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clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:09:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
15
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:11:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals! |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2474
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:12:00 -
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There is no freedom, they can be shot by anyone and failing player effort in shooting them, the npc's will do the job in short time anyway.
Freedom my ass. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
29
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:13:00 -
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They keep saying ungankable.... nothing is ungankable... I believe the word is unprofitable. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
863
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:19:00 -
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The mining ships are not un-gankable. Freighters are ganked and they have 200k EHP. The new Skiff when tanked has around 100k EHP. Thus it can be ganked with half the effort needed for a freighter.
You just have to want to do the gank and do whats needed to get it.
-10's are allowed in high sec to give that option to those players.
The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
16
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:21:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.
Even though it's not the BEST balancing affort, it's the simplest... agreed. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws... Maybe because they're too dumb? brb |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1513
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1513
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:24:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The purpose of the exhumer change is not to make it so a -10 player cannot gank, it to make the isk needed to gank closer to the isk destroyed.
Tell me more about how DPS and cost have a linear relationship EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues
If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now |
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
166
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:36:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? Not false not true, the major problem is the fact Empire police are the dumbest security forces you can find, even in the crazyest earth territory you can find security forces ganking outlaws with wood sticks and wips, but in eve after discovering interstellar warping systems, advanced weapon systems and pilots surviving they're unable to to something about outlaws... Maybe because they're too dumb?
You compare real-world country police to highsec. That is the fallacy.
Nullsec 0.0 surrounded by a sea of blue is the closest you get to a real-world country comparison.
It's people like you who take safety for granted with the complete disregard to the actual violence that preceded it that continue to give new players the false impression highsec is meant to be the end game for them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8818
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:38:00 -
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Because it's your job to keep -10s out, not the game's. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
27
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:40:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals!
There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass. |
Cyprus Black
Metallurgy Inc.
278
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:42:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers.
When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong.
clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge.
Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:42:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:43:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:There is no freedom the second you undock the cops are on your ass.
As it should be... given, most Amaricans playing the game will think differently... just kidding, ;-) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4371
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:44:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
That's right folks
Freedom is the problem Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:49:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.
Holy ****, show me the 1 million ISK ship that can do that.
It can't be the catalyst, I mean, they cost like what, 1.2 mil unfitted?
Also, is the 300 mil ship completely devoid of any tank midslots while rigged with cargo expanders? |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:51:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? I am sorry that the pvp you are capable of is shooting unarmed mining ships.
I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:54:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else.
Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^ |
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Charlie Jacobson
23
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:54:00 -
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Think of the poor unarmed asteroids being shot at by the mean laser-hulks! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
167
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:59:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^
Since EVE market. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8821
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:00:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, GǪit's good design. It means that you cannot buy your way out of trouble and that application of game knowledge goes a long way and that the decision to fit every single EHP-lowering module in the game will come back to bite you.
Price is not a balancing factor.
Quote:When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. Yes. The fitting on the barge is wrong.
Quote:When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. It sure would be. As luck would have it, neither of those are things that happen in this game.
Quote:Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem No, they really aren't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Price is not a balancing factor.
Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes?
... you really have to try harder with your reasoning.^^ |
Uyeiu
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:07:00 -
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The gates should be locked to you for systems your sec status flags you for faction navy response. No docking, no POS installation (negative sec status should figure into the standings equation), NO JUMP CLONES OR MEDICAL CLONES would be accessible in systems you can't access (maybe your med clone automatically defaults to the nearest system with sec status still open to you as soon as you get the neg sec status). It would also be fun to do the same for anyone with GCC.
That would go a long way to curbing criminal activities. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8822
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:10:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes? No. The upset was that a senior game designer was using price-balancing logic when he knows (or should know, given his position) full well that price isn't a balancing factor.
This game has shown it beyond the shadow of a doubt, which makes his statement even more facepalm-inducing.
Uyeiu wrote:The gates should be locked to you for systems your sec status flags you for faction navy response. Why?
Quote:That would go a long way to curbing criminal activities. Why should that happen? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
27
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:46:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:I would be more sorry that the victims are playing a PVP game thinking it's something else. Since when has the most complex Elite clone in history become a PvP game?... must have slipped past my radar, that.^^
LOL if that "slipped past your radar" it makes me wonder what else went right over your head. Like how to correctly fit a pre-changed hulk to make it almost impossible to gank.
