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Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Eto Tekai on 20/09/2010 21:27:14 Quote: insert long post about how great random corp is, Recruiting PVP Pilots! Pirates, Griefers ect. need NOT apply! This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Who in their right mind would want to join a corp like this if they are into PVP. Just by reading these types posts makes me want to war-dec them I know for a fact that you will be easy kills. "Pirate" style activities are huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow your corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:30:00 - [2] I am guessing that they are afraid of War Decs! They want to PVP when they want to, but not lose there High Sec Farming! My Corp has rules against Greifing, Flipping, Ninjaing and our members have made every effort not to follow them! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
Sural Alpha	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:30:00 - [3] Pretty sure that corps can decide for themselves what type of player they want to accept. Likewise you are delusional if you believe that just because you enjoy playing the game one way "most PVP pilots" play the game as you do. Tbh, sounds almost like a qq post to me. Big words about the wardec though, of course you won't follow through since in the end it's all about being a forum warrior above all else.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:31:00 - [4] filed under "OH NO, SOME PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO"
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:34:00 - [5] I've mostly seen that in 0.0 and high sec war dec corps. 0.0 peeps want you out in 0.0 defending their space, and high sec peeps realize that you prolly can't get into high sec. I stopped caring a long time ago, because any corp that says "no piracy" will almost certainly end up booting me out. That or they'll get booted out of their alliance... depending. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Sural Alpha Pretty sure that corps can decide for themselves what type of player they want to accept. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Eto LabOne on 20/09/2010 21:39:23 Edit: ops, i posted on an alt. Exactly! I spent 3 months in 0.0, and I enjoyed it. But it got old, and it wore off becuase its the same thing every week. Camp EC gate, or join 300 man fleet fights. There were rarely smaller roams into enemy 0.0, and when there were they were too short. So then I tried joining highsec wardec corps. All they do is camp jita 4/4 and unless I wanted to join Ophanage the average size of one of those corps is 12 people. I tried for 2 weeks to find a group of people that did roams, but everyone said "Sure we do roams" Yet never did. So finally I gave up, and started to look for a normal corp in search of pvp pilots, so atleast I would have people to chat with but 90% of them get upset when I admit that I enjoy suside ganking and ninja looting. There just doesnt seem to be anywhere for someone like me to go. I understand 0.0 but after so many months, it was time to try something new.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:40:00 - [8] Enough PVP'ers arent in the least interested in those things. I assume you have some statistics to back up your claim that most pvp pilots enjoy ninja looting and suicide ganking. If you want to do that, then join a corporation that is into that, pretty much the idea behind corporations, that they arent all the same. Also i assume that you think that a low sec pirate corporation should accept someone who only mines in high sec? Since mining is a huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow their corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it?
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 - [9] Does the op realize his position is daft as any political correctness happens to be! CEO is god and you can't argue with science! Be gone with you elf warrior, for there are places for you, its just not there Yelp!
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Eto LabOne There just doesnt seem to be anywhere for someone like me to go. I understand 0.0 but after so many months, it was time to try something new. Have you tried talking to pirate corps? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:44:00 - [11] Fine, I cannot claim that most pvpers enjoy pirate style activities, but the ones who do not usually live in 0.0, and im sorry but been there done that. Lowsec pirate corps are rarely over 12 members, same goes for highsec grief corps. Those that are, usually don't have much leadership and are often only seen killing people outside trade hubs. And whyle I agree to the earlier comments that corps should be able to invite anyone they want, I just don't understand why you wouldnt want a talented player who enjoys suside ganking hulks and haulers when they have to much sec status built up. or making players angry by harassing them in highsec. You could say, go to lowsec and do those actitives, but then i would need a corp with like minded people. ive already tried that and ive yet to find one with more then a dozen people. and trust me, I've looked.
Gnukk	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:45:00 - [12] Here's a novel idea - make your OWN corporation and have it be ALL-inclusive instead of whining on the forums that no one wants you on their team.
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:46:00 - [13] I tried that, and was owned by the privateers within 5 hours of my pos going up. Can't really create a corp without putting your pos up first. I dont want to spend 8 months building a corp when there are 3289048320948302 corps out there and we are 7 years into a game.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Eto Tekai Can't really create a corp without putting your pos up first. Non sequitur. In fact, I'd rather like to know how you put up a POS without creating a corp first. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:53:00 - [15] Because you have to put the pos up with high standings.. I've found people dont like the "Hey i have to kick all of you for a week so the corp standings go up so I can put the pos up" So lets say I invite 30 people and start the corp, It really seems in bad taste to have them all leave for a week whyle I put up the pos. Best to have the pos put down and then begin recruiting no?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:53:00 - [16] Why would you possibly need a POS? And when busy, you can also roam in low sec without buddies.
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:56:00 - [17] Edited by: Eto LabOne on 20/09/2010 21:56:20 Edit: darn it, posted on alt again. Seems kind of lame to have a corporation and not have a base of operations with lab capability and in-space defensive safespot during wardecs. Shouldn't every real corp have a flag?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:01:00 - [18] it is possible to be a pvp pilot and not a pirate/Griefer. if you fly around 0.0 in defense of the homeland, or on assault of the sworn enemy, or I guess even if you go antipie'ng. only attack people that "deserve" it. pretty sure most corps will turn a blind eye to the occasional suicide gank, or lowsec kill. I know Idle Guns doesn't really give a flying *** what you do. *used in the narrow sense of shoots first and kills people in empire taking sec loss.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Eto LabOne Shouldn't every real corp have a flag? Uh. Parsec is a real corp.. our flag is the Jolly Roger. Just sayin'. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Barakkus Ishukone Institute of Technology	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Eto LabOne Edited by: Eto LabOne on 20/09/2010 21:39:23 Edit: ops, i posted on an alt. Exactly! I spent 3 months in 0.0, and I enjoyed it. But it got old, and it wore off becuase its the same thing every week. Camp EC gate, or join 300 man fleet fights. There were rarely smaller roams into enemy 0.0, and when there were they were too short. So then I tried joining highsec wardec corps. All they do is camp jita 4/4 and unless I wanted to join Ophanage the average size of one of those corps is 12 people. I tried for 2 weeks to find a group of people that did roams, but everyone said "Sure we do roams" Yet never did. So finally I gave up, and started to look for a normal corp in search of pvp pilots, so atleast I would have people to chat with but 90% of them get upset when I admit that I enjoy suside ganking and ninja looting. There just doesnt seem to be anywhere for someone like me to go. I understand 0.0 but after so many months, it was time to try something new. 3 words Red vs. Blue Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eto LabOne Shouldn't every real corp have a flag? Uh. Parsec is a real corp.. our flag is the Jolly Roger. Just sayin'. -Liang Ours is a chemical warning sign, but don't let that scare you! Agent Orange is perfectly safe, we found 1960's scientific documents to prove it! Have a sniff! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
Barakkus Ishukone Institute of Technology	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Eto Tekai Because you have to put the pos up with high standings.. I've found people dont like the "Hey i have to kick all of you for a week so the corp standings go up so I can put the pos up" So lets say I invite 30 people and start the corp, It really seems in bad taste to have them all leave for a week whyle I put up the pos. Best to have the pos put down and then begin recruiting no? Or you could just buy a corp from me. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:14:00 - [23] I assume by your attempted de-railment that you guys infact have successful roaming pvp corporations of more then 12 people and do not have a pos? If so awesome, what exactly do you do, and your members do not find it bad that you don't own a pos? otherwise I'm really having a good disussion here and would rather not have trolls.
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:16:00 - [24] barakkus I wouldn't need your services, I already have more then sufficent standings.
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eto LabOne Shouldn't every real corp have a flag? Uh. Parsec is a real corp.. our flag is the Jolly Roger. Just sayin'. -Liang Ours is a chemical warning sign, but don't let that scare you! Agent Orange is perfectly safe, we found 1960's scientific documents to prove it! Have a sniff! Does this rag smell like chloroform to you? Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
ElJo123 Sons Of 0din The Strangers.	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Eto Tekai If so awesome, what exactly do you do, and your members do not find it bad that you don't own a pos? I cry myself to sleep every night. If only we had a POS (yo mr ceo, when we're getting our pos?)
