| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
clamslayer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
36
   |
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:09:00 -
[1] - Quote
There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
15
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:11:00 -
[2] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals! |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2474
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:12:00 -
[3] - Quote
There is no freedom, they can be shot by anyone and failing player effort in shooting them, the npc's will do the job in short time anyway.
Freedom my ass.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
29
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:13:00 -
[4] - Quote
They keep saying ungankable.... nothing is ungankable... I believe the word is unprofitable. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
863
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:19:00 -
[5] - Quote
The mining ships are not un-gankable. Freighters are ganked and they have 200k EHP. The new Skiff when tanked has around 100k EHP. Thus it can be ganked with half the effort needed for a freighter.
You just have to want to do the gank and do whats needed to get it.
-10's are allowed in high sec to give that option to those players.
The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
16
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:21:00 -
[6] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.
Even though it's not the BEST balancing affort, it's the simplest... agreed. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
563
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 -
[7] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws...
Maybe because they're too dumb?
brb |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1513
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 -
[8] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1513
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:24:00 -
[9] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.
Tell me more about how DPS and cost have a linear relationship
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
clamslayer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:36:00 -
[10] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues
If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
166
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:36:00 -
[11] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws... Maybe because they're too dumb?
You compare real-world country police to highsec. That is the fallacy.
Nullsec 0.0 surrounded by a sea of blue is the closest you get to a real-world country comparison.
It's people like you who take safety for granted with the complete disregard to the actual violence that preceded it that continue to give new players the false impression highsec is meant to be the end game for them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8818
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:38:00 -
[12] - Quote
Because it's your job to keep -10s out, not the game's.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
|
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
27
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:40:00 -
[13] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals!
There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass. |
Cyprus Black
Metallurgy Inc.
278
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:42:00 -
[14] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers.
When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong.
When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong.
When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong.
When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong.
When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong.
clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge.
Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.
Hijinks of a highsec pirate
http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
86
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.
|
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:43:00 -
[16] - Quote
Garreth Vlox wrote:There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass.
As it should be... given, most Amaricans playing the game will think differently... just kidding, ;-) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4371
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:44:00 -
[17] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
That's right folks
Freedom is the problem
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:49:00 -
[18] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.
Holy ****, show me the 1 million ISK ship that can do that.
It can't be the catalyst, I mean, they cost like what, 1.2 mil unfitted?
Also, is the 300 mil ship completely devoid of any tank midslots while rigged with cargo expanders? |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:51:00 -
[19] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.
I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:54:00 -
[20] - Quote
Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else.
Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^ |
Charlie Jacobson
23
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:54:00 -
[21] - Quote
Think of the poor unarmed asteroids being shot at by the mean laser-hulks! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 20:59:00 -
[22] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^
Since EVE market. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8821
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:00:00 -
[23] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, GǪit's good design. It means that you cannot buy your way out of trouble and that application of game knowledge goes a long way and that the decision to fit every single EHP-lowering module in the game will come back to bite you.
Price is not a balancing factor.
Quote:When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. Yes. The fitting on the barge is wrong.
Quote:When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong.
When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. It sure would be. As luck would have it, neither of those are things that happen in this game.
Quote:Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem No, they really aren't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
|
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:04:00 -
[24] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Price is not a balancing factor.
Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes?
... you really have to try harder with your reasoning.^^ |
Uyeiu
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:07:00 -
[25] - Quote
The gates should be locked to you for systems your sec status flags you for faction navy response. No docking, no POS installation (negative sec status should figure into the standings equation), NO JUMP CLONES OR MEDICAL CLONES would be accessible in systems you can't access (maybe your med clone automatically defaults to the nearest system with sec status still open to you as soon as you get the neg sec status). It would also be fun to do the same for anyone with GCC.
That would go a long way to curbing criminal activities. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8822
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:10:00 -
[26] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes? No. The upset was that a senior game designer was using price-balancing logic when he knows (or should know, given his position) full well that price isn't a balancing factor.
This game has shown it beyond the shadow of a doubt, which makes his statement even more facepalm-inducing.
Uyeiu wrote:The gates should be locked to you for systems your sec status flags you for faction navy response. Why?
Quote:That would go a long way to curbing criminal activities. Why should that happen?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
|
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
27
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:46:00 -
[27] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^
LOL if that "slipped past your radar" it makes me wonder what else went right over your head. Like how to correctly fit a pre-changed hulk to make it almost impossible to gank.
|
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
27
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:48:00 -
[28] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:Price is not a balancing factor. Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes? ... you really have to try harder with your reasoning.^^
No it wasn't and maybe you should use a little of your "reasoning" to actually make a statement that doesn't make you look like a pants-on-head Rtard.
|
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
19
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:49:00 -
[29] - Quote
Garreth Vlox wrote:LOL if that "slipped past your radar" it makes me wonder what else went right over your head. Like how to correctly fit a pre-changed hulk to make it almost impossible to gank.
You know what? That's true... but I never got ganked, cause I didn't mine Jita.  |
clamslayer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2012.07.30 21:51:00 -
[30] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.
it shouldnt cost a hundreds of millions to gank a skiff if you want to use that logic. my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot.
nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca
or hop into a ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target.
if -10 allts couldnt do the above mentioned things, then there would be a lot less griefing of miners |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |