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Cebraio	Posted - 2010.09.17 15:20:00 - [271] Originally by: Bodrul http://www.ifrc.org/ Red Cross and Red Creasent who they are Also - annual report for 2008 (latest issue): http://www.ifrc.org/Docs/pubs/who/ar2008-en.pdf It contains their financial figures, including all their earnings and expenses. If you don't like it, you can chose a different organization to donate to. All the well known charity organizations have these financial reports. About your questions to CCP: If you don't trust CCP and think they scam you about this ... No offense meant, but you sound a bit paranoid there. But still, maybe mods could give more insight about CCP's part in the whole process.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.09.17 15:36:00 - [272] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/09/2010 15:43:44 Originally by: Cebraio About your questions to CCP: If you don't trust CCP and think they scam you about this ... No offense meant, but you sound a bit paranoid there. No offense taken but it has nothing to do with being paranoid..Its about opening your eyes to the real world. In any case..this shouldnt be a reason not to donate I agree.Even if 1 out of 10 million gets to the people..its 1 million more than they would have had without donations.But dont think for a second that im blind to the fact that there will be people in any organisation,who will help themselves where they can..instead or while helping others. one example after 5 min of google-fu.. Linkage Edit:For every relief effort..theres hundreds of people who scam in their name..look at that statistic and tell me what that says about man kind.
FOEHAMMER006 Macabre Votum	Posted - 2010.09.17 15:52:00 - [273] I tried to have a conversation about this, but CCP have to be neo-youknowwhats. IS THIS CONSTRUCTIVE ENOUGH? No I won't donate. -------------------------------- Don't QQ about me posting.
daddys helper	Posted - 2010.09.17 15:57:00 - [274] Edited by: daddys helper on 17/09/2010 15:59:11 I don't understand how this works so CCP is going to collect plex from us and resell it? PLEX costs the players time or money PLEX costs CCP nothing am I getting this right? CCP wants us to donate the "money" that CCP prints? I guess charity is great when it comes from someone elses pockets huh? (yes I know you pay the fees, As an American I have no idea about your VAT and other Eurocentric taxation things so it really does not register in my mind, but if I was donating cash from sales to something and offered to cover the sales tax, I'd frankly be getting a bargin) I'll stick with donating via the normal chanels as I don't believe in everyone and their brother running private charities, especially not when you are a for-profit outfit. As a for profit you can not maximize the funds like a non-profit can
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.09.17 16:01:00 - [275] Sorry, I'm not going to give. My country already gives billions to Pakistan...so, I've already given whether I wanted to or not.
Ira Theos	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:03:00 - [276] Originally by: Mr Kidd Sorry, I'm not going to give. My country already gives billions to Pakistan...so, I've already given whether I wanted to or not. *********************** QFT !**
James Moroci	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:16:00 - [277] i wont pay for pakistan. as they keep having teorists nest in there country. simple as that!
bilingi	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:20:00 - [278] Tell them to quit shooting at me then running and hiding in a village across the border and I will donate some plex right now I am on a rest period from donating 5.56mms
Ira Theos	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:23:00 - [279] Originally by: bilingi Tell them to quit shooting at me then running and hiding in a village across the border and I will donate some plex right now I am on a rest period from donating 5.56mms ********************** best post yet and sure to be deleted by the Truth Squad**
Brandrsun Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:23:00 - [280] Originally by: bilingi Tell them to quit shooting at me then running and hiding in a village across the border and I will donate some plex right now I am on a rest period from donating 5.56mms QFT
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:40:00 - [281] Edited by: Aelius on 17/09/2010 17:41:59 I'm not donating any plex for this reason (i know this will infuriate a lot of people but it's what i think and believe) According to numbers, in the last 50 years human population as grown exponentially. Furthermore the human race is the only species in the planet that "escapes" the Darwin law of natural selection. It's, in my understanding, that soon rather than latter some type of huge catastrophe will strike the human race. Or we push the planet to its limit and ultimately die with it or Mother Nature figures out a way of killing us by the millions balancing things up (natural law is all about balance), this last one prolly will happen due to the appearance of some type of super-virus. As we escape Darwin's law it becomes clear than when it finally catch up with us, the consequences will be huge. Pakistan and India are some of the countries growing in population WAY beyond what the planet can support. While i feel bad for them and my initial reflex is "lets help those poor guys", we all need to think that people die everyday and as dire as death may seem, it's part of life, and part of nature. Currently the planet would be better off with less some billions of humans. I know that you are going to flame me, but if you think about this more deeply you will know i'm right. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) _________________________
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:55:00 - [282] Originally by: DarkSchneider666 Earthquakes, Floods, fights with India, corrupt government, Al-qaeda Insurgents, Pakistan is sure a crappy place in live. I think Mother Nature is doing us a favor by destroying such a place. The civilians should go elsewhere to less **ty places. 1/5 of the country is flooded, it must be a Sign from The Glorious God himself to tell those Pakistanis to HTFU and go somewhere else. Don't give them PLEX send them a postcard that says HTFU. Or: Earthquakes, Floods, fights with the rest of the world, corrupt government, Al-qaeda Insurgents, America is sure a crappy place in live. I think Mother Nature is doing us a favor by destroying such a place. The civilians should go elsewhere to less **ty places. 1/5 of the country is flooded in hurricane season , it must be a Sign from The Glorious God himself to tell those Americans to HTFU and go somewhere else. Send them a postcard that says HTFU.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:57:00 - [283] Originally by: bilingi Tell them to quit shooting at me then running and hiding in a village across the border and I will donate some plex right now I am on a rest period from donating 5.56mms In the case that what you say is even true..I feel sorry for you.Your a pawn in a game you know nothing about. Id think it over before one of those 5.56mms comes your way.