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
27
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:48:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:Price is not a balancing factor. Grand... wasn't that the exact reason most gankers whined about the barge changes? ... you really have to try harder with your reasoning.^^
No it wasn't and maybe you should use a little of your "reasoning" to actually make a statement that doesn't make you look like a pants-on-head Rtard.
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
19
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:49:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:LOL if that "slipped past your radar" it makes me wonder what else went right over your head. Like how to correctly fit a pre-changed hulk to make it almost impossible to gank.
You know what? That's true... but I never got ganked, cause I didn't mine Jita. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today.
it shouldnt cost a hundreds of millions to gank a skiff if you want to use that logic. my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot.
nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca
or hop into a ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target.
if -10 allts couldnt do the above mentioned things, then there would be a lot less griefing of miners |
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MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote: When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong.
When a ? Trillion ISK alliance can be disbanded by 1 character w/ a few Billion ISK in his wallet just because he has access to the red button, something is indeed wrong. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1517
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:53:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong.
yeah the problem there is that the guy in the 300 million ISK ship was AFK mining in 0.5 space in an untanked, expanded exhumer EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8824
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:01:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot.
nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca
or hop into a gank ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target. Why not? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
27
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:04:00 -
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clamslayer wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today. it shouldnt cost a hundreds of millions to gank a skiff if you want to use that logic. my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot. nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca or hop into a gank ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target. if -10 allts couldnt do the above mentioned things, then there would be a lot less griefing of miners
So what you're saying is that if you are a -10 pilot nothing in the ENTIRE GAME should work if you are in highsec? Overkill much?? |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:06:00 -
[35] - Quote
Tippia wrote:clamslayer wrote:my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot.
nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca
or hop into a gank ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target. Why not?
-you dont think that its a bit ridiculous that you can harbor a -10 pilot in your orca with out consequence? -pretty obvious that gates should be restricted to positive sec status pilots -being able to hop into a ship that has been sitting in space and literally warp to your target immediately? with all the other bullshit timers in eve there might as well be a timer to prevent this |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
20
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
Garreth Vlox wrote:No it wasn't and maybe you should use a little of your "reasoning" to actually make a statement that doesn't make you look like a pants-on-head Rtard.
Namecalling... classy... but I'll play along.
Since the barge changes where announced, there has been an uproar throughout the community stating two things:
- Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the defense side, cause it would be harder (as in: more expensive) to gank highsec miners in great numbers.
- Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the efficiency side, cause it would be unfair to all the "highrisk" lowsec/0.0 folk... incomewise.
ALL the complains I read had a finencial component (balancing)... or just came from b*tt hurt gankers. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Garreth Vlox wrote:clamslayer wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong. When nobody mines in low and nullsec anymore because the ships are so fragile, something is indeed wrong. When even the best officer fit exumer tank still falls prey to a solo T1 fitted cruiser, something is indeed wrong. When the last update to mining barges was the Exodus expansion, the second expansion for EvE Online that introduced them back in 2004, something is indeed wrong. clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? They're not ungankable. Nothing is ungankable nor will anything ever be ungankable as per CCPs design. Ganking was never intended to be a profitable profession in highsec. It's a measure players can take if they're desperate for revenge. Know that the problem of highsec ganking has more roots than a single problem to point at. It's multiple problems that exacerbate each other. Yes -10 sec players that roam freely in highsec are a problem and yes the fragility of mining barges/exumers are also a problem. Together they cause what we currently see today. it shouldnt cost a hundreds of millions to gank a skiff if you want to use that logic. my point is that -10s can use gates while in a ship, this is bullshit, i can understand moving your pod through high sec, but you shouldnt be able to jump your -10 thrasher pilot. nore should you be able to launch a -10 pilot from an orca or hop into a gank ship that is empty in a safe spot and then be able to warp right away to roid belt to gank a target. if -10 allts couldnt do the above mentioned things, then there would be a lot less griefing of miners So what you're saying is that if you are a -10 pilot nothing in the ENTIRE GAME should work if you are in highsec? Overkill much??
