otherwise this forum would be rammed with gallente whiners and the the ships wouldnt get built :)
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister
Zivoril, have you considered running for a position on the CSM? You seem like ideal material and I, for one, would definitely vote for you.
Zivoril for CSM10!
QFT!
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:52:00 -
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1 - My Kronos with its 425mm rails kills frigates just fine. Why you would fit blasters for this task is lost on me.
2 - Why on earth would you bring in a battleship as a dedicated frigate killing vessel when there are so many other cheaper ships that would perform better in that role?
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:56:00 -
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I hear ya, I like my Kronos and its fits the role I need it for just fine. As I said, I was experimenting!
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:02:00 -
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I also fly the Kronos, my hits vs blood raider rats are between 1500-4000 every 4.6 seconds. In short: You fail.
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:09:00 -
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PLAY HIM OFF KEYBOARD CAT...
(now plz the lock for obvious trolling)
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 15:14:52
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 15:13:20
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 15:12:19
Edited by: Zivoril on 06/09/2010 15:11:17
Heres my current Kronos fit, not dont have T2 hybirds yet, but even though still a great PVE ship!
rigs 2 Large capacitor control circuit 1
have T2 Hammers and Gobs as well
highs
4x 425 compressed coil gun anti matter ammo
2x Large YF-12A for the frigs when they get in range
Salvager 1
meds
1x cap rechager 2
2x Fleeting webber
1x Target painter 2
lows
2x armor thermic harder,2x armor kinetic,1large armor reparier,tracking enhancer 2,magnetic field stab2,
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