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.09.17 21:27:00 - [284] Originally by: daddys helper Edited by: daddys helper on 17/09/2010 15:59:11 I don't understand how this works so CCP is going to collect plex from us and resell it? PLEX costs the players time or money PLEX costs CCP nothing am I getting this right? CCP wants us to donate the "money" that CCP prints? I guess charity is great when it comes from someone elses pockets huh? (yes I know you pay the fees, As an American I have no idea about your VAT and other Eurocentric taxation things so it really does not register in my mind, but if I was donating cash from sales to something and offered to cover the sales tax, I'd frankly be getting a bargin) I'll stick with donating via the normal chanels as I don't believe in everyone and their brother running private charities, especially not when you are a for-profit outfit. As a for profit you can not maximize the funds like a non-profit can Thank you for summarising my thoughts in a clear and concise way. CCP claim they will donate the money raised to Red Cresent. At what dollar value? How much administration costs are bing collected on the way through? Who is paying the currency conversion fees? How does the tax system in Iceland recognise this contribution? Who gets the credit? What is your motiviation for doing this: If you were serious about getting aid to the people in Pakistan why dont you just put links to red cresent, CCF, WV, UNICEF on your front page? Why is there a need to create an intermediary/middleman - its less efficient and consumes resources? Why are you promoting the transfer of PLEX over simply asking for isk donations? A simple lesson in life: If someone who has been found in the past to be untrustworthy asks for your trust be prepared to close your heart [or wallet in this case] and walk away.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.09.17 22:17:00 - [285] Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 17/09/2010 18:33:47 I'm not donating any plex for this reason (i know this will infuriate a lot of people but it's what i think and believe) According to numbers, in the last 50 years human population has grown exponentially. Furthermore the human race is the only species in the planet that "escapes" the Darwin law of natural selection. It's, in my understanding, that soon rather than latter some type of huge catastrophe will strike the human race. Or we push the planet to its limit and ultimately die with it or Mother Nature figures out a way of killing us by the millions balancing things up (natural law is all about balance), this last one prolly will happen due to the appearance of some type of super-virus. As we escape Darwin's law it becomes clear than when it finally catch up with us, the consequences will be huge. Pakistan and India are some of the countries growing in population WAY beyond what the planet can support. While i feel bad for them and my initial reflex is "lets help those poor guys", we all need to think that people die everyday and as dire as death may seem, it's part of life, and part of nature. Currently the planet would be better off with less some billions of humans. I know that you are going to flame me, but if you think about this more deeply you will know i'm right. You are indeed correct, what it comes down to however, is whether or not you can stand tall and accept your fate when you and your family are on the chopping block? THAT is the measure of your beliefs, your logic is not flawed, but putting other people and families beneath your own, is flawed. If we were to remove 1/2 the human population to save the world, I'd imagine you'd be fine with it if you were on the winning side.