are you ******* stupid? i specifically mentioned gates only
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clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:09:00 -
[38] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:No it wasn't and maybe you should use a little of your "reasoning" to actually make a statement that doesn't make you look like a pants-on-head Rtard. Namecalling... classy... but I'll play along. Since the barge changes where announced, there has been an uproar throughout the community stating two things: - Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the defense side, cause it would be harder (as in: more expensive) to gank highsec miners in great numbers. - Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the efficiency side, cause it would be unfair to all the "highrisk" lowsec/0.0 folk... incomewise. ALL the complains I read had a finencial component (balancing)... or just came from b*tt hurt gankers.
so you think it should require multiple gank fitted tornados to kill a 200million isk skiff. the ratio of isk destroyed vs isk destroyed by concord is a bit ****** |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
20
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:13:00 -
[39] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:so you think it should require multiple gank fitted tornados to kill a 200million isk skiff. the ratio of isk destroyed vs isk destroyed by concord is a bit ******
You ask me? From my point of view, suicide ganking is stupid and invantile behavior...
...but if people can't help the urge to do it, they should pay for it, simple as that. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
555
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:14:00 -
[40] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:
-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates -10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target -10 can be launched from a positive sec status orca
this is the problem, too much freedom for -10 players in high sec and not enough consequence for killing a target in high sec
Ah, **** it.
I'm done playing "nice" with you lot, and I consider myself at least a little bit of a carebear at heart:
Leave our sandbox, now, and feel free to...not come back.
There are no "safe-zones" in EVE, there are no "no-touch halos" around your head, THIS. IS. NOT. WoW. (Or any of its many even worse clones/wannabes, for that matter.)
What the f is so bloody hard about this?
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
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clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:18:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:
-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates -10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target -10 can be launched from a positive sec status orca
this is the problem, too much freedom for -10 players in high sec and not enough consequence for killing a target in high sec Ah, **** it. I'm done playing "nice" with you lot, and I consider myself at least a little bit of a carebear at heart: Leave our sandbox, now, and feel free to... not come back.There are no "safe-zones" in EVE, there are no "no-touch halos" around your head, THIS. IS. NOT. WoW.(Or any of its many even worse clones/wannabes, for that matter.) What the f is so bloody hard about this?
I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
122
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:20:00 -
[42] - Quote
What is this? People lacking understanding of game mechanics arguing in favour of modifieing said mechanics? I must be in general discussion. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:clamslayer wrote:so you think it should require multiple gank fitted tornados to kill a 200million isk skiff. the ratio of isk destroyed vs isk destroyed by concord is a bit ****** You ask me? From my point of view, suicide ganking is stupid and invantile behavior... ...but if people can't help the urge to do it, they should pay for it, simple as that.
The reason why the urge is there is because of the stupid amount of freedom -10 toons have in high security space. if gankers had to rat there sec status back up to a positive level befoer being able to hop through gates, ganking would decrease substantially. |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:21:00 -
[44] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:-you dont think that its a bit ridiculous that you can harbor a -10 pilot in your orca with out consequence? -pretty obvious that gates should be restricted to positive sec status pilots -being able to hop into a ship that has been sitting in space and literally warp to your target immediately? with all the other bullshit timers in eve there might as well be a timer to prevent this
Here I see a player complaining about mechanics when he has no idea how they actually work. An Orca does not harbour a -10 player. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
556
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:22:00 -
[45] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now
Try dawdling on a hisec gate in a system for which your sec-status is too low to travel un-restricted.
Yes, the faction-piggies very helpfully web you right into warp, if you're already aligning/warping, but if you're not, then they next point you, after which, rest assured, they will make very quick work of you.
Also, any player can attack you -- and if you're below -5.00 security status, then they can also pod-kill you with impunity -- with the NPC police on their side.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:23:00 -
[46] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Lies. You never forget how to gank & you clearly want highsec to be safe against people with negative sec.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:23:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:-you dont think that its a bit ridiculous that you can harbor a -10 pilot in your orca with out consequence? -pretty obvious that gates should be restricted to positive sec status pilots -being able to hop into a ship that has been sitting in space and literally warp to your target immediately? with all the other bullshit timers in eve there might as well be a timer to prevent this Here I see a player complaining about mechanics when he has no idea how they actually work. An Orca does not harbour a -10 player.
you got me here, need to make some edits, i have never used an orca, as you can tell \ |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
20
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:24:00 -
[48] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:The reason why the urge is there is because of the stupid amount of freedom -10 toons have in high security space. if gankers had to rat there sec status back up to a positive level befoer being able to hop through gates, ganking would decrease substantially.