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.09.20 23:31:00 - [27] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 20/09/2010 23:36:53 Originally by: Eto Tekai This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Ill start off with this..I wouldnt want em either. There is a big difference between what ccp calls a griefer..and what really is a griefer.All the things like ganking..ninja salvaging and what not are a form of griefing.They all have one thing in common..messing with people who dont want to be messed with.It shows a type of character in that person..that many want nothing to do with.People with a need for tears.Believe it or notthere are people who just want to enjoy the game.Not saying they dont want to pvp..but they like a competition and not lameness.Ganking a hulk..as funny as it may be earns you no cool points at all.Unloading 5 ravens on a single ship..earns you no cool points either.(Note that some do this for isk..and thats ok)but it takes no skill at all.Scanning takes a bit of effort to do..sure,but its also done mostly for the "tears"and to ruin peoples missions.Nothing wrong with any of this cuz it puts a little danger in eve..but dont cry when said carebears leave the nest and start pvping,and want nothing to do with theses types. Take the bad guy path and you got to be ready to be rejected by alot of people.Im not knocking all these people..allot of em are cool guys.But doing these things doesnt earn you any trust other than with your own kind.Even they will sleep with one eye open lol. Edit:youll end up with some trash like this in your corp Linkage
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.20 23:31:00 - [28] Lol@OP.. Let me get this straight here for a sec. 1) You describe yourself as 'hardcore'-pvp type of player: Originally by: Eto Tekai snip (rant about pvp-high-sec-corps) Just by reading these types posts makes me want to war-dec them I know for a fact that you will be easy kills. "Pirate" style activities are huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow your corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it. 2) Then there is the kind of activity which usually doesn't involve/occupies more than 5-6 people at once and for which you won't find targets on a loop you enjoy doing (thus, there aren't that much corps doing it solely): Originally by: Eto Tekai And whyle I agree to the earlier comments that corps should be able to invite anyone they want, I just don't understand why you wouldnt want a talented player who enjoys suside ganking hulks and haulers when they have to much sec status built up. or making players angry by harassing them in highsec. You could say, go to lowsec and do those actitives, but then i would need a corp with like minded people. ive already tried that and ive yet to find one with more then a dozen people. and trust me, I've looked. 3) You want a high-sec pos to have a 'save' place for your labs and a 'flag' to show off with: Originally by: Eto Tekai Seems kind of lame to have a corporation and not have a base of operations with lab capability and in-space defensive safespot during wardecs. Shouldn't every real corp have a flag? 4) And you want it all at once: Originally by: Eto Tekai I tried that, and was owned by the privateers within 5 hours of my pos going up. Can't really create a corp without putting your pos up first. I dont want to spend 8 months building a corp when there are 3289048320948302 corps out there and we are 7 years into a game. Buddy, you're completely out of touch with the game and your playstyle and what you can afford with it.. 1) If you enjoy ninja'ing/can-baiting/gank'ing/pvp'ing you're at first and most NOT scared of someone pinching your POS 2) If your main goal in this game is PvP you do NOT want a POS.. not as e-peen, not as flag and especially not as 'in-space defensive safespot during wardecs' with labs 3) If you want to be in a corp with 30 like minded people (PvP Yarrr-style) you won't be able to have prey (read: idiots) all the time around, so you 'll need to move a bit at least (especially with your activity-spectrum there). TL;DR your pvp demands (ninja, gank, harrasment, roaming, 30+ peeps) doesn't really fit (high-sec-pos, no-gate-camping, no-station-camping, more-than-30-people-in-corp). You can't have ones cake and eat it too. My advice: drop the POS and go from there..
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.21 00:23:00 - [29] That was an great post man, really. Alright then so what do you suggest? I dont need a highsec pos, but I assumed if I was to create a corp, it was a requirement. Every corp I have been in so far has had them, and I have used mine a whole lot in WH space and 0.0 as a place much better to log out in then a station. If that is the case and my pvp demands are (ninja, gank, harrasment, roaming, 30+ peeps : Then what is my best course of action? 0.0 is to blob-like and tight lipped for my taste. i want a good group of friends that are active and roam 0.0 (but not live there) and often wardec and grief together.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.21 00:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Eto Tekai Edited by: Eto Tekai on 20/09/2010 21:27:14 Quote: insert long post about how great random corp is, Recruiting PVP Pilots! Pirates, Griefers ect. need NOT apply! This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Who in their right mind would want to join a corp like this if they are into PVP. Just by reading these types posts makes me want to war-dec them I know for a fact that you will be easy kills. "Pirate" style activities are huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow your corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it. If you cant understand then obviously its not the corp for you. Additionally you are also a bit dense. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.21 00:31:00 - [31] My favorite play style is Sniper! And from 150km away it is the best! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.21 00:32:00 - [32] Edited by: Eto LabOne on 21/09/2010 00:33:44 Quote: Additionally you are also a bit dense. Thats kind of uncalled for? I simply stated that it was annoying that so many corps don't like some of the key elements of this game that make it dangerous and fun. I want to join your 150 man PVE Mission corp with 20 or 30 guys that pvp, but for some reason you are mad when I blow up some guy's hulk, costing myself about 8 mill and him 200? that is just plain fun and you should try it sometime.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.21 01:07:00 - [33] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 21/09/2010 01:16:38 Originally by: Eto LabOne Alright then so what do you suggest? I dont need a highsec pos, but I assumed if I was to create a corp, it was a requirement. Every corp I have been in so far has had them, and I have used mine a whole lot in WH space and 0.0 as a place much better to log out in then a station.. In w-space they are a needed if you plug your roots down. In k-space-null you're safe from bubbles/hostiles. In k-space-low/high.. no need. Originally by: Eto LabOne ..my pvp demands are (ninja, gank, harrasment, roaming, 30+ peeps : Then what is my best course of action? 0.0 is to blob-like and tight lipped for my taste. I want a good group of friends that are active and roam 0.0 (but not live there) and often wardec and grief together. Seems you want to square the circle. People who gank/ninja/harass/pick-on-weaker-all-the-time wont go along very well I guess. You can't expect people to trust you with their stuff (be best friends) and on the same moment you spank anything that's weak.. that's diametral. You want a community with all it's cool features and on the same time enjoy anti-social douche behavior. That wont work, especially in larger groups as you got no glue to keep it together (they call this 'common goal'). Anti-social behavior ain't no common-goal - in case you don't know. There aren't that many big pirate groups around in a single place (as group to hang out with) as the prey they rely on and get their fun out of avoid those places/get removed from there, thus those groups can't get that big as it gets boring for them. I would even go so far to state that there aren't any targets (which you prefer to pick on), which require more than 5 people. Anything that requires more on your side to successfully beat-up (read: won't be able to defend successfully) did already adjust it's tactics and counters with a bigger/more powerful force (POS, blob, ..). So I really don't know what to suggest, except that you will have to drop some more than POS to get it working for you..
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.21 01:12:00 - [34] We do not accept pirates, griefers, or other undesirables into our structure. PVP'ing is great, engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct is not. I like me. 101st Space Marine Force Senior Recruiter
Eto Tekai	Posted - 2010.09.21 01:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Eto Tekai on 21/09/2010 01:14:52 Awe to bad.. that is just no fun to hear. I have a long history with corps for being active and a good member, and I am not a thief. thief =/= griefer. I would be happy if I never got a single role. Shoot i don't want to be a leader, If i did i would have created my own corp. So no picking on people, or I won't get 20 man low/null sec roams with good friendly people to fly with?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.21 01:15:00 - [36] I think i'll join a Pirate corp and just mine and run missions. If they ever need help i'll politely tell them i'm in the middle of an L4 or ice mining. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.21 01:17:00 - [37] Edited by: Eto LabOne on 21/09/2010 01:19:02 That was a terrable troll man, Try harder. I have several accounts and I would go to every fleet the corp FC made. If you think i mission and mine (on the charecter I plan to be pvping with) Then you must think I am doing it wrong. My income comes from wormholes anyway, bet i spend more time out side of highsec then you do. Doesn't mean I want to live there.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.21 03:26:00 - [38] Edited by: Ghoest on 21/09/2010 03:27:47 Originally by: Eto LabOne Edited by: Eto LabOne on 21/09/2010 00:33:44 Quote: Additionally you are also a bit dense. Thats kind of uncalled for? I simply stated that it was annoying that so many corps don't like some of the key elements of this game that make it dangerous and fun. I want to join your 150 man PVE Mission corp with 20 or 30 guys that pvp, but for some reason you are mad when I blow up some guy's hulk, costing myself about 8 mill and him 200? that is just plain fun and you should try it sometime. No. and Wrong. You didnt simply state that you found something annoying. Rather you said you didnt understand something that was exceedingly obvious - thus you are dense. If your point had been simply to whine about people who dont want to be with you - fine. Youre a whiner but at least that woundnt mean youre a dummy. Wherever you went - Here you are.
KrustyKrab	Posted - 2010.09.21 03:43:00 - [39] hrmmm...I'm a pirate and I like killing players in lowsec. I don't dig ninja looting, can flipping, any of that stuff, but if my fellow pirates are into it (or at least have the sec status to get into highsec and do it) then more power to them. I've been a carebear and I leave carebearing to them, let them do what they want, no concern of mine now that I can't get into highsec. My only pet peeve is people who grief total noobs who haven't been playing but a month or so and haven't left high sec yet. Leave high sec and you are fair game though. Those kinds of players rarely will venture into low/null however, as the ratio of easy kills goes down drastically when everyone shows up in a pvp ship/gang.
Zan Shiro	Posted - 2010.09.21 05:27:00 - [40] Edited by: Zan Shiro on 21/09/2010 05:29:03 Its a corp's call to determine how they run. Some corps don't dig piracy cause it makes for a bad image. Their corp ticker shows up in the mail...they have a say in who uses it and for what purpose. grief mails don't look right next to say your boys bagging a carrier or if lucky a SC lol. Especially if allianced up where your grief kills stand out like sore thumbs next to a kick ass cap battle the same day. Alliance mates bagged an SC...and there is some idiots km of 2 day noob in a navitas right below it...way to show off what you and your corp is capable of lol. Don't like it...recruitment threads here and on scrapheap with lots of pirates crews to choose from. I was in one corp not into griefing....on the main. Out of corp alts....do whatever you want. No need to even hide alt activity. Just keep thier corp ticker clean is all they asked. Alt not on teh corp ticker, corp kb not flooded with trash kills ( popping noobs, mission runners, miners in empire is not pvp). Hell if your alt found a juicy enemy alliance target slumming in low sec or even empire...tell the corp, might be a bit of fun for all if something can be arranged to get out there.
Tellenta Gallente versic LLC	Posted - 2010.09.21 05:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Eto LabOne Edited by: Eto LabOne on 21/09/2010 00:33:44 Quote: Additionally you are also a bit dense. Thats kind of uncalled for? I simply stated that it was annoying that so many corps don't like some of the key elements of this game that make it dangerous and fun. I want to join your 150 man PVE Mission corp with 20 or 30 guys that pvp, but for some reason you are mad when I blow up some guy's hulk, costing myself about 8 mill and him 200? that is just plain fun and you should try it sometime. I typed a reply but this piece of **** forums ate it. No it really isn't uncalled for, Suicide ganking is an element in this game. However, it sure as hell is not a key element in the game. Yes I understand it is fun, hell suiciding freighters is how invicta got the isk together to buy our titan (that and passing the hat around corp). What it sounds like to me is you want to be a pirate, but don't know how... Which is odd in itself. Also wtf does a POS have to do with anything?!?! Are you trolling? dammit.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.09.21 06:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Eto Tekai Edited by: Eto Tekai on 20/09/2010 21:27:14 Quote: insert long post about how great random corp is, Recruiting PVP Pilots! Pirates, Griefers ect. need NOT apply! This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Who in their right mind would want to join a corp like this if they are into PVP. Just by reading these types posts makes me want to war-dec them I know for a fact that you will be easy kills. "Pirate" style activities are huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow your corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it. Honestly there are a lot of boring, annoying players in this game who drone on endlessly about the can they flipped or pod they popped. Having no real value at all to talk to or spend time with I can understand not wanting them in your corp
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.21 06:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Eto Tekai I just don't understand why you wouldnt want a talented player who enjoys suside ganking hulks and haulers when they have to much sec status built up. or making players angry by harassing them in highsec. ok let me explain this to you because by reading this i dont think this ever crossed your mind. maybe because ganking hulks don't show that you have any skill other the being able to fit a ship that can DPS faster then it takes concord to get there. <- that is not skill thats a cheep shot on someone that cant really fight back and most likely afk. and maybe trying to 'making players angry by harassing them' shows that you get bored easy and lack a level of maturity. what CEO would want to baby someone so they dont make an @$$ of themselves and cause him to have more work to do. your answering your own questions here man, people dont want you because you will not help, but hinder the corp as a whole. sorry to break it too you. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.21 07:53:00 - [44] Dunno pirates and griefers generally know how to handle their ships and kill stuff better than your average missionrunning carebear. Dont think I've seen a lot of 0.0 corps that are biased against them. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Tellenta Gallente versic LLC	Posted - 2010.09.21 08:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Hyveres Dunno pirates and griefers generally know how to handle their ships and kill stuff better than your average missionrunning carebear. Dont think I've seen a lot of 0.0 corps that are biased against them. Actually I don't know to many corps that care in the least, I do however know a bunch that want players to keep their sec status up so they can move through highsec if the need calls. Of course I am talking about corps that are actually worth a damn, not some highsec mission running/mining/industry corp which seems to be what the op is whining about.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.09.21 08:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Eto Tekai I just don't understand why you wouldnt want a talented player who enjoys suside ganking hulks and haulers when they have to much sec status built up. or making players angry by harassing them in highsec. "Talented", this got me the tears in my eyes, "talented"....
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.21 08:35:00 - [47] is hate and loathing every living creature a playstyle? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.21 08:41:00 - [48] Yeah it is a problem. Still trying to find a corp thief friendly corp myself. Often when I mention that I strive to be a successful corp thief and blue on blue ganker in EVE, recruiters just close the convo or don't return my mail. To me it is clear that certain play styles are being discriminated against and CCP should do something about it (mandatory application acceptance / preferred play style never being able to be the only ground for a denial). /friendly sarcasm ;-) ~~Recruiting.~~
SirDynty Boiians	Posted - 2010.09.21 09:47:00 - [49] you talk about pirate corps <12 ppls,and i wonder how many peoples are needed to suicide gank an Hulk in hisec,or ninja salvage mission? same for empire wars,its not done in 30man gangs :) i would join Factional Warfare tbh,did you tried it? ----------------------------- http://forum.boiians.cz/
Feyona Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.09.21 10:01:00 - [50] Originally by: SirDynty you talk about pirate corps <12 ppls,and i wonder how many peoples are needed to suicide gank an Hulk in hisec,or ninja salvage mission? same for empire wars,its not done in 30man gangs :) i would join Factional Warfare tbh,did you tried it? Seconding this, plenty of people to be around in FW and nobody to tell you that you can't pirate. (Maybe some will, but who gives a crap?) Many FW corps allow and encourage pirating anyway. It's pretty much like being in an alliance, but nobody can tell you what to do or kick you out. (Unless you shoot enough blues. ) Come check it out, Amarr/Minmatar is fairly active and also right next to Amamake. It was basically designed for newbies and misfits.
Solra Wolfe GunStars	Posted - 2010.09.21 11:15:00 - [51] The Bastards My Loot Your Tears Why don't you try these links? They are people dedicated to ninja salvaging, and general ass-hattery.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [GNSTR] GO CANADA!
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.09.21 11:42:00 - [52] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 20/09/2010 23:36:53 Originally by: Eto Tekai This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Ill start off with this..I wouldnt want em either. There is a big difference between what ccp calls a griefer..and what really is a griefer.All the things like ganking..ninja salvaging and what not are a form of griefing.They all have one thing in common..messing with people who dont want to be messed with.It shows a type of character in that person..that many want nothing to do with.People with a need for tears.Believe it or notthere are people who just want to enjoy the game.Not saying they dont want to pvp..but they like a competition and not lameness.Ganking a hulk..as funny as it may be earns you no cool points at all.Unloading 5 ravens on a single ship..earns you no cool points either.(Note that some do this for isk..and thats ok)but it takes no skill at all.Scanning takes a bit of effort to do..sure,but its also done mostly for the "tears"and to ruin peoples missions.Nothing wrong with any of this cuz it puts a little danger in eve..but dont cry when said carebears leave the nest and start pvping,and want nothing to do with theses types. Take the bad guy path and you got to be ready to be rejected by alot of people.Im not knocking all these people..allot of em are cool guys.But doing these things doesnt earn you any trust other than with your own kind.Even they will sleep with one eye open lol. Edit:youll end up with some trash like this in your corp Linkage Pretty much nailed it, plenty of people don't want to deal with the kind of activities the OP enjoys and thinks/thought all PVP'ers enjoy. I'll add that many of the corporations that don't want those people also might want members they can feel will 'behave' doing griefer BS can bring on unwanted wars/disputes if/when the 'wrong' person gets hit, they might want to choose their own battles rather than get drawn into some epeen/griefer BS or get targeted by some other anti-pirate corp because their members behave like griefers. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
Sully Tude	Posted - 2010.09.21 11:42:00 - [53] OP: STFU. Everyone else: Stop feeding him. This is just a whine thread with no coherant thought put into it.
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.21 11:45:00 - [54] all the fun is to be had in low sec - high sec ganking if youre sec status can take it oh and of course wormhole divebombing theres a lot of targets that have slipped into wh space if u can probe or find a corp with a decent prober and it suits go nuts.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.09.21 11:49:00 - [55] I don't let carebears in my corp and still no one wants to join. lol sniffs under arms click here
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.21 12:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Eto Tekai I assume by your attempted de-railment that you guys infact have successful roaming pvp corporations of more then 12 people and do not have a pos? If so awesome, what exactly do you do, and your members do not find it bad that you don't own a pos? Having been on the receiving end of several high sec wardec in high sec in the last months I would say that the 12 man corp (plus RR alts) is about the optimal size. If your composition is right you get all of the corp members logged in at the same time (as the corp get larger it become increasing more difficult) and can easily gang up members of a fairly larger not focused corp. Increasing the size beyond that point don't seem to allow larger gangs unless your corp get very large. A POS for a wardeccin/griefing corp is mostly a negative thing as it will give a target for the enemy when you are not on line. Most "carebear" corps would have a easier time gathering a fleet to do some POS bashing that one to case some member of your corp. If you really want a POS start a alt corp where your alts and the alts of the other corp members will do only research.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.21 13:14:00 - [57] Quote: Edit: darn it, posted on alt again. Seems kind of lame to have a corporation and not have a base of operations with lab capability and in-space defensive safespot during wardecs. Shouldn't every real corp have a flag? - Have the POS in low sec - Have an alts corp, where people can carebear at a POS with no immediate wardec danger. I have been in both types of corp and both work. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.21 13:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Liang Nuren I've mostly seen that in 0.0 and high sec war dec corps. 0.0 peeps want you out in 0.0 defending their space, and high sec peeps realize that you prolly can't get into high sec. I stopped caring a long time ago, because any corp that says "no piracy" will almost certainly end up booting me out. That or they'll get booted out of their alliance... depending. -Liang Indeed. I find it best to make your own corp and wreck havoc as you please. Yarr! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
My Postman	Posted - 2010.09.21 14:24:00 - [59] I¦ll help you out to get decent corp. 1) Go to recruitment forum. 2) Make thread like "Ahat is searching for ahat corp". 3) Make sure they understand you are a "elitist pvper" by 4) Telling them how good you are in can flipping 5) Telling them how good you are in griefing generally. 6) Telling them how many mining barges you¦ve killed 7) Telling them that you are the state of the art in ninja salvaging. 8) Telling them how many damsels you have stolen. 9) Telling them how may noob ships you killed in noob systems. 10) Await answers. 11) ????? 12) Profit Hope this helps.