Ditch Pig	Posted - 2010.09.17 22:45:00 - [286] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 17/09/2010 18:33:47 I'm not donating any plex for this reason (i know this will infuriate a lot of people but it's what i think and believe) According to numbers, in the last 50 years human population has grown exponentially. Furthermore the human race is the only species in the planet that "escapes" the Darwin law of natural selection. It's, in my understanding, that soon rather than latter some type of huge catastrophe will strike the human race. Or we push the planet to its limit and ultimately die with it or Mother Nature figures out a way of killing us by the millions balancing things up (natural law is all about balance), this last one prolly will happen due to the appearance of some type of super-virus. As we escape Darwin's law it becomes clear than when it finally catch up with us, the consequences will be huge. Pakistan and India are some of the countries growing in population WAY beyond what the planet can support. While i feel bad for them and my initial reflex is "lets help those poor guys", we all need to think that people die everyday and as dire as death may seem, it's part of life, and part of nature. Currently the planet would be better off with less some billions of humans. I know that you are going to flame me, but if you think about this more deeply you will know i'm right. You are indeed correct, what it comes down to however, is whether or not you can stand tall and accept your fate when you and your family are on the chopping block? THAT is the measure of your beliefs, your logic is not flawed, but putting other people and families beneath your own, is flawed. If we were to remove 1/2 the human population to save the world, I'd imagine you'd be fine with it if you were on the winning side. Oh please, that's melodramatic drivel. The earth cannot support an infinite number of people but it's the poor, illiterate, and uneducated that keep breeding like flies. So many men have nothing of value to offer the world but they think "leaving their seed" is a testament to their life. Some sort of expert said today that pakistan will need tens of billions to recover and there is no way they can expect that through donations. The biggest tragedy here is that we keep hearing this story in the media.
P1SS0NCCP	Posted - 2010.09.18 00:21:00 - [287] I will not be donating to this cause. Simply because I believe there are better causes closer to home that are more worthy to donate to. That and the region that support would be going to has over the past 25 years made it very clear that the county I love and live in should be razed to the ground.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.18 01:23:00 - [288] this thread is ban-bait.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.18 01:52:00 - [289] CCP ARE LEGENDS END OF STORY, and I'd like to take the time to quote the words of a wise person known to me. "None stand as tall as the one who stoops down to help a person in need"
Arryn Bakagin	Posted - 2010.09.18 02:00:00 - [290] Originally by: Ditch Pig Edited by: Ditch Pig on 17/09/2010 23:13:40 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 17/09/2010 18:33:47 I'm not donating any plex for this reason (i know this will infuriate a lot of people but it's what i think and believe) According to numbers, in the last 50 years human population has grown exponentially. Furthermore the human race is the only species in the planet that "escapes" the Darwin law of natural selection. It's, in my understanding, that soon rather than latter some type of huge catastrophe will strike the human race. Or we push the planet to its limit and ultimately die with it or Mother Nature figures out a way of killing us by the millions balancing things up (natural law is all about balance), this last one prolly will happen due to the appearance of some type of super-virus. As we escape Darwin's law it becomes clear than when it finally catch up with us, the consequences will be huge. Pakistan and India are some of the countries growing in population WAY beyond what the planet can support. While i feel bad for them and my initial reflex is "lets help those poor guys", we all need to think that people die everyday and as dire as death may seem, it's part of life, and part of nature. Currently the planet would be better off with less some billions of humans. I know that you are going to flame me, but if you think about this more deeply you will know i'm right. You are indeed correct, what it comes down to however, is whether or not you can stand tall and accept your fate when you and your family are on the chopping block? THAT is the measure of your beliefs, your logic is not flawed, but putting other people and families beneath your own, is flawed. If we were to remove 1/2 the human population to save the world, I'd imagine you'd be fine with it if you were on the winning side. Oh please, that's melodramatic drivel. The earth cannot support an infinite number of people but it's the poor, illiterate, and uneducated that keep breeding like flies. So many men have nothing of value to offer the world but they think "leaving their seed" is a testament to their meaningless unproductive life. Some sort of expert said today that pakistan will need tens of billions to recover and there is no way they can expect that through donations. The biggest tragedy here is that we keep hearing this story in the media. He's also objectively wrong. Research has shown that helping alleviate poverty and improve living conditions actually lowers population growth and birth rates. If you are honestly concerned about overpopulation you have two choices, extermination or aid. I know which side I fall on.