THAT I can agree with.
I never asked for "save zones"... I also don't afk-mine, though. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:25:00 -
[49] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Lies. You never forget how to gank & you clearly want highsec to be safe against people with negative sec.
no i want players to have to rat their status back up if they want to suicide gank. safety is on its way, and its going to cost me isk, im pissed about the mining barge changes |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
468
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:25:00 -
[50] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently. There is indeed something wrong with the fitting options for mining barges and exumers. When a 300 million ISK ship can be killed by a 1 million ISK gank ship piloted by a new character, something is indeed wrong. When someone sneezes in the general direction of a mining barge and it explodes, something is indeed wrong.
Because all ships should be balanced with untanked stats in mind. |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
556
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:28:00 -
[51] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:clamslayer wrote:There is nothing wrong with the fit options mining barges allow currently.
wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:
-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates -10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target -10 can be launched from a positive sec status orca
this is the problem, too much freedom for -10 players in high sec and not enough consequence for killing a target in high sec Ah, **** it. I'm done playing "nice" with you lot, and I consider myself at least a little bit of a carebear at heart: Leave our sandbox, now, and feel free to... not come back.There are no "safe-zones" in EVE, there are no "no-touch halos" around your head, THIS. IS. NOT. WoW.(Or any of its many even worse clones/wannabes, for that matter.) What the f is so bloody hard about this? I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Completely eliminating the option for travel, even with heavy consequences/restrictions, as a consequence of non-consensual PvP in a game whose core ethos is based on non-consequential PvP, is not compromise.
It's completely breaking the sandbox.
This is not my only "toon," (LOL! Freakin' WoW-kiddie) and I've...errrm..."accidentally'ed" a few miners in my time, as well, as well as been blinky-blinky on numerous occasions.
Outlaws already have very little freedom in hisec, and that Orca with those blinky-blinky pods around it waiting for their ships to be pooped out are not hard to probe down.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8825
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:-you dont think that its a bit ridiculous that you can harbor a -10 pilot in your orca with out consequence? You can't, for one, but even so, no. What's ridiculous about it?
Quote:-pretty obvious that gates should be restricted to positive sec status pilots Why?
Quote:-being able to hop into a ship that has been sitting in space and literally warp to your target immediately? with all the other bullshit timers in eve there might as well be a timer to prevent this There is: the standard session change timer that everyone else has to deal with.
You didn't really manage to explain why -10s need to be restricted in any way. So, why? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:clamslayer wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now Try dawdling on a hisec gate in a system for which your sec-status is too low to travel un-restricted. Yes, the faction-piggies very helpfully web you right into warp, if you're already aligning/warping, but if you're not, then they next point you, after which, rest assured, they will make very quick work of you. Also, any player can attack you -- and if you're below -5.00 security status, then they can also pod-kill you with impunity -- with the NPC police on their side.
did you not see earlier how i mentioned i have been playing far longer then you? not trying to brag, i literally keep my eve gaming a secret from every person i know, and without a doubt eve is the biggest waste of my time. that said i dont care to spend time reading posts about game mechanics i was familiar with 5 years ago |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Lies. You never forget how to gank & you clearly want highsec to be safe against people with negative sec. no i want players to have to rat their status back up if they want to suicide gank.
Meaning you want highsec to be safe from players with negative sec.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
28
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:No it wasn't and maybe you should use a little of your "reasoning" to actually make a statement that doesn't make you look like a pants-on-head Rtard. Namecalling... classy... but I'll play along. Since the barge changes where announced, there has been an uproar throughout the community stating two things: - Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the defense side, cause it would be harder (as in: more expensive) to gank highsec miners in great numbers. - Mining barges shouldn't be buffed on the efficiency side, cause it would be unfair to all the "highrisk" lowsec/0.0 folk... incomewise. ALL the complains I read had a finencial component (balancing)... or just came from b*tt hurt gankers.