Eto LabOne	Posted - 2010.09.21 14:41:00 - [60] Edited by: Eto LabOne on 21/09/2010 14:43:11 Quote: 1) Go to recruitment forum. 2) Make thread like "Ahat is searching for ahat corp". 3) Make sure they understand you are a "elitist pvper" by 4) Telling them how good you are in can flipping 5) Telling them how good you are in griefing generally. 6) Telling them how many mining barges you¦ve killed 7) Telling them that you are the state of the art in ninja salvaging. 8) Telling them how many damsels you have stolen. 9) Telling them how may noob ships you killed in noob systems. 10) Await answers. 11) ????? 12) Profit And I am the one being called dense? Just becuase I like doing the above things, Does not mean that I do not enjoy group pvp in either a BC or a T2 cruiser / fast tackle ect. You are not giving me enough credit. Look eto tekai up on eve-kill, I would have even more that list but I've spent the last few months flying guardian and not getting on killmails. I did make a post in the recruitment forums a few weeks ago, and everyone that responded or messaged me didn't do any 12+ person roaming. They either all carebear in 0.0 and gatecamp the entrence, or get 300 people together for a structure bash. These are not the things I am looking for. I am looking for a group to pvp and have a good time with, that is based out of highsec, that doesnt give a damn what I do in fear of wardec's. For those of you calling suside ganking ect. no skill... Who cares if it is no skill.. it is fun! I do plenty of things that require skill, Look at my duelbox wormhole kills or my suside bomber tackles that got my corps lots of kills as I enjoy being a forward scout. These are kills that require skill, being prepared, patient or listening to FCs. Seems that a lot of the trolls that have been posting the in this page did not read the thread =/ I guess creating a dissussion thread on the forums is considered whining.. Anyway thanks for all the legitimate replys. It looks like I will not find what I am looking for, which is a shame. By all accounts it looks like I do have to live in 0.0 in order to get roaming gangs, Lets hope I can find one that is willing to leave their home system defense fleets =/
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.09.21 14:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Eto Tekai Edited by: Eto Tekai on 20/09/2010 21:27:14 Quote: insert long post about how great random corp is, Recruiting PVP Pilots! Pirates, Griefers ect. need NOT apply! This seems to be such a common thing for people to add to their recruitment posts. This honestly to me, makes no sense. I can understand you not wanting corp theives, but there are a lot of honest players who will not take your stuff , but want to play this game to suside gank, kill people in lowsec, Ninja loot missions in hopes of retalition, and a slew of other activities that these corps do not want. They need to realize that most PVP pilots, protect and defend in times of war, enjoy doing these things? Who in their right mind would want to join a corp like this if they are into PVP. Just by reading these types posts makes me want to war-dec them I know for a fact that you will be easy kills. "Pirate" style activities are huge part of this game and they need to just deal with it and allow your corp mates to have fun in the game any way they feel like it. Filing this under : "You don't play the game my way so you suck." heading in the circular file (aka. the trash bin). Syn Callibri Director Fleet Ops, 21st Eridani Lighthorse Keeper of the Blood Pact
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.09.21 15:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Eto LabOne And I am the one being called dense? Just becuase I like doing the above things, Does not mean that I do not enjoy group pvp in either a BC or a T2 cruiser / fast tackle ect. You are not giving me enough credit. Look eto tekai up on eve-kill, I would have even more that list but I've spent the last few months flying guardian and not getting on killmails. I did make a post in the recruitment forums a few weeks ago, and everyone that responded or messaged me didn't do any 12+ person roaming. They either all carebear in 0.0 and gatecamp the entrence, or get 300 people together for a structure bash. These are not the things I am looking for. I am looking for a group to pvp and have a good time with, that is based out of highsec, that doesnt give a damn what I do in fear of wardec's. For those of you calling suside ganking ect. no skill... Who cares if it is no skill.. it is fun! I do plenty of things that require skill, Look at my duelbox wormhole kills or my suside bomber tackles that got my corps lots of kills as I enjoy being a forward scout. These are kills that require skill, being prepared, patient or listening to FCs. Seems that a lot of the trolls that have been posting the in this page did not read the thread =/ I guess creating a dissussion thread on the forums is considered whining.. Anyway thanks for all the legitimate replys. It looks like I will not find what I am looking for, which is a shame. By all accounts it looks like I do have to live in 0.0 in order to get roaming gangs, Lets hope I can find one that is willing to leave their home system defense fleets =/ I think you got your answer 10 times.What you do in this game is frowned upon by most-makes it hard to find a corp.live with it or make a new character.
Liz Laser Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.21 17:18:00 - [63] didn't read all the replies, this is just in respone to the OP... I'm pretty sure the CEOs of corps have a good idea of what PvPers like. Even if they are all wrong and YOU are right, why would you need your main character to grief/pirate? A hell of a lot of griefing/pirating gets done with characters using only a few weeks of skills. Ever hear of a Rifter? ;-) Having alts means you can hang out with the bad kids, and still go to Sunday School.... and having two accounts means you can do both at the same time. :-)

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