DarkSchneider666	Posted - 2010.09.18 03:28:00 - [291] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: DarkSchneider666 Earthquakes, Floods, fights with India, corrupt government, Al-qaeda Insurgents, Pakistan is sure a crappy place in live. I think Mother Nature is doing us a favor by destroying such a place. The civilians should go elsewhere to less **ty places. 1/5 of the country is flooded, it must be a Sign from The Glorious God himself to tell those Pakistanis to HTFU and go somewhere else. Don't give them PLEX send them a postcard that says HTFU. Or: Earthquakes, Floods, fights with the rest of the world, corrupt government, Al-qaeda Insurgents, America is sure a crappy place in live. I think Mother Nature is doing us a favor by destroying such a place. The civilians should go elsewhere to less **ty places. 1/5 of the country is flooded in hurricane season , it must be a Sign from The Glorious God himself to tell those Americans to HTFU and go somewhere else. Send them a postcard that says HTFU. Earthquakes and floods only happen on a small part of America. All governments are corrupt, but its better than nothing, it much better than most governments that currently exist. 1/5 country? You need glasses or you're stupid to not know how much 1/5 is. Without America the world will be a worse place, trust me. If Pakistan was gone, it would have a small effect, India will rejoice and no more Kashmir Conflict. Don't be hatin cause you can't be original and HTFU.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.18 03:43:00 - [292] Originally by: Aaron CCP ARE LEGENDS END OF STORY, and I'd like to take the time to quote the words of a wise person known to me. "None stand as tall as the one who stoops down to help a person in need" Consider for a moment the hurdles CCP would have to go through if CCP where say, based in Pakistan. EVE would be non-existent due to the limitations imposed by religious law. EVE would be considered a corrupting influence on society.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.09.18 03:56:00 - [293] Originally by: Ditch Pig Some sort of expert said today... I like how you can determine his field of expertise. Originally by: Ditch Pig ... that pakistan will need tens of billions to recover ... That's an impressive number! How many zeros does it have?? Originally by: Ditch Pig ... and there is no way they can expect that through donations. Right, so best not to do anything. Also better not to think anything at all or reflect what we hear on the media. All this rocket science about charity! Lets leave it to some sort of experts and repeat what the news say!
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:06:00 - [294] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Aaron CCP ARE LEGENDS END OF STORY, and I'd like to take the time to quote the words of a wise person known to me. "None stand as tall as the one who stoops down to help a person in need" Consider for a moment the hurdles CCP would have to go through if CCP where say, based in Pakistan. EVE would be non-existent due to the limitations imposed by religious law. EVE would be considered a corrupting influence on society. It's not about that. It's about other human beings in a terrible situation. You either care, or you don't. There's no excuses. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:09:00 - [295] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Aaron CCP ARE LEGENDS END OF STORY, and I'd like to take the time to quote the words of a wise person known to me. "None stand as tall as the one who stoops down to help a person in need" Consider for a moment the hurdles CCP would have to go through if CCP where say, based in Pakistan. EVE would be non-existent due to the limitations imposed by religious law. EVE would be considered a corrupting influence on society. It's not about that. It's about other human beings in a terrible situation. You either care, or you don't. There's no excuses. I care for human beings that care for others. When people stop caring for others, that is when I stop caring for them.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:12:00 - [296] Originally by: Atticus Fynch I care for human beings that care for others. When people stop caring for others, that is when I stop caring for them. So because you believe the people of Pakistan have been treated badly by their government you feel justified in not helping them? My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:44:00 - [297] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Aaron CCP ARE LEGENDS END OF STORY, and I'd like to take the time to quote the words of a wise person known to me. "None stand as tall as the one who stoops down to help a person in need" Consider for a moment the hurdles CCP would have to go through if CCP where say, based in Pakistan. EVE would be non-existent due to the limitations imposed by religious law. EVE would be considered a corrupting influence on society. It's not about that. It's about other human beings in a terrible situation. You either care, or you don't. There's no excuses. I care for human beings that care for others. When people stop caring for others, that is when I stop caring for them. I will follow in your footsteps. Please state your country of origin that I know not to donate in the next natural disaster. As you have ceased to care for others I will not care for you or your countrymen. Mr Epeen
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:56:00 - [298] I've seen too much footage of American flags burned in Pakistan. I am now supposed to help? Perhaps as an American I have trouble with the concept of a government that is not of the people. But as far as I'm concerned, the Pakistani government IS the people.
Caila Solarstorm Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.18 05:43:00 - [299] sniper!!! -- I fly Rifters and tackle people!
Arryn Bakagin	Posted - 2010.09.18 06:17:00 - [300] Originally by: DarkSchneider666 Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: DarkSchneider666 Without America the world will be a worse place, trust me. Care to back this up? For any "good" thing America as a nation has done I can probably name a myriad of worse things. Also, before you mention ww2 I would like to remind you that that was a joint effort in which the Soviets actually did most of the heavy lifting.

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