It has nothing to do with balancing. The people complaining about money are the same ones trying to keep the ability to get paid insurance money after being nuked by concord. the rest are just butt hurt barges are harder to kill now, as it has been said to many times to count i'll throw it out there again. The people killing you over and over are not doing it to MAKE money, they are SPENDING money so they can have fun blowing you up. The price complaining is about the prices of PVP boats which is ironically caused by there being less miners creating fewer ships As far as the buff goes meh, buff them or not the only guys it really effects are highsec miners cause any miner in null with half a brain fits his tank first or dies horribly to belt rats. |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:clamslayer wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? i'm sure that you've operated as a -10 in hisec without any issues If you think there is no freedom for -10 in high sec your... My iPhone is garbage post over for now Try dawdling on a hisec gate in a system for which your sec-status is too low to travel un-restricted. Yes, the faction-piggies very helpfully web you right into warp, if you're already aligning/warping, but if you're not, then they next point you, after which, rest assured, they will make very quick work of you. Also, any player can attack you -- and if you're below -5.00 security status, then they can also pod-kill you with impunity -- with the NPC police on their side. did you not see earlier how i mentioned i have been playing far longer then you? not trying to brag, i literally keep my eve gaming a secret from every person i know, and without a doubt eve is the biggest waste of my time. that said i dont care to spend time reading posts about game mechanics i was familiar with 5 years ago
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:33:00 -
[57] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Lies. You never forget how to gank & you clearly want highsec to be safe against people with negative sec. no i want players to have to rat their status back up if they want to suicide gank. Meaning you want highsec to be safe from players with negative sec.
would you rather have the ability to solo gank a skiff in a brutix in exchange for having to have positive sec status?
or would you rather have the freedom you do now, and have to bring multiple tornados to gank the same skiff?
I DONT WANT MINING BARGES WITH HALF THE HIT POINTS OF FREIGHTERS IN HIGH SEC
my english is bad.. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
<--- Trammel
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
557
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:40:00 -
[59] - Quote
clamslayer wrote: did you not see earlier how i mentioned i have been playing far longer then you?
And I/any of us give a flying ****, because...?
clamslayer wrote: not trying to brag,
Yes, you are. And failing at it rather hilariously, too.
clamslayer wrote: i literally keep my eve gaming a secret from every person i know, and without a doubt eve is the biggest waste of my time.
Then why are you still playing? Sounds to me like you need to expand your circles of people people in your RL, by the way :/
clamslayer wrote: that said i dont care to spend time reading posts about game mechanics i was familiar with 5 years ago
Ah, so you're just a troll, then? Gotcha. (That's against the forum rules, by the way, did you know?)
2/10.
Next!
(Troll thread, lacks content, OP inciting flame-war. Mods, please gas thread, ban OP.)
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:I have forgotten more about suicide ganking then you will ever know, and have been doing it since before your toon existed. im not asking for safe zones, im asking for compromise. i dont want to see a 200 million isk skiff be able to tank multiple gank fitted tornados.
Lies. You never forget how to gank & you clearly want highsec to be safe against people with negative sec. no i want players to have to rat their status back up if they want to suicide gank. Meaning you want highsec to be safe from players with negative sec. would you rather have the ability to solo gank a skiff in a brutix in exchange for having to have positive sec status? or would you rather have the freedom you do now, and have to bring multiple tornados to gank the same skiff? I DONT WANT MINING BARGES WITH HALF THE HIT POINTS OF FREIGHTERS IN HIGH SEC my english is bad..
Aww, boo hoo. I like my freedom just fine the way it is because :sandbox: I won't have to adapt much to the skiffs EHP, because idiots will still use Hulks with no tank. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8827
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:43:00 -
[61] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:I DONT WANT MINING BARGES WITH HALF THE HIT POINTS OF FREIGHTERS IN HIGH SEC HmmGǪ people keep mentioning this as if it were a lot of hit points. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
from the looks of battleclinic, you like soloing barges as much as i do. better get as many in as possible this week |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
it will cost more isk to kill a skiff than the value of the skiff. how do you not have a problem with that? |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:46:00 -
[64] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:it will cost more isk to kill a skiff than the value of the skiff. how do you not have a problem with that?
Because idiots will still pilot Hulks fit for max yield with no tank. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
557
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:50:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are:
I've been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters.
And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why.
All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.
Next!
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
i have reached my daily maximum of life wasted on eve. good talk, eve is getting watered down, i suppose its a good thing though. perhaps it will push me to quit, but probably not. |
Riall
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:52:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:clamslayer wrote:it will cost more isk to kill a skiff than the value of the skiff. how do you not have a problem with that? Because idiots will still pilot Hulks fit for max yield with no tank. This ^
...and CCP Soundwave saying
CCP Soundwave wrote:... Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that lets you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.
"Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt" |
Mallak Azaria
510
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are: I've been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters. And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why. All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.Next!
Funnily enough, I wasn't talking to you, nor did I quote you. It's a shame you feel the need to make such a desperate cry for attention.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Mallak Azaria
511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
clamslayer wrote:i have reached my daily maximum of life wasted on eve. good talk, eve is getting watered down, i suppose its a good thing though. perhaps it will push me to quit, but probably not.
edit: Tarryn Nightstorm, lick my crumb. Eve is supposed to be harsh in consequence. im simply asking for things to stay that way, harsh punishment for committing in game crime, and painful losses for the chodes who are too stupid to fit there mining barge properly.
Can I have your stuff before you drown it in a river of tears?
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_gank
in response to soundwave |
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
20
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
Thanks for the Soundwave quote, Riall... nothing to add to that. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
and agian http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_gank
very contradictory to what can be found on the eveonline website |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
557
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are: I've been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters. And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why. All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.Next! Funnily enough, I wasn't talking to you, nor did I quote you. It's a shame you feel the need to make such a desperate cry for attention.
Yeah, yeah, whatever...
Mods, please lock this piece of **** thread now, thank you.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Mallak Azaria
511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:03:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are: I've been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters. And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why. All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.Next! Funnily enough, I wasn't talking to you, nor did I quote you. It's a shame you feel the need to make such a desperate cry for attention. Yeah, yeah, whatever... Mods, please lock this piece of **** thread now, thank you.
This might help you there.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
clamslayer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
lol, mkay must close forums |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
557
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are: I've been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters. And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why. All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.Next! Funnily enough, I wasn't talking to you, nor did I quote you. It's a shame you feel the need to make such a desperate cry for attention. Yeah, yeah, whatever... Mods, please lock this piece of **** thread now, thank you. This might help you there.
What's the prob, bru?
You all -- with some delightful exceptions, like the estimable Tippia and Herr Wilkus in this thread -- look/sound exactly the same to me, is all.
Exactly the bloody same.
Soooo...only one response, really.
Fake-E:
Because adorable kitty is adorable, too.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Mallak Azaria
512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:12:00 -
[77] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:You all -- with some delightful exceptions, like the estimable Tippia and Herr Wilkus in this thread -- look/sound exactly the same to me, is all. Exactly the bloody same. Soooo... only one response, really.Fake-E: Because adorable kitty is adorable, too.
That's your problem. You're trying to listen when you should be reading.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
20
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:13:00 -
[78] - Quote
Hu... this is getting akward... |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:15:00 -
[79] - Quote
Uyeiu wrote:The gates should be locked to you for systems your sec status flags you for faction navy response. No docking, no POS installation (negative sec status should figure into the standings equation), NO JUMP CLONES OR MEDICAL CLONES would be accessible in systems you can't access (maybe your med clone automatically defaults to the nearest system with sec status still open to you as soon as you get the neg sec status). It would also be fun to do the same for anyone with GCC.
That would go a long way to curbing criminal activities.
And there it is. The pubbies finally begin to admit they think gankers should literally not be allowed to play the game. |
Mallak Azaria
512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:16:00 -
[80] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Hu... this is getting akward...
He stalks me in every thread. I'm pretty sure he's just hitting on me now.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
29
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:16:00 -
[81] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
You've made it pretty clear several times over that you haven't been playing as long as you're trying to make out.
What a pathetic little EVE-cliche you are: I' ve been playing long enough to know what's what, and that's all that matters.And long enough to know how pants-on-head all these cry-threads really are, and why. All else is irrelevant, not least of all you.Next!
Now I know how you meant this to sound, but all anyone heard was, " Yeah I know I'm basing my argument in opinions not fact or something that even closely resembles a fact but that's ok because I didn't want to be right anyway." |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
443
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Posted - 2012.07.30 23:24:00 -
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clamslayer wrote: wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:
-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates -10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target
Yes, no pirates should come into Highsec... Including NPC Pirates!
I've always thought it would be a good move to remove all combat missions from Highsec that aren't tied into Faction Warfare.
Also, why is there mining in Highsec to begin with? On one hand we're told it's the built up civilized part of space with heavy policing from CONCORD, and on the other there's people gathering up natural resources still in this area? That's like having a mining operation in NY's Central Park. Resources should be gathered exclusively in frontier areas. Low Sec, Null, and WH space.
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Freezehunter
250
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:22:00 -
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You forgot the part where most suicide gankers are 1-2 week old basically throwaway alts that have 0.0 SS. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1517
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:24:00 -
[84] - Quote
Xorv wrote:clamslayer wrote: wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec?
Miners are being ganked indiscriminately because:
-10 can fly around high sec in destroyers with out being stopped at gates. -10s shouldnt be able to jump a ship through gates -10 can hope into an empty gank fitted ship in a safe spot and immediately warp to a roid belt to kill a target
Yes, no pirates should come into Highsec... Including NPC Pirates!I've always thought it would be a good move to remove all combat missions from Highsec that aren't tied into Faction Warfare. Also, why is there mining in Highsec to begin with? On one hand we're told it's the built up civilized part of space with heavy policing from CONCORD, and on the other there's people gathering up natural resources still in this area? That's like having a mining operation in NY's Central Park. Resources should be gathered exclusively in frontier areas. Low Sec, Null, and WH space.
do you really want 50 isk tritanium EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
75
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:33:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:clamslayer wrote:wtf CCP, why make ships ungankable when the real issue is freedom of -10s in high sec? Simple answer? There shouldn't be any freedom for -10s in controlled space... why? Because they are ciminals!
See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.31 00:34:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :)
And get your ship destroyed by Concord. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
45
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:05:00 -
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I will be keeping an eye on this thread and if it continues to degenerate in to a troll fest I will lock it. Please stick to the topic at hand, do not troll post or use personal insults as they do nothing to further a discussion, thank you. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
29
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:17:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:I will be keeping an eye on this thread and if it continues to degenerate in to a troll fest I will lock it. Please stick to the topic at hand, do not troll post or use personal insults as they do nothing to further a discussion, thank you.
Who called the thread police?
Also dear mister ISD ( i think thats his name) if you have read half the threads of the forum you would know this thread is in the obligatory troll stage which is a necessary step before it can get to the s3r1ou$ business part of the discussion, needless to say it will get there but it always takes a little push.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8833
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:20:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :) And get your ship destroyed by Concord. -10 Gëá GCC.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
249
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :) And get your ship destroyed by Concord.
Why make concord do it when there are plenty of players around to do it penalty free along with faction navy help? |
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Zed Jackelope
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:22:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:There is no freedom, they can be shot by anyone and failing player effort in shooting them, the npc's will do the job in short time anyway.
Freedom my ass.
this
HTFU or GTFO |
Zed Jackelope
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :) And get your ship destroyed by Concord.
this is why carebears are laughed at.
learn how aggression mechanics work.
if its RED, its shootable in hisec. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1234
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:01:00 -
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Zed Jackelope wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:See neg 10 sec status, pod neg 10 sec status, specially with 100m+ bounty on head :) And get your ship destroyed by Concord. this is why carebears are laughed at. learn how aggression mechanics work. if its RED, its shootable in hisec. Blinky red, you mean. Simply having people -10 standing won't let you kill them. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8834
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Blinky red, you mean. No, just standard red, unless you've reassigned the colours to have the standings flags colour the entire line rather than just show the tag (which is a bad idea for the most part).
Red = free to shoot. Blinky red = shooting you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1234
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Blinky red, you mean. No, just standard red, unless you've reassigned the colours to have the standings flags colour the entire line rather than just show the tag (which is a bad idea for the most part). Red = free to shoot. Blinky red = shooting you. Blinky is the rule we used when in Jita.
I don't think anything special was changed in our overviews either. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8834
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Blinky is the rule we used when in Jita.
I don't think anything special was changed in our overviews either. If you've been around for a long time and used common overview setups, then maybe GÇö it used to be that blink covered both states by default and those settings survive in some setups that are being passed around.*
These days, though, the default is red = shootable target (no matter why); blinky = war target (corp or FW depending on the colour). Of course, we could argue whether the language has (or should be) updated to reflect this.
* edit: also, if you have shared a setup that is meant to reflect situations where CONCORD isn't a factor, in which case you can obviously free up that colour and assign it to a different meaning. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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